Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 No, your missing the point. Its not about new stuff!!! Its about making the game enjoyable. I dont care how hard the game is, but it should be difficult because the controls are straight out of medival times. Duke Nukem had similar key mappings. Games shouldnt be difficult because of poor design. /edit Developers will 'Next-Gen' you till your wallets empty /edit Other than the Edited part, that had nothing to do with what I said, which means You're missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado Rex Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 ...they wont fix things like the worst control configuration you can imagine... Personally, I prefer GTA controls over many other games I've played ~ Proud Supporter of the Child's Play Charity! | GTANET + Child's Play ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 Other than the Edited part, that had nothing to do with what I said, which means You're missing the point. Dude, it doesnt take next-gen stuff to put decent thought into anything. Rockstar could have improved many small things, but they just dont care, the bulk of their money came from Sony. Why do you think it took so long for the PC ver to come out? It was last! Hello! They arnt going to improve the game, they have your money. And from the sound of it, you will watch the TV ads and run out and buy the next. Good luck /edit Thats cool Rex, I'm glad that wasnt an issue with you. For many however, it is. /edt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 That's not what I meant. I see your point, about the last three being similar, but that is only because they had maxed out what the PS2 could do, and that with the PS3 or what ever, they will be able to create a new game engine. It's not an issue of them being lazy, it's an issue of them being restrained to a crappy console. As for controls, since you play PC you should be able to re-map them, or buy a gamepad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 As far as performance goes, any TRUE gamer knows that the minimum requirements should always be surpassed for any respectable framerates and even the recommended are usually a bit low. 512 is a ridiculously low amount of ram even for RD for any real gamer anyway. Not true (if you want to pretend to be a real gamer) minimum: The minimum requirements, meaning, you will get the minimum accetable performance with this hardware. Recommended: What the manufacturer says you should have if you want good performance. Most games with actually run on much, much lower than the minimum requirements, but at 5 frames a sec, dont say they didnt warn you. I would guess a real gamer would know that. But heck I've only been playing video games for 25 years. As far as '512 is a ridiculously low amount of ram' Read the ReadMe! 256 Minimum 384 Recommended I have %25 more than the recommended so dont bash half a gig of RAM. Alot more intense games coming out now only need half a gig. and if the game needs more, am I supposed to be psychic? Furthermore, yeah, alot of my post is opinionated. That doesn't make it untrue, and you dont have to bash people that might agree with my opinion. Lock this thread? Why? cause you dont agree? I dont see posts in 'SA is the greatist game ever' threads saying 'lock this thread' Peace. Yeah, I do agree that games will run on, and you can get by with, the minimum requirements, but you are complaining about the performance and you don't have your computer set up accordingly. I stand by my belief that the game is never really set up to run like a dream on recommended requirements. Contest if you must. This isn't just a theory, I've proved it in practice and read it in numerous gaming magazines. I also never said they WOULDN'T run a system below minimum. As far as performance goes, any TRUE gamer knows that the minimum requirements should always be surpassed for any respectable framerates and even the recommended are usually a bit low. Basically you repeated me with a few added details. Since in that, we basically said the same thing, I guess I should take it as an honor that you bestowed the real gamer title upon me, however, I don't believe your experience with the Tandy Commodore and various Atari gaming systems really gives you any ground in this arguement. On the other hand, people who started off with those don't usually take fully immersive 3-D games for granted. And I also stand by my opinion that 512 is ridiculously low for someone who is attacking the game performance. Turning off background programs with services.msc can only go so far. In closing, I'd like to say that, yes, just because you give your opinion doesn't make it wrong, but don't accuse us of not tackling the issue when as far as we're concerned, some of the problems don't exist. Me having an opinion opposing yours doesn't make me wrong either. For a 25+ year old gamer I think you should show better judgement than you have today. Why open a topic, here, that you KNOW is going to UPSET some members and, all the while, stay on when you talked about leaving. Don't you have something better to do, better games to play, lesser games to critique on other forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 That's not what I meant. I see your point, about the last three being similar, but that is only because they had maxed out what the PS2 could do, and that with the PS3 or what ever, they will be able to create a new game engine. It's not an issue of them being lazy, it's an issue of them being restrained to a crappy console. As for controls, since you play PC you should be able to re-map them, or buy a gamepad. I'm not trying to get in a pissing match, you seem pretty cool. But GTA was originally a PC game. So I would say if they want to keep up with the PC market they shouldnt be pumpin it to the PC market like they are. Like its new and innovated. If peeps want to keep buying junksoles, go for it. not me. Most of the non performance things that need fixing have NOTHING to do with hardware, they are just stupid, and thoughtless things. And come on, dont tell me you you feel like your playing the same missions over, and over, and over. Oh it was a mob theme, now its a ganster theme. If some people dont understand the difference, it ok. But its the same ol, kill this guy, pickup this package, blah, blah, blah. These are not things that need newer better hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Ok then what is YOUR idea of GTA? You seem to think you know what's wrong with the game