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Dublo 7

Bin Laden denied he was guilty for 9/11

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MissileDefender

Building 7, Is a 47 Story building with a Steel frame, No airplane Crashed into it, Yet it crumbled on 9/11

 

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In this picture:

Number 1 is - The North Tower

Number 2 is- South tower

Number 3 is - a Hotel

Number 4, 5 and 6 are office buildings

And Number 7, Is A main power source to NY

 

All of these buildings collapsed on 9/11

 

Building 4 suffered a Awkful ending, Anyone who was inside that building, Didnt stand a Chance

The south towers Upper Few floors broke off, And fell onto Building 4, It was still slightly in the same shape as it was when it broke off, So you can imagine this piece of the South Tower crashing onto another building

 

This is a View, Of Building 7's Wreck, Taking from a Airplane, After 9/11

 

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Its the Lightly coloured pile of rubble

As you can see, It is a very small compact hill of rubble, Its not that wide, But its high

This is how a building is demolistioned, It goes down ontop of itself, To create a high pile, Not one big flat pile

 

How did a 47story Steel Building crumble into a tiny pile of rubble?

Once again we were told fire caused the Building to Crumble

Fires burned inside this Building, For 8 and a half hours, Before it collapsed

 

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In the center of this Photo Is Building 7, This is the Extent of the Fire... Its 2 or 3 small Glows from within the building

 

They arnt easy to see, Because they are small

There is only a few flames, on all of 47 floors

Compaired to Other common office fires, This is SMALL!

 

If these fires were small, Why didnt the sprinkler system turn on, And easily Extinguish the flames?

 

Despite the fact that Building 5 and 6 collapsed, The Government never Explained how they ended up with FIERCE fires on the inside of the building... How did the fires end up inside this building? When only rubble fell on the roof?

 

Dispite the Fact of the small fires burning inside Building 7, At 5:30Pm, The buildings suddenly crumbled

 

How did a few fires, Cause Building 7 to collapse?

Building 7 was a Power station To NY, It had some of the Thickest Steel Girders inside it, in the world!

 

I cant find a Picture of the Building 7 Girders at the Docks, On google, But these things were inches thick!

There is no Way, Fire ate through these!

Like many Other Structures, Building 7 was giving more strength than it Needed...

 

I havent the correct Photos to show you what im talking about next, So youll have to just imagine This part

 

Building 7 had a Rectangular Penthouse on the roof, It had Utilities such as Airconditioning etc. Although, If YOu in the near future see a video of Building 7 collapse, Keep your eye on this penthouse

 

When the Building collapses, The Penthouse is the first thing to start falling down the way, If the fires were on the lower floors, Why did the penthouse Crumble first?

 

If youve ever watched a Demolition before, Youd notice when it starts to collapse, Dust will come out the bottom, This only happens in Demolistions, Yet this was the Case for Building 7

And it Fell in the form of a demolistion

 

What happens in a Demolistion? Or how can you tell, you might ask.

 

Well, A demolistion of a old building, Goes from the bottom down, First, Dust comes out the bottom, Then, The middle part of the building falls fastest, Pulling the Exteroir side walls towards the middle, And the same applies for the Front and back Exterior walls, They pull CLoser together, Also, It falls very Quickly, Because the base has been Blown out, Causing a Freefall, Like Building 7.

If Building 7 fell by cause of fire, It would fall down as fast, It would twist and turn as it fell, As the Girders would be being pushed in all directions, Casuing them to twist, And pull The concrete Between them to split, And go away from each other. This was not the case for Building 7.

 

Think of it as, Folding the Template of a Envelope.

 

If youve never seen A building Collapse, Then im sure there will be Some Programs on the Discovery Channel, Or The documentry Channels About Demolistions

 

Now youve seen the pictures, And read how a building falls, Do you think these tiny fires, In the 2nd picture, Caused the Collapse of Building 7?

