SIP YEK NOD Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Part 1. Holden/HSV Since when is it cool to copy? Mitsubishi lancer + pick-up = lose Styling doesnt get more bland than a simple round vehicle once again, a little origonality in the styling please Acura RSX + pick-up = double lose it seems they made their axles too long, and rather than shortening the axles, they widened the body, but only around the wheels. the f*ck? i repeat myself, the f*ck? Ladies and gentlemen, we have an ugliest ass of the year award. so we go from bland to just plain gaudy. do aussie designers not know there is something in between? Crime against nature something that practical should not be that ugly. are aussies alergic to chrome? really, would it hurt to put something shiny on the vehicle? 0.5/10 for origionality Chevy impala + caddilac = triple lose They took one average car design, and one nice car design, and made one ugly car design. that is skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Lee Chong Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 (edited) What are you supposed to do with this? I've noticed these are like the 'in' cars of Europe, aswell. OH, AND YOU TOTALLY FORGOT FORD. Honestly, this thing is smaller than a Chevrolet S-10, and that truck had no purpose at all. What the f*ck are you going to do with this thing? sh*t, buy yourself a real truck/car. This is the same model as above, but in a 'super' model. What the f*ck? If it couldn't get any more retarded, this is a 'tornado' model, lol. Edited June 24, 2005 by Chunky Lee Chong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutthroat Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I don't know.. I kind of like that.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 A cadillac catera is our damn Omega. copycats... Signature soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Speed Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Crime against nature something that practical should not be that ugly. are aussies alergic to chrome? really, would it hurt to put something shiny on the vehicle? why the f*ck would anyone put chrome on a small pick up like that. theyre not american. sick of all the chrome in the US anyways, destroying the prosches bmws and mercedes with all the chrome. Most of it is just too much. A lil is ok, but its too much. Germans do all that work so the americans can put their chrome rims on it.....argh cmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Lee Chong Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 A cadillac catera is our damn Omega. copycats... Except more luxurious. Cadillac Omega? Wouldn't sound good. Besides, it was a space filler considering that Cadillac didn't have a medium-size sedan, and all of the other GM subsities did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalpura Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Just to point out, all Holden's aren't Australian designed. Most of them are just rebadged Opels, and other GMs. So if you're thinking they copied, they didn't; they bought the design. I think the only Australian designed ones were the Commodore, Monaro and Statesman. And that first one, the four door red ute doesn't look that much like a Lancer. But it does look kind of similar to the new Ford Falcon utes (which are Australian designed too). Ford and Holden Australia seem to have a going thing of trying to top one another constantly, and making the vehicles very similar along the way. I'd personally go for the Ford ones though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) So, what you decided to pay out concept cars (2 and 3 are). Meh, whatever. Yes, most are valid points, but our cars are slightly more europen based, but the looks are different. I mean as in, they are not 100 metres long. And sip, the WL/WK Statesman isn't the best design. The WH Statesman is much better. So, I guess you took my topic as an attack to all American cars, aye? Edited June 25, 2005 by Cran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Can I strangle you Sip? No offense but your thoughts are typical of a yank, anything that has a tray in the back has to be a truck that's as wide as a bus and 100 feet long with plenty of chrome. I am sorry but we dont' need huge trucklike vehicles here in Australia we need utilities with the power and handling of a sedan but the functionality of carrying stuff in the back. Most of our current generation Holden's are actually just restyled and re-badged european cars like the Omega or some other Opel/Vauxhall variant. While I don't love the designs I certainly don't think they are that bad and worthy of being a "crime against vehicle design". The HSV Avalanche hardly looks like a lancer and its a ute not some yanky "pick-up". Its a 4-wheel drive, 4 door utility which is perfect for people on holiday who need to transport more then 2 people and all their gear. Say what you want but I like it, not just because it looks good but is functional too. The SST(the blue ute) is just a concept that never made it to production, so it really doens't count, same goes for that pink monster which I find extremly ugly and a slap in the face for the original Torana so I agree but that's because they are concepts and not real models. @CLC - I wouldn't expect