SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Alright, I met the minimum system requirements and surpassed them aswell. The game is what most people would consider to be unplayable. Why would they include my system in the requirements to play the game if the game is going to be unplayable? And I have the same problem as the other guy who can't set the resolution to anything higher than 8000x600, the game just crashes when I even try. Is this really what I paid for? Just to make it clear I have the game set to 640x480x16 draw distance to NOTHING, Visual FX quality to LOW, mip-mapping OFF, and yet I cannot even hit 20 FPS. Below are my specs. P4 1.8 GHZ 256 MB DDR PC2100 80 GIGABYTE 7200 RPM INTEL EXTREME GRAPHICS 64 MB NO SPYWARE, 1 PROGRAM STARTS AT BOOT (DISABLE TO PLAY) Thx for any help Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Joe Quimby Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 You need more RAM than 256, especially with an integrated graphics card. Those are flat out not good for gaming, (you should get a real video card) and I believe those types of cards use RAM from your system RAM too. Also did you turn off the Frame Limiter under the advanced options? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 I agree that I need more RAM and a better graphics card, but I am convinced that there is something more to this. Some people with 6800s even are reporting horrible slow down. I mean in Vice City (and I know this is a newer game) but in VC the frame rate that most resembled SA's was at 1024x768 with draw distance to max. I thought SA would do just fine stripped to it's bones at 640x480. As for the frame limiter, I have it off because the game tries to limit the FPS even lower so say I'm getting 17 FPS the game will limit me to like 15 FPS, or maybe even 10. The graphics hardly met my expectations, the only thing that has met my expectations and more is los santos, and hopefully las venturas when I get there. But like I said before I am convinced there is something more to this than a shortage of RAM and/or VRAM, I'm concerned that upgrading isn't really gonna get my a whole lot of performance, like, play at 800x600 with no AA and quality to low? On something like a 5200 or 5700? These cards are better than that and we both know this. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureshadow Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 i have no problems with playing, some minor graphics stuff but nothing much. my pc: P4 1,4ghz 384mb RAM geforce2 mx 400 (min. specs. say that at least geforce3 needed. yeah wadeva ) and my fps is ~40 with windows xp pro (background programs: msn, explorer, and antivirus) so my point is, get urself 1. graphics 2. ram P.S even gta vice city didnt run well with 256mb Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Hunter Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Well, my specs are: AMD Athlon 1200Mhz 512Mb RAM GeForce 4 MX440 64Mb 40Gb Maxtor. ^ Game hits about 20-27 FPS with low FX quality and draw distance to 3 points. Some slowdowns getting when i drive on highway with LOTS of cars. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattstone_2000 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I agree that I need more RAM and a better graphics card, but I am convinced that there is something more to this. Some people with 6800s even are reporting horrible slow down. I mean in Vice City (and I know this is a newer game) but in VC the frame rate that most resembled SA's was at 1024x768 with draw distance to max. I thought SA would do just fine stripped to it's bones at 640x480. As for the frame limiter, I have it off because the game tries to limit the FPS even lower so say I'm getting 17 FPS the game will limit me to like 15 FPS, or maybe even 10. The graphics hardly met my expectations, the only thing that has met my expectations and more is los santos, and hopefully las venturas when I get there. But like I said before I am convinced there is something more to this than a shortage of RAM and/or VRAM, I'm concerned that upgrading isn't really gonna get my a whole lot of performance, like, play at 800x600 with no AA and quality to low? On something like a 5200 or 5700? These cards are better than that and we both know this. There's nothing more to it. SA has many times more polygons on screen than VC. You need to upgrade your video card. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 well, you know in the task manager (I have XP SP2 BTW) in the performance tab, where it says commit charge it never went over 256 when I played Vice City cause I have a really tweaked pc with no uneeded services running in the background, and I was told that so long as the commit charge never goes over your total physical memory you don't really need more ram I'm not sure about this though. However with SA it usually going over the max by about 15 mb, i know I can fix this by disabling even more services but I doubt it's gonna play like butter all of a sudden. I don't know wether to email Rockstar or wait for a patch or what. Like i said, I only have PCI slots so you think a 5700LE PCI would get it running good? I doubt it. I think there's some conflict with my motherboard or something in the bios i duno I can't figure it out as I've tried nearly everything. Got the latest drivers for everything. The last thing I would consider is a BIOS update wich has never been updated since I bought it in 2002. