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Dublo 7

Bin Laden denied he was guilty for 9/11

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Hooded

 

How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

 

Yes. They are two of the most famous and recognizeable landmarks ever built on this planet.

 

But when your in the cockpit of a Boeing a fair way away from your destination are you gonna be looking out the window for a building? Planes like that rely on instrumental flying such as very high frequency omni directional range (VOR).

 

 

On another note try too keep an open mind man, we're debating not argueing.

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Eviscero

Flight 175

 

The hijack did not occur until a point at which a passenger on the left side of the plane would have had a clear view of the Twin Towers. From this point on, it was easy to navigate the airplane by this obvious landmark – and target.

 

 

 

Flight 11

 

The planned route of this flight would bypass Lower Manhattan at a distance of at least 100 miles; in even slightly hazy conditions the hijackers knew that they couldn't count on a view of their target. Instead, they planned in advance to use the Hudson River as their landmark and fly right down its valley to their target. As this valley is easy to find and follow, the hijackers didn't need to keep the legitimate pilots around beyond the climbout period – and thus they took control of the plane at an earlier stage than the hijackers of UAL 175 did.

 

 

Flight 77

 

A pilot on the ground was quoted as saying that the plane was in a power-dive when it hit the ground. In other words, the hijacker-pilot had spotted his target and was accelerating toward it. In the case of a plane of this size, it is a great deal easier to navigate a plane straight and level into a tall building, as happened at the World Trade Center, than it is to crash precisely into a target close to the ground. The hijacker guiding AL 77 was more than likely intending to bring the plane down onto the Pentagon itself, which would have resulted in far greater devastation. There has been some speculation in the media that the Pentagon was not the intended target of this plane. From the air, the Pentagon is a very visible landmark, which the hijackers could be certain of finding and targeting quite easily. Given the ease of targeting the Pentagon and its role as the center of the United States military, I don’t think there is any reason to assume that it was not the target. If the plane was indeed accelerating as it hit, this would tend to support the contention that the Pentagon was the intended target.

 

 

The only one of these that isn't extremely obvious is Flight 77. Washington D.C. would not have been hard to find, and as the Pentagon is quite visible and identifiable from the air, it's not absurd to think that they didn't need very articulate instructions to crash into it.

 

 

 

 

There's a big difference between having an open mind and acting like a pompous ass. I've answered every question extremely in depth. The evidence is overwhelming in my favor, yet you don't side with me. There's no explanation.

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MissileDefender

No you havnt answered any questions correctly

 

How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

 

So your saying, i could leave my house, and walk straight to WTC sight and the Pentagon? confused.gif

Just because theyre reconizable doesnt mean they can be found, you completly went around my question dozingoff.gif

 

And your explaining the "Pancake" Theiroy for the collapse of the towers

 

BUT, Your dead wrong, If you watch the collapse of the South tower, Youll notice it completly breaks off, The majourity of it landed on Building 4

 

 

Why the secrecy on the Pentagon Secruity video?

 

What secrecy? The key frames have been released and analyzed.

 

Wrong, We never saw a plane in those images, We saw the Pentagon one second, and a growing fireball the next, So your wrong on that 1 buddy lol.gif

 

The offical report says the plane "Flew inches from the ground"

If they say that, Then it must be true

 

 

You completely contradicted yourself in claiming that nobody saw the plane, and then questioning a man who said he saw the plane. If you want to claim that it is impossible for anyone to have seen the plane then you are clearly in need of some help. If you want to discredit every eye witness based on planes' "littrally deafening" characteristic, then you're out of your mind. Even deaf people can identify planes, jackass.

 

 

Nope, Wrong again, Maybe you didnt understand my question dozingoff.gif

How could he be certain it was a plane, When its travelling at 400MPH, Deafining, And the vibration would cause your liqud in your eyes to vibrate, Therefore making you close your Eyes!

 

So if a RPG say, Flew past you, Ud be able to say "Thats an RPG!" Even though a RPG goes slower than a plane...

 

How can the steel melt in tempertures that didnt exsist, There was No flames in the photos

How do steel grates with stand years of intesnce heat?

 

Building 7 was one of the Most strongest buildings in the world

If you seen the Pics of Steel colums inside that Buidling, Youd realize a fire would not even damage it

And for the fire that was there? By the way, How did fire randomly start in that floor?

