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Dublo 7

If Aliens came to Earth

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Dublo 7

Ok, I was just talking the other day with some mates about Aliens etc. And we were talking about what would happen to religion if Aliens were actually proven to exist.

Firstly, Christians believe that God created the Earth, and its inhabitants. So if Aliens were proven to exist, who would have made them?

Surely there isnt anything in the bible about God creating Aliens. So what would Christians say about where the Aliens came from?

I dunno, I just think its a rather interesting topic. I think religion would lose a sh*tload of credibilty (even more than it has now).

 

 

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ganja_man_biatch
no matter wut, religious ppl will believe that god created all forms of life, even though it may not have been stated in the bible that god created aliens. but wut if those same aliens believe in a god too jus like ours?

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Dublo 7
no matter wut, religious ppl will believe that god created all forms of life, even though it may not have been stated in the bible that god created aliens. but wut if those same aliens believe in a god too jus like ours?

Ah, very interesting. So perhaps these aliens will join the christian religion. Hehe.

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Tryst

Not all religions belive that a god created all life, budism I belive doesn't even belive in a god. It belives in being reborn and sh*t, where you keep getting reborn until you've learned everything there is to learn and have a happy life. Then you reach nirvana, at least thats how I belive it goes.

 

As for aliens comming to earth, not only could it destroy religion it could also boost it in ways. If the aliens were advanced enough to create life, and they just so happened to of created our life then they would be god to some. This idea has been brushed up some in the video game Starcraft, if you look into the protoss history you'll see.

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Barbaneez

The majority of Christians who believe in UFOs and the existance of "aliens" actually think that the aliens are demons whom will at the end of the world, help reak havoc along with Satan and the Anti-Christ. Some Christians that believe in aliens believe they could be "Nephilims", which were giant-sized humans, as mentioned in the Bible.

 

Most Christians that I know of or have met completely think that alien life is false. Or if there is anything, it's not "demonic" and it's simply another form of life, as our own.

 

Who knows.

 

Did anybody catch that ABC/Peter Jennings UFO show?

The end of it portrayed a huge UFO going over a NYC-type city and people flocking everywhere. Hopefull if there is something out there, they would not come in fear.

 

I'll believe in them when I have proof.

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spoof

I wouldn’t think it would make the slightest bit of difference.

 

Religion has always been based on faith more than it has objective reality.

 

 

Surely there isnt anything in the bible about God creating Aliens. So what would Christians say about where the Aliens came from?

 

“God” didn’t write the Bible, many people did over the course of around a 100 years.

 

People with subjective “faith” will always (attempt to) rationalise matters in terms of such subjective faith. I’m sure the various religious institutions of the world, if aliens were to make themselves known, would all have a subjectively rational explanation as to why such an occurrence didn’t detract from the “truth” that they espoused wink.gif

 

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Krelian

Religion based on faith? I disagree... while it may have started that way, these days it seems to be based on nothing more than tradition and superstition and providing reassurance for those who can't form their own opinions about the way things are.

 

Faith, at least in the sense I'm familiar with, is at least something that a person comes up with themselves, as opposed to religious beliefs that are given to (or forced on) them from an external source. From my perspective, faith can be a good thing if it's firmly grounded in truth (rather than blindly opposing the facts)

 

You're right though, religions would easily adapt, whether they claimed aliens were demons or angels or anything in between. The key difference between religious methods and scientific ones is in how theories about the way things are come to be. Religions start with the conclusions first, in the form of "absolute truths" and work backwards towards reality to try and make everything fit, while science does (or at least should do) the opposite: start with the facts and use logical reasoning to come to some sort of a conclusion. Religion is an attempt to make some concept mesh with the facts, while science is an attempt to discover the concept behind them.

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spoof

Apologies, sometimes I tend to speak generically.

 

 

Perhaps if I substituted “religion” for a means whereby the few are able to control and historically indoctrinate the many; and “faith” for a prompted subjective perception- then things may make more sense wink.gif

 

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Krelian

Much more biggrin.gif I'd say that's a textbook definition of religion too, though faith tends to be a little harder to pin down.

