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socalistoner

Ok My ROomate just got in the new Egm in the mail and in press start there is a interview in there with Both Jack Thompson (scumbag) Henry Jenkins...

 

I need to read Jenkins part but here are sum quotes out of thompson....

 

quote 1

 

Egm. "You once compared Doug Lowenstein,president of the Entertainment Software Assocation To Saddam Hussein.

 

JT:. "If I Did i want to apologize to saddam Hussein.Doug is a propagandist to whom the facts don't matter.He is paid to lie and he does it very well.Dough is paid a handsome salary probably seven figures,to say there are no stuides to indicate (violent games have) an effect on anyone.If this is true,why is the miliatary using them to create killing simulators"

 

I will Put the rest of thompsons' up if people want to read them..it is in teh egm with Link on it...

 

 

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Kingjad

Jack Thompson's a wank, I tried talking to him and I got 3 replies off him: the first two were simply "get lost" and the third was a threat of taking action against me if I sent him any more emails.

 

I merely asked him if America's lack of control over gun laws was to blame for most of his cases and NOT video-games which generally don't have any effect on anyone. Didn't Hitler kill millions without the aid of a video-game? confused.gif

 

Also asked him if he himself owned a gun, he wasn't too keen to answer that yin. You can not have a normal debate with the guy if you don't agree with his views, it's a one-way street and he's got to be more open-minded. I was VERY disappointed with him, I thought he would be at least be worthy of a good debate, instead some petty insults and a weak threat is thrown at me.

 

I might try to do a battle of wits again - I won round 1, who'll win round 2? devil.gif

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MAcSandNinEs

Jack Thompson's a f*cking idiot. Don't bother with emails.

 

~M$&9$~

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gotups294

I personally think hes doing this to get attention for publicity. Getting attention is important when you want a political office.

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ogglock

I think Jack Thompson is stupid enough to sew his hands together. I had enough with people like him. Sending him polite, cool, friendly, and calm e-mails is no use because he just replies with threats, and stupid stuff.

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Ok My ROomate just got in the new Egm in the mail and in press start there is a interview in there with Both Jack Thompson (scumbag) Henry Jenkins...

 

I need to read Jenkins part but here are sum quotes out of thompson....

 

quote 1

 

Egm. "You once compared Doug Lowenstein,president of the Entertainment Software Assocation To Saddam Hussein.

 

JT:. "If I Did i want to apologize to saddam Hussein.Doug is a propagandist to whom the facts don't matter.He is paid to lie and he does it very well.Dough is paid a handsome salary probably seven figures,to say there are no stuides to indicate (violent games have) an effect on anyone.If this is true,why is the miliatary using them to create killing simulators"

 

I will Put the rest of thompsons' up if people want to read them..it is in teh egm with Link on it...

Just like good ol JT to make almost no damn sense at all. God I f*cking hate him. But the military using violent video games to make "killing simulators"? Please post the whole thing next time. Maybe then I can aswer more.

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Jack Thompson's a wank, I tried talking to him and I got 3 replies off him: the first two were simply "get lost" and the third was a threat of taking action against me if I sent him any more emails.

 

yeah, i did the same thing. i spent time writing out a well thought email, and all he sends me back is "get a life". so i write back telling him i gave him too much credit, i could have a better conversation with a pencil. I also mentioned to him the fact that Christianity has been responsible for violence for thousands of years...i guess i went too far insulting his "god". No Reply...

So, I've come to the conclusion that this guy isn't worth his weight in sh#t. Besides, he hasn't ever actually won any of his cases against the industry has he?

People are too quick to blame anything on everything except for themselves. No one can take responsibility for their actions anymore, and with the alarmingly high number of lawyers out there, they don't have to. This world is too safe if anything. Whatever happened to survival of the fittest?

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ha! i'll be damned..

 

This world is too safe if anything. Whatever happened to survival of the fittest?

it died in the latter half of the 20th century my friend. Lawyers are largely to blame if anyone. Instead of saying "I'm sorry your an idiot, and im not taking your case", they say "Whatever. as long as i get paid.". Once its done successfully one or two times, every schmuck with a coffee-burned hand, or a fatass too large to fit on a airplane decides to sue, and since we dont want to "offend" anyone, they usually win.

 

As far as Jack goes, i think HE should get a life. he doesn't cite or verify his sources, and hes lost every gta-related case hes had so far.

