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Why is marijuana illegal?

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Forty

Most of the points have been covered, so I'm posting at the risk of sounding redundant. Marijuana hasn't been the sole cause of recorded death to date. It has many varying medical purposes to aid people with glaucoma, nausea, chemo therapy recovery, arthritis, anxiety, etc. It increases appetite, relaxes the muscles and is very therapeutic.

 

As far as the United States is concerned, it's legality won't be an issue anywhere in our lifetimes. The drug companies, the FDA, and all of their associates in the lobbies at Washington have too strong a grip on Congress to allow any progress in decriminalizing pot. Since it is very easy to cultivate and cure, the government would have no way of regulating its growth if legal. People could order seeds online and grow plants in their back yards or their houses. The government would have no guarantee that the public would invest in their new product, and the risk outweighs the possible gain. People are already growing it and making millions upon millions of dollars under the government's noses. If they legalized it, they would not be able to share in the wealth of this gigantic, complex black market. And for that, it is not a promising endeavour to even consider.

 

Sure, they would save money on prisons, thus giving them more tax revenue to spend elsewhere. They would also use less police hours and manpower hunting down these criminals and removing them from society. They would be opening up an entire new world in medical innovation, and make available new drugs and medication that would help bring relief to millions of suffering patients. They would allow hemp to revolutionize our lifestyles and help us to conserve other resources that are quickly being depleted. They would be converting from finite natural ores and minerals and oils to an infinitely renewable crop. They would break through the stereotypes and the ignorance that's been laid upon the American people for generations, and join a growing number of modern nations that have woken up from traditional thinking and realized there is no danger. There is only hypocracy.

 

But the government doesn't care about that. They look for dollar signs, and the only money in marijuana is out of their reach. So the ignorance perseveres.

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Marajuna is natural medicine. For years it has been used to treat various diseases, including AIDS.

 

The government lies to you and says "Marajuana will kill you the first time you get high" and, "You will never forget the people you hurt when you're high". Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t. That's exactly what the American government is built off of. Bullsh*t.

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JackredluM

where i am from marijuana is legal (holland) so i am going to say this:

 

my country doesn't have any daily shootings, foreigners find most of us very friendly people and we have less Harddrugs addicts in our country then any other.

hard drug prices increase when you ban all drugs, america counts the most addicts in % so don't say you have more citizens or something.

america banned marijuana at first with a rumor that a mexican went nuts on it, just watch the movie Grass it is about america and weed.

 

Alcohol is a hard drug too don't forget that i've seen plenty of people die of extreme liver damage and alcohol poisoning.

just try to smoke yourself to death with marijuana it is impossible you will be too tired to even finish it.

 

i smoke it on a daily basis and i am not some dumb mofo, so it doesn't make you dumber like some say.

infact i once did an i.q. test while smoking weed and i got around 150 points.

 

it increases inspiration by most, all alcohol inspires you to do is puke and things you regret in the morning.

america is made out of too many angry parents that bark at anything they don't like. america even tries to tell europe how to do things common we had a civilization before the pelgrims even ran away from us, you think we are going to listen to you forget about it.

just read your laws and i bet you are going to laugh your ass off if you see how many dumb rules you have. americans tend to say things before they think.

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HoodyG
What do you think? ( marijuana is illegal)

I believe it has something to do with making you do crazy things during which you have no control over your actions?

Unlike hamburgers. lol Give me them now!

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I believe it has something to do with making you do crazy things during which you have no control over your actions?

 

are you a professional m%r%n or just a gifted #ssh*le!

did you even read my post? i suggest you smoke some marijuana and see how much control you lose!

it is ignorance like yours that grips america, i suggest you seriously read up on the effects of marijuana.

 

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HoodyG

Ooh I haven't tried drugs I'm so ignorant.

@ Jerklabia - Yeah, it'd be great to have everyone try drugs I'd like to live in that world.

If you're not addicted, why did you humiliate yourself by posting in this inane thread.