 

Also, Just to add on the rubble, The exterior walls, were on the top of the rubble, So it follows the rules of a Demolistion, It pulls the wals over the Interoir rubble, Just like pulling a blanket over it.

 

Why does no body care that Building 7 fell down, Because of some fires?

That is because, No one knows enough about it, It wasnt Repeated over and over... Like WTC, As i said in the first few lines of my First post on this topic!

See how everything Ties in?

 

One Point of secercy is, That Building 7 was turned into a Command Center Months before the attack

 

Again, I cant find the correct Picture, Or a clear picture, But ive got one that is simple enough to explain what im talking about.

 

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This is Building 7, you can See every floor has 1 Row of windows

 

But this pattern Changes near the middle, On the 23rd Floor, You see 3 rows of windows, Making 1 Floor

This is the Command center that NY City spend 15 Million Dollars On

 

It had:

Bomb and bullet Proof windows

Its own Water and Air supply

And could withstand winds fro mupto 160mph!

 

Why put Bomb and Bullet proof windows on just 3 rows of windows?

This is as stupid as putting 1 Bullet Proof window, On P. Bush's Car

 

This would of been a Perfect vantage point to Observe the 9/11 attacks

 

So why Protect one floor of 47 floors?

 

So why have you own water supply, Air supply, Bomb proof, Bullet proof, And wind resistant windows?

Well, Consider that when the Trade center collapse, Dust and grit was thrown at very high speeds, The bomb proof windows would have stopped them from smashing, And the air and water supply is because theres so much dust, Strange how it just suddenly comes handy with all speciafactions of this Building seem to be Perfect for something like this happening

 

But an officail report said that at 9:00am on September 11th, The building was evacuated, So the City spent 15 Million Dollars of tax payers money on something they just abandoned at a time when they needed it most!

 

I saved the Scaiest Topic for last

 

As i mentioned in my first post in this topic, How did the Pilots, Find WTC?

 

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Whats this lil complicated thing u might ask?

Well Heres the Key

Numbers - Repersent the Building numbers

Building 7 - Clearly marked

Red Circle and rings - Transmission

Pink line - Real Course of Plane

Orange - What it was heading towards

 

The planes just so happend to appear to go towards Building 7, As if a Transmission was being sent there, Telling the terrorists were the WTC was!!

 

If the south Tower line continued it would be hitting building 7

If The north Tower line Dived, It would have hit.... Building 7

 

My conclusion -

It seems the US Govnerment Helped Terrorists, If not they did it them selves, To destroy their own Econemy, To initate War

 

It seems they wanted to make a big hit on the Country, With the lest amount of causilties

 

They hit the Empty section of the Pentagon, Which the Made a 270 Degree turn just to do

The planes were 50-70% empty

 

Building were evacuated

 

I believe American Government did this to Themselves, They hit the Pentagon, With a Missile, And they controlled the planes, That slammed into the Pentagon

They then Miss out Building 7, As it is demolisted during the attack, To make it look like it was damaged, But really, They were Destroying Evidence of and Computer Files, The years of work they put into this went down with Building 7, Never to be looked at again...

 

And more Americains are still Dieing for a senceless war on Afghanistan, And Iraq.

 

Shame on you Bush! You have Brought Shame to you and your Country!

 

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The face of a Thousand Dead people... Killed at the hands of Bush, Weather that be in the wars hes started, Or his Selfish thoughtless attack to his own country!

 

-Finlay Aka MissileDefender - End

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tehhunter

Ok both of you dolts, listen up: This is not the 9/11 Conspiracy thread. If you hadn't noticed, I already raped the people in your case in that thread with diagrams I made myself. You both are obviously just picking-and-choosing information (extremely biased might I add) to support your futile case.

 

Osama did do it. What you both are trying to do is overload me with questions. You both asked probably around 100 questions together. f*ck you, I am not answering everyone of them. So you can either go dig up the 9/11 conspiracy topic and resume posting their or make a short list of questions so I can put this to rest.