 

 

I merely asked him if America's lack of control over gun laws was to blame for most of his cases and NOT video-games which generally don't have any effect on anyone. Didn't Hitler kill millions without the aid of a video-game?

granted, guns make it easier to kill people, but they arent the problem either. its human nature to kill, its been going on ever since the first "man" walked the earth. rocks, clubs, spears, swords, muskets, pistols, rifles, lasers and anything we invent in the future. the reason and weapons might change over time, but the action doesnt. GTA is just another convenient excuse that fits the times.

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NeoSNightmarE

good ol Jackie boy. making no sense and saying sh*t that is so far out there that its thought of in the sense of...wtf? its gonna do me proud to roast his ass. its like chess. gotta set up the pieces and then you have a checkmate. and how the hell are you going to compare someone in the gaming industry to someone who killed his own people. wait...games kill people too right? bbq.gif

 

pure bullsh*t as always. thanks for posting that.

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socalistoner

Ok im going to go ahead and post all of the rest of the article with both Thompson and Jenkins.....I will leave out the one i already put...i will throw in my 2 cents on each one....

 

Lets start With jack Thompson

 

Egm: "VideoGames with mature content are clearly labeled on the box. Isnt a voluntary ratiings system a responsibility Move by the video game industry."

 

Jack: "The esrb doesnt work because as the Federal Trade Commision and various private individuals and organizations have found.Retalers are not aviding by the ratings.They're selling these games to kids Under 17 despite the rating label.In fact, it's a counterproductive sales tool because millions of kids want the Mature-Rated games.Rating labels that have no pratical impact are ineffecutal and counterproductive. Thats why another attorney and i sued best buy in november of 2004,so they agreed now to id anyone who presents a game to a cashier and appers to be 21 years of age and under we movied teh bar four years forward,so it is less likely kids under 17 can buy these things"

 

Me.I think he is talking out of his ass...If a store doesnt card then they need to be fined.I know stores card though.I was carded for vice city and it was beiing bought by my mom for me for a birthday present for me..I was 23..They asked for id....

 

Egm: "But how often do M-rated games end up in the hands of kids in stores"

 

Jack: Many stings have found that up to 50 percent of kids under 17 were sold M-rated games.and with 14-year-olds between 70 to 80 percent of them were able to buy titles like Grand theft auto san andreas.Some videogame companies dont want retailers to abide by these ratings.Its a charade-they say to parents and congress.."dont sell m-rated games to anyone under 17" but they do the video game industry says one thing and does another"

 

Me.once again if a store sells a 7 year old a copy of manhunt....FIRE THE CLERK Or the Person who SOLD HIM THE GAME!

 

Egm: "who are u refering to,exactly"?

 

Jack: "game publishers,console manufactures and retailers.they're all in cahoots with one another to have a rating system that doesnt work.The ESRB system is not a warning label-its a ratings Lable.It should say "do Not sell this game to anyone under 17"

 

Me.Ok i have right next to me My Beloved Copy Of San Andreas...Lets look at the rating for it.........It Says Mature! I can tell cause its big enough to read even though im stoned....now lets see here.....

 

Blood And gore

Intense Violence

Strong Language

Strong Sexual Content

Use of Drugs.....

 

Now lets say ur in toys r us and ur 14 year old ask for san andreas....Wouldnt u look on the back of the game and look at everything before saying Ok.....once again these Morons like jack Thompson (is it me or does he remind u of Wally George!)

Spouting Stupidity...Lets continue

 

Egm: "what are you proposing to fix this?"

 

Jack: We need a three-legged stool: education,legislation, and my approach, which is to do the right thing.This included representing bereaved third parties so they can sue those responsible for actios that have resulted in death.Family members who miss their loved ones-this is where the breakthrough will occur.the industry fears this,so they've all run out and boughty "copycat liability" insurance to protect them. if they dont think this is going to happen,they why are they buying it?this third solution is to scare the dickens out of the video game industry to stop marketing and selling inappropriate games to children.My Goal is to save lifes.

 

Me...Ok for this one here i have a idea but i am sure it falls under freedom of speech but how about now since most gamers are around the age of 15 to early 30's or somewhere around there...But how about if legislation makes it so Ok if u want to play video games fine but to purchase a console or a game u must be of the age 18 and show legal id to verify..Now this does 2 things....One its helps stop this stupidity that is spreading like wild fire.Two Now if a child wants to get into video games then the parent is going to have to make the purchase and if they actully care about there kid or kids they will do research and find appropriate games for there kids......

 

Egm: "your attempts to compensate victims of alleged game-related deaths have been unsuccessful (thank god) so far why do u think this is?"