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JackredluM

after reconsidering don't ever touch marijuana, i don't want more people thinking you become a dumbass like you after smoking it.

be ignorant it seems to be bliss, so your life must be great.

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making ganja legal aint gonna make everyone addicted, or stay high all the time, they would be laws put in place of course, jus like for cigs and beer. of course u can't show up to your job high,or go to school, or anything else u can't do when your high. it's jus relaxing to Smoke one after a long day at work. i smoke weed, alot of ppl in the usa smoke weed illegally, u don't see them roaming the streets acting stupid.

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after reconsidering don't ever touch marijuana, i don't want more people thinking you become a dumbass like you after smoking it.

be ignorant it seems to be bliss, so your life must be great.

So I see you support what I said:

Ooh I haven't tried drugs I'm so ignorant.
. Well in case you didn't know I was being sarcastic. I thought most people don't need ridiculous smilies to comprehend that, but seeing as your mind isn't apt to assimilate such a complex sentence, let's try to enlighten you this way shall we?

People who abuse drugs go to jail. People who stay drug free usually either become pro athletes or presidents such as Lance Armstrong or Bill Clinton. I can't think of any famous drug abusers and you know why? There aren't any successful drug abusers( except Rush Limbaugh but he abuses medical drugs, besides he's an idiot).

I saw a documentary on MSNBC last month or so,they did about homeless under aged drug abusers who live on the streets of Portland Oregon, and every mounth or so one of them ( from their group) which they call family, dies. They sleep underneath highway bridges with traffic passing above all night, they never shower, and some days they don't even get to eat one thing or a single sip of uncontaminated water, so they have to eat from dumpsters. And they constantly beat each other up near death due to the life of stress, aggression, oppression and tension. Not to mention primitive survival. And don't even get me started on how they smell. I've seen some few times and it's absolutely ghastly. Ah, but at least they're educated since they ruined their lives, just so some Jack wouldn't call them

"a professional m%r%n or just a gifted #ssh*le!"
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Good luck sleeping on the streets with your drug abusing, hippie, social outcast friends who will beat you up and steal all your money for bread after a productive day of begging.

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JackredluM

hoodyG you are an idiot.

many painters smoke weed, most artists use it you ignorant fool.

you really should read up more on marijuana before you talk about it.

 

this is what fry thinks of you and your weed bashing hill billy friends: user posted image

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HoodyG

You're right, I was an idiot. To expect a rational response from a nimrod like you. Why don't you paint yourself a brain Picasso?

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Forty

How about you extinguish the flames, burn boy?

 

People all over the world smoke pot, HoodyG. Everywhere. Musicians, actors, politicians, activists, regular joes, et al. Just because you can't think of one doesn't mean they're out there. Who is going to walk around openly admitting they smoke weed? Very few people, and usually only the outspoken activists. Marijuana is, right under alcohol, the most popular substance on the planet. Don't tell me that every single one of its regular users are your so-called "drug abusing, hippie, social outcast friends who will beat you up and steal all your money for bread after a productive day of begging." That's the most ignorant generalization of the marijuana community I've ever heard. It encompasses a very, very small proportion of the population. I smoke weed all the time. Am I a homeless douche bag with no brains? I think not.

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I think some points may have been missed here.

 

I don't think that a study will give us an accurate picture of what will happen if we do legalize marijuana. Although there has never been an overdose on THC, people can still indirectly die from it. I am thinking of the commercial that ran in the States where a young man is kneeling over a roadside vigil to a young kid who was killed. During the commercial we come to find that the young kid was killed by a driver who was high. Now I know the scepticism comes in, and people say that that was not real. For that, provide me with a single piece of evidence that a traffic fatality was not caused by someone high on Marijuana.