Why did the Penthouse collapse

 

Also, The laws of Chemisty do not allow a plane crash to have White flames, Its impossible dozingoff.gif

Try watching a chemistry Vid on that stuff

 

 

Why were there no flames in the Impact crater?

 

There probably were. Not many people happened to be standing in that vacant field at the time to take pictures though.

 

Im sorry, You completly skipped that out... I asked why were there no flames, Not about were people were standing

If there was "raging" flames inside, Capible of destorying steel, Wouldnt we see a Glow atleast?

 

 

Why were people still alive in the Impact crater in WTC?

 

Lucky I guess. It doesn't prove anything to support your case at all. What do you think it means? If the government blew up the buildings they probably wouldn't hire actors to hide at the bottom of a rubble pile until found...

 

Yeah, True there, Lucky... Makes loads of sence dozingoff.gif

What was it? 800-2500 Degrees for a Jet crash? So what your saying is, Its capible of destorying 100% Steel, But not Human life?

 

Whats more amazing is she seemed to have "Walked" to the side of the building, Where she was seen on that Picture

If what your saying is correct, She walked through Aprox. 1100 Degrees flames, Without burning her cloths, Or dieing

 

 

If you're referring to Popular Mechanics as some sort of biased news source then you're out of your f*cking mind. This isn't fox or ABC or NBC. This is an independent news source that gets profits from ads.

 

 

Oh yes, Right, They actually seen it from the inside? On the other hand there was a row of blasts of dust coming out the side of the building, Just before it collapsed sarcasm.gif

 

PS. Dont be making YOURSELF look an ass by taking a fit, n calling me, An "illiterate piece of sh*t" or "a jackass" or referring to my questions as retarded confused.gif

 

They are perfectly good questions, But not very good answers i see whatsthat.gif

 

And im an idiot? By showing you these points, What other reasons is there fore these points ive proven?

Your embarrasing yourself...

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Dublo 7

What I find is really funny is that they say 7 out of 8 black boxes were destroyed. However these black boxes can take up to 2000 degrees of heat, and is made of the strongest alloy known to humans. However, the feds said they found a passport on the ground that belonged to one of the 'terrorists'.

How the f*ck could a paper passport survive an inferno like that, and the black boxes dont?

 

Who the f*ck writes this stuff?

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Eviscero

You think there's a government conspiracy too?

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Magephil
You think there's a government conspiracy too?

...or you could just address his arguments and refute them...

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Dublo 7
You think there's a government conspiracy too?

Yeah, can you explain what I said above?

 

The feds then later said "Oh no, there was no Passport"

 

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Eviscero
You think there's a government conspiracy too?

...or you could just address his arguments and refute them...

I don't really find "dublo_7" to be a credible source. Maybe if he posted a credible news source reporting such events I'd take the time to do so. Until then, I take him as quite a joke.

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Dublo 7
You think there's a government conspiracy too?

...or you could just address his arguments and refute them...

I don't really find "dublo_7" to be a credible source. Maybe if he posted a credible news source reporting such events I'd take the time to do so. Until then, I take him as quite a joke.

What in your opinion would be a credible source?

 

That intervew was actually from Ummat Magazine. It was then printed on the internet. It did not begin on the internet.

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Eviscero

I'm not going to respond to your conspiracy claims without some resources shown. I certainly don't take your word for it. Post a link or be quiet.

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Dublo 7

 

I'm not going to respond to your conspiracy claims without some resources shown.  I certainly don't take your word for it.  Post a link or be quiet.

Me be quiet?

Why don't you get the f*ck out of this thread. Go read your little "Official" 9/11 Commission report.

 

I have given you sources, but you keep shutting them down sayin "er yeah, bullsh*t blah blah blah". I honestly dont know what source I could give you that would be credible to you.

f*ck.

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Eviscero

One that doesn't have "BUSHISABIGGAYIDIOTFAGJERKMURDERER" in its address would be nice.

 

When you rejoin reality let me know.