 

Jack: lawyers tend to be to the Left of normal people and judges tend to be the left of the laywers.Federal judges tend to be to the left of them. so you have a bunch of first amendment absolutist who block these kinds of lawsuits state courts,however, are for more responsive to parents...I suppose federal judges by and large dont have a problem with mental molestation of children with murder simulators"

 

Me.I really dont know how to definie that stupidity but lets basically translate what he means by that "who cares if we dont have freedoms...video games are causing children to go violent.Lets take freedom away so the violence will go away all together everywhere"....the only thing i have to say to that is....ur opinion is just that a OPINION! and why does everyone of these wacko Freaks who bellieve there beliefs are everyone else's beliefs think that U must kill people in gta to play the game..u wanna go kill people go kill u dont then dont..make up ur mind shut up and enjoy it......(on a off note i am at 20000 kills and was at 6000 3 days ago..)

 

I already posted his apoligy to sadamm hussein...(he needs to get bitch slaped for that comment by the way)

 

Egm. "lets talk about this, isn't there a difference between traning and acting out"?

 

Jack. "a cyberterrorism expert has found that games such as thq's Full spectrum warrior. or full spectrum command as its known in the military,,is being used to al qaeda to train their troops. These games dont just each skills-they break down the inhibition to kill.we've been trained by society and out parents not to kill another person .so the way u breakt hat down is to put a soldier in a vr setting.which will be far more effective in the long run."

 

Me..So Al queda are now using x box's to learn how to kill???????? So then in his mind Playing a video game can be considered a act of wanting to do a 9-11...Isnt there something wrong with that type of thinking...

 

Egm:Mit's henry jenkins says many researchers dont buy the "monkey see,monkey do" hypothesis.

 

 

Jack. "if henry doesnt think education has an effect on anyone he should stop being a professor.You can modify behavior.The very same people like Dough Lowenstein who say games cant engourage anyone to do anything aer the same poeple who tend to get upset about tobacco ads because they encourage kids to smokoe.So why are matrue game advertisements shown on tv when x percentage of kids are in the audience? This is because ads for Grand theft auto san andreas may persuade them to buy games.and how is it that 10 hours of being immersed dinvolent behavoir doeesnt have an effect?Its nonsense to think otherwise...

 

Me..Well lets see so far i have 50 hours on san andreas 40000 kills all together with all three games.......People in real life i killed....0

 

Egm."but tens of millions of these gta games are sold and there are very very few reports of actual vioelnece assioacted with them.aren't the criminals just blaming a game as a scapegoat?arent other factors at play here??"

 

Jack."first of all.we dont know how many people have acted out vioelntly because of these games.but after i appered on good morning america.a gallop poll found 71 percent of all u.s. teenage boys who played vice city were twice as likely to have been engaged in ana ct of vioelnce.

also.aggresive behavior may be expressed verbally-not everyone goes "postal" or "columbine" there have been dozens of studies that showe ven short-term exposureof these games to teens has effect on vioelnce aggressiveness and bad behavior that goes from bad speech to killing people..its a wide spectrum.Videogames can be the final causal link in a chain of factors that can result in a Columbine"

 

Me..Well he's three for three on stupidity....

 

Egm "shouldnt parents-not goverment or game publishers-bear the responsibility to prevent that...(common sense right there way to go egm)

 

jack: "Both goverment and home have shoared responsibilities here.Parents are negligent in letting kids play these game for hours at a time.but even if we do everything right to keep a kid away from these games...his classmates are playing them.He cou7ld just play somewher else...wehave ana ggresive industry taking advantage of derelict parents parents.The whole youth Culture is immersed in this stuff."

 

Me..Yes video games are a popular area now since it has been proven time and time and time again that Playing video games can a...Improve ur hand eye cordination.

B.Depending if ur into rpg's You are reading quite a lot and are also having to think how u will get thorugh a battle.....c regardless of people's opinions it is something that is becoming bigger then the movie industry because of how well the games are being made today......Once we get this thought of lets go back to the 1400's we will all be better off...

 

Egm."Does your 12-year old son (poor kid) play videogames"

 

Jack: "Not anything above an E Rating..Many Teen games should be mature because our society is more desentized to violence.Gta 3, which helps other games push the envelope in violence.The bar has been raised.."

 

Me.Ok i read on another forum someone emailed thompson and said he had a child and blah blah blah...Thompson replied back with "Even E rated games have unacceptble levels of violence in them"

 

Yet he lets his 12 year old play E Rated games........

 

Egm: "but most games arent violent"

 

Jack: "yes i know dough lowentstein says most games arent violent but an increddible percentage of games that are sold are m-rated.There may be 41 Euchre (what the hell is that ) games and one gta.but what do you think the sales are like for each?this is how dough uses statistics."