 

Now with that under our belt, imagine a 6 lane freeway in Los Angeles where 1 out of every 5 cars has a driver who is stoned. As Marijuana would become legal, more people would be inclined to smoke it and a much higher percent of the population would get high. That's tremendous potential for a fatality. Add to that the fact that somewhere in that freeway mix someone could also be driving under the influence. I think the government has taken the correct stand to not introduce another imparement to drivers on the road.

 

Implementing legislation to prevent drivers from driving while stoned will not alleviate the issue either: people drive while drunk without regard to the consequences. Not only would other drivers have to fear a drunk driver, but a stoned one as well.

 

 

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People who abuse drugs go to jail. People who stay drug free usually either become pro athletes or presidents such as Lance Armstrong or Bill Clinton. I can't think of any famous drug abusers and you know why?

I know why, becasue you don't know what you're talking about. Bill Clinton admitted smoking weed, yet you use him as an example of people that don't smoke, good job. How about bush, (the current president not his father) not only did he admit smoking weed, but he was a cocaine abuser, JFK was hooked on amphetamines, none of them went to jail for it. The list of drug abusing pro athletes is so long, that I get dizzy just thinking about it. Had you actually even tried to look up information on this subject before spouting misinformation you would find great amounts of it that disprove everything you've said. That doesn't mean drugs are good, but all the "facts" you have stated are either lies, or proof of your ignorance on this subject.

 

DISCLAIMER: I am not recommending that anyone smoke weed, or use any other illegal substance. Drugs are bad M'kay.

 

 

For that, provide me with a single piece of evidence that a traffic fatality was not caused by someone high on Marijuana.

Sure, I'll go exhume bodies, and autopsy them right now, wait I've got a better idea, show me some that have. I'm sure it's happened but so what, research the amount of accidents caused by people who were drunk, yet we allow alcohol to be legal. Or people with diabetes who's blood sugar gets too low, yet we don't take away their licenses

 

Some people would smoke and not even think of getting behind the wheel. Just like I drink like a fish sometimes, but have never driven after so much as a sip of beer. It's called being a responsible human being that doesn't risk his life, and the lives of others.

 

 

Now with that under our belt, imagine a 6 lane freeway in Los Angeles where 1 out of every 5 cars has a driver who is stoned. As Marijuana would become legal, more people would be inclined to smoke it and a much higher percent of the population would get high. That's tremendous potential for a fatality. Add to that the fact that somewhere in that freeway mix someone could also be driving under the influence.

 

I think that argument is flawed, some people would never smoke regardless of whether or not it is legal. I assume from hoodyg's statements, that he would never smoke even if it was legal, and people like him are most likely in the majority. You're assuming that 20% of the population would not only smoke weed, but smoke it and drive. You are stating that 20% of the population wishes to smoke but doesn't because the government doesn't allow them the right to. Incorrect, people who want to smoke, do, and they don't care if it's illegal or not. The same way @ssholes who wish to get liquored up and go for a spin, don't care about the law, or the safety of themselves and those around them.

 

I don't think it should be, or will be made legal, but your arguments as to why are not valid. Unless of course you'd support another prohibition on alcohol.

 

I've met idiots that huff glade, that is, inhale isobutane from spray cans to get high. This is about as safe as drinking battery acid, yet spray cans are not illegal. Criminalizing something because some people might or even would abuse it never solves the problem. Sometimes it lessens it yes, but usually not enough to offset the new problems it creates.

 

That's just my opinon, feel free to think what you want.

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You're right, I was an idiot. To expect a rational response from a nimrod like you. Why don't you paint yourself a brain Picasso?

 

i bet i know why you hate drugs cause you sound like your mother smoked crack while pregnant!

 

 

Bill Clinton admitted smoking weed, yet you use him as an example of people that don't smoke, good job. How about bush, (the current president not his father) not only did he admit smoking weed, but he was a cocaine abuser
yeah i heard this aswell, i just didn't want to use them as an example cause they are not that smart!

artists get inspiration flowing when they smoke weed, so i thought it was a better example seeing they do their job better after smoking weed.

then again i could scare HoodyG sh*tless if i told him how many doctors smoked weed. P.S. mr. Mackey(how ever you spell it) was better off smoking weed m'kay if the A-Team didn't kidnap him he would have a wife and his head wouldn't be so huge, like a other southpark character said: weed doesn't kill you, it just makes you not mind being bored.