a commerical vehicle to look great so the Combo is really a workhorse and nothing more, I own the generation before (SD Combo) and while it ain't that much better looking then the new one its purpose while not commercial its important to me for what I need it for. I don't see what's so wrong with those Ford utes, just because they aren't big, wide and extremly heavy like the yank tanks that seem to be slowly making their way onto our roads. I guess our designs are slightly different to what your used to and that's fine I guess. I could find several american and european cars which defy logic and design standards so its all a matter of opinion. If you guys want to see some real Australian designs then go back to pre 1980 where our fully designed vehicles lay like the Kingswood, Monaro, Torana, Gemini, Falcon GT, Cobra etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gta Gamer. Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Lol, it's funny because both Holden and Ford Australia are subsidiaries of American companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 A real Australian car company is Leyland, but we all know they didn't do so good lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraftLandia Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 A real Australian car company is Leyland, but we all know they didn't do so good lol Leyland is a british company that had a crack at the aussie market during the 70's. They made crappy low quality/ill-handling cars and failed as a result (I love P76's mind you). Holden was actually its own company long before GM bought them ought. Sip, you have no taste. You managed to find the ugliest Aussie cars possible (bar the commodore ute and possibly avalanche) and have attacked us as a result. Here are some good Aussie cars: HSV Grange: This is the HSV Grange. Its pretty much the most luxurious aussie car you can buy. Its a Holden Caprice, given the HSV treatment. It runs the 6.0l V8. HSV Clubsport: This is the HSV Clubsport. Its the entry level aussie spots sedan. Its got most of the toys and runs a powerfull 6.0l V8 Holden Commodore SS: This is the Holden Commodore SS. Its your average family car. They come with the option of a 3.6l all alloy V6 or the 5.7l V8. Holden Commodore Ute: This is commodore ute. No one in Australia needs a gigantic, chrome monster that drinks a litre of fuel on turning to key. Partly due to high petrol prices, partly due to expensive insurance premiums but mostly due to common sense. A moster of a car does not prove how big your dick is. Sorry. And lets not forget the classics: 1971 Holden Kingswood: These are great cars. I own two myself. Holden Torana GTR XU1: Seventies sports car screamer, run a 186ci straight six with tripple sidedraught carbs of either the webber, dellorto or SU type. They dominated racing in their day. Ford Falcon GHTO Phase 3: Aussie muscle cars never came much better than this. 'nuff said. Valiant S series: Just looks awesome. I could go on, but I'm tired, I can't be f*cked and I know that no matter what I do your opinion and bad taste will remain the same. Good Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 No one in Australia needs a gigantic, chrome monster that drinks a litre of fuel on turning to key. Partly due to high petrol prices, partly due to expensive insurance premiums but mostly due to common sense. A moster of a car does not prove how big your dick is. Sorry. That's what i've been trying to say. No one really cares how much room you can take up on the road, seriously. It's like you guys are all trying to compensate for something Just because it's not huge and doesn't have chrome on it, doesn't mean it's not practical. Oh, the SS doesn't come with an option for the V6, and thats the VY you've got there. That was with the old ecotec 3.8. Oh, and just if your womdering, the 6.0l V8 in all the HSV's except the AWD versions it 297kW or 400HP if you want. Same engine in the new corvette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbosax05 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 @Richard, Cran went after American cars first, and choose the some of the ugliest from us, so dont bitch at Sip, bitch at cran he started all of this. Now to what you and cran said Im 100% not compensatin for nothing, i dont have a monster of a vehicle, i have a plain jane 1995 Ford taurus, before it went into the 'jellybean' shape. its not a 'monster' it takes up the same room as a toyota corolla, it might not get the same mileage, but for a 3L V6 with 90K on it, 22-25 mpg is not bad, and that is with mixed driving, and my insurance went down becuase this car has an actual frame, unlike my first car. oh and it has only chrome going around the windows a 'monster' as u put it could b my moms 97 Ford E-150 with a Triton V8, which also has about 95K on it, and it gets similar mileage to the Taurus. and insurance is not bad on it either. and the only chrome is on the part of the grille and bumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Lee Chong Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Sip, you have no taste. You managed to find the ugliest Aussie cars possible (bar the commodore ute and possibly avalanche) and have attacked us as a result. Here are some good Aussie cars: Eh, Cran. has no