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MissileDefender

 

Ok both of you dolts, listen up: This is not the 9/11 Conspiracy thread. If you hadn't noticed, I already raped the people in your case in that thread with diagrams I made myself. You both are obviously just picking-and-choosing information (extremely biased might I add) to support your futile case.

 

Osama did do it. What you both are trying to do is overload me with questions. You both asked probably around 100 questions together. f*ck you, I am not answering everyone of them. So you can either go dig up the 9/11 conspiracy topic and resume posting their or make a short list of questions so I can put this to rest.

confused.gif To be honest, I never said anything about a conspicary, Im pointing out the facts that can tell you, thats its all abit coincidental to be just planned by Terrorists

 

Please read what ive said dozingoff.gif

And i wasnt asking you the Questions... They are retorical Questions that everyone can think bout... Not just u lol.gif

 

N what facts do you have to prove Osama did it, On The other hand, Ive just pointed out well over 20 things that give away it couldnt of been Terrorists

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Eviscero

It's a coincidence that terrorists terrorized the country? Are you out of your mind?

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MissileDefender

Oh no not at all...

Its a Coincidence theUS government have tape of the Pentagon Crash, When they wont realise it, Why the secrecy?

Why was the blast the colour of a Explostion, Not a crash

Why was the metal From WTC all torn up?

How did the "Terrorists" find WTC and the Pentagon?

Why wasnt "Flight 77" taking down, If it really was going to the Pentagon

Why was Building 7 Coincidently Destroyed, From the bottom, When there was no fire, And the penthouse at the top split, And fell, Second?

How did people survive the Impact of a plane in the WTC?

Why was there No fire?

Why did the "terrorists" decide to fly along the ground, att 400Mph, And do a 27o Degree turn, Inches from the ground, To hit the Empty side, If you have common sence, Youll Realize, Thats quite impossible

Why did the Steel in WTC "Brake" when the grates in a fire place withstand white hot ashes, for years, Before braking...

 

All abit of a coincidence

How can you ignore the other facts, Such as the heat in the WTC's and Building 7s, Wreck, It was above the Maxime temperture for a Jet crash, Only explosives could achieve this Temperture!

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Eviscero

I don't know what the f*ck you're saying. Does anyone have a translator?

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I don't know what the f*ck you're saying. Does anyone have a translator?

From what I've deciphered, 9/11 was caused by a rift in the space-time continuum, which was engineered by Dick Cheney, who was spawned by the Devil, who used to work for Halliburton, the company that hired the hunter to kill Bambi's mother.

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Eviscero

Well I'm glad we're on the same page.

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Hooded

That's so interesting MissileDefender, you rock man. colgate.gif

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MissileDefender
I don't know what the f*ck you're saying. Does anyone have a translator?

Whats the matter?

Is it that hard to understand english when you speak it?

The only problem you have understanding, is that the WTC and the Pentagon, were acts of US Government

Any fact ive pointed out has proved this was no Terrorist attack, The US Government got sloppy...

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Dirty Sanchez

At all the f*cktards claiming 9/11 was some big conspiracy theory with your crackpot theories and websites, check out an article by Popular Mechanics. Here.

 

And please just f*cking stop with all this made up, twisted around, illlogical "proof".

 

Thanks.

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Hooded
I don't know what the f*ck you're saying. Does anyone have a translator?

Read it you whore.

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Eviscero
I don't know what the f*ck you're saying.  Does anyone have a translator?

Read it you whore.

Clearly he has no concept of the English language. He lacks proper punctuation, grammar, he even capitalizes random letters.

 

Once you get past those haggard mistakes, you end up with a jumble of horse sh*t that wasn't worth deciphering in the first place.

 

You can talk about how the "physics" of your diagrams don't work, but ask yourself this question - Why would the U.S. government want to kill its own citizens when its sole job is to protect and ensure the safety and welfare of them?

 

Your arguments are in no way consistent with logic or rational thinking, therefore I'm going to have to label you all as...whores.

