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Why is marijuana illegal?

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stalker666-x

smoking anything makes me chuck biscuits

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AllDoItTheSame

sweet and jack:

 

dont mind all of the closeminded people who try to defend a point about not doing marijuana

Can anyone here honestly say theyve seen someone do weed and be violent? Or Dangerous? I've seen the difference between a drunk driver and a high one and i'd take high any day. The worst think weed makes you do is get hungry and fall asleep, and is only illeagal in the first place because of racism towards mexicans, much like the way cuban cigars are illeagal. Dont flame me, ill just assume you closeminded assholes hate me.

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HoodyG

Open my mind, give me a stick!

Many people would not take the risk of putting their life and the life of their family in hands of someone who might fall asleep at the wheel any second nimrod! Who cares what an addicted birdbrain like you thinks?

"I've seen the difference between a drunk driver and a high one and i'd take high any day." you say, well I would choose to be locked up in a home with a bandit rather than a terrorist any day too, but would rather neither. So what most law obeying tax payers think > you think.

It's the people who don't do drugs that form laws and are responsible for safety of the people. And it is the whining scum like you who oppose those laws, so they can do what they want and put people's lives at risk.

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Tom Hagan

Here in Canada its not illegal. You can have small amounts on your person but im not sure if you cant smoke it in public. I say if you want to smoke it, dont drive unless you are fully capable. For example : There should be a driving test you take when your high to see if your allowed to smoke up then drive.

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JackredluM

 

It's the people who don't do drugs that form laws
american laws are written by a bunch of crackheads, and police use drugs and alcohol aswell.

you really have to stop believing stereotypes, you think every druguser lies in the gutter.

well there are sh*tloads that have highpaying jobs with lots of influence, sometimes so much that they think they are above the law.

Never seen Brad Pitt ending up in the gutter, and he smoked weed regularly when he lived in Amsterdam.

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HoodyG

Smoking weed in Amsterdam is legal, that's why you do it isn't it?

 

sh*tloads that have highpaying jobs with lots of influence, sometimes so much that they think they are above the law.

Untill you have solid proof supporting that, you cannot say so. There's just no grounds.

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JackredluM

Bill Clinton and George W. bush not good enough for ya?? google yourself!

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HoodyG

First Bill Clinton, now George W Bush. I seriously don't know where this comes from.

Yes, I Googled and found results, not evidence however of them trying marijuana. I never heard of any of this on tv news, and I assure you, that if it was true, it would be not only all over the media, not just news but many sitcoms etc. making fun of the presidents, but it would also have been used against the president in the election campaign. I know Clinton is a pervert, and Bush a nutjob, but that's not giving a big enough hint that they in fact do did drugs.

I will not bring that to question however, as I am stumped. I guess it helped Bush find the God if he did smoke it, because he's a religious freak!

 

P. S. I'm not saying drugs make you religious, but then I would have to try them myself to judge. Haha.

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JackredluM

then you must have no t.v. in your home cause even i saw Bush say that he smoked weed in his college years. just see the movie "grass" it is not going to make you smoke weed or do drugs it just tells you more about the other side of marijuana, and come back after you've seen it.

 

and you know what the Betty Ford clinic is? heck even i know and you dare say only gutter trash use drugs, shame on you! you have 1 of those stinky V-chips or something that blocks anything drugrelated to your house?

 

the propaganda you americans are fed reminds me of how hitler fed the nazi's his twisted views, you run with blinds on so you only see what the goverment wants you to see.

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AllDoItTheSame

hoody, when did i ever say that i smoked? or was addicted? And calling me a birdbrain will get you no where

 

and just for the record, scientists in sandiego found that the only long term negative effects of smoking marijuana were memory and learning problems. And by the time your 50, if you smoked, youd be too lazy to want to learn anything anyways.

 

The debate here was suposed to be about why marijuana is illeagal, and im really not sure why, seeing as how it has so many practical and medicinal uses, and to this day has yet to be PROVEN to be a so called "gateway drug". surveys that back this up cannot be completely accurate, neither can any survey, and if marijuana was legal, people wouldnt need to assosciate with drug dealers and therefore would be less likely to be pressured into useing harder drugs

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HoodyG
hoody, when did i ever say that i smoked? or was addicted? And calling me a birdbrain will get you no where

And calling me "a dipsh*t with a dumbass, closeminded opinion on everything... wise the f*ck up dumbass ", and "closeminded... closeminded assholes" (referring to people like me as I am the only one fitting the criteria), will get you on a fast track to heaven?

 

I'm also pretty sure you said you "watched news while hi and you were enlightened" or something like that.

And I wonder why was I thinking you are addicted, when you're apparently the only clean person who would even think of being in a car driven by a hi person. So stereotypical of me.

 

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Tom Hagan
hoody, when did i ever say that i smoked? or was addicted?  And calling me a birdbrain will get you no where

And calling me "a dipsh*t with a dumbass, closeminded opinion on everything... wise the f*ck up dumbass ", and "closeminded... closeminded assholes" (referring to people like me as I am the only one fitting the criteria), will get you on a fast track to heaven?