taste either. Cran. managed to find the ugliest American cars possible (bar the GTO and the Monte Carlo) and has attacked us as a result. Here are some good American cars: This is the Cadillac XLR-V. It uses a supercharged LS2 V8. This is the C6 Z06. Description is not neccessary. This is a Trailblazer SS. With the same engine used as all of your HSV models, it has the same performance and drinks the same ammount of gas and it's not even a full-size SUV. The Silverado SS with the same engine in your Ute SS. The only difference is that our truck is bigger, nicer and actually functions as a truck. Cadillac CTS-V. With the LS2 V8, it can take on Clubsport and/or Commodore and win. STS-V. Same size as your Grange but a thousand times better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutthroat Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Cadillac CTS-V. With the LS2 V8, it can take on Clubsport and/or Commodore and win. Ha, I was just watching a clip of a CTS-V drifting. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevy Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Is it me, or can you even tell the difference between the STS and the CTS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Lee Chong Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) From the side there's quite a difference in length. edit - Let's show some arrogance from the Australian point of view. American cars are too weak to survive in our harsh climates, that's why Aussie cars > American cars. Well, obviously in a stock form imported direct from the states they're not going to survive in the climates because they weren't made for the climates. However, if you modify the engine then it can survive in the australian climate and be on-par with the Australian made cars. To be honest, that was one of the most retarded, shallow-minded and thoughtless thing I've ever read. But, let's compare your Australian cars to the American climate. Why the f*ck would we need a car that is built to last in weather up to 150F? We don't, especially not modern El Camino's. Yeah. We have radiators. Our engines an' sh*t are configured specially for our climates an' stuff. 'Cause Aussieland is all extreme an' stuff. Don't tell sip you said that, becuase he'll talk about the desert and stuff. But the fact is, American cars aren't really made to last. @CLC I agree, but still I like them. It wouln't hurt for more verity(le sp) in the rande up though Oh no, SIP the big bad monster is going to eat you. Oh my, Australian cars have radiators?! So do American cars! Infact, most cars around the world have radiators! Woo. American cars are made to last in the conditions that they were designed to run in. (Normal cities, highways, going to the mall, picking up the kids from soccer practice, etc, etc.) Obviously, they're not going to run in the Sahara as Aussie cars would, because there's no place in the union that has the climate like Australia and/or the Sahara. Verityle? Is that a word? No, it's not. Let's make up words because we're too ignorant to get a proper point across. No, no. I mean as he'll say that american cars are so cool that they can widthstand the desert. IT MUST BE COZ THEY TEST3D EM IN THA DESERT. Where the f*ck did that come from? Are you so ignorant and arrogant that you have to start saying retarded things (on top of your made up words). And yes, American cars could be able to withstand the desert if properly modified. (Which, might I add, who has cars in the Middle east? America or Australia? Whose cars are used for the military, even the Australian military?) @Mikal - I was joking about the radiator thing. What we're saying, is that our cars are better for what we need them for. Remove whatever it is that seems to have been wedged up your arse lately. Please. Oh, lol. Radiator jokes are so funny. And as I've said before, no f*cking sh*t Australian cars are better suited for Australian turf. Go figure. Whose cars are better on U.S. roads? Australian or American? Oh, and what has been wedged up my ass are the retarded comments, ignorance and arrogance you and Cran. have towards the american cars. Closing comment - OH LOL, AMERICA IS BETTER THAN AUSTRALIA. Edited June 25, 2005 by Chunky Lee Chong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIP YEK NOD Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 Sip, you have no taste. You managed to find the ugliest Aussie cars possible (bar the commodore ute and possibly avalanche) and have attacked us as a result. Here are some good Aussie cars: This topic is a direct response to cran's "american car designers" topic in which he did the same. there are some aussie cars i like. for example, the mkII GT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 From the side there's quite a difference in length. edit - Let's show some arrogance from the Australian point of view. American cars are too weak to survive in our harsh climates, that's why Aussie cars > American cars. Well, obviously in a stock form imported direct from the states they're not going to survive in the climates because they weren't made for the climates. However, if you modify the engine then it can survive in the australian climate and be on-par with the Australian made cars. To be honest, that was one of the most retarded, shallow-minded and thoughtless thing I've ever read. But, let's compare your Australian cars to the American climate. Why the f*ck would we need a car that is built to last in weather up to 150F? We don't, especially not modern El Camino's. Yeah. We have radiators. Our engines an' sh*t are configured specially for our climates an' stuff. 