 

 

I don't think that a study will give us an accurate picture of what will happen if we do legalize marijuana. Although there has never been an overdose on THC, people can still indirectly die from it. I am thinking of the commercial that ran in the States where a young man is kneeling over a roadside vigil to a young kid who was killed. During the commercial we come to find that the young kid was killed by a driver who was high. Now I know the scepticism comes in, and people say that that was not real. For that, provide me with a single piece of evidence that a traffic fatality was not caused by someone high on Marijuana.
hehehe you listen to commercials lol, i suggest you watch the movie "grass".

and on your point of driving while influenced, people that don't smoke weed and don't drink can still drive with little sleep causing their attention to stray away and crash.

heck you americans let 16 year olds drive!! that is so ridiculous, sorry for you 16 year olds but you are just a kid. and you start drinking on 21 so first you get addicted to driving and suddenly you are allowed to drink, i don't think many of you go on your bicycle to a bar when you are used to driving.

here you are allowed to drink 5%alcohol (beer) when you are 16 and higher when you are 18 and you are not allowed to drive till' you are 18, so you know what booze can do to you before you drive! (when you are really stoned you don't even want to drive you just want to relax and hang around)

and besides i bet that my driving under influence of weed still beats any american motorist your traffic rules are nuts at times and the roads you drive on are huge.

you should see where i drive, we have german traffic rules and americans are not allowed to drive here without taking a few lessons, but we are allowed to drive in the usa without lessons.

We have a more complicated traffic system and we are very strict when it comes to driving exams, i've seen americans pass their exams without knowing how to park a car right.

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jersiq

 

wait I've got a better idea, show me some that have.

 

Here goes:

 

 

Willette and Walsh (1998) pointed out that the full impact of drugs on traffic safety was unknown in the early 1980s and unfortunately this remains true today. However, there are some data that have emerged over the last decade that provide insight regarding the overall extent of the problem. Williams et al. (1985) reported a "high risk" sample of 440 young male auto drivers killed in California traffic crashes. This study showed that 70% of blood specimens collected from these drivers contained alcohol, 37% contained cannabinoids, and 11% contained cocaine. A report by Mason and McBay (1984, not shown in Table 1) also addressed the question of cannabinoid use by drivers. This study of 600 driver fatalities in North Carolina demonstrated that over 79% had detectable blood alcohol concentrations and 7.8% showed evidence of cannabinoids.

 

Source

 

 

Incorrect, people who want to smoke, do, and they don't care if it's illegal or not.

 

Wrong. I smoked most of my young adult life. The one day I decided to quit and take charge of my life. Sometimes I wish I could go back to my old ways and toke one. But instead I look at all I have to potentially lose if I did get caught with MJ, or smoking MJ: my house, my well paying job, and the respect of my peers. Not everyone who wants to smoke does, just the ones who feel that the rewards are greater than the risks.

 

 

Some people would smoke and not even think of getting behind the wheel.

 

But some people would and that's the problem, even one fatality is one too many.

 

 

I've met idiots that huff glade, that is, inhale isobutane from spray cans to get high. This is about as safe as drinking battery acid, yet spray cans are not illegal.

 

I can't recall when spraycans were illegal to buy. I also must have missed the news article when the PRO-SPRAYCAN initiative was passed by legislation. tounge.gif That's comparing apples to oranges. Spraycans have never been illegal on a federal level, but what people choose to do with spraycans could be wrong if not illegal.

 

 

your traffic rules are nuts at times and the roads you drive on are huge.

 

 

Thanks for playing right into my argument. If the roads are already dangerous enough, why introduce a legal imparement to the drivers who are already nuts enough as is?