 

Egm: "Do you play games?"

 

Jack: "I play them to the extent that i need to make Dvd copies of the killing scenes for presentations or court.Have I Played San Andreas? yes.

 

Egm: Jenkins claims youth violence has fallen as games rise in popularity how do you see a correlation between virtual vioelnce and real violence."

 

Jack: "Well. Let's look at deaths in and around schools.in 2004,there were 48 in number .In 2003,there were 16..In 2002. there were 17.YEs the death rate in which murderous acting have taken place has gone down.but there are other factors such as the shortening of ambulance response time.better medical techniquest,and so fourth....

 

me..he just rammbled on this one..not worth my breath..or typing...

 

Egm: "so whats next on the agenda for you?"

 

Jack: "a lawsuit regarding a multiple loss of life by a teenager who played vice city.We are going to sue videogamemanufacerers,plateform manufactureres and retailers like wal-mart,circuit city, and amazon sho wcontinue to sell adult-rated materials to children.We're going to sue the industry for its recklessness.for being so short-sighet.Eventually there is going to be a columbiine to the factor of 10.a slaughtyer in as chool by a crazed gamer.and when that happens when america figures out these kids werer filled up with virtual violence.COngress may ban the games alltogether.You wise guys who think ur so clever. about saying what kids out to play and then putting Mature games in the hands of those kids.you will wish u listened to me..

 

me...Once again teh same dumb sh*t in his website....

 

If u want i will post Henry Jenkins Part but this took a tole on my wrist so im gonna take a break for a bit....

 

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NeoSNightmarE

hes not too delusional.....

 

 

 

 

just totally insane on bullsh*t facts that arent even true.

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Kingjad

 

hes not too delusional.....

 

 

 

 

just totally insane on bullsh*t facts that arent even true.

Agreed!

 

Egm: "But how often do M-rated games end up in the hands of kids in stores"

 

fooking moron: Many stings have found that up to 50 percent of kids under 17 were sold M-rated games.and with 14-year-olds between 70 to 80 percent of them were able to buy titles like Grand theft auto san andreas.

 

And what percentage of those teens went on to commit murders because of that?

 

I'll be guessing a big fat round 0%!

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socalistoner

well i tried voicing my opinion to him on his Sadamm Hussein remark and he gave me the usual.."Listen to be Junior" crap...Wonder what he will say when he sees i told him wally george took over his body...

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Taste Of Chaos

imagine if he got caught playin gta, lol

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socalistoner

he would prolly say doug lowentstein and take two interactive and sony mentally molested him and made him turn it on...

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Taste Of Chaos

hehe yea that sounds about right, lol.gif

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socalistoner

well here is the beloved email i sent him and his reply

 

> the only question i have to ask is how dare u think u can say that doug

> lowenstein is worse then sadamm Hussein..How about this...Parents and Law

> enforcment and the goverment and of course you make everyone sit in a

> library and read a paper...they go near a game machine look at it as

murder

> and put them in Prison for 80 years...a 19 year old picks up a copy of

> Egm..have him locked up for reading a magazine...We dont do these things

> cause

>

> a.The stupidity there is too much.

>

> b. Like the courts have said Video games fall under the free speech

> catagory...and i also was reading in there that u let ur 12 year old play

e

> rated video games...why are u letting him play a Type of game with a E

> rating...Do you reallize the amount of violence in e rated games...yet u

> want to ban Games like Gta...Answer me this what is a adult Permitted to

do

> with his time since u seem to want to Run people's lifes like every other

> christian out there that thinks his belief is everyone's belief..I

> understand that you trying to grasp common sense if very complicated..But

> you should try it sometime...

 

I am not trying to say everysingle cristian is like that since i am sure there are religiosu people on here and if there are i apoligize if ur offended...but a good amount of people who are religious believe that the beliefs they hold are correct and are the law...

 

His reply

 

not interested, junior

 

 

so its basically If you want a good reply from him im guessing you say this....

 

"Mr thompson You are a great man please sir take away are freedoms for us.why should we as americans have the freedom of choice..Thank U Thank U sir"

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IeetGLOO

Notice how the guy is complaining about a video game, yet you can see the same crap on HBO. I think the whole video games make you kill ieais a TOTAL load of crap. What makes people kill is thier own rage/evil thoughts/mental illnesses. Seriously the only time a video game made me want to kill someone is when some moron distracted me while i was on the final level and lost. heh heh

 

 

I also mentioned to him the fact that Christianity has been responsible for violence for thousands of years...i guess i went too far insulting his "god".