 

Religion is scary... but then most people don't like thinking for themselves.

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MissileDefender

You never know, Maybe we could find out from them who created us, And their own religions if any

 

 

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TheUtero
Well for me, I am a pretty strong believer in my religion, which is Christian. So when I come across questions like these, I just think of it as an invalid question, like I would compare it to "what if humans could fly?" They just can't, end of story. I'm not trying to make anyone stop questioning things or believe what I believe, I'm just saying that when it comes down to it, I believe there are no aliens and there never will be any aliens coming to Earth to make us question our religions. It is pretty interesting debating things like this though, I could go on for hours talking about this.

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Tryst

If you simply stating that aliens don't exist then what is the point of the rest of the universe? Is it just pretty scenery for our insignificant little planet?

Are you saying that in the vastness of the universe there is no possiblility of life? I simply can not belive that, because it is quite impossible.

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Brown Streak RR

I believe that if aliens do exist (which is likely, don't get me wrong), that religion will be an insignificant issue. It would take a sidestep to those such as technology, etc.

 

Even if we met other intelligent lifeforms, I doubt we would have to question our religion. Revise it, maybe. But certainly not throw everything we know down the tubes. I mean, who knows?

 

 

All I know is that this little insignificant green and blue planet still thinks it's cool with its Digital Watches. lol.gif

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Eviscero
Well for me, I am a pretty strong believer in my religion, which is Christian. So when I come across questions like these, I just think of it as an invalid question, like I would compare it to "what if humans could fly?" They just can't, end of story. I'm not trying to make anyone stop questioning things or believe what I believe, I'm just saying that when it comes down to it, I believe there are no aliens and there never will be any aliens coming to Earth to make us question our religions. It is pretty interesting debating things like this though, I could go on for hours talking about this.

Apparently not if your answer is, "There just aren't aliens. End of story."

 

 

Speaking from a probablity viewpoint, it's near impossible for us to be alone, considering the vastness of the universe and the expanse of our planet.

 

That's not to say anything about the intelligence level of other life, but assuming that life is a characteristic of the universe, it is rather unlikely that it only appears once.

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PyroHazard
The nutjobs would most likely strap bombs on themselves and try to blow up aliens in the name of god. It would be better if the aliens zapped the sh*t out of the nutjobs. The world would be a better place.

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TheUtero

Well considering the facts so far, there are no aliens. You can say all the probability sh*t you want but as of now, there are no aliens. These are all theories about there being other intelligent lifeforms out there, but until they are proven, they are just theories. You can believe what you want, and I will believe what I want, but in the end, we are merely believing in our own theories until they are proven.

 

If the universe is so large that it is impossible for there NOT to be any aliens. Why haven't we seen any yet? Or why haven't they discovered us yet? If there is such a big chance of there being aliens, isn't there also that same big chance of there being many different aliens and having at least one form of them discovering us or being discovered?

 

EDIT: Not everything has a specific purpose in life, for instance, what is an appendix for? It serves no purpose, yet it is a part of human beings. Just because there are other planets, it doesn't mean they are there for a reason, maybe you are correct in that they are there for scenery afterall.

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Tryst

No extraterestrial lifeforms have discovered us simply for the fact that the universe is so vastly large. Even with increadibly advanced technology nothing will ever be able to just zip to one point in the universe to the other.

I'm not saying that we'll never see the extraterestrials, but they are there none the less.

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TheUtero

If it's so possible to have many different aliens out there, how do you know they don't have the technology to get to Earth? You are basing your opinion off the only lifeform you know, which is us. We have already traveled to the moon, how do you know "aliens" are at the same point in technology as us?

 

I am saying that if there is such a huge possibility of aliens out there due to the universe being so equally huge, then there must be the same large possibility of them having a far more advanced technology that would've already enabled them to travel to Earth.

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dirtysanchez

There are aliens...

 

I have seen them...

 

One day we will be tehr slaves...