series so come on what do they need to do to make the perfect GTA in your eyes? Your bitching about the controls is really stupid, set-up the right controls and its a dream to play maybe you should buy a gamepad and spend some time configuring it to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 And come on, dont tell me you you feel like your playing the same missions over, and over, and over. Oh it was a mob theme, now its a ganster theme. If some people dont understand the difference, it ok. But its the same ol, kill this guy, pickup this package, blah, blah, blah. These are not things that need newer better hardware. Like I said, I agree that the games are a little too similar, but that was because of Rockstars deal with Sony for exclusivity on each game for a while. The PS2 is a crap console. If Rockkstar had given exclusivity rights to pc companies, then I'm sure that the games would be better, but then PS2 owners would be dissappointed by how much worse R* had to make it to even run right. and about the misions being the same, if you don't like them, don't do them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 Yeah, I do agree that games will run on, and you can get by with, the minimum requirements, but you are complaining about the performance and you don't have your computer set up accordingly. I stand by my belief that the game is never really set up to run like a dream on recommended requirements. Contest if you must. This isn't just a theory, I've proved it in practice and read it in numerous gaming magazines. I also never said they WOULDN'T run a system below minimum. As far as performance goes, any TRUE gamer knows that the minimum requirements should always be surpassed for any respectable framerates and even the recommended are usually a bit low. Basically you repeated me with a few added details. Since in that, we basically said the same thing, I guess I should take it as an honor that you bestowed the real gamer title upon me, however, I don't believe your experience with the Tandy Commodore and various Atari gaming systems really gives you any ground in this arguement. On the other hand, people who started off with those don't usually take fully immersive 3-D games for granted. And I also stand by my opinion that 512 is ridiculously low for someone who is attacking the game performance. Turning off background programs with services.msc can only go so far. In closing, I'd like to say that, yes, just because you give your opinion doesn't make it wrong, but don't accuse us of not tackling the issue when as far as we're concerned, some of the problems don't exist. Me having an opinion opposing yours doesn't make me wrong either. For a 25+ year old gamer I think you should show better judgement than you have today. Why open a topic, here, that you KNOW is going to UPSET some members and, all the while, stay on when you talked about leaving. Don't you have something better to do, better games to play, lesser games to critique on other forums. Listen carfully: minimum: :minimum acceptable Reccomended: Good performance Read the readme. 512 is recommended for alot more intensive games than this. As far as true Gamer: this is really OT, and very subjective. I've been playing video game since 1980, had over 35 different computer models. from 80988 to p4. I played games all through the 80', 90, to present. Who cares? If your a true gamer, good for you, not for me to judge, but know this, I have played literally thousands of games. And yes I do think that make a difference to someone who never touched a computer until 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (ps: I thought you were out like Michael Jackson's career?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 I understand what minimum means, but most people - especially veteran gamers like yourself - know that recommended ANYTHING is not a good testbed for a game if your going to make some of the radical comments that you have. Anybody you ask will tell you that. And actually you do have me beat, I played my first first person shooter in 1989 so I've been doing this a little while, too. Though I do respect the 9 years you have on me. I haven't counted my computers or my games, but I am by no means a noob to computer gaming, as you seem to enjoy infering. I think you should spend more time answering GTAFreak's comment than mine, if you do that, you will have my complete respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelrage Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 P4 2.0 (Willamette)512MB RDRAM 800Mhz running @ 400Mhz (system bus) lol....welcome to 1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Well I'll give his RDRAM a but I'm not all that impressed with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backinblack1190 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 I agree with thedude and most everyone else here. We dont need you to come on here and tell us how much you hate Rockstar. Keep it two yourself. Did you sign up on this board just to do that. Who cares if one person doesnt like it its one of the best selling franchises in video games. Keep the hate to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 Well, I have three flight controllers, two steering wheels, and three gamepads. For one thingthe game only supports one game controller, I'll admit, this wouldt take some work, BUT, often the game wants you to preform precise actions either on foot, driving, or flying. therefore, I think its only fair that you have a fair opportunity to do these things without being hindered by control limitations. I would like to use a flight controller for flight, analog axis ARE NOT MAPPABLE as far as I can tell. They should be. I would like to use a wheel for driving, once again, analog axis ARE NOT MAPPABLE, and I would like to use either the mouse/keyboard, or joypad for on foot. Now that said, except for remapping analog axis most can be (sort of) done, but it isnt reasonable to remap/reset/restart the game or whatever just so I can drive across town with a steering wheel, and get out remap/reset/restart to use a gamepad, jump in a plane/heli remap/reset/restart to use a joystick. Now I know some of that is asking alot, but mapping an analog axis IS NOT, and is just one of the many problems with the controls. And the controls arnt the only issue. Geeze wake up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (ps: I thought you were out like Michael Jackson's career?) Hey, I know that kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 I