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D Jones

Terri Schiavo

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D Jones

Info On Terri Schiavo.

 

Alright basically she is brain dead. Her husband who I believe has been married to her more than a decade wants to pull the plug and not let her suffer. On the other hand the family wants to keep her alive and they still believe that she can survive. And I believe she has been like this for awhile now.

 

What would do and why ?

 

I would Pull the Plug. I wound't want her to suffer.

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Chunky Lee Chong

I believe she's been in that state for fifteen years.

 

As sad as it is, it would be best to pull the plug. It's not worth going through that much pain for fifteen years.

 

If anything ever happens to me like that, I'm going to go with a DNR. confused.gif

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tehhunter

She is brain-dead after her suicide. This does not mean "Oh, theres a slight chance she could come back to normal". This means "Damn, her brain has actually turned to a liquid over all of these years of inactivity."

 

Basically, she has two sections of the brain working for her that give her lifelike appearence: One that all animals like cats and dogs have (for intelligence), and the other to simply control bodily functions.

 

She is dead, technically. Wasting anymore money on her is rediculous, as it takes the tax-payers money to keep her alive for what reason? She is not productive to the economy. Thats how capitalism works: You pay for a service. She is being paid for by the government to do nothing.

 

Pull the plug, unless her relatives will pay for her herself. Then I have no qualms nor cares.

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Insane

Yea, I'm tired of paying taxes to keep people who need to live off of machines and are in a psychological coma, alive. She hasn't spoke, moved, or been able to do anything on her own for 14 years...you can only keep hope for so long, than after that time has passed, it's merely a lost dream.

 

As sad as it is, they need to pull the plug. Keeping her alive is just prolonging the inevitable, and wasting money.

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mikehaze
She is not productive to the economy.

Neither are liberals but you don't see them being denied of life, do you? This debate should really be about who it's up to, not what you think should be done if up to you. I personally think a court review should be done to identify the most reliable guardian in the said person's life. In most cases, I would hope the spouse would be that, but in the case of Terri Schiavo I think the parents should have responsibility.

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Magephil
She is not productive to the economy.

Neither are liberals but you don't see them being denied of life, do you?\

What the f*ck is that supposed to mean? Do Liberals not have jobs? Keep your stupid generalizations out of this debate.

 

Tehhunter: Your views are very disturbing. Homeless people dont contribute to the economy, but they are still allowed to live. Living is a human right.

 

In regards to the debate, I think they should pull the plug. Her only purpose in life seems to be to feel pain. She is no longer truly human; she is brain dead. Do her the favour.

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mikehaze
What the f*ck is that supposed to mean? Do Liberals not have jobs? Keep your stupid generalizations out of this debate.

 

Haha, sorry if you took that offensively. I was actually not being serious with that.

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leper73

I believe they should let her die, as there is literally no way to save her. At the same time, I don't agree with the way they are letting her die. I don't believe she can sense pain, but starvation is still a horrible way to go. She should get a lethal injection like they give death row criminals, to ensure her death is quick and painless.

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LordDiablo
I believe they should let her die, as there is literally no way to save her. At the same time, I don't agree with the way they are letting her die. I don't believe she can sense pain, but starvation is still a horrible way to go. She should get a lethal injection like they give death row criminals, to ensure her death is quick and painless.

I think if the hospitals gave her a shot though it'd be considered assisted suicide which is illegal.

 

So starvation is the only way the hospital can do it.

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MissileDefender

Yes, id let her die

Im not a sick person but it isnt fair to let a person live a life that goes no were, Im not meaning that in a bad way

But she should be allowed to die, Its for the best she ends the "pain"

 

But i think starvation is a awful way 2 die, Its just wrong

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tehhunter

 

She is not productive to the economy.

Neither are liberals but you don't see them being denied of life, do you? This debate should really be about who it's up to, not what you think should be done if up to you. I personally think a court review should be done to identify the most reliable guardian in the said person's life. In most cases, I would hope the spouse would be that, but in the case of Terri Schiavo I think the parents should have responsibility.

Funny. Those damn liberals, huh? The fact I find funniest is that if you call me a liberal, you are labeling yourself a conservative. How this is ironic is that she is exactly what you conservatives hate: A useless person. The kind that uses welfare, but doesn't actually do anything for the economy. So, somehow I'm a liberal for saying shes a drain on the economy.

