Wolf68k Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 @SlashZero That PSU should do fine. There is a site that I normally use that can calculate the wattage of a PSU you need, but the site is pretty out dated. They don't list PCI-E GFX cards, only AGP cards. On a guess though, and knowing Antec, 350watts should get you buy. The ATI x700 card; I don't know much about ATI but the x700s are pretty much like the 6600s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) So you think that I should take the 350W one? Will I need to upgrade it soon? If it's just like the 6600, then I'll probably just get that, (the 6600). Unless it's worth the extra money. Maybe I could put the money for an higher watt PSU? EDIT: I thought about it and I really would like a 6600GT. Isn't there anything I can do? Edited June 23, 2005 by SlashZero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bond996 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I never claimed to be an expert, and I never claimed that these were the best parts. What I was doing was trying to get him the best bang for the cheap buck. I mean, you could always go to wal mart and buy an HP for around 500, and upgrade. But then again, what do I know? Clearly nothing. @Topic- IIRC, the x700 Pro outperforms a 6600 vanilla, but a 6600GT outperforms both. I would really reccomend pushing to get the 6600GT. I have one and they are quite good. How above budget is it for you? The 350W PSU will do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 With this setup, I will have to pay $686.42 including shipping. Add $70 for Windows XP and I'll have spent $756.42 of my $780 budget. That means I have about $23.50 left. The 6600GT is out of stock right now, so I'll have to add in the price myself. With out the 6600, the price for the parts is $568.92. I added $169 because I'm not sure if the rebate will still be there when I buy it. The cost comes out as $737.92. Add $70 and the total's $807.92. That's $27.92 over my budget. I said once and I'll say it again, do I really need that good ofa drive? If I need to save something, couldn't I just send it over to my moms computer because we're on a network. All I really want to read are game CD's and DVD's. If you think it's nessesary then I'll get one that can burn CD's, but not DVD's. I really can't think of why I would need to burn stuff on DVD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duders Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) I recommend atleast a 400 watt PSU. Its only a $10 difference but a 350 watt on should be fine. A DVD burner is usu7ally aroung 40 f*cks so give it a try. Good Luck edit - RAM -duderRAM Edited June 23, 2005 by duder6131 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hey wolf...ill sell you my Asus 9800XT 256mb for a good price if your intrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I said once and I'll say it again, do I really need that good ofa drive? If I need to save something, couldn't I just send it over to my moms computer because we're on a network. All I really want to read are game CD's and DVD's. If you think it's nessesary then I'll get one that can burn CD's, but not DVD's. I really can't think of why I would need to burn stuff on DVD's. The DVD burner is just a suggestion. You could do anything and everything with it. From backing up DVDs (obviously) to backing up your HDD(s). Here's one, you're buying WinXP at the same time right? It's a pain in the butt to have to reinstall your system each time something fubars or if you replace the HDD or a number of other reasons. Then you're not only reinstalling the OS, but also re-entering the Product Key and later the Activation Key, then there is the whole reinstalling the common pieces of software. Yes you could shell out more cash for Norton Ghost, or you can use free tool and create an unattended cd. With an unattended cd you can create the accounts, pre-install programs and not only can the programs be pre-installed the but their product keys can be pre-entered, pre-install Windows Updates patches, make all of the settings to the accounts that you want, and so on. The thing is that once it's done, the next time you need to install the OS, you use this disc you made and when it gets done and it's at the login screen, you're done...just login like usual and go about your life as usual. The most you might have to reinstall afterwards is a few more Windows patches, your games or other huge space grabbing programs (ones that'll take 1GB or more). Yes this can be made burned to a CDR but if it gets too big then a DVDR will be needed, and by having a DVD burner you can plain for more pre-installed programs to be set in this disc. You can read about it here: http://unattended.msfn.org/ As as complex the read might be, once you've done it and worked out any bugs (they have a forum section there to get any extra help you might need), it gets easier. I must admit I have yet to make one myself, but it's only because I'm lazy and I keep forgetting to do it. @Atomic An ATI 9800XT will smoke the s**t out of any FX 5700, obviously, since the 9800's and made to go toe-to-toe with the FX 5900's. However I'm a nVidia Fan so far. Thanks for the offer and if I still need it later, and I've got the money to spend, I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 Ok, you're right, I would like a DVD