 

 

A study concerning the imparement of drivers:

NHTSA

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Thanks for playing right into my argument. If the roads are already dangerous enough, why introduce a legal imparement to the drivers who are already nuts enough as is?

 

i was saying you guys suck at driving as it is, driving on a huge road is friggin easy. too many of you have Roadrage, someone who smokes marijuana doesn't get angry so fast.

besides people who smoke marijuana don't drive half as bad as senior citizens and your police likes to frame weed, most americans often use more then weed alone.

america started hating weed ever since mexicans used it after a hard days work, they are feeding you wrong facts about weed.

Like i said i am from Holland and here it is legal, and we do more tests on weed then anywhere else on the planet, so i know what i am talking about.

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Thanks for playing right into my argument. If the roads are already dangerous enough, why introduce a legal imparement to the drivers who are already nuts enough as is?

 

i was saying you guys suck at driving as it is, driving on a huge road is friggin easy. too many of you have Roadrage, someone who smokes marijuana doesn't get angry so fast.

besides people who smoke marijuana don't drive half as bad as senior citizens and your police likes to frame weed, most americans often use more then weed alone.

america started hating weed ever since mexicans used it after a hard days work, they are feeding you wrong facts about weed.

Like i said i am from Holland and here it is legal, and we do more tests on weed then anywhere else on the planet, so i know what i am talking about.

So you're from the Netherlands and you want to change the law in America? I think things are already f*cked up as they are so I am against drugs being legal. That's just me though. Have your own opinion.

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Like i said i am from Holland and here it is legal, and we do more tests on weed then anywhere else on the planet, so i know what i am talking about.

 

 

So then it shouldn't be too hard to provide empirical evidence instead of subjective.

 

 

besides people who smoke marijuana don't drive half as bad as senior citizens and your police likes to frame weed, most americans often use more then weed alone.

 

 

Again some empirical evidence please?

 

 

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So then it shouldn't be too hard to provide empirical evidence instead of subjective
i would but in Holland we have the tendency to write reports in dutch, so i could give you the source but i doubt you could read it! besides it doesn't even matter cause you are not allowed to drive with alcohol, yet alcohol is legal in your country. it is not like we are allowed to drive under influence of weed! i just break the law sometimes cause i hardly ever get stoned. so your point doesn't make sense in your views alcohol should be illegal too, cause plenty of people drink and drive.

 

 

So you're from the Netherlands and you want to change the law in America? I think things are already f*cked up as they are so I am against drugs being legal. That's just me though. Have your own opinion.
what is that supposed to mean? read your lawbooks and see how retarted your laws are, some states forbid dancing after 2 at night. not to mention the "right to bear arms", or what did i hear on the news recently in 1 of your states you are allowed to shoot someone if you feel treatened.

i saw bowling for columbine yesterday again cause it was on the telly, Canada allows potsmoking, they don't go crazy, most of them even trust eachother enough to keep their doors unlocked.

your laws change everytime you are offended or scared of something it's like your laws are being written by a bunch of angry parents that forgot how to live life and take joy in blaming everything but themselfs.

our traffic rules are the most efficient in the world, most of europe uses them even great brittain they only have it mirrored cause they drive on the left side of the road.

 

i agree on hard drugs being bad like heroin/speed/xtc(even though we have lots) but weed is less dangerous then any other drug including alcohol, it is funny in an annoying way to see people advertise beer and other booze and talk bad about weed.

i have seen plenty of people addicted to alcohol with a liver the size of a full grown cat, they get told by a doctor to stop drinking and they still go on. trust me you can smoke all the weed you want, if you get a thc poisoning you would be a first but plenty of kids get alcohol poisoning from over-drinking. weed is not bad, you would be surprised if you knew how many succesfull people end their day with a joint, it helps you relax after a hard days work just like some of you have a beer after work.

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I know. I think it's in Alabama but I'm not sure, that you're not allowed to fish while hanging off a neck of a giraffe!