'Cause Aussieland is all extreme an' stuff. Don't tell sip you said that, becuase he'll talk about the desert and stuff. But the fact is, American cars aren't really made to last. @CLC I agree, but still I like them. It wouln't hurt for more verity(le sp) in the rande up though Oh no, SIP the big bad monster is going to eat you. Oh my, Australian cars have radiators?! So do American cars! Infact, most cars around the world have radiators! Woo. American cars are made to last in the conditions that they were designed to run in. (Normal cities, highways, going to the mall, picking up the kids from soccer practice, etc, etc.) Obviously, they're not going to run in the Sahara as Aussie cars would, because there's no place in the union that has the climate like Australia and/or the Sahara. Verityle? Is that a word? No, it's not. Let's make up words because we're too ignorant to get a proper point across. No, no. I mean as he'll say that american cars are so cool that they can widthstand the desert. IT MUST BE COZ THEY TEST3D EM IN THA DESERT. Where the f*ck did that come from? Are you so ignorant and arrogant that you have to start saying retarded things (on top of your made up words). And yes, American cars could be able to withstand the desert if properly modified. (Which, might I add, who has cars in the Middle east? America or Australia? Whose cars are used for the military, even the Australian military?) @Mikal - I was joking about the radiator thing. What we're saying, is that our cars are better for what we need them for. Remove whatever it is that seems to have been wedged up your arse lately. Please. Oh, lol. Radiator jokes are so funny. And as I've said before, no f*cking sh*t Australian cars are better suited for Australian turf. Go figure. Whose cars are better on U.S. roads? Australian or American? Oh, and what has been wedged up my ass are the retarded comments, ignorance and arrogance you and Cran. have towards the american cars. Closing comment - OH LOL, AMERICA IS BETTER THAN AUSTRALIA. Yes, I was an idiot to say those things. Oh, I meant to say Verity, i'm just to lazy to spell becuase i'm an idiot. Yeah, sip is going to eat me And besides, I know that American cars can widthstand high temperatures. Pretty much every car can. I just made that topic just to bring some discussion into this topic. I guess I was just an idiot to make it. I guess that's why I get declined from gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Designers from Europe sh*t all over everyone, so meh Jayzamann runs away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Lets just have a little respect for both countries here guys, I know both these topcs were extremly lop-sided. Both countries heck all countries have their good and bad as well as differeing opinions. My only real beef is the way you guys are saying that the Aussie Ute isn't big enough, well no sh*t we don't need big vehicles that tower over the road. Utes are just as versitile as your Pick-up trucks so its just a difference in taste and needs. I know the damand of bigger truck-like vehicles is rising in Australia with the Ford F-250 EXT Cab appearing more and more on our roads but utes will always have a place in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotsudaira Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Designers from Europe sh*t all over everyone, so meh Jayzamann runs away Like who? I don't like the outer designs of the more well-known Euro brands. Like Renault and Peugeot. Mercedes, BMW, Lambo, Ferrari and simliar brands, I like, but not the BMWs from before '95. @Mikal - Don't bring my sh*t here when I hadn't even f*cking posted here. I dislike lots of American cars because they're so f*cking big. "My car is so big, get out of my f*cking way, you little bastard" - can be used to describe general, stereotypical American attitude. For there to be a stereotype, there must be a number of people like that. American sports cars, I like. I prefer the more classic American cars, '68 Mustang, '72 Camaro and the like. I didn't come here to argue, I came to express my views. Don't snap at me for that. And if you see arrogance in me expressing my views.. Get some new contacts. By the way, our "trucks", as you call them, are not meant to function as "trucks". They're utility vehicles and are designed and used for that purpose(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Stop bitchin and go buy an 996 carrera 4S. f*ck you americans and Australian Omegas. Word. Signature soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAZEL Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Sip, you have no taste. You managed to find the ugliest Aussie cars possible (bar the commodore ute and possibly avalanche) and have attacked us as a result. Here are some good Aussie cars: This topic is a direct response to cran's "american car designers" topic in which he did the same. there are some aussie cars i like. for example, the