GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 I dunno why I didn't notice this before but I have this black roads thing which I think is the same thing. basially anything on the ground in the distance is black until you get right up close. I turned mipmaps off in the game and they were gone but at a slight frame rate hit. So that fixed it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Are you sure that disabling mip mapping makes the game run slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maf Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 A few spots I've noticed in San Fierro, like the tram lines, are black until I get really close to them; black squares that turn into slightly blurry textures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEEJAY123 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Damn I just switched mip mapping back on and the difference is like night and day, not only is the framerate considerably faster, the draw distance seems to have been improved with less black roads. What the hell was I thinking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Are you sure that disabling mip mapping makes the game run slower? Well kinda, it felt like it anyway which given the nature of what it does didn't surprise me. Like the black effect means that textures don't need to be drawn in the distance thus more performance. That's how I understand it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izaik Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 (edited) I have a Geforce FX 5600. I updated to the 77.72 drivers today and it doesn't alone fix the black roads. Using NV Hardpage and the Mipmap disabled didn't work for me. I had to get Rivatuner and make the LOD bias -3. I'm not real sure what that does, or if I even need to make it -3. This fixes my black road problem almost completely. The ONLY time I could see something was in the subway racing a Sanchez down the train track. But for me, it's 100% gone. Edit: Does anyone know what the LOD Bias setting does? Edited July 3, 2005 by Izaik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maf Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 (edited) I have a Geforce FX 5600. I updated to the 77.72 drivers today and it doesn't alone fix the black roads. Using NV Hardpage and the Mipmap disabled didn't work for me. I had to get Rivatuner and make the LOD bias -3. I'm not real sure what that does, or if I even need to make it -3. This fixes my black road problem almost completely. The ONLY time I could see something was in the subway racing a Sanchez down the train track. But for me, it's 100% gone. Edit: Does anyone know what the LOD Bias setting does? intel Pentium 4 2.4GHz 512MB DDR333 (PC2700) WinFast A340 T GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR [Forceware 71.89] Pioneer 16x DVD-106S Creative Sound Blaster Live! TDK MP100 Headphones/Creative PC Works Speakers Windows XP SP1 === Rivatuner's LOD bias -3 worked for me; no more black roads. But the framerate hit is slightly too much for my hardware I think, so I'm going back to the default setting. Thanks for the info though EDIT: I tried the LOD -3 setting again after seeing the difference it made - no noticeable black roads at all - and decided to keep it at that for now. The game looks better Edited July 5, 2005 by maf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maws Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Are you sure that disabling mip mapping makes the game run slower? Well kinda, it felt like it anyway which given the nature of what it does didn't surprise me. Like the black effect means that textures don't need to be drawn in the distance thus more performance. That's how I understand it anyway. Same here. The utility worked, and eliminated the black roads completely, but I swear SA feels a little more sluggish now. I can't decide whether to keep it and live with the performance or go back to what it was, because it didn't bother me that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maf Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Are you sure that disabling mip mapping makes the game run slower? Well kinda, it felt like it anyway which given the nature of what it does didn't surprise me. Like the black effect means that textures don't need to be drawn in the distance thus more performance. That's how I understand it anyway. Same here. The utility worked, and eliminated the black roads completely, but I swear SA feels a little more sluggish now. I can't decide whether to keep it and live with the performance or go back to what it was, because it didn't bother me that much. I don't know, I thought the game felt slightly sluggish after the LOD tweak, but I'm not so sure now. I've been playing a few hours with it on and can't say it has made any difference to the game speed/fps. The black roads didn't bother that much anyway if I did have to go back to the default settings. But for the moment I'm happy with the LOD -3 setting and no black roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Finally, i managed to find a way to fix. Its quite simple - all you need is small tool called nVHardPage - you can download it here. Run it, choose Direct3D, find "User MipMap" and disable it. It works! Okay, so I downloaded it, and it said to extract from a little box...It's "7-Zip self-extracting archieve" So Where do I extract it? It has a "pre-made" link that says "C:\Documents and