burner. Now I can't figure out what to downgrade. I guess I'll just take the x700. I did some research and came up with this. It's sort of interesting just to see all the cards, but now I'm starting to think that the 6600GT isn't worth it. And when the X700 gets old(er), then I can give it to a friend and buy a better card. duder6131 - What I'm worried most about the 350W power supply is that I'll need a new one to support my upgrades very soon. Also the both of the links for ram are the same kind wolf68k picked out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waste Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 The 350w power supply should do you fine for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 What d o you mean that after looking at that Tom's Hardware PCI-Express round up that the 6600GT isn't it. Looking at the 3DMark 2005 test; No AA/Af the 6600GT beats out the x700 Pro (which I'm pretty sure if faster than a x700 vanilla), but yeah when the AA and AF were turned on the 6600GT lost it, which I think is very odd and I wish though would explain why it wasn't run (they more than likely do, I'm not too lazy to read the article and just look at the charts for now) But in the UT2k4 bench with or without AA/AF the 6600GT beats out the x700. Half-Life 2; the x700s barely beat the 6600GT by .4 fps in the 1024x786 No AA/AF test, but after that the 6600GT beat out the x700 except for the 1600x1200 with AA/AF Doom3; They start off again neck and neck, but as the stress increases the x700's performance decrease much more than 6600GT Riddick; the 6600GT starts out a well enough ahead of x700 and stays there Pacific Fighters; Pretty much the same results as the Riddick test results with the 6600GT out in ahead. The Sims 2; this is where it gets strange. With Max Quality and No Smoothing Edges all of the ATI cards smoke the nVidia cards and strangely the 6600GT non-SLI matches that of a 6800Ultra SLI and smokes the 6600GT SLI. However once the the Smoothing Edges is turned on ATI can't hold up as well any more and the nVidia cards get back into running. And it's here we see a 6600 vanilla just edging out the x700PRO while the 6600GT completely smoke the x700s in fact it puts a hurting to all of the ATI cards. Frankly if I was an ATI fan after reading that review and just comparing the 6600GT to the x700, I would switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 Frankly if I was an ATI fan after reading that review and just comparing the 6600GT to the x700, I would switch. You would switch to the... 6600GT? Ok, I think I will just stick with the X700 though. It's all I can afford for now. I could ask my mom for a bit more money for the 6600GT, but I think she'll say no. Also I'll just stick with the 350W power supply, unless someone has a reason not too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 The x700 will be fine. I'm not saying that if I was running the ATI x700 now and then read that review that I would switch to atleast the 6600GT. When I meant was, if I had used nothing but ATI and was a big fan of ATI and I was looking to upgrade from some older ATI card and I was looking at the x700, then after reading that review I might change my thought to 6600GT. Lord I hope that made sense, I'm kind of tired right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 That made sence sort of. You mean if you were an ATI fan, but had an outdated video card you would get the 6600GT instead of a X700 because of the test? Even though you were planning on getting the X700? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) The DRIVE seems to have been deactivated. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....cription=27-152 Now which one should I get? Oh crap, sorry for the double post. Edited June 25, 2005 by SlashZero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827152049 The difference between the OEM and Retail versions, now, seems to be $0.99. So go a head and get the Retail version. plus you'll get a CD that comes with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3.5 Suite, Ulead Movie Wizard, Nova BACKUP 7.1, Ulead DVD Player....they should be worht the extra $0.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bond996 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 I'm personally a Lite On fan for drives. I have that one in my new rig, and I mostly bought it over the NEC drive due to it including Nero and PowerDVD, since Ulead Moviestudio came with my Asus motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 26, 2005 Author Share Posted June 26, 2005 Ok, it's between those two. Does anyone know which one I should get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 I'm personally a Lite On fan for drives. I have that one in my new rig, and I mostly bought it over the NEC drive due to it including Nero and PowerDVD, since Ulead Moviestudio came with my Asus motherboard. Ok now I'm pissed. NOW the F'er comes with a switchable face plate!?! Now to be serious. Both the NEC and Lite-On get the top picks in more reviews I've read in the past. I've got a Lite-On as well (SOHW 1633S) and I love it. When I was looking at both, at the beginning of this year, Tom's Hardware had a round-up review of a number of DVD-/+RW DL 16x drives, I think about 10-15 drives. The NEC ND-3500A for the top pick if burning DVD DLs because it did it the fastest