mkII GT Wee. A HSV MKII GT playing with a Ford GT. But I bet you've had your turn with the car in GT4, too, eh? ~az Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Lee Chong Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 @Mikal - Don't bring my sh*t here when I hadn't even f*cking posted here. I dislike lots of American cars because they're so f*cking big. "My car is so big, get out of my f*cking way, you little bastard" - can be used to describe general, stereotypical American attitude. For there to be a stereotype, there must be a number of people like that. American sports cars, I like. I prefer the more classic American cars, '68 Mustang, '72 Camaro and the like. I didn't come here to argue, I came to express my views. Don't snap at me for that. And if you see arrogance in me expressing my views.. Get some new contacts. I'll take your sh*t where I feel it should be as I feel or do not feel like, mom. I don't care if you hadn't posted here, since I was using it for my argument. Good for you, you don't like the American cars because they're big. That's such a good argument for all the other bullsh*t you said. Oh, and here's the stereotypical view of any other country when looking at anything from America (Australia included) - "Oh god, it's american. It must be a piece of sh*t." Arrogance - American cars are too weak to survive in our harsh climates, that's why Aussie cars > American cars. Yeah. We have radiators. Our engines an' sh*t are configured specially for our climates an' stuff. 'Cause Aussieland is all extreme an' stuff. @Mikal - I was joking about the radiator thing. What we're saying, is that our cars are better for what we need them for. There's your arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotsudaira Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 (edited) Stop bitchin and go buy an 996 carrera 4S. f*ck you americans and Australian Omegas. Word. I can't afford that stuff man. If I could, I'd buy it no worries. Porsche's newer cars rock the f*ck out. Not really into their older models because they lack that line flow of the new Carrera. Edit: A joke is arrogance? I'm sorry for my attempt at humour, I bow to you, O Great Funny One. Edited June 26, 2005 by Kotsudaira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suction Testicle Man Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 I find any car design I grew up around to be beautiful. Thus is my passion for cars. For example: Cars I learnt the names of as a child, and see almost everyday mean nothing but home to me. The area I live in isn't fabulously rich, I don't see many expensive cars, and certainly not imports. When I do see something nice, it'll usually be a Ferrari or a Jag - so still only European. In closing, stfu Chunks (and give the arrogance bullsh*t a break, hippo) and everyone else stating the blindingly obvious (kot...); different cultures produce very different cars. I love everything British, because it's all I know in great detail. Many Brits also like old Aussie and American muscle, because they are similar in design to British 60s and 70s classics too. I think all post-80s cars in the US and Aussieland are abominations. It's a matter of opinion. So next person to decide one country is better than another based on their own taste will get OH LOL ASSRAPED If at first you don't succeed, you fail, and the test will be terminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotsudaira Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Cars I learnt the names of as a child, and see almost everyday mean nothing but home to me. The area I live in isn't fabulously rich, I don't see many expensive cars, and certainly not imports. When I do see something nice, it'll usually be a Ferrari or a Jag - so still only European. In closing, stfu Chunks (and give the arrogance bullsh*t a break, hippo) and everyone else stating the blindingly obvious (kot...); different cultures produce very different cars. I love everything British, because it's all I know in great detail. Many Brits also like old Aussie and American muscle, because they are similar in design to British 60s and 70s classics too. I think all post-80s cars in the US and Aussieland are abominations. I like the more expensive European cars, like Jag and Ferrari, I prefer Lamborghini to Ferrari though, not sure why. Maserati and Lotus are hawt too. I like old American muscle, the new Mustang GT is nice, but not quite back to how it should be. You already know I <3 Eleanor and any Shelby GT500, even if it's rusted to sh*t at the bottom of a lake. My favourite Aussie car is the HX Monaro. Limited edition, only 500 ever built I think. Every one of them came in a metallic maroon and gold... With honeycomb mags, called alloys now of course. One of the most beautiful things I ever saw.. I'm turning this thread into the Aussie Car Thread, okay? We're talking about our favourite Aussie cars an' stuff, instead of dissing our designers. Also, I think I <3 you Tom.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercedes-Benz Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Can we both flame on one countrys car company. Russians got some pretty ugly f*cking cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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