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ChibiMAK
How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

 

So your saying, i could leave my house, and walk straight to WTC sight and the Pentagon? confused.gif

Just because theyre reconizable doesnt mean they can be found, you completly went around my question dozingoff.gif

Obviously terrorists who were planning these attacks months, possibly years, in advance, may have managed to look up the locations of their intended targets? I mean, while they were taking flight lessons and studying security procedures at airports, they couldn't have possibly bothered to find the time to look up the adress to the pentagon notify.gif

 

Seriously though, this thread is very obnoctious, and clearly this guy isn't going to let facts, or even common sense stand in their way of what he reads off of "Independant" websites... like http://www.nogw.com/

 

and learn some english too.. maybe it will help you decifer some of what was already clearly explained to you.

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Erm, Evi, not to reign on your parade, but do a google search man. The official story does state that the FBI found Mohammed Atta's passport two blocks away from the WTC less than a week after the collapse. The official story also originally stated (for many months) that all 8 of the black boxes were destroyed utterly. Even the black boxes from the planes that hit the pentagon and crashed in a field were destroyed. Black boxes are designed to withstand heat of up to 2,000 degrees fahrenheit for one hour, salt water for at least 30 days, immersion in a variety of liquids such as jet fuel and lubricants, and an impact of 3,400 G's. The reason they are used is because 3,400 G's is MUCH higher than any plane will ever encounter given their mass and top speed. Plus there are two per plane, just in case.

 

This is all news that was broadcast even over here in Australia, and I've seen it crop up all over the net, on "conspiracy" sites AND official sites. I hadn't heard that one of the black boxes survived, probably because over here us Australians stopped giving a sh!t a few months after it all happened. But even if one of the black boxes did survive, that still means 7 were destroyed, and yet passports and training manuals from the planes survived. ¬_¬

 

Now, in my opinion, and I've read many, many sources on this crap, there is simply no fvcking way the official story stands up to any educated scrutiny. I don't buy all that "illuminati" or "zionists" conspiracy sh!t - I'm more inclined to believe it was simply a bunch of rich and powerful assholes wanting to get richer and more powerful - but I do know that the official story is horsesh!t. The buildings simply could not have collapsed by the impact of the planes and resulting fires. There is no fvcking way it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon. The wreckage from the plane that crashed into a field was spread far too widely to be an impact with the ground, and was almost certainly from an explosion in mid-air. All the "evidence" on the terrorists is far too convenient and contrived, and seven of the 19 supposed hijackers are still alive and well and most have never been to America. All the crucial evidence (like I dunno, the steel beams maybe, or perhaps the lawn in front of the Pentagon) was conveniently disposed of before investigators could inspect it.

 

I could go on, but I won't.

 

Now, to the original topic starter, about Bin Laden denying he was guilty for 9/11, I don't think anyone should draw any conclusions from that alone. I agree that it is unlikely that, if Bin Laden WAS responsible, he would deny it. Consider that he has NO REASON to deny his responsibility. He KNOWS that Americans won't believe him. He was ALREADY on the FBI's top 10 wanted list. By denying it he gains nothing. If he WAS guilty, and admitted it, then he would gain the credit and hero-worship from other terrorists for the attack. If he WAS guilty, then if he denied such, he would be losing face in front of his terrorist brethren, in a pathetic and doomed attempt to avoid blame and avoid persecution.

 

In fact, just look at this table of possibilities:

 

IF HE IS GUILTY

---Admits guilt: Tells truth, gains respect from colleagues, gains infamy, revels in his victory, America hunts him down (and fails miserably).

---Denies guilt: Lies, oses respect of peers, America hunts him down (and fails miserably).

 

IF HE IS NOT GUILTY

---Admits guilt: Lies, gains infamy, America hunts him down (and fails miserably).

---Denies guilt: Tells the truth, America hunts him down (and fails miserably).

 

Now, this might be hard for you guys to accept, but Bin Laden doesn't hate Americans because he is evil. He hates Americans because he thinks they are evil. Got it? He believes he is doing good by fighting his holy war for his religious and moral beliefs. In his eyes, the Americans are debaucherous, greedy, unholy pigs who are so fvcked up and evil that it is his divine duty to destroy them. He's a zealot.

 

Given this, is it more likely that he would lie about attacking America in a futile attempt to save his ass? Or is it more likely that he would tell the truth, given his strong conviction that he is in the right and it is the Americans who are evil? If this is too hard for you to comprehend, just imagine that Bin Laden captured you, and was going to kill you if you admitted to hating him and wanting him dead or captured, but he'd also kill you if you admitted to liking him and wanting him to be saved. Which side would you take, if the end result was the same either way? That's exactly the position he is in. Whether he admits guilt or not, the American FBI will hunt him down.

