Lethal_Sense Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 (edited) Right. This may seem n00bish but i think it's time the censorship issues where cleared up. The games been out for 9 months & still people all over the net are asking if anythings edited from the AU version. NOTHING IS EDITED! As for the german version, a few things are! It would be cool if this could be pinned so people could have there question answered without making a new thread. Games hardly ever get edited in Australia, it happens occasionly. But the guidelines have eased in the last few years. Allowing more controversial material in games. We rated games differently to the US & pretty much the rest of the world. The impact of the material is whats looked at, not so much the actual type of violence. Germany on the other hand, rated games on the type & impact of violence. Aswell as prohibiting Nazi material in any game & pretty much any movie. Sex on the other hand, no problems at all. They rated Playboy: The Mansion uncut 16+. But it's still 15+ in Australia uncut. Games like The Punisher, etc. Where never even released. THQ germany refused to publish it because they deemed it to violent. Yet another title rated 15+ uncut (same version as everywhere else) in Aussie! Anyway, back to GTA! When the game came out I ordered it from New Zealand, and also bought a copy from EB games here in Australia. I then wrote to the OFLC and requested a copy of their classification report for the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heres the Australian OFLC's report, on GTA: San Andreas: Medium level violence & Coarse Language In the majority of the Board's view, this computer game warrants a consumer advice for coarse language. This game contains 'f*ck' language, including the phrase 'mother f*cker'. It is mainly used in naturalistic fashion. Aggressive or very strong coarse language is infrequent. The Board notes that the player is able to pick up a prostitute and although the player's character and the hooker are seated next to each other, the car will rock back and forth in a suggestion of sexual activity. As the rocking continues the player's health will increase and the balance of the player's funds will decrease. After a short time the rocking stops and the hooker gets out of the car. The player is able to chase the hooker on foot or in the vehicle, and can strike the hooker, in much the same way the player can strike any other pedestrian character. The ability to pick up a hooker in the game relies on a complex combination of attributes such as respect, what type of vehicle, clothing. hairstyle, tattoos, physique, wanted level, what neighbourhood the player is in and at what time, what the weather conditions are like and more. If these conditions are not met then the hookers will behave like any other pedestrian and not get in the car. In this context, this element of the game can be accommodated within the MA15+ classification. So why did the OFLC allow this gameplay, where it had previously caused GTA3 to be banned then edited for resale and GTA: VICE CITY to be pre-cut? I believe that this time the prostitute element was more in context. In the other games, variables such as the weather didn't make any difference. Also the OFLC report states that they deemed the action only "implied sexual activity" and didn't contain actual simulated sex. I can confirm that the Australian Version is 100% UNCUT & UNCENSORED! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- German/French version: *The german version will be censored of blood (PC version only) * There will be NO special animation for headshots. * There will be NO "reward" for killing people, for example they will not leave money behind after dying. * You will NOT be able to interact with corpses (Such as hitting or kicking dead bodies). * All story missions, weapons and vehicles WILL stay as in the original version. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UK Version: Totally uncut as always, same as the Aussie version. Rated 18+. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- US Version: Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs As with the UK & Aussie version, the US version is also 100% uncut. Rated 17+ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers guys! & to the mods, try not to close this lol Could be vital info for some people lol Edited June 10, 2005 by Lethal_Sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liesofsilence Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Am I happy to live in Holland hehe. Maybe French and German people can preorder from Holland, UK, or the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugel Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 *The german version will be censored of blood (PC version only) Taht's new to me... Why should they do this? I heard no organization complaining about San Andreas for PS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools1980 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Can anyone in the United Kingdom please confirm that the UK version suffers no censorship at all? thanks, jools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools1980 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 *The german version will be censored of blood (PC version only) Taht's new to me... Why should they do this? I heard no organization complaining about San Andreas for PS2. This I already knew, and I think it's 99% sure. Germany, afaik, has some VERy strict law about violence and stuff. VC was censored too in