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Hooded
I don't know what the f*ck you're saying.  Does anyone have a translator?

Read it you whore.

Clearly he has no concept of the English language. He lacks proper punctuation, grammar, he even capitalizes random letters.

 

Once you get past those haggard mistakes, you end up with a jumble of horse sh*t that wasn't worth deciphering in the first place.

 

You can talk about how the "physics" of your diagrams don't work, but ask yourself this question - Why would the U.S. government want to kill its own citizens when its sole job is to protect and ensure the safety and welfare of them?

 

Your arguments are in no way consistent with logic or rational thinking, therefore I'm going to have to label you all as...whores.

Everyone makes mistakes.

 

And just because the conspiracy doesn't appeal too you doesn't mean you need to bag it out.

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Dublo 7
I don't know what the f*ck you're saying.  Does anyone have a translator?

Read it you whore.

Clearly he has no concept of the English language. He lacks proper punctuation, grammar, he even capitalizes random letters.

 

Once you get past those haggard mistakes, you end up with a jumble of horse sh*t that wasn't worth deciphering in the first place.

 

You can talk about how the "physics" of your diagrams don't work, but ask yourself this question - Why would the U.S. government want to kill its own citizens when its sole job is to protect and ensure the safety and welfare of them?

 

Your arguments are in no way consistent with logic or rational thinking, therefore I'm going to have to label you all as...whores.

Do you not realise how much more power the government has gained because of 9/11?

Instating things such as the Patriot Act, installing video cameras/microphones everywhere. Your freedoms are declining slowly.

You no longer have 'freedom of speech'. You can only say/do things that they will let you do. Hell, some guy made a painting of Bush which made him look like a monkey by chance, the Feds demanded he take down the painting. Howard Stern has been sued millions of dollars because of things he says about Bush on his (older) radio show.

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MissileDefender

 

I don't know what the f*ck you're saying.  Does anyone have a translator?

Read it you whore.

Clearly he has no concept of the English language. He lacks proper punctuation, grammar, he even capitalizes random letters.

 

Once you get past those haggard mistakes, you end up with a jumble of horse sh*t that wasn't worth deciphering in the first place.

 

You can talk about how the "physics" of your diagrams don't work, but ask yourself this question - Why would the U.S. government want to kill its own citizens when its sole job is to protect and ensure the safety and welfare of them?

 

Your arguments are in no way consistent with logic or rational thinking, therefore I'm going to have to label you all as...whores.

Im sorry, Whos talking sh*t now?

Your questoning my facts on 9/11, because of grammer? Am i a f*cking english teacher?

 

Your going off this topic now, No one is going off topic but you

Your ignoring my points and facts, Please, Give up, You have proven nothing confused.gif

 

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Kained But Able
At all the f*cktards claiming 9/11 was some big conspiracy theory with your crackpot theories and websites, check out an article by Popular Mechanics. Here.

 

And please just f*cking stop with all this made up, twisted around, illlogical "proof".

 

Thanks.

Firstly you've proved the biggest point of all, how the media brainwash's 1,000,000's. So popularmechanics.com says yeah sure we've got solid evidence it was a terrorist attack, we've proved all the internet lies are untrue... but hey I wouldnt expect a division of the Hearst Corporation to say any different really, have a look at there website http://www.hearstcorp.com/, ummmm with clients like NBC, MSNBC, CNN & ESPN how can they be wrong?

 

In end all, stop reading your half baked US news stories and pick up on some stories that are actually true.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

 

Now you see the above will report a story whether our government likes it or not, and unlike your American media its not selective, and unbiased to what they show.

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Eviscero

One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images--the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

 

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

 

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

 

Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.

 

While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied--including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine--as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky.

 

In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.

 

Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

 

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

 

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.

 

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

 

Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

 

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

 

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

 

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

 

"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

 

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

 

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear--misleadingly--as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves--blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower--start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

 

f*ck the spacing.

