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Svip

Should Danish lesbians have children?

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Tongue of Colicab

 

No matter what you say, homosexuals will always have anal sex with same gender members and pretend to be other gender, which I opose, like murdering for revenge etc.

 

Saying I am "homophobic" as Mortukai suggested would get me banned. I claim I do not support their actions, due to them not being the right ones. Right actions would be being what you are. Which they're not.

 

That is my argument.

 

@ JackredluM, I would raise my children no matter what they do, I just wouldn't like it.

Whats wrong with anal sex? Straight people do it.

 

Homosexuals don't necessarily pretend to be the opposite sex. straight people do that, too. You know, cross dressers.

 

What gives you the right to say what is right and what is wrong? What do you mean by "they aren't being who they are"? or are you talking about something else?

 

You have a sh*tty argument. confused.gif

 

Why do you disapprove of homosexuality so much? What have they done to you? What does it matter what or who they do? Nothing.

Edited by Tongue of Colicab

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Harlem
I wouldn't want my son living in a world where marrying same gender people is a right thing.

I don't want my children living around ignorant people like you but it looks like ignorance is never going out of style.

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rallysiim
I don't know if this has been said, but won't those kids be called names at school?

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Tongue of Colicab
I don't know if this has been said, but won't those kids be called names at school?

We've discussed that. If people were more tolerant, that wouldn't be a problem. And how would little kids know what gay means, let alone who is gay.

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Harlem
I don't know if this has been said, but won't those kids be called names at school?

Who cares? Honestly, kids get made fun of for all sorts of different things. Not wearing brand name clothes, not having a lot of money, being stupid or slow, etc. but you don't see the government getting involved in those types of things do you?

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Eviscero

Mortukai, if you have this evidence you were talking about earlier that discusses the effects (if any) on a child from being raised by gay parents, I'd be very interested in reading it. It just seemed to make sense to me that such a radical change from accepted environments would be detrimental. Like raising a lion with tigers or something.

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HoodyG

 

Whats wrong with anal sex? Straight people do it.

 

Homosexuals don't necessarily pretend to be the opposite sex. straight people do that, too. You know, cross dressers.

 

What gives you the right to say what is right and what is wrong? What do you mean by "they aren't being who they are"? or are you talking about something else?

 

Why do you disapprove of homosexuality so much?

Nothing is true in your argument.

 

Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do. Did you ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

I knew a kid who walked like a girl and only talked to girls, how's that not pretending being opposite sex?

I am straight and neither me or any straight person I know ever dressed like women. Maybe you're referencing to some tv sitcom?

 

I also know for sure that being gay is not right, whether you like it or not. No, I am talking about them. They should only marry opposite sexes. That is what opposite sex is for, right? Right. You would probably answer "how do you know what's wrong from right?" and call me ignorant.

 

I at first just gave my two cents on what I think being that homosexuals should not be legally allowed to marry. I never said they couldn't date or something like that, but quoting the president "Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.". Go on calling him ignorant then. If none of you people's rights activists called me names for that, it would have been my only post.

 

 

I don't want my children living around ignorant people like you but it looks like ignorance is never going out of style.

Oh, so I am ignorant for disapproving same sex marriage? In case you didn't know, that is not what you have your genitalia for.

And I am also not the only one in the world endorsing such an opinion. Example, the president.

 

 

You are saying they are "wrong" on moral grounds, hence you are saying both that they are "wrong" and that they are "immoral" too.

Cerbera, you are very passionate about this for some reason. I don't mind that, but what I do mind is you quoting something I said, which I didn't say. You could put it: You are saying they are wrong on moral grounds and that they are immoral too. Without ".

Second of all, wrong does not lead in a slightest way to "immoral", as those words are not synonymous. You are trying to prove me wrong on grounds you are making up, which is showing how desperate you are as you do not have a proper argument.

 

I also don't want my children to grow up in a world where people call others names for saying we should stick to the way you were born.

 

And you who call my father a bigot, that makes you just that, as you state that opinion without knowing him. If that isn't thick headed, I don't know what is.