Germany, afaik. beware, I still could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugel Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Germany, afaik, has some VERy strict law about violence and stuff. VC was censored too in Germany, afaik. Err, I know that for sure, since I live here. But the thing is, Vice City actually WAS cencored, but nobody here in Germany complained about San Andreas and so, nobody complained about the fact that San Andreas (PS2) has blood in it. As a result, I see absolutely no reason why Rockstar should edit the german PC-version more than they editet the PS2-version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Can anyone in the United Kingdom please confirm that the UK version suffers no censorship at all? thanks, jools It won't be, why would it if the PS2 version wasn't? It's the same as Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools1980 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 (edited) Germany, afaik, has some VERy strict law about violence and stuff. VC was censored too in Germany, afaik. Err, I know that for sure, since I live here. But the thing is, Vice City actually WAS cencored, but nobody here in Germany complained about San Andreas and so, nobody complained about the fact that San Andreas (PS2) has blood in it. As a result, I see absolutely no reason why Rockstar should edit the german PC-version more than they editet the PS2-version. I found my source. On some article published on gamestar mag (which you surely know better than I do, since it's a German mag), it was clearly stated that the German version of SA WILL BE censored of blood and other details. due to German laws (which, again, you surely know better than I do), I think R* had either to accept such censorhip or to give up the German market (which would surely cost them more than disabling blood and a few other thingies). About the PS2 version being uncensored, I really don't know what to do. Maybe PC version is deemed more violent, since it allows for headshot spamming. Or the PS2 version you played was an imported one. Man, I don't have a clue. I just don't play games on cheesy gaming systems as consoles are. @ GTA3Freak-2001 Thanks. Mine was just a last-minute doubt. Anyways, I know nothing of the UK ps2 version, so how would I know? Besides, as we've just been told, Germany has a ps2 uncnsored version and a PC censored one. So I was just afraid that this could happen in the UK too (tho the UK usually prefers ranking the game as '18+'). Edited June 9, 2005 by jools1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Viper Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 GTA:SA PS2 is also censored in the same way as descirbed above,though,its 16+ and Rockstar COULD HAVE realeased the Game without giving up german market. Just would only 18+ People buy it cause the ranking is critical, everyone below that age is NOT allowed to buy it, and the USK could also refuse to rank it and then it would be up to the BPJM to ban it ,though,it would make no difference to not beeing ranked, people under age of 18 are not even allowed to view ads,so you wont find anything about the game (thats why in mags Half Life was always called "Half Life (dt.)" (dt means = deutsch=german) and thats why Mario Kart: Double Dash and Wave Race : Blue Storm were not to be sold in shops cause they were automatically rated 18+ w/ ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 GTA:SA PS2 is also censored in the same way as descirbed above,though,its 16+ and Rockstar COULD HAVE realeased the Game without giving up german market.Just would only 18+ People buy it cause the ranking is critical, everyone below that age is NOT allowed to buy it, and the USK could also refuse to rank it and then it would be up to the BPJM to ban it ,though,it would make no difference to not beeing ranked, people under age of 18 are not even allowed to view ads,so you wont find anything about the game (thats why in mags Half Life was always called "Half Life (dt.)" (dt means = deutsch=german) and thats why Mario Kart: Double Dash and Wave Race : Blue Storm were not to be sold in shops cause they were automatically rated 18+ w/ ban. Why on earth where Wave Race & Mario Kart rated 18+? LOL WTF!!! Thats insane lol It didn't even have an age restriction here in aussie lol weird eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeggy Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Germany is very strict about violence in games, TV and movies much the same way the United States are strict about sex. I remember doing a tour of duty in Germany for a while and they had all kinds of sex stuff on TV, even in commercials. There was one ad for pants where about 25 of the 30 seconds were nothing but topless women shaking their tits all over the place... All on normal cable in the middle of the day Posters in store windows had all kinds of topless women. In the US, you can't even show a nipple without people getting all nuts about it. Remember the Janet Jackson/Superbowl thing? When I lived in Oregon, they wanted to section off an area of the Seaside city beach for nudists or something and there was a giant hullabaloo about it. In Germany, no one gives a f*ck. I agree with Germany in that I'd rather see tits and sex on TV instead of blood and gore... But that's just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 (edited) Meh we can watch R rated movies on public TV lol So just imagine what they show on cable!!!!! Anyone ever watched EuroTrash? It's like watchin porno sometimes lol In Aussie