 

Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

 

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

 

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

 

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

 

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

 

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

 

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

 

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

 

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

 

Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do--they're blast-resistant.

 

"A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass."

 

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

 

There was such a jet in the vicinity--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."--not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.

 

Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.

 

Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake.

 

Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there."

 

 

 

PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

Quite a few more than any of you nimwits.

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Don't mind the double post.

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Don't mind the double post.

It took you an hour and a half to write that post?

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Lovely little article I just found.

 

 

Eighty-eight members of Congress call on Bush for answers on secret Iraq plan

 

RAW STORY | May 5, 2005

 

Eighty-eight members of Congress have signed a letter authored by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) calling on President Bush to answer questions about a secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.

 

In a letter, Conyers and other members say they are disappointed the mainstream media has not touched the revelations.

 

"Unfortunately, the mainstream media in the United States was too busy with wall-to-wall coverage of a "runaway bride" to cover a bombshell report out of the British newspapers," Conyers writes. "The London Times reports that the British government and the United States government had secretly agreed to attack Iraq in 2002, before authorization was sought for such an attack in Congress, and had discussed creating pretextual justifications for doing so."

 

"The Times reports , based on a newly discovered document, that in 2002 British Prime Minister Tony Blair chaired a meeting in which he expressed his support for "regime change" through the use of force in Iraq and was warned by the nation's top lawyer that such an action would be illegal," he adds. "Blair also discussed the need for America to "create" conditions to justify the war."

 

The members say they are seeking an inquiry.

 

"This should not be allowed to fall down the memory hole during wall-to-wall coverage of the Michael Jackson trial and a runaway bride," he remarks. "To prevent that from occuring, I am circulating the following letter among my House colleagues and asking them to sign on to it."

 

The letter follows.

 

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May 5, 2005

 

The Honorable George W. Bush President of the United States of America The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500

 

Dear Mr. President:

 

We write because of troubling revelations in the Sunday London Times apparently confirming that the United States and Great Britain had secretly agreed to attack Iraq in the summer of 2002, well before the invasion and before you even sought Congressional authority to engage in military action. While various individuals have asserted this to be the case before, including Paul O'Neill, former U.S. Treasury Secretary, and Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, they have been previously dismissed by your Administration. However, when this story was divulged last weekend, Prime Minister Blair's representative claimed the document contained "nothing new." If the disclosure is accurate, it raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of your own Administration.

 

The Sunday Times obtained a leaked document with the minutes of a secret meeting from highly placed sources inside the British Government. Among other things, the document revealed:

 

* Prime Minister Tony Blair chaired a July 2002 meeting, at which he discussed military options, having already committed himself to supporting President Bush's plans for invading Iraq.

 

* British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw acknowledged that the case for war was "thin" as "Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea, or Iran."

 

* A separate secret briefing for the meeting said that Britain and America had to "create" conditions to justify a war.

 

* A British official "reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

 

As a result of this recent disclosure, we would like to know the following:

 

1) Do you or anyone in your Administration dispute the accuracy of the leaked document?

 

2) Were arrangements being made, including the recruitment of allies, before you sought Congressional authorization go to war? Did you or anyone in your Administration obtain Britain's commitment to invade prior to this time?

 

3) Was there an effort to create an ultimatum about weapons inspectors in order to help with the justification for the war as the minutes indicate?

 

4) At what point in time did you and Prime Minister Blair first agree it was necessary to invade Iraq?

 

5) Was there a coordinated effort with the U.S. intelligence community and/or British officials to "fix" the intelligence and facts around the policy as the leaked document states?

 

We have of course known for some time that subsequent to the invasion there have been a variety of varying reasons proffered to justify the invasion, particularly since the time it became evident that weapons of mass destruction would not be found. This leaked document - essentially acknowledged by the Blair government - is the first confirmation that the rationales were shifting well before the invasion as well.

