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Terri Schiavo

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Hard Margin
What about mentally retarded people? Or insane people? Or old people? Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

No, because they're the ones that are in government. tounge.gif

 

I can't come to a clear decision in my head about this one. There is no way that we can know what her wants are, given her mental state. Whether or not the family want to keep her alive or let her die is irrelevant, it's not their decision no matter how closely they're related. All the mixed messages from the media and government aren't helping either. On one hand, they revoke the right to abortion and ban euthanasia, but then they turn around and let this woman die.

 

That said, I would be leaning more towards letting her die (I assume by now she's already dead). I lost my grandmother just under a year ago to an aneurysm, and she was left in a vegetative state for about 2 months (although she was constantly deteriorating). You're in two minds when it's someone close to you, becuase you want to see them die peacefully and not in this state, but on the other hand you want to keep them alive in case there is any glimmer of hope in them recovering.

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http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/03/22/image682101x.jpg

 

Is that a cult?

 

Let her die, she is going to die from her brain damage anyway. Keeping her around is like making someone who died in a house fire sit in that fire for 14 years before they burnt to death.

No way. She is going to die suffering. She is going to starve to death and it will take 2 weeks. I mean c'mon thats not even f*cking right.

No she's not. Dieing by starvation (ketosis) is a natural process.

 

 

In advanced cases of ketosis, the nervous system response is dulled, and patients rarely feel pain, hunger or thirst. There is also some evidence that ketosis can produce a state of well-being or mild euphoria.
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Mewish
If I wouldn't get persecuted I'd shoot her. It's a respectable way to die. I wouldn't want to die a pussy veggie death, I would want a little more action involved. And actually, ketosis is just like a quite euphoric death. Technically she's starving, but it's not like she's all "give me a big mac, nigermuffin!" I nreality, Teri Schiavo will die a peaceful death, Christians will bitch for 20 minutes and donate more money to religious charities.

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Mewish, you sicken me. But your right, I'd want someone to come and shoot me rather than just melt away.

 

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If she truly has no chance of ever coming back (by which I mean something near a fully functioning brain), which seems to be the case, then I don't see much point keeping her alive. I really don't think money should have anything to do with it.

 

The most important thing is her wishes, and if hers are unknown, her husband's wishes. They should have the final say.

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HoodyG

Did you know that Terry Schiavo's parents are giving away tapes with footage of Terry in her bed for every 100$ donation to keep her alive? Talk about political exploitation, they just want to get their way at no matter what cost! Is that what Terry would have wanted?

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JackredluM

what is your obsession with shooting somebody?? lethal injection not humane enough for ya, you rather have a closed coffin when you go.

seems weird to me, look this woman is braindead and she isn't going to recover the "humane" thing to do is lethal injection, not shooting her.

it is bad enough civilians run around with guns now you want to give them to doctors aswell?? think man.

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GTACJ

Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

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HoodyG

 

Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

                                              1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

Hey they had 15 years to say goodbye and they ruined Terry's reputation/ image in her last days by selling her out for money and using images/ videos of her as a political tool. They are asses. If I was Terry in her last hours and had just ten minutes of Consciences I would kick their asses. Well I wouldn't but I would be pretty pissed. They only publically insulted Michael for being the only person who stood up for Terry. They did not deserve to see her.

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Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

                                              1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

Hey they had 15 years to say goodbye and they ruined Terry's reputation/ image in her last days by selling her out for money and using images/ videos of her as a political tool. They are asses. If I was Terry in her last hours and had just ten minutes of Consciences I would kick their asses. Well I wouldn't but I would be pretty pissed. They only publically insulted Michael for being the only person who stood up for Terry. They did not deserve to see her.

Stood up for? Pull your head out of your bum and understand that that's only what the husband says she wanted. Her friends and blood relatives say otherwise. He waited how long to reveal is little secret of her wishes? Seven years after she was incapacitated? For the record, it's Terri.

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Stood up for? Pull your head out of your bum and understand that that's only what the husband says she wanted. Her friends and blood relatives say otherwise. He waited how long to reveal is little secret of her wishes? Seven years after she was incapacitated? For the record, it's Terri.

Nobody has ever said otherwise, yet there are several other people who testified that terri had previously told them she would not want to live on life support. Michael also waited until all hope of any treatment actually working on terri was gone until getting a court to determine her wishes in this case. Pull your head out of your bum indeed.