Still, doesn't mean we should go around legalizing anything. It's the politicians and the congress. They know that if they made something legal, first time a related accident or death happened (a person got ran over while crossing the street to get to a weed sale), they would get flamed. And it's not easy risking for bad publicity with most of the country's population being die hard conservatives.

 

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@jersiq

 

I don't know why I even try conversing with people who can't read, but I suggest you read my post again, and realize that you've proven all my points for me. Never mind, you seem to have missed them the first time so I'll just add what you decided to leave out as well.

 

 

wait I've got a better idea, show me some that have. I'm sure it's happened but so what, research the amount of accidents caused by people who were drunk, yet we allow alcohol to be legal. Or people with diabetes who's blood sugar gets too low, yet we don't take away their licenses

 

Thank you for completely avoiding the actual point and evading all the questions that weren't rhetorical.

 

 

I think that argument is flawed, some people would never smoke regardless of whether or not it is legal. I assume from hoodyg's statements, that he would never smoke even if it was legal, and people like him are most likely in the majority. You're assuming that 20% of the population would not only smoke weed, but smoke it and drive. You are stating that 20% of the population wishes to smoke but doesn't because the government doesn't allow them the right to. Incorrect, people who want to smoke, do, and they don't care if it's illegal or not. The same way @ssholes who wish to get liquored up and go for a spin, don't care about the law, or the safety of themselves and those around them.

 

 

Wrong. I smoked most of my young adult life. The one day I decided to quit and take charge of my life. Sometimes I wish I could go back to my old ways and toke one. But instead I look at all I have to potentially lose if I did get caught with MJ, or smoking MJ: my house, my well paying job, and the respect of my peers. Not everyone who wants to smoke does, just the ones who feel that the rewards are greater than the risks.

 

Actually that makes me right, the fact that you admit to smoking weed even though it was illegal proves my second point, that some @ssholes will do it whether it is legal or not, you for instance. Good job you're on a roll!

 

The funniest part is where you show evidence that in CA 70% were using alcohol and 37% were using weed, while in NC 79% were using alcohol and 7.8% were using weed. Which one of these states has made alcohol illegal? Oh that's right neither. I have to thank you again for saving me the time of having to do my own research. Although I wouldn't place too much faith in those numbers, since not only are they from '84 and '85 but what exactly do they consider "high risk" they most likely took out 90% of the other fatalities to get those skewed numbers. Or are you trying to say that 79% of people who get into an accident in NC are drunk? By the way since your not too bright I'll help you out, that last one was a rhetorical question.

 

 

I don't think it should be, or will be made legal, but your arguments as to why are not valid. Unless of course you'd support another prohibition on alcohol. I've met idiots that huff glade, that is, inhale isobutane from spray cans to get high. This is about as safe as drinking battery acid, yet spray cans are not illegal. Criminalizing something because some people might or even would abuse it never solves the problem.

 

 

 

I can't recall when spray cans were illegal to buy. I also must have missed the news article when the PRO-SPRAYCAN initiative was passed by legislation. That's comparing apples to oranges. Spray cans have never been illegal on a federal level, but what people choose to do with spray cans could be wrong if not illegal.

 

That's because they never were made illegal, like I said the first time. You remember in the post you cut that out of. And then you prove my next point by admitting that they could cause people to die and yet they aren't illegal.

 

Congratulations! You made all my arguments for me, and were too damn stupid to realize it. Ignorant people like you are why I don't come in to D&D, because you pretend you didn't see what I typed, then argue little tiny sections of a sentence, then argue points that I never in fact put forward, points that only someone as dumb as you would ever even infer.

 

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JackredluM

 

I know. I think it's in Alabama but I'm not sure, that you're not allowed to fish while hanging off a neck of a giraffe!