Settings\Richel\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\H9ATL4N6\" I tried extracting to there, but after extracting, nothing else comes out. COld someone please explain how to work this program/installation in one post? Thanks a lot, -Hyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Please help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0 Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Try searching google for 7-zip. Type into google. And then search. About the black roads. Here's what they say about that: (Rockstar admits its an issues, but doesn't fix it, just suggest how to reduce it): From the 1.01 FAQ: Q: Roads in the mid distance have a very noticeable black shadowed look that clears up as I get closer. A: Try making sure you are not forcing Bi-Linear or Tri-Linear filtering to ON in your video drivers. Set MipMapping in GRAND THEFT AUTO: San Andreas Display Options to OFF. Use Anistropic Filtering for the best look in game (you will need to force this ON in your video drivers control panel). Increasing the screen resolution will also push this distance further out. How come R* didn't fix this before the game came out. Maybe they will fix it sometime, but I kinda doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generic_loe Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 About the black roads. Here's what they say about that: (Rockstar admits its an issues, but doesn't fix it, just suggest how to reduce it): From the 1.01 FAQ: Q: Roads in the mid distance have a very noticeable black shadowed look that clears up as I get closer. A: Try making sure you are not forcing Bi-Linear or Tri-Linear filtering to ON in your video drivers. Set MipMapping in GRAND THEFT AUTO: San Andreas Display Options to OFF. Use Anistropic Filtering for the best look in game (you will need to force this ON in your video drivers control panel). Increasing the screen resolution will also push this distance further out. How come R* didn't fix this before the game came out. Maybe they will fix it sometime, but I kinda doubt it. i dont think rockstar can fix it.. since its not their engine. i read somewhere its a Renderware engine, which might be a problem for them tryin to fix it. Anyhow.. i got a 6800GT OC flavor from BFG Tech and i still get the black road problem from time to time. Disabling mip mapping on the advanced menu does help an assload but does hinder performance somewhat. not noticable enough to justify turning it back on though. i always run the latest drivers (even beta sometimes) and id have to say its probably the best idea to do so (especially with nvidia based cards, dunno about ATI, never purchased nor even played on one for an extended amount of time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumagoro Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Does the LOD -3 make the graphicks choppy like turning mipmap off? Ar just makes the blurring more far away? And what's the Fps hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maf Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Does the LOD -3 make the graphicks choppy like turning mipmap off? Ar just makes the blurring more far away? And what's the Fps hit? I haven't noticed any difference in frame rate since reducing the LOD setting to -3 using RivaTuner. The black roads are gone so this fix does work, despite what Rockstar are saying. I'm playing with a GeForce FX 5200 128MB card, 2.4GHz P4 CPU, 512MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceeinstein Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Any fix for a 64MB Integrated Intel Extreme graphics card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 good 1 guys,haven't tried that one but forcing mip map filter in ati tray tools does it for me That doesn't work for me I check this option, click apply, when I open tweaks dialog again it is unchecked. I use ati tray tools 1.0.4.780. My vc is ati radeon 9600 pro 128MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chene Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 i use an 9800p but no go with ati tray tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyResta Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 do any of these fixes work for Mobile Intel® 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family? if they do then which one is it? and what would happen if i install another driver over this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmarly Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) HI i downloaded nvhardpage but i cant find the user mipmapping option. im using windows vista and my graphics card is nvidia geforce go 6100 also i've tried configuring my graphics settings and tryed almost everything but the black roads just wont dissapear. Edited August 30, 2007 by bobmarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCHolmes Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Please avoid bumping old topics. Create a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maf Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I've been using RivaTuner for a couple of years to fix the black road problem in my GTASA game. (I'm using v2.02 RivaTuner at the moment; the latest one, I think.) On the Main tab, I go to Driver settings-Customize... DirectDraw and Direct3D settings; then under Mipmapping slide the Mipmap LOD bias adjustment to -3.0 and hit OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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