 

If you have any capacity for logic and/or seeing things from another's perspective, then it's far more likely that Bin Laden would tell the truth regardless of whether he was guilty or not. As he denied that he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, it is thus more likely that he is, in fact, not guilty.

 

Now, I'm not saying that this is irrefutable proof of his innocence, I'm just saying that this is the most accurate way of looking at this particular aspect of the situation in isolation from the rest of the official evidence. Evidence which, as I've mentioned, is largely completely full of sh!t.

 

And yeah, Evi, not to put you down or anything, but instead of posting several two line replies to the effect of "show me" or "prove it" or "NANANANA I'm not listening", perhaps you could do a few google searches (it'll take 5 minutes, tops), and find the sources yourself. That way, you can decide which you will find acceptable and which you will not, and other posters don't have to play the guessing game by pulling out sources in the hope that one of them passes you tests. It would make for much tidier discussion and debate, without endless futile two line posts. You're often quite good at arguing, when you choose to take the time to do it. colgate.gif

 

 

Seriously though, this thread is very obnoctious, and clearly this guy isn't going to let facts, or even common sense stand in their way of what he reads off of "Independant" websites... like http://www.nogw.com/

 

and learn some english too.. maybe it will help you decifer some of what was already clearly explained to you.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

It's spelled "obnoxious", and "decipher". Also, when you start to refer to someone in the singular (this guy) it becomes confusing when you then switch to the plural (their), especially when you flip back again to the singular (he), all within the same sentence.

 

Additionally, every new sentence should begin with a capitalized letter, and it appears in your last sentence, that your colon fell over. Not to mention various grammatical errors concerning word choice. I'm sure that in order to be grammatically correct (which I assume was your intention), your sentence should read: "And learn some English too: it might help you decipher some of that which has already been clearly explained to you."

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Dublo 7

Thank you Mortukai.

However he will probably ask for credible links for that official information.

 

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dirtysanchez
How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

 

So your saying, i could leave my house, and walk straight to WTC sight and the Pentagon?  confused.gif

Just because theyre reconizable doesnt mean they can be found, you completly went around my question  dozingoff.gif

Obviously terrorists who were planning these attacks months, possibly years, in advance, may have managed to look up the locations of their intended targets? I mean, while they were taking flight lessons and studying security procedures at airports, they couldn't have possibly bothered to find the time to look up the adress to the pentagon notify.gif

 

Seriously though, this thread is very obnoctious, and clearly this guy isn't going to let facts, or even common sense stand in their way of what he reads off of "Independant" websites... like http://www.nogw.com/

 

and learn some english too.. maybe it will help you decifer some of what was already clearly explained to you.

The thing with conspiracy theorists is, no matter what evidence you show them or how credibe a source it comes from they always have a handy counter...

 

they can simply claim that your evidence is part of the conspiracy and comes from a government controlled source...

 

its all part of the conspiracy...

 

cuz they say so...

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MissileDefender
The official story does state that the FBI found Mohammed Atta's passport two blocks away from the WTC less than a week after the collapse

Of course they did

Doesnt mean he was on the flight

 

Funny that the FBI were looking 2 blocks for a small bit of paper

Bear in mind, The streets were WHITE with dust, And the fact that over a million other bits of paper rained down over NY....

 

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Dublo 7
The official story does state that the FBI found Mohammed Atta's passport two blocks away from the WTC less than a week after the collapse

Of course they did

Doesnt mean he was on the flight

 

Funny that the FBI were looking 2 blocks for a small bit of paper

Bear in mind, The streets were WHITE with dust, And the fact that over a million other bits of paper rained down over NY....

 

user posted image

Yeah.

 

Also, in that "confession" tape, "Bin laden" is writing with his right hand (he is according to the FBIs wanted list 'left handed'). He is also wearing gold rings and a gold watch (which is a strict no no in Islam).

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Hooded

If anyone knows any links too Bin Laden's tapes I'd love to see them.

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Dublo 7
If anyone knows any links too Bin Laden's tapes I'd love to see them.

I will get you a link asap...

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Hooded
If anyone knows any links too Bin Laden's tapes I'd love to see them.

I will get you a link asap...