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) mattstone you say there's nothing more to it, so then why are people with good systems getting slow framerates? If the PS2 can play this game with low quality and hardly any draw distance why can't I? I don't agree at all. Take GTA3 for example. That game played like crap. Then Vice City comes out, with more polygons like you say, bigger draw distance and it plays like 3 times better than GTA3. Whatever the case may be I think they could have done a better job at optimizing this game not only for the minimum systems out there but for the various configs out there like ATI, it's pretty obvious this game is meant to be played on nVIDIA, says it at startup don't it? But just think about the example of GTA3->VC. They say the game is pretty much the same as it uses the sreaming technology so why such a dramatic difference? I would go as far as to say it plasy WORSE than GTA3. Actually it does. (on my system atleast) Edited June 19, 2005 by SEEJAY123 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 I'm just frustrated that I can't play this game and then I upgrade and it still doesn't run so great ask those who are getting sloe FPS they will tell you. Why lord Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4aces Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Slow FPS means either one of three things (or a combination thereof): a. Slow processor b. Not a lot of RAM c. Old video card To say that a lot of people are having these problems may be true, but a lot of people also want this to work like it would on a PS2. They want to put the game in and expect it to look like the screenshots on the box with no problems at all. Me, I suffer from b and c. I have a Ti4200 and only 512MB of system ram. I have recognised this fact, and turned down my graphics settings (from "High" to "Medium"), and my gameplay is exponetionally better than what it was. Just chill, scrape some pennies together, and upgrade your system. Note that if you have an MX card, pretty much anything is an upgrade. Did you upgrade your BIOS? A 5700LE would get it running better, but the PCI bus is also slower than the AGP bus. Now, they're even beginning to phase out AGP cards for the new PCIe standard, which is much faster than AGP, and supports things like SLi. Better yet, tell me what motherboard you have (make and model) and I'll see if I can't track down a solution. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Share Posted June 19, 2005 Thanks for the reply dj4aces. Alright, the BIOS, I have not updated the BIOS but will look into it. As for the motherboard, I am not exactly sure the model as I have no idea how to find out. But the computer is a Dell Dimension 4500S (P4 1.8 GHZ). You know, the other guy that was having problems trying to set the resolution higher than 800x600 is also using Intel graphics. Maybe if I email Rockstar they can look into it? Also after playing GTA3 I can say that it's not always a. b. or c. the cause for a slow frame rate. It can be anything really, hek with the way computer software works it can even be a mystery from what I've seen. BTW Happy Father's Day everyone! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiddy Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Seriously, get a proper gfx card (and some more ram) and things will be fine. I have a p4 1.8ghz with 512 ram, Radeon 9600xt running at 1024*768 with 2XAA, 2XAF and i get around 40-60fps constantly. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2911917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losik Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Fiddy, Fo' sure, hommie? My friend has 9600xt, pentium 2.6 (overclocked to 3.6 Ghz or not overclocked - it doesn't effect on FPS), 1GB of RAM, upgrated bios, latest CATALYST 5.6 (tried on 4.1, newest OMEGA, 4.9), 80 GB harddrive.. and what do you see - NFS, HL2, Morrowing are running great on high settings. When it comes to GTA:SA - 20-25 FPS (www.fraps.com - to measure) and 8-15 in some zones.. Not 40-60 definitly. He's playing on Very High, 2X AA, 1024*768*32, Different modes in graphic card settings (AF, Mip Mapping detail, SMOOTHVISION stuff) and nothing helps, unless you set to Low setting... This seems to be unnatural... It's meant to be played on f**n nVidia (I don't hate nVidia, I hate the meaning R* treet to ATI users) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2912023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage18 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I know the integrated video screw job all to well.. then I build 2 pcs. I play on: Athlon 64- 3200+ (2.2 ghz) Kingston 512 DDR 400 (ya ya need more) Maxtor SATA 150 120gb HDD Radeon 9800 PRO I play max settings with random slow downs that last for a minute or 2. My only real problem is sometimes the game minimizes itself. Back to the point of my post. Chances are if you have integrated graphics you might not have an AGP port. Not true in all cases though. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2912124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4aces Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Don't feel too bad if you're not getting expected results. A patch will likely come out that will help these problems. Hell, I bought Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines when it first came out, and it ran like crap. I got a max of 20fps, and the game froze constantly. And that was also optimised for nVidia cards. In my previous post, I should have said the three major things, and not just three things. Sure, there's more to FPS then CPU, Mem, and Video. Background processes can cause a performance hit too. It's really just one of those things that has to be felt out, and a patch written to fix these errors. This is assuming that nothing else you've tried is working. Also guys, remember, just because your video card is a "9600XT" or a "6800 Ultra" or whatever, doesn't mean it's the same as every other 9600XT (etc, etc) out there. Different cards made by different vendors will undoubtedly be different. Different core clock speeds, different memory clock speeds, different features, will all affect a video card's in-game performance. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2912161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HempHog Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Seriously, get a proper gfx card (and some more ram) and things will be fine. I have a p4 1.8ghz with 512 ram, Radeon 9600xt running at 1024*768 with 2XAA, 2XAF and i get around 40-60fps constantly. What?! My systems spec's. Northwood OC'D to 3.12ghz geForce 6800u 128mb 420mhz/875mhz 2 gigs DDRRAM Highest FPS I manage is 55-60, and thats medium quality settings. When I get outside around trafic etc I see as low as 35 sometimes, I don't get it 3dmark 03 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4050311 3dmark 05 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=942581 I have no idea why this game runs like crap. I've tried different drivers etc, nothing helps. Hopefully a patch will fix these issues or maybe my system is outdated now.l Edited June 19, 2005 by HempHog Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2912726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Well I updated my BIOS but that didn't really do anything, atleast I got that out of the way. Also before anyone mentions it yes, I have reformatted my drive and the same thing happenned then. I ran it on a fresh install with no modifications and zero service packs, still got the same result. So now basically just need guidance on what I should do. Send R* an email? Call them by phone? Wait for the patch? Cause if neither of these work the only option would be to upgrade and hope I get the right gfx card. I get the feeling the 6600GT is not liking this game. What am I gonna do with a 6600 any way I don't even have an AGP slot. Anyways assuming that all goes well with my decision and it plays real good afterwards I still think it's messed up that I met the requirements and couldn't get it working properly. They should have just upped the requirements if they were gonna make such a sloppy port. Thanks for all your help all and please post if you've got any more ideas thx. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2913427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dertyjerzian Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 You need more RAM than 256, especially with an integrated graphics card. Those are flat out not good for gaming, (you should get a real video card) and I believe those types of cards use RAM from your system RAM too. Also did you turn off the Frame Limiter under the advanced options? hey joe, how easy is it to replace an integrated card with a stand alone card in a laptop? i have a dell inspiron 8600 if that helps. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2913907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKidd Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Seriously, get a proper gfx card (and some more ram) and things will be fine. I have a p4 1.8ghz with 512 ram, Radeon 9600xt running at 1024*768 with 2XAA, 2XAF and i get around 40-60fps constantly. What?! My systems spec's. Northwood OC'D to 3.12ghz geForce 6800u 128mb 420mhz/875mhz 2 gigs DDRRAM Highest FPS I manage is 55-60, and thats medium quality settings. When I get outside around trafic etc I see as low as 35 sometimes, I don't get it 3dmark 03 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4050311 3dmark 05 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=942581 I have no idea why this game runs like crap. I've tried different drivers etc, nothing helps. Hopefully a patch will fix these issues or maybe my system is outdated now.l Dude shut up man dont have to rub it in. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2913934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'm the lukiest person alive, I'm into Las Venturas and have had no mishaps whatsoever, the game runs at a cool 40FPS all the time, even with the double draw distance mod, and I haven't encountered a single crash or glitch. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2914526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBestache Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 It's meant to be played on f**n nVidia (I don't hate nVidia, I hate the meaning R* treet to ATI users) Hey, man, it's not only Rockstar that prefers nVidia, most of the developers prefer nVidia, and I hate that too . I'm seriously considering of buying an nVidia card. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2914587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HempHog Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Seriously, get a proper gfx card (and some more ram) and things will be fine. I have a p4 1.8ghz with 512 ram, Radeon 9600xt running at 1024*768 with 2XAA, 2XAF and i get around 40-60fps constantly. What?! My systems spec's. Northwood OC'D to 3.12ghz geForce 6800u 128mb 420mhz/875mhz 2 gigs DDRRAM Highest FPS I manage is 55-60, and thats medium quality settings. When I get outside around trafic etc I see as low as 35 sometimes, I don't get it 3dmark 03 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4050311 3dmark 05 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=942581 I have no idea why this game runs like crap. I've tried different drivers etc, nothing helps. Hopefully a patch will fix these issues or maybe my system is outdated now.l Dude shut up man dont have to rub it in. heheh, It's kinda weird though how lower end systems still manage higher fps. It's gotta be a bug. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2916188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drownage Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 OMG. you are trying to play PC games with an Intel Integrated Graphics adapter? You dont even own a graphics card. I doubt that is even supported. DUde you need to get a video card that intel integrated crap is pure garbage. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2916236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Dawg Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 wtf 50-60 is good fps considering how big the world is for this game why are u complaining jus stop Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2916257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drownage Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 FROM THE README 64 MB Video Card with DirectX 9 compatible drivers ("GeForce3" or better) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2916260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 (edited) Well yea it says 'card' but I didn't have nearly the slow framerate with Vice as SA. Not even close. It seems ridiculous. Yea I know your gonna say my graphics 'adapter' is ridiculous lol. But still, I should be able to play it at 640x480 ok? Kepp in mind this thing doesn't even do anti-aliasing so don't think I have that cranked up or something. Edited June 21, 2005 by SEEJAY123 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2917025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HempHog Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 it's the slowdowns to 30fps that I dont get. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2917488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motionfield Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 (edited) Seriously, get a proper gfx card (and some more ram) and things will be fine. I have a p4 1.8ghz with 512 ram, Radeon 9600xt running at 1024*768 with 2XAA, 2XAF and i get around 40-60fps constantly. What?! My systems spec's. Northwood OC'D to 3.12ghz geForce 6800u 128mb 420mhz/875mhz 2 gigs DDRRAM Highest FPS I manage is 55-60, and thats medium quality settings. When I get outside around trafic etc I see as low as 35 sometimes, I don't get it 3dmark 03 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4050311 3dmark 05 -> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=942581 I have no idea why this game runs like crap. I've tried different drivers etc, nothing helps. Hopefully a patch will fix these issues or maybe my system is outdated now.l This is what I've been trying to say. Whatever optimizations we do on our computers it doesn't get any better than 35-60. You have a monster and it should easily go 100 fps with this game. There is something wrong with the game and we need a patch. Period. Edited June 21, 2005 by Motionfield Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2918116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wole04 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 (edited) Guys,, forget fps and just turn on the FRAME LIMITER. it's there for a reason. the human eye cannot tell the difference between FPS above 30. Just read a post of someone complaining of getting FPS as low as 35. MAN!!! forget the program FPS and whatever it reports, turn on the frame limiter and enjoy the game. There's a reason R* put the frame limiter there to cap it at 30. (NEVER BELOW) i only have a 6800GT and the game runs FLAWLESSLY EDIT: U also need to realise that this comes on a DVD which is over 5X bigger than the regular CD that vice city came on so u can't really expect to compare gameplay. for one there's far more textures per frame, far more intense AI etc. Edited June 21, 2005 by wole04 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2918197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 Hey Motionfield, just curious but what makes you think they are going patch this up? Personally I don't think they are going to patch this up. It might not be that easy. Did you ever play GTA3? They never patched that game. They are problably going to patch up the black roads random crashes etc. duno bout this one though unfortunately. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/197454-fps/#findComment-2918463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now