 

If you flame me more, I will reply more, and this will go on forever. Let me have my opinion and I will let you have yours. Unless of course that opinion is that I am "ignorant", which I am not.

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Eviscero

If you read my following post you would have seen that I had good reason to call your father a bigot.

 

The answer to this question would be quite interesting: Where are you from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S.I think HoodyG's posts should be disregarded from here on out as they don't contribute anything to the discussion and he's far too ignorant to partake in any activities in this forum.

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HoodyG

My previous posts contribute far more than yours, especially your last one Eviscero.

 

I am from Bridgewater MA 02324 USA. f*ck you.

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Eviscero

Massachusetts? Liberal capitol of the country? Surprising. I would have guessed the deep south. Somewhere near a river probably.

 

 

Anyway, no you haven't contributed much of anything. I could sum up what your entire stance is in about three seconds.

 

 

"I'm HoodyG, me and my straight friends don't like gays. We don't know any and don't really come in contact with them but we make know that they have buttsex and we know that they are wrong. They are bad people. If my kid were gay, I'd get made fun of big time. That is why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry."

 

 

 

You, sir, are an ignorant sh*t stain on the proverbial global underpants. You're the scum of the planet not only because of your horribly misguided stance but because of your disgusting ignorance that prevents you from being fixed. If the option were given to me, I'd say that YOU, sir should be forbidden from marrying and/or reproducing, as people like you are far more harmful to society than some flamboyant guy who would rather do a dude than a chick.

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Azazel

I would just like to mention that there has been registered homosexual behaviour among about 100 other species, from flies to seals.

 

Doesn't really have any relevance to this subject, but an interesting fact, no? You could be surrounded by 'fags', HoodyG, and without knowing it. You won't be able to step outside a door, in fear of encountering a homosexual fly. ~az

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HoodyG

 

Massachusetts?  Liberal capitol of the country?  Surprising.  I would have guessed the deep south.  Somewhere near a river probably.

 

Did some fag steal your bigot father's job or something?

A brilliant example of a stereotypic douche and an assmonger.

 

And I did give an example of a gay person I knew. And no one in a school in the liberal capitol of the country liked him, and many beat him up.

 

Calling me names just because I have a different opinion makes you everything you called me.

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Tongue of Colicab

 

Whats wrong with anal sex? Straight people do it.

 

Homosexuals don't necessarily pretend to be the opposite sex. straight people do that, too. You know, cross dressers.

 

What gives you the right to say what is right and what is wrong? What do you mean by "they aren't being who they are"? or are you talking about something else?

 

Why do you disapprove of homosexuality so much?

Nothing is true in your argument.

 

Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do. Did you ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

I knew a kid who walked like a girl and only talked to girls, how's that not pretending being opposite sex?

I am straight and neither me or any straight person I know ever dressed like women. Maybe you're referencing to some tv sitcom?

 

I also know for sure that being gay is not right, whether you like it or not. No, I am talking about them. They should only marry opposite sexes. That is what opposite sex is for, right? Right. You would probably answer "how do you know what's wrong from right?" and call me ignorant.

 

I at first just gave my two cents on what I think being that homosexuals should not be legally allowed to marry. I never said they couldn't date or something like that, but quoting the president "Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.". Go on calling him ignorant then. If none of you people's rights activists called me names for that, it would have been my only post.

I don't mean to ignore you post, Eviscero, but...

 

@ HoodyG: Damn, you piss me off.

 

Anal sex between a man and a woman is when his wang is in her butt. Duh!

 

I said "not necessarily" for a reason, they can be that way, ANYONE can, so why is it different if a gay person does it?

 

I think you are the one who is influenced by tv sitcoms. confused.gif

 

Why is homosexuality "not right"? How old are you? 50? 7? If you say that they can date, why can't they get married? Whats the difference? Other than some financial junk.

 

You ARE ignorant, and thats why everyone calls you ignorant.