Thanks man.

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Eviscero

Look, I'll be the first one to admit I don't have an answer to every question in the world (IE the time to google said answers). What I will say though is that the evidence is FAR more in favor of a few mishaps on the part of the US government rather than the US government committing one of the most horrible crimes against humanity ever. Therefore, I'll side with reason.

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Swarz

While there are far too many conspiracy theories on 9/11 for me to address them all, I'll simply add my log to the fire.

 

Prior to 9/11, Rumsfeld authored a report detailing the US going abroad and forcing regime change in a number of middle-eastern countries on the basis that they supported world-wide terrorism. However, he also wrote that this could not be carried out unless the USA suffered some kind of large scale terror attack on their home territory.

 

Short time later - 9/11. Draw what conclusions you will from that.

 

 

 

(Source: Think it was 'Blair's Wars' by John Kampfner, but not entirely certain. Will find out if anyone is interested)

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Dublo 7
Look, I'll be the first one to admit I don't have an answer to every question in the world (IE the time to google said answers). What I will say though is that the evidence is FAR more in favor of a few mishaps on the part of the US government rather than the US government committing one of the most horrible crimes against humanity ever. Therefore, I'll side with reason.

I would like to believe that it was all done by some flight school dropouts. But I cant. There are just too many anomalies, and too many lies which cause a sh*tload of questions.

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Eviscero

Questions without any conclusive answers in your favor. I know everyone hates the two liners, but they're better than books worth of selective facts and bullsh*t.

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Hooded
Look, I'll be the first one to admit I don't have an answer to every question in the world (IE the time to google said answers). What I will say though is that the evidence is FAR more in favor of a few mishaps on the part of the US government rather than the US government committing one of the most horrible crimes against humanity ever. Therefore, I'll side with reason.

That's what conspiracies are all about.

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Look, I'll be the first one to admit I don't have an answer to every question in the world (IE the time to google said answers).  What I will say though is that the evidence is FAR more in favor of a few mishaps on the part of the US government rather than the US government committing one of the most horrible crimes against humanity ever.  Therefore, I'll side with reason.

That's what conspiracies are all about.

Not siding with reason? confused.gif

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MissileDefender
Look, I'll be the first one to admit I don't have an answer to every question in the world (IE the time to google said answers).  What I will say though is that the evidence is FAR more in favor of a few mishaps on the part of the US government rather than the US government committing one of the most horrible crimes against humanity ever.  Therefore, I'll side with reason.

That's what conspiracies are all about.

Erm... Remember what ive constandly said.. Im not putting this as a conspicary theory... Im only putting together the facts and the cut corners

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How could he be certain it was a plane, When its travelling at 400MPH, Deafining, And the vibration would cause your liqud in your eyes to vibrate, Therefore making you close your Eyes!
Did you ever even bother to pay attention during Biology?

 

 

Building 7 was one of the Most strongest buildings in the world

If you seen the Pics of Steel colums inside that Buidling, Youd realize a fire would not even damage it

And for the fire that was there? By the way, How did fire randomly start in that floor?

Err, the WTC was made of steel also. Steel doesn't need to melt; it needs to warp and lose structural integrity (you won't be an architect, I can tell you that).

 

 

Yeah, True there, Lucky... Makes loads of sence  dozingoff.gif

What was it? 800-2500 Degrees for a Jet crash? So what your saying is, Its capible of destorying 100% Steel, But not Human life?

...People were in stairwells on the bottom floor. You do know the record for the farthest fall with survival was by an airline stewardess, don't you? Some 5000 feet.

 

 

And im an idiot? By showing you these points, What other reasons is there fore these points ive proven?

Your embarrasing yourself...

The moment you can form an entire post without some sort of an idiotic grammatical error, you can start saying other people are embarrassing themselves. Your points are all from stupid conspiracy books like Painful Questions.

 

Here is the break down of how a conspiracy theorist works:

 

They like to believe that it is impossible that anyone could suddenly attack us; that there is order, and a system. Conspiracy theorists bring two facts that have nothing to do with each other together to try to form something remotely tangible.

 

By the way, you might be one of the slowest and (nothing personal, but) dumbest people I've ever seen on this forum. Did you even bother to read the Popular Mechanics thing? Its the same thing as PBS: Non-biased media. They gain nothing from support for either side.

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