theres no watersheds on cable or satalite They can show anything except X rated porno! Edited June 10, 2005 by Lethal_Sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I guess this implys what we thought would happen with the PC and Xbox version, completely uncut like the PS2 Version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodGell Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 hmmm, anyone knows whether it'll be censored in central european countries like hungary (where i live)? and when'll it be released?? aaaa i can't wait! if it'll be a censored version, i'm afraid i'll have to download the real version off the net of course i'd buy the censored version so i won't be stealing from R*, but it's just unfair. GTA is (paritally) about freedom. freedom to do things you wouldn't/couldn't do in real life. and to all those f*ckers who say GTA makes you kill people, they're just plain wrong, since GTA allows you to kill virtual people for the fun of it. no one is harmed, it's just a simulation. if a violent-minded guy couldn't "express his feelings" by killing people in GTA, he'd likely do so in real life. which do you think is the better: your kid killing virtual people in a virtual world for fun, knowing it isn't real, or your kid killing real people in real world, thinking it isn't real? seriously, i hate those assholes. er, back to the topic: will it be censored in central europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 GTA:SA PS2 is also censored in the same way as descirbed above,though,its 16+ and Rockstar COULD HAVE realeased the Game without giving up german market.Just would only 18+ People buy it cause the ranking is critical, everyone below that age is NOT allowed to buy it, and the USK could also refuse to rank it and then it would be up to the BPJM to ban it ,though,it would make no difference to not beeing ranked, people under age of 18 are not even allowed to view ads,so you wont find anything about the game (thats why in mags Half Life was always called "Half Life (dt.)" (dt means = deutsch=german) and thats why Mario Kart: Double Dash and Wave Race : Blue Storm were not to be sold in shops cause they were automatically rated 18+ w/ ban. Sorry, but I have to correct some things here. San Andreas PS2 is censored in Germany, but it is NOT censored of blood. And I'm quite sure now that the PC-Version also won't be censored of blood. Nobody in any german GTA-Forum complains about missing blood as far as I can see. Furthermore, there IS a difference between a game being not ranked and a game being banned. Ads for a game are forbidden only if the game is banned. A game without ranking must be sold like an 18-rated game, but there are NO further restrictions. Restrictions like no ads and no selling in shops are just for games that are actually banned. (And there are not quite as much banned games as you may think when you read this thread ) Of course Mariokart and Waverace are sold in german shops. I see these games quite often. From my knowledge, both games were ranked by the USK without any restrictions, so everybody can buy it everywhere. And last but not least, everyone here in Germany aged 18 or older (even though not every shop cares about the age) is free to order a completely uncensored GTA San Andreas-Game... You see, the german laws are kind of strict when it comes to violence in games, but these laws are not as strict as somebody may think. I had absolutely no problem getting an uncensored San Andreas for PS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools1980 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 hmmm, anyone knows whether it'll be censored in central european countries like hungary (where i live)? and when'll it be released?? aaaa i can't wait! [snip] It shouldn't, however, it depends on your country' laws. It'll be released right today. Instead of downloading the game (which is ILLEGAL and really bad towards our R* friends), order it online from some retailer who ships all over europe, such as amazon or play.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Problem solved, government assh*les: STUPID Stupid is a very serious syndrome. It has the following symptoms: -Killing people for apparently no reason -Suicidal -Deciding to censor out blood and gore etc. from games because presumes that it will make anyone who played it KILL. Even though the one who would kill cause of that game is already STUPID. Haven't you noticed these people around you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaanis Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Am I happy to live in Holland hehe. Maybe French and German people can preorder from Holland, UK, or the US? mwhaahahha as far as i know in holland you can even sell drugs on streets {legally}. jeah then the games are nothing :D guys watch Eurotrip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 GTA:SA PS2 is also censored in the same way as descirbed above,though,its 16+ and Rockstar COULD HAVE realeased the Game without giving up german market.Just would only 18+ People buy it cause the ranking is critical, everyone below that age is NOT allowed to buy it, and the USK could also refuse to rank it and then it would be up to the BPJM to ban it ,though,it would make no difference to not beeing ranked, people under age of 18 are not even allowed to view ads,so you wont find anything about the game (thats why in mags Half Life was always called "Half Life (dt.)" (dt means = deutsch=german) and thats why Mario Kart: Double Dash and Wave Race : Blue Storm