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AllDoItTheSame

small problem with that eviscero, hes the onlyone here debating the other side

 

but while im here

hoodyg

just because you have never met someone who is straight and cross dresses, does that mean they do not exist. By the same argument, i could say that i have never seen a zebra before, so ergo, it does not exist. This is where i come off telling you that you are a close minded human being

I also noted that they can just "date or something" but if they wish to be that way, why could they not be married. In the bible it states that it is between men and women, but since i have been on GTAforums, i have noticed that you are indeed not a christian, or a follower of any religion, i dont see where you get this, and since when does the presidents word decide the law, last time i checked, the united states had a congress that made the laws.

 

when have we seen animals having anal sex? when have humans and animals (meaning every animal except humans) become the same thing? When have you ever seen an animal compose music, or express themself artisticly? When have you seen an animal harness the power of electricity? Human's ablities to explore, (even amongst ourselves), Create, and be emotional is what makes us humans

that and a few million amino acids that make up our DNA

 

for the record, i do call bush ignorant

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Eviscero

To be perfectly clear I never directly called your dead dad a bigot. I asked.

 

Also, I HIGHLY doubt you knew this kid. You may have seen him. Hell, you probably hit him and mocked him often, but I'm pretty damn sure you didn't know him.

 

 

 

For the sake of argument, why don't I just go ahead and assume that your father was a bigot? Yeah. I think I will. I'll call him BigotDad. Since he was a bigot.

 

What's wrong with going around saying things like that? Not like I have to back it up, right? I just think it's right to call him a bigot. Don't yell at me because my opinion is different, "assmonger".

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BrassKnuckles

HoodyG and this topic have, cumulatively, caused me approximately 40 doubletakes, and my neck is sore. Please stop that.

 

 

Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do. Did you ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

You made this fine remark after Colicab noted that anal sex is possible between straight couples. It would be logical to disprove him, right? Instead, you noted that none of your friends had engaged in anal sex, and that it is "not the right thing to do."

 

Did I ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

Well, attempts at it have been documented. Homosexuality in animals is very prevalent (look to Azazel's post) and has long been scientific knowledge.

 

Would you then not agree that homosexuality is natural? Or did those chimpanzees just watch too much "Queer Eye?"

 

 

In case you didn't know, that is not what you have your genitalia for.

 

Genitalia were never meant for masturbation. Or sex for pleasure. Would you ever want to engage in either of those two activities? If you say yes, you're a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

 

 

I also don't want my children to grow up in a world where people call others names for saying we should stick to the way you were born.

 

Homosexuals are born homosexuals, and that's a fact. We can provide the studies. So should homosexuals not "stick to the way they were born," or what?

 

 

Second of all, wrong does not lead in a slightest way to "immoral", as those words are not synonymous.

 

This mystified me most of all. Could you clarify? If you don't mean "morally" wrong (or evil), what do you mean? Incorrect? Illegal? Ill-advised?

 

You have a very peculiar opinion. I'm glad you don't run our society. Thanks and good night.

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Goodfella.

HoodyG, why are you so against homosexuality? I mean most of your agrument just consists of "it's wrong because it's wrong", it's not.

 

If people of the same sex weren't supposed to make this choice then we wouldn't be able to, animals do infact have anal sex, my dog is pretty gay as it goes.

 

Oh and I hope your son turns out gay, your face would be hillarious....

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Elroy Doil

As long as they`re good parents who gives a flying f*ck.

 

 

 

Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do. Did you ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

 

 

What do you do, sit around dissaproving of anal sex? I participate in anal sex with my girl and she likes it, so I do it, as do plenty of other straight couples I know. Experimentation is key.

 

And I think I have saw animals involved in gay sex, but I wasnt sure and didnt stop to ask them.

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JackredluM

dogs and bulls in heat often grab anything that walks!

 

well HoodyG you can say you aren't ignorant but when so many people say it to you it must be true.

