nullport Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Vice City was so refreshing, polished, cute environments, great missions..... and now..... San Andreas offers HUGE maps, you'll never know your way around them. Graphics are just terrible. Let alone the thousand of glitches, the unfinished car-textures. When slowing down in a car, the whole camera goes into top-view, you can't even see where you're driving. Driving a bike in Vice City was pure fun, in San Andreas it's just so clunky, irritating to say the least. Missions give nothing special, they actually suck. Environments are over-filled maps, nothing nice, just a bunch of cooked-together blocks. I'm simply disgusted that the Follow-up to Vice City is such a BAD experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA fan Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 u obviously don't have a clue what ur talking about. san andreas is a thousand times better than vice city. dont get me wrong vice city was amazing. i completed it 3 times but san andreas is just better in every aspect. as for glitches i have experienced about 3 since i bought the game when i t came out. and as for the graphics being sh*te. u r sh*te, the graphics are amazing considering the size of the game, the country and scenery is amazing. all i have to say to you is, u obviously don't have a clue about what ur talkin about and u should get ur head examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonj0e Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 san andreas is alot bigger than vice but play about 3 quaters of the missions and u shoudl know ure way around quite alot of the map graffics aint atall bad ive never experianced when slowing down in a car it goign to top down view but it dose move upwards a little bit the biek physics have definatly chaned in san but u can still stunt and have fun driving the bikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Lightning Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Once you've played a good deal of the game, you know your way around the cities and most of the countryside. The bigger maps make it better to explore, and find out new places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Did you ever think that maybe you just suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philtheonearmedbandit Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Okay, do not even try to say that ANY game has more glitches than Vice City. I wish I could have a dollar for every time after the opening movie for Cortez's missions that I drowned when I just fell through the pier, or whenever I fell through my motorcycle, or my gun just decided to stop working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHJJ Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 you cant find your way around Use the map.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nojmplease Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I can't help but sort of agree with the poster. And by the way guys, replies like "Maybe you just suck" make you sound like an ignorant a-hole, not to mention that it only hurts your case, since you obviously don't even have evidence to back up your position. Anyway, I feel from my first impressions of GTA:SA that there is less of a new and exciting feeling that I had when playing both GTA3 and Vice City for the first time (and that lingered for a VERY long amount of play time). My complaints aren't just graphics or outdated physics modeling (anything more complex would drag most machines to a halt). I find that the entire theme and presentation of this game is slightly less interesting than the previous two. Perhaps I just don't find the urban inner city gang themes all that interesting (and the use of swearing is really overdone in the game; whereas it was well used to portray specific responses and often hilarious situations in Vice and III, here it is so ubiquitous it totally loses its treat). Another huge detraction, let alone the generic gang themes, is just how unexciting the early 90s are. The cars are pretty much the most boring and slow vehicles from both III and Vice City, and there is little thrill in the stylistic touches and imagery (unlike the easily identifiable and half-laughable/half-nostalgic 80s miami theme of Vice). Yeah, the bigger levels are cool, but without any thrill for the surroundings, who cares? Missions are decent, considering there are only so many different ideas that the creators could devise, especially after two nearly identical format predeccesors. Even with the incredible amount of added mini-elements, from the pool tables to the video games to the clothing to the haircuts, I still feel like nothing exceptionally new has been implemented here. Overall, the game is far from bad. Hell, I'll still be playing it for a long long time. I just don't think you guys should quickly shoot down someone who disagrees with the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivionz Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) Yes, Nojmplease is right, you don't have to get on his case just because he don't like the game. Not everyone likes everything, y'know. [Off Topic] Hey, Nojmplease. You joined in September, 03. But you only have 1 post so far, what's up with that? [/Off Topic] Edited June 12, 2005 by Oblivionz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptomex Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) Dude, San Andreas is superior over Vice City. Feature wise, San Andreas is amazing with the amount of things you can do. Mission wise, the characters were very well done by their voice actors/actresses and the missions overall are different and unique, but tie in to the story line. The story is amzing and the missions support that with there amazing gameplay. Glitch wise, yes there are some glitches but your almost blinded from them due to the amazing gameplay. Size wise, the game is huge overall. If you just got the game of course you don't know your way around, nobody did when they first got it. You will eventually learn the map. Vehicle wise, you don't know what the hell your talking about. The motorbikes are basically the same as in Vice City with an increased number of bikes. When you drive the screen does go up and if you can't drive like that than you have a problem. Possibly you can't drive. If you just got the game, then don't criticize it just yet. You don't really see the full experience of San Andreas until your about half way through the game. Even then, there are still some amazing things to discover. If you do beat the game and have seen everything there is and still are not satisfied then all I will do is Edited June 12, 2005 by Raptomex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zendex25 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 You hate the graphics? Buy PC/Xbox version. It's graphics are 5 times better than PS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindead Sandwich Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Yes, Nojmplease is right, you don't have to get on his case just because he don't like the game. Not everyone likes everything, y'know. [Off Topic] Hey, Nojmplease. You joined in September, 03. But you only have 1 post so far, what's up with that? [/Off Topic] then maybe he should have put IMO at the end of his post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistie Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I must agree that Vice City had a nice 'fresh' fell about it but San Andreas has made improvements in controls, graphics, maps and so much more that it has almost made vice city obselete in terms of technology! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dertyjerzian Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 i disagree with the lot of you on this. SA is not only a knock off and mocking of real life 50 cent, but it also feels "heavier" everything is tooooo much. all the extra features ARE gay imHo. the health bar shouldv'e stayed numbers and so on. You haters should toss on a copy of VC right quick and check out the nice fast animation and so on. SA is beat, period. The only plus is that when someone puts a 100 percent save up, you can look around an all new place. a new place. thats all this game is worth. port SA to VC without it crashing, now that would be fun. SA is pretty, jam packed, and unbelievably stupid all at the same time; and so it can be described as "Jessica Simpson gets done in the butt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-beeblebrox- Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 i disagree with the lot of you on this. SA is not only a knock off and mocking of real life 50 cent, but it also feels "heavier" everything is tooooo much. all the extra features ARE gay imHo. the health bar shouldv'e stayed numbers and so on. You haters should toss on a copy of VC right quick and check out the nice fast animation and so on. SA is beat, period. The only plus is that when someone puts a 100 percent save up, you can look around an all new place. a new place. thats all this game is worth. port SA to VC without it crashing, now that would be fun. SA is pretty, jam packed, and unbelievably stupid all at the same time; and so it can be described as "Jessica Simpson gets done in the butt". Hehe, clever end quote, but I don't know how you can all think this! Vice City was indeed a good game, but compared to GTA III at the time, and compared to SA now, the map is a piece of poop. It's flat and boring and basically not a patch on either of the other 2 next gen GTAs. San Andreas's graphics are fine. I admit, when I first loaded it up, all the colours looked washed out, then I realised it was just because of the weather at the time. Glitches are few and far between, and when you do find one it usually provokes laughter. The missions are numerous and varied, the voice acting is quality, and the storyline is interesting. The music is good, although the talk station was a bit of a let down (Bring back Chavez!!), and the whole atmosphere is authentic. Basically, I love SA, I don't see how all of you can hate is so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barguast Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 then maybe he should have put IMO at the end of his post When someone expresses an opinion, I think it's safe to assume that it is their own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Dogg 2005 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Here are MY ratings for both games: Vice City: 94/100 San Andreas: 100/100 I liked Vice City a lot, but I think San Andreas is better than Vice City I liked 3 better than Vice City. But anyway, the more you play the game, the more you'll know the state. The motorbikes are the same as Vice City. And what I find disgraceful is that people are making fun of the guy who made this topic because he likes Vice City better than San Andreas! People have their own opinion, so LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamboom Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) EDIT: Sorry - double post. I only received a blank page the first time I tried to submit it. Edited June 13, 2005 by Beamboom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamboom Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 And what I find disgraceful is that people are making fun of the guy who made this topic because he likes Vice City better than San Andreas! People have their own opinion, so LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!! Amen to that. Looks almost as some take it as a personal insult. Regarding the game, I've only played it a few hours yet so my experience with SA is limited. However from what Ive seen so far SA is hands down the best of the GTA's. It simply has a lot more content in addition to the missions - and its using GTA as a "playground" that I love about these games - just roam around and explore, find stuff, and do stupid stuff. However I agree with one thing: The 90s theme isnt as appealing as the Miami Vice 80s theme. Personally I would also like to add that the radiostations were better in VC in my opinion (the studio talk and commercials) - but that may also be related to the fact that the 90s is harder to make fun of. Regarding the music I miss some real rave and hardhouse music - THATS the 90s to me! Or maybe thats more a european thing back then? Was it all r'n'b and rap over in the states during the 90s? (OT: A theme that could work very well for a future GTA, is a typical tropical holiday destination, with all the "happy hour" fun-bars, cheesy deco, trashy souvenirs, silly tourist attractions, fake clothes and electronic equipment (for example, a couple of years ago I bought a "Tecnics" CD player believing I bought a "Technics" player ) and activities and the natives trying to scam every single tourist for everything they got. Take the Canari Islands for example. Those islands are BEGGING to get GTAlized... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack'o Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I think beeing black with gangs, and the big map say's enough already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanenormepene Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I held my breath so much while playing GTASA, my stomach began to cramp, yes, it was that exciting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehCriminalMastermind Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Graphics are just terrible. Let alone the thousand of glitches, the unfinished car-textures. You're talking about Vice City, right? There's way more glitches in VC than San Andreas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnockOut Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) *A Moment of Truth* - With KnockOut. - Ok, let me start by saying that I'm one of those crazy people who litterally waited UNTIL JUNE to play San Andreas for my first time. (I've played Vice for about 2 years now on Xbox, and I don't own a PS2 - so I didn't want to spoil SA for myself by watching other people play it.) I purchased my PC copy about 2 days ago, and here are my humble opinions: + I kind of agree with the author of this topic, but only to a certain extent. I think I can word how we ALL might feel pretty well... - I can't lie, San Andreas made drastic improvements to the GTA world; but IMO - the game as a whole just isn't as smooth as Vice City was. Now I know a lot of this has to due with the map increasing about 5x its original size - but if a humungous map with cluttered city streets results in constant glitching/choppy frame rates, maybe they should of took it down a notch or two... To sum things up: San Andreas is just too much of a game for the consoles we currently have, and that's the truth. The ideas and concepts brought into the GTA world were amazing, but for the PS2 AND XBOX, (and it's appearing PC,) - even with the latest upgrades - it's never 100% smooth. I've yet to play my copy for hours on end, (or even 2 hours come to think of it,) - without occasional lagging and horrible loading times. I love the game, but again - it was ahead of its time lol. (And FOR THE RECORD: I owned Vice City for PS2 when it first came out - sold my PS2 - purchased it for XBOX - purchased it for PC - and never had a problem with any of the above. I've owned San Andreas for 2 days and I've had nothing but hassle.) Edited June 13, 2005 by KnockOut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojawfee Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 The problem is that they keep going for "WE HAVE GIANT MAP" instead of "WE HAVE LOTS OF CONTENT AND AWESOME LOOKING ENVIRONMENTS" Plis the fact that there is no direct route to anywhere in the game. Everything is about taking dirt roads and side streets to get anywhere. I find tha driving on the train tracks is the only way to go directly to any of the cities. I would rather have the game look nice and have a smaller map (nowadays we can have a VC sized map and still make it look really nice) than have a map the size of Russia and fences that are made of two polygons and blocky characters. aj_sff4949 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnockOut Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 *Well, looking back to Vice City - it WAS relatively easy to learn. San Andreas is more of a challenge to find your way around - HOWEVER, as we both just said... I'd rather have a smooth city than a huge frame lagging country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
She_Falls Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 nullport i suggest untill you have created a game thats better than SA and sold as many copies as SA then you can moan but for now you should keep your mouth shut cos you have NO idea what your talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojawfee Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 So you are saying that the only people allowed to criticize things are the people who made said things? If that were true, all art as we know it would suck. Just because someone doesn't draw doesn't mean they can't tell crap from greatness. You are the one who doesn't know what he or she is talking about if you feel that no one should ever criticize the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamboom Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I've owned San Andreas for 2 days and I've had nothing but hassle. What is your system spec? I am on a very modest PC consisting of a Geforce TI 4400 on a 1.8ghz CPU with ~740mb ram, and has so far never experienced any problems with lag or loading times at all. Yeah there are moments with a rather low framerate, but never gets so choppy or annoying that I'd call it a problem. Also regarding loading times I think its excellent - virtually no pause when enter/exit buildings, very fast loading of savegames... As far as I recall its much better than VC, and that has amazed me. If you experience problems with loading times I strongly reccomend that you do a defragmentation of the disk(s), cause it is a very high probability thats what cause the unwanted delays. It may even be a source for moments with lag. Regarding the comments about the maps being too large, I strongly disagree. Yes maps can become too large, and quality IS more important than quantity, but in SA's case I find the maps to be very well designed, with the different areas all having their own distinct looks and feel, its usually very easy to see approximately what area of town you are in. And I say this after just a few days playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzySM12 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 San Andreas offers HUGE maps, you'll never know your way around them. I know my way around SA very well now... it is quite daunting at first but after a few days you get the hand of it... Graphics are just terrible. Let alone the thousand of glitches, the unfinished car-textures. Graphics are improved from VC, and if your playing on PC, make sure its not jsut your PC taht sucks... Also Iv only came across 2 or 3 bigs in the game... When slowing down in a car, the whole camera goes into top-view, you can't even see where you're driving. Are you pressing teh correct button... Driving a bike in Vice City was pure fun, in San Andreas it's just so clunky, irritating to say the least. I find very little difference when driving... especially once you have got your bike skill full... remember you have to practice before CJ gets good... Missions give nothing special, they actually suck. I find the missions alot more intresting that VC as they are better planned and linked to the story line... and there is a great variaity of differnet missions... Environments are over-filled maps, nothing nice, just a bunch of cooked-together blocks. So the open roads of the country are over filled... I mean thises rocks are every where but I would not exactly say its grid locked I'm simply disgusted that the Follow-up to Vice City is such a BAD experience. I am simply disgusted that you are such a retard and no one has tok care of you yet... I would like to award you 3 virtual bitch slapps for your post... *slap* *slap* *slap* *punch* (woops, got carried away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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