were not to be sold in shops cause they were automatically rated 18+ w/ ban. Sorry, but I have to correct some things here. San Andreas PS2 is censored in Germany, but it is NOT censored of blood. And I'm quite sure now that the PC-Version also won't be censored of blood. Nobody in any german GTA-Forum complains about missing blood as far as I can see. Furthermore, there IS a difference between a game being not ranked and a game being banned. Ads for a game are forbidden only if the game is banned. A game without ranking must be sold like an 18-rated game, but there are NO further restrictions. Restrictions like no ads and no selling in shops are just for games that are actually banned. (And there are not quite as much banned games as you may think when you read this thread ) Of course Mariokart and Waverace are sold in german shops. I see these games quite often. From my knowledge, both games were ranked by the USK without any restrictions, so everybody can buy it everywhere. And last but not least, everyone here in Germany aged 18 or older (even though not every shop cares about the age) is free to order a completely uncensored GTA San Andreas-Game... You see, the german laws are kind of strict when it comes to violence in games, but these laws are not as strict as somebody may think. I had absolutely no problem getting an uncensored San Andreas for PS2. Sorry lol But i think you're wrong. Many sites say the PC german version WILL be censored of blood. The PS2 version is censored but still has blood, i presume it's the same with the Xbox version. The German censorship laws seem pretty strict to me, anything with alittle blood seems to get banned. & i belive if a game is banned in Germany, it's illegal to posses it. I could be wrong ? ? But i'm pretty sure thats how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paragongrid Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 hmmm, anyone knows whether it'll be censored in central european countries like hungary (where i live)? and when'll it be released?? aaaa i can't wait! Well, I live in Greece, and it's close enough. We get the UK version, and I'm pretty sure Central European countries don't get their own version of it, so it'll likely be the UK version as well. If that's the case, then no censorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 Thought video games where illegal in Greece? LOL guess they changed that weirdo law eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paragongrid Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Thought video games where illegal in Greece? LOL guess they changed that weirdo law eh? Heh, they were. There was a law in place to ban illegal gambling machines, but because the wording of it was so bad, all videogames ended up banned. Technically, the law is still in place, but no one cares. The EU has taken Greece to court for anti-competitive practices, so I think they're finally going to get off their a**es, and rewrite the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahrenheit Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 The Xbox and PC are indeed different to the PS2 version. I have both PS2 and Xbox versions of the game (both PAL) and I have tested them to find the Xbox version has been toned down concerning the prostitutes. I ran some test. Starting from the beginning of both games, I picked up a prostitute and observed the following: The PS2 version has various comments from the prostitutes such as "you're my 5th customer this morning" during the 'interlude' the prostitute makes various moaning sounds and CJ can be often heard saying "Hope I don't get pregnant" and "You should be paying me". The Xbox version has none of this, there is no vocalisations or comments, just the squeak of the suspension. I ran this test multiple times on both formats. The second test involved the Pimping missions. The PS2 version has no verbal dialogue from the prostitutes, but has subtitles at the bottom, with comments like "if you treat me right, I'll give you a cut" when you pick them up, and "There is my customer....." when you drop them up. The Xbox version has no subtitles at all. It is very clear that the references to prostitutes have been tonned down. I have confirmation of this for NTSC versions of the game also, so it looks to be a universal difference between the Xbox/PC version and the PS2 orginal. I encourage anyone to try this for themselves. I am considering making an A-B comparison video, but I have no way to host it. The biggest question now is what else has Rockstar altered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 I doubt it's actually been TONED down, R* probaly just couldn't be bothered sticking as much effort into the Xbox version. Sucks eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahrenheit Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 The evidence suggest thats this is blatant removal of content, not lazy development. I have given a fairly convincing argument to support this. Please show examples of other content that has been removed or replaced or added which is not related to this censorship issue. As I say, you are welcome to test this for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Sense Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 Maybe.....I just picked up my PC version, so i'll have alook at that & see whats goin on Maybe its just the Xbox version thats censored lol Good thing i dun ave an Xbox hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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