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Stood up for? Pull your head out of your bum and understand that that's only what the husband says she wanted. Her friends and blood relatives say otherwise. He waited how long to reveal is little secret of her wishes? Seven years after she was incapacitated? For the record, it's Terri.

Nobody has ever said otherwise, yet there are several other people who testified that terri had previously told them she would not want to live on life support. Michael also waited until all hope of any treatment actually working on terri was gone until getting a court to determine her wishes in this case. Pull your head out of your bum indeed.

There's people who testified from both sides, so why do you presume the husband is telling the truth and not her own blood? And still, why would he wait 7 years? His attorney didn't even know until then.

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why do you presume the husband is telling the truth and not her own blood?

Because they were all pretty desperate that they would resort to any means of lying - which they did, and public humiliation - which they put Terry through all this time, especially in the three last days of her life when they literally had a yard sale on footages of her in that wreched condition Terry never would have wanted to be in let alone let the world to see!

Why don't you believe her husband is it really that uncommon for a spouse to tell her husband something she wouldn't to her parents? Imagine how it would be if she had to tell them exactly everything the way she told Michael.

And on that note, I've said it before, would you like to live in that condicion?

Would any of you conservative pricks that spent hours into the night " praying for her live"? It's your fault the case got all that publicty, especially her parents'. I bet You wouldn't. I'm sure she would have been very sad if she had known what was going on and she would think it was all her fault. She never WANTED to be a vegetable, she never would have wanted to be SEEN as a vegetable, and yet her douche bag parents sold those videos of her in that state, in order to do just the opposite, KEEP her alive. Uugh. Half wits.

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Lazzo
There's people who testified from both sides, so why do you presume the husband is telling the truth and not her own blood? And still, why would he wait 7 years? His attorney didn't even know until then.

Read his entire post. He answered the question.

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ilikensrs
There's people who testified from both sides, so why do you presume the husband is telling the truth and not her own blood? And still, why would he wait 7 years? His attorney didn't even know until then.

Terris parents testified that terri had never discussed the issue with them, and that even if she had made it clear that she wanted her life support turned off they still would not have done so. Michael waited 7 years to have a court hearing about her wishes because he spent those 7 years making sure that terri got every treatment available, including experimental therapy in california, and as such he had no need for an attorney.

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why do you presume the husband is telling the truth and not her own blood?

Because they were all pretty desperate that they would resort to any means of lying - which they did, and public humiliation - which they put Terry through all this time, especially in the three last days of her life when they literally had a yard sale on footages of her in that wreched condition Terry never would have wanted to be in let alone let the world to see!

Why don't you believe her husband is it really that uncommon for a spouse to tell her husband something she wouldn't to her parents? Imagine how it would be if she had to tell them exactly everything the way she told Michael.

And on that note, I've said it before, would you like to live in that condicion?

Would any of you conservative pricks that spent hours into the night " praying for her live"? It's your fault the case got all that publicty, especially her parents'. I bet You wouldn't. I'm sure she would have been very sad if she had known what was going on and she would think it was all her fault. She never WANTED to be a vegetable, she never would have wanted to be SEEN as a vegetable, and yet her douche bag parents sold those videos of her in that state, in order to do just the opposite, KEEP her alive. Uugh. Half wits.

None of what you say is vaild due to it all being opinion. Does it matter how I would want to live? It also doesn't matter how you want to live for the reason that this isn't about us. You have no right to determine what someone's condition of life should be. Also, why should someone who only knows someone for 5 years get to determine their fate, over the will of the people who created that person?

 

 

Terris parents testified that terri had never discussed the issue with them, and that even if she had made it clear that she wanted her life support turned off they still would not have done so. Michael waited 7 years to have a court hearing about her wishes because he spent those 7 years making sure that terri got every treatment available, including experimental therapy in california, and as such he had no need for an attorney.

 

Funny, I havn't heard any of that before, not even on CBS or CNN.

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mikehaze

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see the parent's testimony in there. Point me in the correct direction?

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Barbaneez

I hope they don't pull the plug on her, poor woman.

Someday she will recover!

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JackredluM

yeah right recover from the dead?! that would be a first!

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Barbaneez
yeah right recover from the dead?! that would be a first!