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D Jones

I'm a Christan and believe in Aliens.

 

It's really weird how it would work out. I would find it confusing as hell. Why would Aliens just want to start living here anyways?

 

@Whoever said something about a UFO flying over new york: I believe it was flying over Arizona, and yes, it was real.

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dirtysanchez
It's really weird how it would work out. I would find it confusing as hell.

they come into your room during the night and poke at you with sticks...

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Tryst
I am saying that if there is such a huge possibility of aliens out there due to the universe being so equally huge, then there must be the same large possibility of them having a far more advanced technology that would've already enabled them to travel to Earth.

Sure there is an enormous possibility to have a much higher form of technology, but it’s an incredibly vast universe even with the absolutely best technology you couldn't find our little planet with out actually knowing where it was. Also, to get to any point in the universe in a decent amount of time you'd have to be moving faster than the speed of light.

Light always travels at a speed of 299,792,458 meters per second

 

Put this kind of speed into context read this.

 

 

Supernova 1987a occurred in a "nearby" galaxy called the Large Magellanic Cloud (adjacent figure). Its light was observed on earth in 1987, but the distance to the Large Magellanic Cloud is about 190,000 light years. Thus, we normally say that Supernova 1987a occurred in 1987, but it really happened about 190,000 years earlier; only in 1987 did the light of the explosion reach the earth! If we want to know what the Large Magellanic Cloud looks like "now", we will have to wait 190,000 years.

 

Think about how long it would take for anything to get across its own galaxy, much less across the universe.

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timmy2004

Maybe god is the alien that created us all.

 

Just while this topic is up; another thing I've thought about:

No one could of created the universe, because you would need to exist as matter (actual living particles) to be in the universe while creating it. This is not posible because you need the universe so that you can exist. So maybe 'god' is like a special spirit or of some other form that is not actually an existant in the universe when he created it.

 

Now the only question left; who created god?

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Gta Gamer.
I am saying that if there is such a huge possibility of aliens out there due to the universe being so equally huge, then there must be the same large possibility of them having a far more advanced technology that would've already enabled them to travel to Earth.

It's alright to have the means to travel lightyears, but to be able to find Earth would be a whole different matter.

I believe just recently Scientists thought they might have discovered another galaxy "near" ours.

Considering that we've only just been able to see past the Milky Way, after billions of years, mind, the chance of there been another form of life out there able to completely pinpoint our position in the Universe is remote.

And even then, why would they want to come here if they're so advanced?

 

@timmy: Here's another one for ya: Maybe God is everything we see, touch, feel, taste and hear. Hmm, comprehend that.

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TheUtero

Now the only question left; who created god?

The way I approach this question is by saying that "beginnings" and "ends" were created by humans. We humans think there is a start to something for everything we know. Like people being born, when this happened, when that happened... we're all based off history. The way I see it is that in terms of God, there is no true "beginning." God was just always there. I know that's kinda hard to comprehend but that's just how I view that whole "who created God?" issue. There just never was a "true beginning" of time. Think about it this way... if there was a start to "time" then when does it end? If everything has to have a "start" and "end," then when does time end? That's why I think God has always been existent.

 

As for the aliens thing, I do understand that the universe is so huge that it would be difficult for aliens, if there were any, to be able to even get to Earth or be able to find it. I just think that there is still a bit of bias when it comes to others' technologies compared to ours. Who would of thought that humans could go from stumbling upon the concept of fire to the ability to instantly send messages across the entire planet? That would seem obsurd to someone living in B.C. times wouldn't it? I mean, you've all seen Star Trek at one time or another, they got all that warping speed or whatever to be able to travel across space in seconds. Couldn't that be possible? I know it seems unrealistic, but that's the thing, it's unrealistic to our standards. We only have one example of technology to base our beliefs on.

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Tryst

Sure, we can't possibly belive how much more increadibly advanced some of the technology is out there. But what we can do, is realize how increadibly f*cking vast the universe is. Refer to my post above to see how long it takes for light to get anywhere.