 

Heads up buddy: Were fighting a war. In the time Terry has been on the news at least 10 soldiers have been killed in Iraq. f*ck those soldiers, aye? I mean, They get paid and they do a service. But Mrs. Schiavo, however, gets paid to do nothing. Lets focus on saving her life, right?

 

So, in short, you made a statement so moronic that you didn't even bother to make sure it made logical sense. Bravo, for the conservative. No wonder your kind vote for Bush.

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Spidey.

All political rants aside from people who don't have the right to vote yet...

 

 

I think that they should pull the plug. Personally i don't think the terri schiavo that her parents and family knew and love is in there anymore. All it is now is a face, she's totally brain dead. Let's face it. I know it's sad, but they have to let go. To keep her alive like that just so they can see her alive isn't fair to her, and i guess it's not fair to the taxpayers (who would probobly still pay taxes towards the same thing anyway, even if there wasn't a big thing with keepin brain dead paitents alive.) either.

 

The right to live is one thing, but she isn't living in our defintion of it.

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Mafia Righthand_Man

The chances of her coming back are slimmer than slim. She has already been announced to be in a persistent vegetative state (I believe that's what it's called). I don't know why the parents want to keep her alive like this but it's time to let her go. On the more insensitive side, we're having to pay money to keep her alive but there really is no more hope left. It's been 15 years.

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D Jones
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/03/22/image682101x.jpg

 

Is that a cult?

 

Let her die, she is going to die from her brain damage anyway. Keeping her around is like making someone who died in a house fire sit in that fire for 14 years before they burnt to death.

No way. She is going to die suffering. She is going to starve to death and it will take 2 weeks. I mean c'mon thats not even f*cking right.

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nightwalker83

To quote me on another forum:

 

 

There's absolutely no point keeping her alive any longer, she's been like that for fifteen years without improvement. What makes them think Teri Schiavo is going to improve? I reckon the family is only keeping her alive because of their very retarded religious beliefs.

 

 

Anyway that's my opinion.

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SloStenRacing
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/03/22/image682101x.jpg

 

Is that a cult?

 

Let her die, she is going to die from her brain damage anyway. Keeping her around is like making someone who died in a house fire sit in that fire for 14 years before they burnt to death.

No way. She is going to die suffering. She is going to starve to death and it will take 2 weeks. I mean c'mon thats not even f*cking right.

Well I don't want to pay for her to be no help or anything to society but a lump of skin in a hospital for the next 15 years.

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Eviscero

What about mentally retarded people? Or insane people? Or old people? Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

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Saggy

You know, as much as I'd not like to make this out to look like a political fiasco, it is. That's pretty much all it's become as of now. I mean, the majority of America seems to be the type that want to reserve her life, and guess which side Bush has just favored.

 

 

Personally, I don't undersatnd how naysayers can claim it's not the right thing to do. I understand some Christians may believe that doing so would be acting as god, but what about the human intervention in itself? If it weren't for us hooking her up to those machines, she would be dead now.

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SloStenRacing
What about mentally retarded people? Or insane people? Or old people? Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

They are not completely worthless to society I am afraid. They still get and spend money keeping the economy and such running smoothly.

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ilikensrs
What about mentally retarded people? Or insane people? Or old people? Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

She's not mentally retarded in the traditional sense. She is missing most if not all of her cerebral cortex, and is more of an organic machine than a sentient being.

The issue regarding removing her feeding tube is not that she is an unproductive member of society, but that she has stated previously, to several witnesses, that should she ever be in a position as she is in now, she would not like to be kept alive by artificial means.

To mikehaze, the issue has been through the courts numerous times, with the parents constantly changing their position. At the end of the day, her husband was shown to be a caring person who wanted terris interests best served, whilst the parents were people who felt that they can and should override the wishes of their daughter. What makes you say that in this case that they should be appointed as her guardians?

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tehhunter
What about mentally retarded people? Or insane people? Or old people? Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

Keeping Terri alive PER YEAR costs $100,000. That means she has spent give-or-take $1.5 million in her fifteen years in the hospital, to do absolutely nothing. I mean, come on, this is rediculous. Old people have contributed. Sick people are temporairily disabled, but she is permenantly disabled. Do you think pissing out more money for her will do any good for the already fscked economy?