I shift from opinion to opinion. wink.gif

 

Naw, April fools.

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tehhunter

I wonder if Terri Shiavo was gay what the republicans/catholics decison would be for her.

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GTACJ
Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

                                              1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

Hey they had 15 years to say goodbye and they ruined Terry's reputation/ image in her last days by selling her out for money and using images/ videos of her as a political tool. They are asses. If I was Terry in her last hours and had just ten minutes of Consciences I would kick their asses. Well I wouldn't but I would be pretty pissed. They only publically insulted Michael for being the only person who stood up for Terry. They did not deserve to see her.

Alright hoody. Say goody bye in advance 15 years earlyer? Not possible becouse they didn't have 15 years to ass.They had 13 days to. O and haveing a police officer escourt them out of the room is realy responsible to not let her own famly see her in her final hour. sarcasm.gif O and showing pictures and tapes of her is real bad ain't it? sarcasm.gif I sopose showing them to try to prove that she is not in a vegitateive state is terrible ain't it. sarcasm.gif And tell me how Michel stood up for Terri? I would like to see you try. rah.gif

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Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

                                              1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

Hey they had 15 years to say goodbye and they ruined Terry's reputation/ image in her last days by selling her out for money and using images/ videos of her as a political tool. They are asses. If I was Terry in her last hours and had just ten minutes of Consciences I would kick their asses. Well I wouldn't but I would be pretty pissed. They only publically insulted Michael for being the only person who stood up for Terry. They did not deserve to see her.

Alright hoody. Say goody bye in advance 15 years earlyer? Not possible becouse they didn't have 15 years to ass.They had 13 days to. O and haveing a police officer escourt them out of the room is realy responsible to not let her own famly see her in her final hour. sarcasm.gif O and showing pictures and tapes of her is real bad ain't it? sarcasm.gif I sopose showing them to try to prove that she is not in a vegitateive state is terrible ain't it. sarcasm.gif And tell me how Michel stood up for Terri? I would like to see you try. rah.gif

Are you new or something? Did you pay attention to the press at all?

 

Apparently, you are, so listen up bud:

 

Michael Schiavo was the only responsible member of the Schiavo family. At the wedding the father handed over his daughter (Both physically and spiritually) to him, with this custom going all the way back to the Roman era of time. He has the authority now over his wife. It makes no difference that he has a girlfriend and two kids now. What is he supposed to do? Wait for 15 years so that a huge media display can turn her into media fodder?

 

The bottom line is that her parents sold their own daughter out. Its pretty hard, no no, impossible to prove that Terri was not in a vegative state, going against the hundreds of doctors that have seen Terri/Terri's tapes. After 15 years of disuse and after 14 minutes without oxygen, the top half of Terri's brain suffocated because her lungs ceased moving. What happened to her, after her suicide, was that her air couldn't reach her brain. The cells, therefore, died because they are aerobic respirators and therefore use oxygen in fermentation.

 

So, she is brain dead. Her parents sold her out, and made her a tool of the republican party/right-wing media. Is that what you would like your parents to do? To show every tape of you and give them over as property to the highest bidder? Please, Michael was being a good husband and you need to stop listening to your parents, because I am damn sure that is where you got your argument from.

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GTACJ
Terri Schiavo is now dead.....

                                              1963-2005

She is to be cremated by order of Michel Schiavo.

 

Note- Michel Schiavo ordered Terri Schiavo's parents out of Terri's room at her final hour. What a ass. die2.gif

Hey they had 15 years to say goodbye and they ruined Terry's reputation/ image in her last days by selling her out for money and using images/ videos of her as a political tool. They are asses. If I was Terry in her last hours and had just ten minutes of Consciences I would kick their asses. Well I wouldn't but I would be pretty pissed. They only publically insulted Michael for being the only person who stood up for Terry. They did not deserve to see her.

Alright hoody. Say goody bye in advance 15 years earlyer? Not possible becouse they didn't have 15 years to ass.They had 13 days to. O and haveing a police officer escourt them out of the room is realy responsible to not let her own famly see her in her final hour. sarcasm.gif O and showing pictures and tapes of her is real bad ain't it? sarcasm.gif I sopose showing them to try to prove that she is not in a vegitateive state is terrible ain't it. sarcasm.gif And tell me how Michel stood up for Terri? I would like to see you try. rah.gif

1.Are you new or something? Did you pay attention to the press at all?