Still, doesn't mean we should go around legalizing anything. It's the politicians and the congress. They know that if they made something legal, first time a related accident or death happened (a person got ran over while crossing the street to get to a weed sale), they would get flamed. And it's not easy risking for bad publicity with most of the country's population being die hard conservatives.

why do you even post here, you don't even think anymore(not that you ever did). i have seen people with a down syndrome post better replies then any of your posts. you are making a fool out of yourself posting in topics you don't know the first thing about. it is a fact that weed is less dangerous then alcohol. i pity you HoodyG you are either a 6 year old or you are an escaped mental patient, cause a sane person can not be as thickheaded as you are! Edited by JackredluM

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I know. I think it's in Alabama but I'm not sure, that you're not allowed to fish while hanging off a neck of a giraffe!

Still, doesn't mean we should go around legalizing anything. It's the politicians and the congress. They know that if they made something legal, first time a related accident or death happened (a person got ran over while crossing the street to get to a weed sale), they would get flamed. And it's not easy risking for bad publicity with most of the country's population being die hard conservatives.

why do you even post here, you don't even think anymore(not that you ever did). i have seen people with a down syndrome post better replies then any of your posts. you are making a fool out of yourself posting in topics you don't know the first thing about. it is a fact that weed is less dangerous then alcohol. i pity you HoodyG you are either a 6 year old or you are an escaped mental patient, cause a sane person can not be as thickheaded as you are!

sadly he is right hoody it is less dangerous then alcohol and less addictive then tabacco as well....or so I've heard

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HoodyG

@ Insulting Dutch, where exactly did I state marijuana is more dangerous or addictive than cigarettes in the post you quoted? What I said was:

doesn't mean we should go around legalizing anything. It's the politicians and the congress. They know that if they made something legal, first time a related accident or death happened (a person got ran over while crossing the street to get to a weed sale), they would get flamed. And it's not easy risking for bad publicity with most of the country's population being die hard conservatives.
, which was true in many cases including when they made performance enhancing products legal, therefore it's a fact. How can you possibly state marijuana is not addictive, if you smoke it all the time? Get over yourself and stop flaming me in every post for only offering facts and my opinion.

 

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@ Insulting Dutch, where exactly did I state marijuana is more dangerous or addictive than cigarettes in the post you quoted? What I said was:
doesn't mean we should go around legalizing anything. It's the politicians and the congress. They know that if they made something legal, first time a related accident or death happened (a person got ran over while crossing the street to get to a weed sale), they would get flamed. And it's not easy risking for bad publicity with most of the country's population being die hard conservatives.
, which was true in many cases including when they made performance enhancing products legal, therefore it's a fact. How can you possibly state marijuana is not addictive, if you smoke it all the time? Get over yourself and stop flaming me in every post for only offering facts and my opinion.

he has a point jackass...er um JackredluM

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JackredluM

i don,t smoke it when i leave my country and i go abroad alot i sometimes don't smoke it for weeks.

about your point at crossing over for a weed sale, how is that different then someone on a hot day running across the street for an ice-cream!

 

and before any of you say it is a "gateway" drug: i smoked it for over 8 years now without using harder stuff except for alcohol!

 

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i don,t smoke it when i leave my country and i go abroad alot i sometimes don't smoke it for weeks.

about your point at crossing over for a weed sale, how is that different then someone on a hot day running across the street for an ice-cream!

 

and before any of you say it is a "gateway" drug: i smoked it for over 8 years now without using harder stuff except for alcohol!

That's fine, I never said where you do drugs, nor do I care. And seeing as you have such a profound experience in marijuana, I'm going to let you have the final word. Just as I reply.

Believe it or not, there are many people who can't wait to sue and get mainstream coverage for complaining about something they didn't give a horse's ass before to get money, e. g. the Michael Jackson trial. You don't have to take the example of a man crossing the street to get marijuana like I've given, but a mad man killing people and robbing houses while under the influence of drugs. And then you're going to have all these conservatives and rights activists jumping in. The government doesn't want that kind of a fiasco. I think at some point you're right small priority damage drugs such as marijuana should be legalized, as prisons are overloaded with smugglers because demand is high, for which people have to pay tax money. Besides, if it became a legal substance/ product, the government would get tax money from the producers and consumers anyway. And at least free a lot of prison room for bigger time criminals.