 

I'm also pretty sure you said you "watched news while hi and you were enlightened" or something like that.

And I wonder why was I thinking you are addicted, when you're apparently the only clean person who would even think of being in a car driven by a hi person. So stereotypical of me.

Actually, I wouldnt mind driving with high people around, they are more cautious than anyone else. Before making a turn into traffic, they would make sure there is no cars for almost a mile... How do I know, Ive seen high people drive like that.

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AllDoItTheSame

that wasnt me it was biggceemoney who said the news thing

 

high people are in no way as you percieve them. A high person is no different that when they are normally, the only difference is they can play music, pingpong and videogames (just a few examples of things ive noticed) a hell of a lot better, and they enjoy laughing. They just feel better, in fact if you look around, there are drugs everywhere. Its not just those homeless guys in the gutter or hippies or lazy asses. There are teachers, lawyers, yes even doctors that do it. There was a paper written that said if a man were to skydive into the city of seattle randomly, he would land within four miles of an underground marijuana farm (and by this i mean some place that grows weed in secret, not literally a farm under the ground). It loosens people up. How much experience do you have with being around people who smoke?

 

to close, i would like to say that any drug in moderation is no problem. The only problem is some drugs cannot be used in moderation.

 

very good point mr hogan /\ /\ /\

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JackredluM

i second that i remember when i was high the first time, when i walked around i walked around cars in a huge radius.

but i don't endorse people driving like that cause going slow is more dangerous then speeding, senior citizens often have accidents that way!

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HoodyG
but i don't endorse people driving like that cause going slow is more dangerous then speeding, senior citizens often have accidents that way!

How true. Watch that Southpark episode about senior citizen drivers.

Anyway, that's pretty much what I wanted to point out. I don't give a wooden dime who does drugs, but I am afraid for the safety of me and my family. And every other citizen, shouldn't put people's lives on line, just because someone wants to be better at videogames and smile.

And I'm afraid that if weed becomes legal, there will be many more hi drivers. I can't trust some people on internet who claim it's safer to drive hi just to get marijuana legalized. As long as the government in which's interest is the safety of the people thinks that isn't a good idea, I stand by it.

You can still get weed if you want to, it's just the difference of there being street/ yard sales and taxes.

 

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JackredluM

actually in Holland we have a new way of testing people on marijuana right away, first they would use urine samples but now they use a cuetip and take some of your saliva and they see if you used marijuana. this way they see it right away like an alcohol breathalizer test that ought to scare potsmokers out of driving under influence!

but like i said you teach them to drive first and then introduce alcohol so you are used to getting around fast when you turn 21 and then suddenly you are presented with alcohol!

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HoodyG

I'm just curious, how far back does that marijuana breathalyzer thingy track trace of smoking weed? Is that only when you get and renew your license? Or whenever they pull you up?

Because the alcohol effect lasts for no more than a day I think, and it would be pretty unsafe if that drug detector only measured likewise, since the person who abuses them is most likely going to stay weed free on the day of the tests.

Can it tell if you only once had a stick (or whatever) in your life?

If so how did you get your license? If you even have one that is.

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JackredluM

when they hold u up it wouldn't do good if you don't have instant reaction.

it is like a breathalizer it measures how much weed is in your system weed often leaves your system in 4 to 12 hours depending on the sugars you take!

sugar neutalizes weed effects same goes with mushrooms if you trip bad on those they tell you to use suger and you snap out of it.

 

i do have a driving license and infact i have been tested on marijuana and it said i had insufficient weed in my system to cause me to drive unsafe, i even took the strict test i did a 45 minute exam and the instructer had an new collegue with him so they pay even more attention to you to teach the new guy the ropes.

and i drove really well, and i still do and since i have been smoking marijuana before i passed i know exactly what my limits are.

besides i only smoke after i used my car for the day, i avoid driving under influence all the time, i own a great car and i don't want to crash that thing into bits!

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Cran.

 

not one single person has died from marijuana.

And how do you know that? Weed messes up your judgement, so technicly people could have. I bet there is a certain incodent were someone did something wrong or stupid stoned.

 

BTW, I haven't read the rest of the thread, k? turn.gif

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AllDoItTheSame

He means overdose

 

its nearly impossible to overdose on marijuana, as one would fall asleep far before they could get that much into their system, but as of now, there has not been one known death of overdose on mj

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Vercetti04/05
[quote name=Yeah' date=' I'm not debating that the cultivation techniques haven't changed, but you have to realize that before there was indoor growing, it could sill be grown outdoors. I've spoken with quite a few people that have said they smoked a lot of grass back in the 60's and 70's that could hold its own against today's marijuana.

that is so true. Just recently I bought an "O" of outdoor and I thought it would be crap, wrong, this stuff was just as potent as indoor but tasted so much better and got me ripped after one bong! biggrin.gif

 

Anyway, I think it should be legal but controlled and not let the government tax it. Think about it, if the government were to cultivate it would be crap for starters and they would charge ridiculous prices hence increasing the black market demand which would result in more cannabis related crime. I say, decriminilize it and let people grow it, smoke it, eat it, whateva, but selling should be illegal as it could result in gang type wars between rival growers, I know if I was selling and my customers went elsewhere for whatever reasons I would be pissed off. Well Im off to spark a blunt, l8erz wink.gif

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Vercetti04/05
not one single person has died from marijuana.