 

According to the Einstein's Theory of Relativity, nothing in our universe can exceed the velocity of light; thus, it is a kind of cosmic speed limit against which all other velocities may be measured.

To move fast enough to get anywhere in a decent amount of time is quite impossible, according to our research. Moving isn't the only problem to take into account, you must also be able to somehow avoid hitting planets. And moving at the increadibly high velocityies "Warp Speed" depicts, your going to need some increadibly accurate calculations to avoid the planets. Or some kind of technology that doesn't blow the planet and your ship to smithereens.

 

Another thing that I've heard before, that I'm unsure as if its true. I've heard that the faster you go you gain mass and with the more mass the faster your going to have to go creating more and more mass, making it virtualy impossible to go as you've said "Warp Speed" again;

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TheUtero

I'm curious, do you believe that there is another planet out there just like ours that is a million light years away but are thinking about the same things we are, in terms of aliens?

 

I understand that the universe has many planets and is very vast like you said, I just believe that Earth is unique and has life. I can see other planets having rocks, some having water, some not, but I just think Earth is unique and has the only form of life in the universe. I mean, other planets may have different elements that are completely new to Earth. This is of course just based off my belief in my religion so I really have no way of proving it. So until we see an alien ourselves or die and find out the truth ourselves for some of us, I don't know what is correct and what isn't. Good points though tryst.

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D Jones
I'm curious, do you believe that there is another planet out there just like ours that is a million light years away but are thinking about the same things we are, in terms of aliens?

 

I understand that the universe has many planets and is very vast like you said, I just believe that Earth is unique and has life. I can see other planets having rocks, some having water, some not, but I just think Earth is unique and has the only form of life in the universe. I mean, other planets may have different elements that are completely new to Earth. This is of course just based off my belief in my religion so I really have no way of proving it. So until we see an alien ourselves or die and find out the truth ourselves for some of us, I don't know what is correct and what isn't. Good points though tryst.

Well, I guess your saying is what if they're other humans out there in the universe thinking what we are? Possibly but I doubt it, I think it would be really interesting to see something like that. But I think we are not only and we are probably not, if you look at all of the interviews of people who have seen "abductions", "ufo's or just Aliens walking within us then thats probably your proof.

 

If anybody watches the Discovery Channel they had a great show called "Alien Planet" and it was very interesting, next time anybody see's it on I suggest to watch it. I just like how scienstist can "Predict" what Aliens look like. Oddly, all they shown were Animal Aliens not big-headed green Aliens we see or hear about in our daily life.

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Asmodeus

I think the real question is: In the event of a full-scale Alien invasion, how prepared are this planet's defenses?

 

 

Probably zilch. Maybe we could nuke a couple, but I think it'd be a last resort.

 

tounge.gif

 

Anyways, back to the question at hand: Perhaps they'd set up their own religion.

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Mark }{

I believe that there is another form of life outside of our galaxy somewhere. To think that in the vast expanses of the whole universe, and we're the only life in it, is to be ignorant in my opinion. Do I think we'll ever actually encounter these life forms, not a chance. Our technology will never break the scientific limts of the universe, and it shouldn't either. We have been given the limits we have so that we can wonder, and ponder about what lies beyond our galaxy. We were never meant to actually find out, just wonder about it.

 

 

If we ever do encounter other life forms, I doubt it will be under friendly circumstances. Although it might start as trading culture, and finding out more about eachother, it will end in some sort of war. Many of us will probably resort to racist comments, and begin driving the alien life away. They'll begin to push back, and the downfall of earth will begin. I doubt Armageddon will happen with godly creatures, but rather, it will occur with alien life forms. If you'll notice, many of the creatures in the history of religion, are something unbelieveable. They're creatures with 10 heads, they're vile creatures, who only wish to overtake the good. They're got horns, have weird skin colors, and ultimately come out of no where. If you ask me, that sounds a lot like an alien invasion. Maybe its just me, but that may be the true "Armageddon". Not hell against heaven, but rather Earth against another planet.

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