 

you still haven't answered why you don't like to see gays get married all you said was it is wrong to have anal-sex, yet nobody hurts you with it and they seem to enjoy it so let them.

it's not like they are going to rape you, infact most gay's are way to nice and a bunch of pussy's. they nag about what they wear like a bunch of girls, so let them be the way they are.

they can have huge assed orgies for all i care as long as i don't get disturbed by noises in the middle of the night.

i say let them get married, marriage is a big farce anyway nowadays with your mail-order brides and marriages that almost end as fast as they got married.

you have marriage drive-thru's in vegas for god's sake!!

if gay people stick together longer then most straights do nowadays then why shouldn't they get married!?

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Spectre95

I could give a rat's ass if gays get married...but when it comes to adopting children, thats just wrong. Every living thing on this Earth needs a mother and father. Not father/father or mother/mother...that is unhealthy and unatural for a child...and I feel sorry for kids that have to go through that.

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Harlem
Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do. Did you ever see an animal performing anal sex?

 

You made this fine remark after Colicab noted that anal sex is possible between straight couples. It would be logical to disprove him, right? Instead, you noted that none of your friends had engaged in anal sex, and that it is "not the right thing to do."

Actually, I pointed that out first but that really isn't that important.

 

 

Not me or any of my friends had anal sex. We are all straight and we disapprove it wholeheartedly. Because it is disgusting and not the right thing to do.

 

Have any of you had sex period? I feel sorry for any girl that dare let that penis come near her vagina. You show to be far to immature for anything like that as you can't even have an opinion which you can back up with facts.

 

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BenMillard

I feel obliged to point this out

Debates & Discussion

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And also this:
This forum is for structured discussion and debates on any topic you like. The idea is to have a specific section here in the non-gta related group for more interesting place to debate, away from the General Chat forum.

 

I will be moderating this forum heavily. Breach of rules as mentioned below probably won't result in stars/banning, but you will just be banned from this forum. One strike and you're could be out here.

 

The idea is promote fair discussion. This means that any personal attacks due to someone's opinion will not be tolerated. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, be it founded or unfounded. Anyone found lowering the tone of a discussion will simple have their post removed, and won't be welcome back again.

 

Pretty much any topic is exceptable, as long as you can fairly support your arguement. I want to encourage open minded debate.

 

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Those people who are saying that anything is "right" or "wrong" must state why this the case. Just saying "It's wrong because that's what I beleive" is not adequate. "It's wrong because it's against my religion" would be better but it really takes references to history, science, patterns in contemporary society and so on to justify these claims.

 

If you cannot justify your claims, don't even bother making it. Doesn't matter whether you are for or against homosexuality, you must back up what you say with thorough reasoning. Otherwise it is not a debate, it is just chatter.

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desert_eagle

I do not like the idea of same sex couples adopting children, I don't think it is healthy for the child's emotional development. Same reason why I do not like the idea of women who choose to have a baby alone.

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AllDoItTheSame
I think the developement of a child could be harmed, but in ways much less destructive than an abusive father, or a prostitute for a mother. When it comes for the child to learn about sex, the parents could explain it, having taken sex ed themselves, or if not, could learn it through school, as many schools do teach it. If that is not an option, there are many books on the subject of how to tell a son or daughter about sex and unless the same sex couple is too poor to afford this book, the child should remain mentally healthy and normal.

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Harlem

 

I think the developement of a child could be harmed, but in ways much less destructive than an abusive father, or a prostitute for a mother.  When it comes for the child to learn about sex, the parents could explain it, having taken sex ed themselves, or if not, could learn it through school, as many schools do teach it.  If that is not an option, there are many books on the subject of how to tell a son or daughter about sex and unless the same sex couple is too poor to afford this book, the child should remain mentally healthy and normal.

Come on, it's 2005, how many actually don't know anything about sex? It seems like common sense these days. I know of kids as young as 10 years old who know how to do it trough gossip around school.

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Eviscero

I think when it comes down to it, every person has a mother and a father, and that's how they should be raised whenever possible.