compared to the next best which was the Lite-On. However Tom's Hardware also noted that if DVD DLs weren't your thing (and as of right now DVD DL discs are by no means cheap) then the Lite-On is a great choice. And if memory serves me right, this review was made in Nov. or Dec. 2004 so by reading it in Jan 2005 wasn't too bad. I would like see a new round-up reivew with the latest drives that were in the same review from back then and see how they do. Since both drives are the same price, then either one will do you proud I'm sure of that. I personaly have a Lite-On like I said. The first CD-RW burner I got was a Lite-On 12x10x32x and it's still running strong after well over 200 CD burns. And back then the biggest thing that drew me into the Lite-On was the BURN-proof technology which now every CD and DVD burner has (or should have) BURN-proof or the generic name "SmartBurn" technology. Basicly what this is is prevents buffer under run errors (the bold is where BURN-proof gets it's name). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 26, 2005 Author Share Posted June 26, 2005 If both perform almost the same then I will take the LITE-ON because I can save some money on shipping. Unless someone thinks I shouldn't... Also I think I will get a diffrent case. When picking out a case what are some things I should keep in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 For me it's features and size, followed by looks and price. Do you want front USB and/or audio? If so where do you want them, usually on the top of the case or the face. How many 5.25" bays (CD/DVD) and how many 3.5" bays (HDD and floppy) do you need? You can also find cases these days that are screwless for these bays. Screwless means that instead of lining up the drive and trying to work a tiny screw into tight places, there are rails that you snap onto the drive and then slide the drive along the rails into the bay and it's locked in place. Size; for me means good air flow from the front fan to the back fan, also spacing for the hdd. Looks; are the completely up to you. What might look stupid to me is cool to you, you're case and your money not mine so my opinion here means jack s**t. Price; not even going to bother explaining that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 Ok, I'm still looking for a case, but right now I'm setting up the computer on newegg. I guess they put shipping back on both drives, but I'll stick with the Lite On. They have a combo for a mouse and this is what it says. ROSEWILL RM800P Black 3 Buttons 1x Wheel PS/2 Optical Mouse - OEM Model #: RM800P Item #: N82E16826193001 Price: $4.99 Combo Price: $0.00 Does that mean that I can get the mouse for free, or am I missing something? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827106988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed209 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Yea, the mouse is free in the combo with the dvd burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 Cool, I'll add that in. Here's what I have right now. http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishli...=Final+computer Normally I have 9 items in my cart, but now I have 10. I guess the mouse counts as one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nefarious Jester Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) On machines I build I normally use Nvidia cards, my personal machines, 1 has a Radeon 9800, 1 has an X800 & 1 has a 6800GT (my main computer) and I much prefer the 6800GT over the Radeon and the X800, I upgraded from 6600 to 6800 a few weeks ago and played mainly on my X800 machine before. The 6600 is a damn nice card but doesnt even touch the 6800 if you can find one within your budget, get a 6800 GT I havent used ATITool to overclock the X800 yet but I will soon Edited June 28, 2005 by The Nefarious Jester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 I can't do that because I'm already $35 over my budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Yea, the mouse is free in the combo with the dvd burner. It's free but you still have to pay for the shipping which is $4.99...if you ask me that's just about what the mouse is worth...the funny this is is that is what newgg.com sells it for before shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) Actually, should I get a HDD with NCQ? I was told I should, but then I also heard that it wouldn't matter to the average user. But wait... my card already supports/has NCQ right? This is what it says in the feature list. SATA interface with NCQ If I can convince my mom to pay $30 more, then should I get this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814127176 Edited June 29, 2005 by SlashZero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 You may gain half a tenth of a percentage in a synthetic bench with NCQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashZero Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 You may gain half a tenth of a percentage in a synthetic bench with NCQ. Half a tenth? ... Is that alot? Sorry, I couldn't get any sleep last night and I have to say awake all day so maybe I can get to sleep at a reasonable time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 .5 x .1 = 0.05% Does that sound like a lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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