 

Given the importance of this matter, we would ask that you respond to this inquiry as promptly as possible. Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Members who have already signed letter:

Neil Abercrombie

Brian Baird

Tammy Baldwin

Xavier Becerra

Shelley Berkley

Eddie Bernice Johnson

Sanford Bishop

Earl Blumenauer

Corrine Brown

Sherrod Brown

G.K. Butterfield

Emanuel Cleaver

James Clyburn

John Conyers

Jim Cooper

Elijah Cummings

Danny Davis

Peter DeFazio

Diana DeGette

Bill Delahunt

Rosa DeLauro

Lloyd Doggett

Sam Farr

Bob Filner

Harold Ford, Jr.

Barney Frank

Al Green

Raul Grijalva

Louis Gutierrez

Alcee Hastings

Maurice Hinchey

Rush Holt

Jay Inslee

Sheila Jackson Lee

Jessie Jackson Jr.

Marcy Kaptur

Patrick Kennedy

Dale Kildee

Carolyn Kilpatrick

Dennis Kucinich

William Lacy Clay

Barbara Lee

John Lewis

Zoe Lofgren

Donna M. Christensen

Carolyn Maloney

Ed Markey

Carolyn McCarthy

Jim McDermott

James McGovern

Cynthia McKinney

Martin Meehan

Kendrick Meek

Gregory Meeks

Michael Michaud

George Miller

Gwen S. Moore

James Moran

Jerrold Nadler

Grace Napolitano

James Oberstar

John Olver

Major Owens

Frank Pallone

Donald Payne

Charles Rangel

Bobby Rush

Bernie Sanders

Linda Sanchez

Jan Schakowsky

Jose Serrano

Ike Skelton

Louise Slaughter

Hilda Solis

Pete Stark

Ellen Tauscher

Bennie Thompson

Edolphus Towns

Stephanie Tubbs Jones

Chris Van Hollen

Nydia Velazquez

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Maxine Waters

Diane Watson

Melvin Watt

Robert Wexler

Lynn Woolsey

David Wu

Albert R. Wynn

 

Thats from infowars.com

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/* somewhat on topic -

9/11 predicted by the $20 dollar bill

 

Also relating to currency, and conspiracy events, the word "Mason" can be found on the $1 dollar bill by drawing a hexagon over the osirus-pyramid.

i'm not explaining the mason-text, as it would go too far off topic. do a google search for mason, freemason, illuminati. conspiracy nuts should already know this stuff.

 

Both images found here. */

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One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures o...

 

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...PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

Quite a few more than any of you nimwits.

Oh dear, another blind media driven patriot. Look, your media is corupt, your government is corupt, and you dont even have civil liberties anymore... yeah who's the nimwit now, well obviously 51% of you americans are.

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That article I just posted debunks every major conspiracy theory there is. Maybe if you read it you'll realize that you're living in a fantasy world and you'll learn to cope with the fact that yes, there are terrorists, and no, we don't have control over them. I understand that you're scared, but denial and making up stories about it just isn't going to help.

 

Read it for ffs. I read yours.

 

 

...As painful as it was.

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Eviscero, I realise your point of view and respect it, but don't go around telling people whats right and wrong, we're discussing possible theories no matter how slight they be, I read your side of the story, but I'm still going too stick with the conspiracy.

 

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That article I just posted debunks every major conspiracy theory there is. Maybe if you read it you'll realize that you're living in a fantasy world and you'll learn to cope with the fact that yes, there are terrorists, and no, we don't have control over them. I understand that you're scared, but denial and making up stories about it just isn't going to help.

 

Read it for ffs. I read yours.

 

 

...As painful as it was.

Youve answered no questions of mine, This is pathetic confused.gif

 

Can you explain the colour of the Pentagon blast?

Can you tell us WHY building 7 collapsed?

How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

Why the building collapsed vectically, Why would all for corners of the tower shatter at the same time? 1/4 change of that happening

Why were there no flames in the Impact crater?