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AllDoItTheSame

Harlem

 

i was agreeing with your point of view, but in the case the parents are as dumb as some debaters make them seem, the child would be able to learn about it anyhow

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BenMillard

 

I do not like the idea of same sex couples adopting children, I don't think it is healthy for the child's emotional development. Same reason why I do not like the idea of women who choose to have a baby alone.
What evidence do you have for this suspicion?

 

 

I think the developement of a child could be harmed, but in ways much less destructive than an abusive father, or a prostitute for a mother.  When it comes for the child to learn about sex, the parents could explain it, having taken sex ed themselves, or if not, could learn it through school, as many schools do teach it.  If that is not an option, there are many books on the subject of how to tell a son or daughter about sex and unless the same sex couple is too poor to afford this book, the child should remain mentally healthy and normal.
In what way will the development of the child be harmed and how come this risk is unique to children with homosexual parents/guardians?

 

 

I think when it comes down to it, every person has a mother and a father, and that's how they should be raised whenever possible.
You forgot to post the part with the reasons. In fact, you seem to have forgotten that you are posting in the D&D area, much like many other contributors to this thread. As Stilton said: "Pretty much any topic is exceptable, as long as you can fairly support your arguement."

 

I have given the side which says homosexuals adopting children is not a problem, citing historical examples of homosexuality and how they were of no detriment to society. Furthermore, I pointed out that actual homosexuals simply do not match the labels being pressed upon them in this thread. I'm sure folks like Mortukai could be more specific and current with their own evidence showing why homosexuality is of no detriment to anybody and why they are no less able when it comes to raising a child.

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makeshyft
I do not like the idea of same sex couples adopting children, I don't think it is healthy for the child's emotional development. Same reason why I do not like the idea of women who choose to have a baby alone.

I was raised by a single mother, and not only was it not detrimental to my development, it was actually a positive. I have had some contact with my father, and I can assure you that if he had been present I would be a headcase.

 

Growing up in the industry I have, I have been surrounded by members of the gay community since the age of 8. And, something I found was that they are some of the warmest, loving and caring people I have ever met.

 

Granted, this doesn't apply all gay people, just like if I were to say that all straight people acted a certain way. But from my experience (and that's mostly what we have to base our opinions on) the gay people I know and have been friends with would make teriffic parents.

 

There are a heap of heterosexual couples I don't think should have children. I don't think I should, not yet anyhow. It should come down to whether you have it in you to nurture and care for a childs development, not your sexual preference.

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Eviscero
I think when it comes down to it, every person has a mother and a father, and that's how they should be raised whenever possible.
You forgot to post the part with the reasons. In fact, you seem to have forgotten that you are posting in the D&D area, much like many other contributors to this thread. As Stilton said: "Pretty much any topic is exceptable, as long as you can fairly support your arguement."

 

I have given the side which says homosexuals adopting children is not a problem, citing historical examples of homosexuality and how they were of no detriment to society. Furthermore, I pointed out that actual homosexuals simply do not match the labels being pressed upon them in this thread. I'm sure folks like Mortukai could be more specific and current with their own evidence showing why homosexuality is of no detriment to anybody and why they are no less able when it comes to raising a child.

Erm, first of all, please refrain from taking that condescending "tone" with me. I ran this forum for longer than you. I'm well aware of the requirements for good debate. My stance isn't a very complicated one.

 

Since all people were born of a mother and a father, the natural thing to do would be to be raised by both if at all possible. If not, substitutes would be the next best thing. A substitute for the father and the mother which should happen to be of the corresponding gender.

 

Now you, on the other hand, have not given reasons why homosexuals should be able to adopt children. You've stated that homosexuals are not a detriment to society. I'm not arguing that. But then again, that has nothing to do with whether or not they should raise children. By themselves, they have no negative impact on society. You've said that through your historical references. I challenge you, now, since historical references seem to be key to your argument - find a historical reference from any time of any creature being raised by two parents of the same sex. I highly doubt you'll find it.

 

Why would you toy with millions of years of genetic development, social patterns, and evolution in such a dramatic way?

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