And how do you know that? Weed messes up your judgement, so technicly people could have. I bet there is a certain incodent were someone did something wrong or stupid stoned.

 

BTW, I haven't read the rest of the thread, k? turn.gif

death caused by "Marijuana" (which doesnt happen) or death by "stupid actions caused while on Marijuana" are totally different. Thats just like saying drink driving deaths are caused by the alcohol, when in fact the alcohol is only part to blame, it was the persons stupid decision to drink drive in the first place that causes the death

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stalker666-x

ha! relaxing? the sh*t made me depressed and i almost was going to kill myself. so i have permenantly stayed away from that sh*t.

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jigglebilly

man made booze god made grass...

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Southern Finest

 

happy.gif Rather or its illegal or legal i will still smoke and pay for it ;\

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rippa
Well, I haven't read the whole thing so if someone said this, sorry. Marijuana is illegal because it is harmful to you, admit it or not, it doesn't co-operate with everyone, admit it or not, it HAS caused overdosing deaths because as aforementioned, it doesn't co-operate with everone. You don't have 100% control when you're high, few people actually do, most people pretend to have that much control so it helps 'their cause'. Now most people are going to argue with that, because they are trying to feel safer and not get scared of what the real effects are, but I don't care because I'm not coming back to this thread tounge.gif.

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WalkerBoh

The problem with the plant isn't the plant itself, it's the people using it. If everyone could become responisble for there actions and not do stupid things that will cause problems then we could legalize a lot of crazy sh*t. But since the generalized majority are irresponsible and immature we have to be regulated and babied by our government.

 

To many people react to differently to marijuana. Some people 'tweek' and do stupid sh*t. Some become more efficent human beings and use inteligently. The problem is diversity. Diversity is a bitch. Same can be said for a variety of other substances, both those legalized and illegalized.

 

If humanity itself could come together and recognize this problem of disorderly usage and stupid reactions, then maybe we could properly educate without propaganda and lies.

 

Everything could be legal since everyone would know what to use, how to use it, and how it effects them.

 

But humans are stupid and this is impossible in the current time. When science, discovery, and the acts to generally make living for one another human is put higher then the accumlation of wealth then maybe marijuana will become legal.

 

But right now a vast majority seems more interested in filling up there bank account then bettering society for themselves and their fellow man.

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Charidemus
I believe it should be legal for medicinal purposes only, and only purchasable by prescription.

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AllDoItTheSame

THIS JUST IN

everyone here is dumber than potheads http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/22/email_destroys_iq/

 

no im kiddding bout all you guys but that is pretty interesting

and dont attack my source cause ive found a ton of other places with the same information

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Saggy

HoodyG, you're being very foolish. You have to realize that the distinguishing factor between people who do get in accidents because they were high and those who don't is not whether or not they use marijuana, it's whether or not they're sensible.

 

Marijuana is not hard to get, at all. Any person with a driver's liscense, probably knows of a way to get marijuana. If such people are stupid and irresponsible enough to say, "Hey, I'm going to drive anyway," that's their problem. Any responsible person would realize that it's not such a good idea., and many do.

 

 

What you seem to keep failing to realize, is that despite marijuana being illegal, millions of people still use it. There's already the actions of the two group of people, responsible and irresponsible, choosing whether they will be inebriated when they drive. Oh,a nd surprise surprise, even without marijuana there's a huge array of other drugs that people can choose to be high on while driving.

 

 

You thinkin' that legalization would even 'cause a spark in the level of intoxicated driving is ridiculous. They've legalized the home-use and possession of up to 4 ounces in Alaska. This means, in the privacy of your home, you can smoke and have 4 ounces. Outside of your home, it is still illegal; and being on it outside is illegal. Driving under the influence of ANY drug is against the law, so legalizing cannabis won't effect the penalization of those irresponsible assholes.

 

 

Now, I wonder, ever since this legalization of cannabis in Alaska, why hasn't there been reports of huge traffic collision increases, or DUI increases? There may be slight increases, but if there is, I'm confident that the problem would be nowhere near what you think it would be. It's just not likely that people would just change and do something they were doing responsibly already, and then start doing it irresponsibly when it's legal, even when doing it irresponsibly is still illegal.

 

 

You see, this arguement really makes no sense. Honestly, why aren't you more worried about the rising use of methamphetamines amongst truckers to stay up for those long-hauls? How many people do you think they hit a year, in a huge multi-ton vehicle? Wouldn't you much rather have our drug-agencie's focus set on preventing this, then wasting money on a drug that's already so widely in use, that its prohibition is futile? You can really almost relate ot to Fiorello LaGuardia's speech on alochol prohibition, the only difference is that the drug in question is far less dangerous.

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