Any fuel that was of any considerate ammoutn was expelled out the other side, Thats what the fireball was when it hit WTC

 

Why did no one see the plane hit the Pentagon:

There was a man who said, YEs it was An Americain Airlines Plane

Who can be certain about a object flighting 400mph, inches above the ground, and so deafing it would littrally deafen you...

 

Why the secrecy on the Pentagon Secruity video?

Why were people still alive in the Impact crater in WTC?

Why did the pilots give the cockpit up so some "terrorists" with razor blades? confused.gif

This makes it seem that anyone can Hijack a flight with a razor blade...

 

Why did WTC collapse when it had been taking forces stronger than a plane for over 30 years

Why did the steel "Melt" When the steel in a fire place grate on shatters after years of exposure to fire?

 

Why did the "Flight 77" do a 270 Turn to hit the empty side of the Pentagon?

 

You know why you believe this is all a "Coincidence"

Because the Media has brain washed you with the completly wrong story, Because the TV says it, Does that really make it true?

Face it, 3000 people were MURDERED by the US government on 9/11

Notice how i never said, "conspiacy" I was simply pointing out facts on 9/11

 

Denial? Im sorry, Im in Northern Ireland, I cant change the way the Planes hit the buildings, I cant help how everything was so slopply put together dozingoff.gif

 

N scared of what? Only thing your scared of is the Truth, America has brain washed everyone to believe this story.

 

N yes, Maybe to Americains it is painful, having to be told, That the country you love so much, Murdered over 3000 people, Maybe to boast Bushs world status, Give him more authority, Both of them have increased since 9/11

 

Nothing you say can apose the facts!

 

And hell, If i made this up, I MUST be able to go back in time and use my master powers to change plane crashes notify.gif

 

 

 

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One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures o...

 

....

 

...PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories. 

 

Quite a few more than any of you nimwits.

Oh dear, another blind media driven patriot. Look, your media is corupt, your government is corupt, and you dont even have civil liberties anymore... yeah who's the nimwit now, well obviously 51% of you americans are.

Look, Chicken Little. I am an avowed leftist and if I could have voted in 2004, I would have cast strongly in favor of Kerry, if not Dean or Kucinich. But the evidence against 9/11 conspiracy theories is overwhelming, and it is not a partisan issue. There is no need to decivilize the debate even more with inflammatory claims.

 

 

N yes, Maybe to Americains it is painful, having to be told, That the country you love so much, Murdered over 3000 people, Maybe to boast Bushs world status, Give him more authority, Both of them have increased since 9/11

 

Nothing you say can apose the facts!

 

I am very offended. You are not telling Americans anything, but merely theorizing and hypothesizing. Don't you dare inflate your ego at the expense of civility. I love the United States and I hold much respect for our people, and I can say on good authority that the only 'pain' you've inflicted on us is through your condenscending, know-it-all attitude, if at all.

 

Frankly, I can't believe you think Bush's world status has increased since 9/11. We've seen a frightening net decrease in his popularity, in case you weren't listening. Oh, I forgot. Any media is corrupt, so you wouldn't be.

 

And for God's sakes, learn the English language.

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Im sorry

Did i not make it clear when i said answer those questions?

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Im sorry

Did i not make it clear when i said answer those questions?

Pay attention. I am not Eviscero.

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Youve answered no questions of mine, This is pathetic confused.gif

 

Can you explain the colour of the Pentagon blast?

*Can you tell us WHY building 7 collapsed?

How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

*Why the building collapsed vectically, Why would all for corners of the tower shatter at the same time? 1/4 change of that happening

Why were there no flames in the Impact crater?

Any fuel that was of any considerate ammoutn was expelled out the other side, Thats what the fireball was when it hit WTC

 

Why did no one see the plane hit the Pentagon:

There was a man who said, YEs it was An Americain Airlines Plane

Who can be certain about a object flighting 400mph, inches above the ground, and so deafing it would littrally deafen you...