understand what minimum means, but most people - especially veteran gamers like yourself - know that recommended ANYTHING is not a good testbed for a game if your going to make some of the radical comments that you have. Anybody you ask will tell you that. And actually you do have me beat, I played my first first person shooter in 1989 so I've been doing this a little while, too. Though I do respect the 9 years you have on me. I haven't counted my computers or my games, but I am by no means a noob to computer gaming, as you seem to enjoy infering. I think you should spend more time answering GTAFreak's comment than mine, if you do that, you will have my complete respect. No, no, I dont even know how we got on that 'how long (someone) has been gaming'. IMHO If you have even have 5 years of gaming you probably have a decent opinion on games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 (ps: I thought you were out like Michael Jackson's career?) Hey, I know that kid! cute pic of you martini call my when you turn 18 *kiss* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 See this is what people here, including me, will tolerate. You might want to do a search in the editing section. I believe somebody just moded something that will allow it. I agree it should have been in the game though. I'm not sure but you might want to look in Editing. Give us some more of the specific problems that might be fixable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 I understand what minimum means, but most people - especially veteran gamers like yourself - know that recommended ANYTHING is not a good testbed for a game if your going to make some of the radical comments that you have. Anybody you ask will tell you that. And actually you do have me beat, I played my first first person shooter in 1989 so I've been doing this a little while, too. Though I do respect the 9 years you have on me. I haven't counted my computers or my games, but I am by no means a noob to computer gaming, as you seem to enjoy infering. I think you should spend more time answering GTAFreak's comment than mine, if you do that, you will have my complete respect. No, no, I dont even know how we got on that 'how long (someone) has been gaming'. IMHO If you have even have 5 years of gaming you probably have a decent opinion on games. I didn't really mean to get into that, but, since I don't agree with you on much, I'm trying to at least meet you halfway on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (ps: I thought you were out like Michael Jackson's career?) Hey, I know that kid! cute pic of you martini call my when you turn 18 *kiss* What? That made no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 And the controls arnt the only issue. Geeze wake up No you need to wake-up, look around and see how many people are emjoying this game without bitching about how horrible it is. Once again you failed to answer my question of what you think needs to be in GTA to make it perfect for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 Well I'll give his RDRAM a but I'm not all that impressed with the rest. funny most new ram isnt that much over 400Mhz, and read up, system bus is hardly a bottleneck at that speed. Think you got caught up in a computer ad that has you thinkin you need things you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Then why did you buy it. Yeah, DDR is up to that speed, nearly, but mine is 266. But if you don't want the cookie, I'll take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt.1911 Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 And the controls arnt the only issue. Geeze wake up No you need to wake-up, look around and see how many people are emjoying this game without bitching about how horrible it is. Once again you failed to answer my question of what you think needs to be in GTA to make it perfect for you? I can't really say 'what would be perfect' who knows perfection?, but I can say what wouldnt be crappy. And for those of you who cant seem to reand and comprehend, I dont hate Rockstar, I dont hate GTA, I do hate Chrysler, but I wont be running to the store to plop dow $50 for the next GTA or rackstar title. Peace, bedtime for us 12 year olds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) I'm not going to be offensive as long as you look at problems objectively instead of just blasting the game. People here can help on a lot of it, and mods are what many of the people here wait for when playing the game. Most of us have beat the storyline already and are waiting for the various modding tools to come out. We can't help that you don't like the game though. The only thing that really made people mad here is that you'd already made up your mind that you didn't like the game but you still posted. Why burden a helpful community with something like that when theres nothing we can do to help. Do you see what I'm saying here Edited June 25, 2005 by tommygun1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Racing Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Again, very well put. You people are on a roll today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 So your going to leave? I mean you seem to enjoy trying to get people to agree with you even though its your opinion that only you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Done yet, Colt? Or do I need to break out the kleenex? Your squabbles have jumped from being related to the gameplay, to being related to technical issues, to being related to problems with the game's controls. All you've done is bitch about the game and how much it sucks. We're not Rockstar Customer Support. We're not here to listen to people prattle on about why they can't stand San Andreas in one way or another. So I suggest you take a few deep breaths, close your eyes, and go do something else before you give yourself an aneurysm. Oh, and just for the fun of it: As far as true Gamer: this is really OT, and very subjective. I've been playing video game since 1980, had over 35 different computer models. from 80988 to p4. I played games all through the 80', 90, to present. Who cares? If your a true gamer, good for you, not for me to judge, but know this, I have played literally thousands of games. And yes I do think that make a difference to someone who never touched a computer until 2 years ago. Peace, bedtime for us 12 year olds Sleep tite, shnookums. I'll see to it that your thread does the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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