 

ok thats just low. You dont just go around and insult peoples religions. Besides, maybe you should study some other religions as well before you just blame everything on Christians.

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MAcSandNinEs

Once again, Jack Thompson is a f*cking idiot. Say that five times fast.~M$&9$~

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Tril

People no matter what religion you are your religion has started

violence no matter what you say...

I really don't give a f*ck about your religion cuz they just force there beliefs...

 

 

What's this pricks email I feel like bitchin'...

He is the dumbest f*ck of all time...

They should put a ped that looks like him in the next GTA...

So you could kill him anyway you want...

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ogglock

 

Once again, Jack Thompson is a f*cking idiot. Say that five times fast.~M$&9$~

Jack Thompson is a f*cking idiotJack Thompson is a f*cking idiotJack Thompson is a f*cking idiotJack Thompson is a f*cking idiotJack Thompson is a f*cking idiot tounge.gif

 

 

imagine if he got caught playin gta, lol

Ha! He will just say "Someone exchanged my EC-rated(early childhood) disk with GTA!"

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I also mentioned to him the fact that Christianity has been responsible for violence for thousands of years...i guess i went too far insulting his "god".

 

ok thats just low. You dont just go around and insult peoples religions. Besides, maybe you should study some other religions as well before you just blame everything on Christians.

ok...i say something about christianity and insulting jack's god, and i get b#tched at, but another guy says something and nothing happens to him. i never insulted anyone's religion, He is a christian. I have never blamed everything on christianity. the fact is though, religon is the number 1 cause for violence and war. All Religion. I will stand by my words until i die.

 

Christianity has been the cause of violence for thousands of years. Catholicism too. Muslims. Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisiton, Hitler's embarassment at being a Jew himself. All of these are...ahem...religious causes of violence.

 

Don't accuse me of ignorance, i didn't insult you.

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Kingjad
Christianity has been the cause of violence for thousands of years. Catholicism too. Muslims. Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisiton, Hitler's embarassment at being a Jew himself. All of these are...ahem...religious causes of violence.

 

Don't accuse me of ignorance, i didn't insult you.

He's got a point, ya know. Look at Ireland, for example. Hell, all I gotta do is take a short walk outside my house and violence through religion is living stronger than ever thanks to football - yes, Celtic are a Catholic team and Rangers are a Protestant team, and through this there's a hatred that stems further than any footballing history could conjur up. To involve religious hatred and make it a footballing event is now commonplace and happens at least 4 times a season when both teams get to kick the living sh*t outta each other, and their fans do too.

 

So yeah, religion = a main cause of violence.

 

Jack Thompson is the most annoying sonofabitch I've ever had the misfortune to send an email to and I'm sorry I wasted my time talking to him. He's a one-sided ego-centric out-for-himself arrogant prick who doesn't listen to reason and instead has dollar-signs flash in his eyes every time he hears that a 17 year-old kid murdered someone.

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socalistoner

WEll...Lets have a bbq.gif since in the article it said that he is taking another case now for a kid who played vice city (he's persistant aint he) and they are suing wal mart (again) and circuit city and amazon..Lol

 

If i can find it on google i will post it..

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ftkcarl

i sent him 2 emails with polite questions and got a nice reply

 

".....so i dont need anyone else f*cking bothering me"

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socalistoner

he wont reply with a polite answer unless u agree with everything he says u dont question any of it and you beg him to take away every ounce of freedom we have as americans...its all good though NeoSNightmare is iin the process of Letting the bar know what his problem is and let them be aware of his threats so Jack will soon get what is coming to him...

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Philtheonearmedbandit

The irony of this whole thing is that Jack Thompson's arguments make him sound like one of the raving lunatics on the talk radio stations in any of the GTA games.

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socalistoner

Lmao....Ya me and my roomie decided that he is a lot like pastor Richards

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leper73

Nice job, please post the Henry Jenkins part (I'd love to see those two square off in an actual debate). Can you copy and paste instead, there were a lot of typos when you transcribed the last part.

 

What's this about NeoSNightmare bringing up issues with the bar? If we can get him disbarred, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

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Tril

Ok...

I just came up with this wierd theory about this guy...

What if he isn't as much of a dork as we think?

What if Rockstar hired him to be an idiot and talk alot of crap just

to create controversy? So more people would buy there games so

they would know what he was talking about... Or so they could

realize themselves this guy is just crazy... So therefor earning

Rockstar a little extra money... It's crazy but it's not that far

fetched, I mean if you had chance to earn a little extra money

wouldn't you?

 

Maybe I'm just crazy but just think about it before you reply

to what I said...

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