 

For a conservative, Evis, I'm surprised at your viewpoint. Seems like your kind like to piss money away nowadays on stupid sh*t like this. The average soldier's life insurance runs at like $50,000 and they risk their life. Terri does nothing. Let her rott, for all I care. Shes one person, and there are many more suffering people in the world.

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jizzyman
What about mentally retarded people?  Or insane people?  Or old people?  Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

They are not completely worthless to society I am afraid. They still get and spend money keeping the economy and such running smoothly.

So basically everyone who doesn't consume is not worth keeping alive? And I'm not paying taxes for this, I couldn't care less. And tehunter, you know that every person in the United States has to pay only a few cents in taxes to achieve that sum right?

 

So If you say that if I stop buying and grow my own food I should be done away with because I don't buy to feed the economy?

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tehhunter
What about mentally retarded people?  Or insane people?  Or old people?  Should we kill them because they're not helping society?

They are not completely worthless to society I am afraid. They still get and spend money keeping the economy and such running smoothly.

So basically everyone who doesn't consume is not worth keeping alive? And I'm not paying taxes for this, I couldn't care less. And tehunter, you know that every person in the United States has to pay only a few cents in taxes to achieve that sum right?

 

So If you say that if I stop buying and grow my own food I should be done away with because I don't buy to feed the economy?

Don't change my argument. Sure, everyone pays a few cents for that. But then it builds up to $1.5 million dollars. Thats more money than most americans will come across in their entire lives. That much has been spent on keeping someone who is technically dead alive. Shes not even really vegative. At the moment, her level of intelligence and comprehension is about the same as an earth worm. Yep, an earth worm.

 

That money could be going towards things that help MANY people live, instead of preventing one person from dying. You know, like helping senior citzens pay for perscriptions, or for homeless shelters. Something that actually helps people. Face it: Terri is dead. She tried to kill herself. The husband thinks she should be allowed to die now. He is the head of her family. At her wedding, the father handed over his daughter to him. Ergo, he is in the position to decide her fate. Not the parents. Not the government. Not Bush. No one but him is eligable to decide this, and anyone who says anything else is misinformed.

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jizzyman

Yes but if he wants more time with his dying wife (or dead wife) shouldn't his wish be respected? Sure the money is a lot more than most people will come across in their life.

 

Actually, why is this supported by the government? He should pay for it out of his pocket for one

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Hunter¥
I think they should atleast give her her bloody feading tube while they f*ck around with her fate..

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Barbaneez

TehHunter, my thoughts exactly. I pretty much agree to all you have said.

 

Sure, I think it's sad to do that to someone, but she is never going to recoup and her parents are friggen nuts if they honestly believe that. If I were to be in a state like that, I would want to die. 15 years of this nonsense, just put a stop to it. It's costing us, she's never going to regain absolutely anything of what she said before.

 

Stupid analogy: But, would it make much more sense to go into your backyard and find a tree that had been snapped with part of it split open and try and save it? Of course not. Plant a new tree. Terri's soul is the new tree, and right now she's the tree knocked over that's never going to come back - it's just going to sit there on the ground and rot.

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LordDiablo
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/03/22/image682101x.jpg

 

Is that a cult?

 

Let her die, she is going to die from her brain damage anyway. Keeping her around is like making someone who died in a house fire sit in that fire for 14 years before they burnt to death.

No way. She is going to die suffering. She is going to starve to death and it will take 2 weeks. I mean c'mon thats not even f*cking right.

I'm pretty sure here cerebral cortex is f'ed in the A. Which also makes her ability to feel pain f'ed in the A which means she won't even feel the pain of starvation.

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millermagic

My take on this:

She is brain dead. They pulled the plug and the only way that she will die is starvation and thirst. In my opinion, the best thing to do would be pull the plug and ... this part may get people mad ... give her pain killing drugs (even if she can't feel anything, an insurance policy) or possibly something that humanely "pull the plug". I believe the doctors that there is absolutely zero chance for recovery.

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BritishGangsta45

I believe that she should at least be killed in a more humane way. Being without food or water for 1.5 weeks must be complete hell.

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