 

Why the secrecy on the Pentagon Secruity video?

Why were people still alive in the Impact crater in WTC?

Why did the pilots give the cockpit up so some "terrorists" with razor blades? confused.gif

This makes it seem that anyone can Hijack a flight with a razor blade...

 

**Why did WTC collapse when it had been taking forces stronger than a plane for over 30 years

**Why did the steel "Melt" When the steel in a fire place grate on shatters after years of exposure to fire?

 

Why did the "Flight 77" do a 270 Turn to hit the empty side of the Pentagon?

 

I've put an asterisk next to the questions I answered with my previous post. I've put a double asterisk next to questions I've answered more than once. I'll also call you a dumbass for saying I've answered none of your questions when you clearly didn't read my response to your questions. Well, let's get that out of the way now. Dumbass.

 

 

Now, onto the answers. First, the asterisked ones.

 

 

Why WTC 7 collapsed:

 

 

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

 

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

 

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

 

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

 

 

Why the building collapsed vertically:

 

 

Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

 

Why twin towers collapsed and why the steel melted:

 

 

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

 

Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

 

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

 

 

Now, onto the retarded questions. Not that they weren't all retarded.

 

Can you explain the colour of the Pentagon blast?

 

Yes. When there are large explosions involving jets and buildings, there are large explosions of blue and yellow and red and white - the general colors of fire. If you'd like a definition on combustion, I'd recomment http://www.google.com. Can you explain why this is even suspicious?

 

How the terrorists found WTC and the pentagon?

 

Yes. They are two of the most famous and recognizeable landmarks ever built on this planet.

 

Why were there no flames in the Impact crater?

 

There probably were. Not many people happened to be standing in that vacant field at the time to take pictures though.

 

Any fuel that was of any considerate ammoutn was expelled out the other side, Thats what the fireball was when it hit WTC

 

This is just an incoherent jumble of words.

 

Why did no one see the plane hit the Pentagon:

There was a man who said, YEs it was An Americain Airlines Plane

Who can be certain about a object flighting 400mph, inches above the ground, and so deafing it would littrally deafen you...

 

You completely contradicted yourself in claiming that nobody saw the plane, and then questioning a man who said he saw the plane. If you want to claim that it is impossible for anyone to have seen the plane then you are clearly in need of some help. If you want to discredit every eye witness based on planes' "littrally deafening" characteristic, then you're out of your mind. Even deaf people can identify planes, jackass.

 

Why the secrecy on the Pentagon Secruity video?

 

What secrecy? The key frames have been released and analyzed.

 

Why were people still alive in the Impact crater in WTC?

 

Lucky I guess. It doesn't prove anything to support your case at all. What do you think it means? If the government blew up the buildings they probably wouldn't hire actors to hide at the bottom of a rubble pile until found...

 

Why did the pilots give the cockpit up so some "terrorists" with razor blades? confused.gif

This makes it seem that anyone can Hijack a flight with a razor blade...

 

Let's see if someone holds a razor blade to your buddy's neck, slices it open nearly decapitating him, then puts it on your throat. You gonna give up the plane, or are you gonna get your head sawed off? Don't be an ass. I find it highly insulting and inappropriate that you're inferring that these pilots were some sort of pussies.

 

Why did the "Flight 77" do a 270 Turn to hit the empty side of the Pentagon?

 

It did a 270 degree turn to GET to the Pentagon, not to hit some empty side. That was just lucky for us.

 

 

 

If you're referring to Popular Mechanics as some sort of biased news source then you're out of your f*cking mind. This isn't fox or ABC or NBC. This is an independent news source that gets profits from ads.

 

 

 

 

 

There. I've answered all of your questions. What now? Are you going to stop being such an insulting, disrespectful, illiterate piece of sh*t?

 

 

 

 

To the mods: Sorry if I came across a bit hostile, but these claims are so outrageous that it is insulting. I don't encourage censorship of them, but I do encourage allowing me to express my anger at this idiot.

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