 

Apparently, you are, so listen up bud:

 

2.Michael Schiavo was the only responsible member of the Schiavo family. At the wedding the father handed over his daughter (Both physically and spiritually) to him, with this custom going all the way back to the Roman era of time. He has the authority now over his wife. It makes no difference that he has a girlfriend and two kids now. What is he supposed to do? Wait for 15 years so that a huge media display can turn her into media fodder?

 

3.The bottom line is that her parents sold their own daughter out. Its pretty hard, no no, impossible to prove that Terri was not in a vegative state, going against the hundreds of doctors that have seen Terri/Terri's tapes. After 15 years of disuse and after 14 minutes without oxygen, the top half of Terri's brain suffocated because her lungs ceased moving. What happened to her, after her suicide, was that her air couldn't reach her brain. The cells, therefore, died because they are aerobic respirators and therefore use oxygen in fermentation.

4.

So, she is brain dead. Her parents sold her out, and made her a tool of the republican party/right-wing media. Is that what you would like your parents to do? To show every tape of you and give them over as property to the highest bidder? Please, Michael was being a good husband and you need to stop listening to your parents, because I am damn sure that is where you got your argument from.

1.First off , why do you think im new did you see the date I singed up? (Note I labled your paragraphs for organization... 1 2 3 4)

 

2.Tell me how he was responsible? You neber told me how he was respomsible be haveing a police officer escort her brother ans sister out of her room. And yes it dois make a diference you know why? Becouse , he broke her marridel vowls. That makes him unresponsible to go off and start a nother life and sleep and have children with a nother women.

 

3. Alright, you should read sentances more carefully. It would save you a lot of writeing.And I quote

I sopose showing them to try to prove that she is not in a vegitateive state is terrible ain't it.

 

4. I didn't get my arguement from just the parent I got it from her hurban and I listened to the facts about her being a vegitable. Again I said

I sopose showing them to try to prove that she is not in a vegitateive state is terrible ain't it.

Alright. And you never told me why he was a good husban , tell me becouse it apears to me that all you listened to was slandered news storys.

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I like many other think it was cruel the way they killed her. My starved her for almost two weeks and made her suffer, to where they could have just gave her a eithal injection and it would have ended in a matter of minutes.

 

I mean if I was in the state she was in I would want someone to give me a eithal injection instead of starving me to death.

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I like many other think it was cruel the way they killed her. My starved her for almost two weeks and made her suffer, to where they could have just gave her a eithal injection and it would have ended in a matter of minutes.

 

I mean if I was in the state she was in I would want someone to give me a eithal injection instead of starving me to death.

If this is about what I think it is about, I do beleive that due to her state she could not sense herself being starved, in which case I guess wouldn't mean that it's not cruel but it means she didn't suffer the feeling of starvation. I'm not sure that what I heard about her not being able to feel it is true, but that is what I'm told.

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dr zoidberg

Yes, but giving her a lethal injection is an assisted suicide which is illegal. Although I doubt she could feel the pain of starvation, even if she did she's still been suffering for the past 15 years and it would have been cruel if we'd kept her alive in that condition. Basically what i'm saying is that an end to pain is better than pain.

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I like many other think it was cruel the way they killed her. My starved her for almost two weeks and made her suffer, to where they could have just gave her a eithal injection and it would have ended in a matter of minutes.

 

I mean if I was in the state she was in I would want someone to give me a eithal injection instead of starving me to death.

If this is about what I think it is about, I do beleive that due to her state she could not sense herself being starved, in which case I guess wouldn't mean that it's not cruel but it means she didn't suffer the feeling of starvation. I'm not sure that what I heard about her not being able to feel it is true, but that is what I'm told.

I was told on the news that the part of her brain that was affected was indeed her pain receptors. So I think she went peacefully.

 

I'm just glad it's all over now. Poor woman cryani.gif

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Red Hat Girl

Hi all,

 

I wanted to post this link to a blog about the case from the side of Sunsara Taylor, who became involved when she saw how the laws were being torn apart and the dangerous precedent being set with this case. She was interviewed on Fox.

 

http://sunsara.blogspot.com

 

(most of that page is about the Terri case but there's some other things too)

(She has interesting pictures and perspective)

 

redhatgirl

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