 

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Actually that makes me right, the fact that you admit to smoking weed even though it was illegal proves my second point, that some @ssholes will do it whether it is legal or not, you for instance. Good job you're on a roll!

 

 

Yes I admitted at one time I had, but I think your superpowers of reading comprehension failed you once again as the very next sentence states:

 

 

Sometimes I wish I could go back to my old ways and toke one. But instead I look at all I have to potentially lose if I did get caught with MJ, or smoking MJ: my house, my well paying job, and the respect of my peers. [u}Not everyone who wants to smoke does[/u], just the ones who feel that the rewards are greater than the risks.

 

 

Or are you trying to say that 79% of people who get into an accident in NC are drunk?

 

Umm no, but then again using my limited reading comprehension, I noted that they were TRAFFIC FATALITIES, not all accidents.

By using my very limited brain, I was able to deduce that 79% of traffic fatalities were as a result of alcohol.

 

But now we have to use your entire quote:

 

 

The funniest part is where you show evidence that in CA 70% were using alcohol and 37% were using weed, while in NC 79% were using alcohol and 7.8% were using weed. Which one of these states has made alcohol illegal? Oh that's right neither. I have to thank you again for saving me the time of having to do my own research. Although I wouldn't place too much faith in those numbers, since not only are they from '84 and '85 but what exactly do they consider "high risk" they most likely took out 90% of the other fatalities to get those skewed numbers. Or are you trying to say that 79% of people who get into an accident in NC are drunk? By the way since your not too bright I'll help you out, that last one was a rhetorical question.

 

You have yet to provide any empirical evidence that Marijuana doesn't directly or indirectly kill other people.

Did you even look at it? In a sample size of x number of traffic fatalities, they found through blood testing that some of the fatalaties had cannaboids in their system.

 

 

So now we come to the smart choice. Actually, let's break it down so the simpletons like me can understand.

 

Do 2 wrongs make a right?

 

Because Alcohol is legal and people die, we should disregard the potential risk of people dying and learn from our mistakes, and legalize marijuana? That's a very compelling argument.

 

 

I have to thank you again for saving me the time of having to do my own research.

 

Again I'm sorry I took you out of context, it's my simple mind you see.

I am ignorant, yet you don't even do any research?

 

Point is, at least to idiots like me, that people who smoke Marijuana and drive kill people, regardless if they took people out of the survey or not.

 

 

Ignorant people like you are why I don't come in to D&D, because you pretend you didn't see what I typed, then argue little tiny sections of a sentence, then argue points that I never in fact put forward, points that only someone as dumb as you would ever even infer.

 

Why don't you take some advice from a buffoon like me: If you don't like it, then don't do it. Does that process with your incredible skills in intellect? By posting in the forum people will analyze what you say, and put forth their spin, but then again isn't that what you did?

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@SagaciousKJB: you kick various amounts of ass

 

steering well clear of the bickering, id just like to say that i am more inclined to believe the Dupont/Hearst conspiracy as it is highly probable. just as corporations and their henchmen today are making sure their synthetic drugs have a stranglehold on the market, the corporations of yesteryear were also quite capable of being extremely underhanded, with the help of our government of course.

 

one personal belief ive held for a while now is that marijuana's truly mind-opening qualities keep it illegal. this is bad business for war makers who depend on a impressionable and dare i say, brainwashed contingent to die in their battles. ive often sat through news broadcasts high and its almost like watching a movie. im definitely more apt to pick apart false arguments and lies in that state.

 

this speech by Charles Whitebread is very interesting and extremely informative, especially in relation to the actual making of laws that led to the criminalization of herb. thanks to danells.

 

 

 

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