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Why is marijuana illegal?

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sivispacem
Yes weed can be "addictive", but the long term effects are nowhere close to other drugs like coke , heroin or meth, or even cigarettes and alcohol.

 

If you only ate weed, by putting it in cookies, brownies, or anything with butter(by making cannabutter) there are virtually no harmful effects.

Oh, I'm not comparing it in terms of chemical addiction with the likes of crack, tobacco or even alcohol. I'm arguing that it can be very psychologically addictive. It's true that besides the much-debated mental health issues that arise from it's use there is little physical harm it does, but that doesn't nessesarily mean that it's completely devoid of potentially harmful effects.

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Mike Tequeli

 

An addiction is when you or your brain is dependent on a substance. Weed is not addictive to anybody. Your friends are just retards, any reasonable pothead would be able not smoke a week before a court hearing/piss test.

That's blatent bollocks. Anything can be psychologically addictive. People get addicted to brands of sugary drink, or to certain kinds of chocolate bar. Cannabis is no exception. Just because it's not chemically addictive doesn't mean that using it doesn't become habitual. Many stoners would be able to stop if they needed to for a tangible reason, but how many of them would be able to continue that respite once that reason had passed and they had no need to any more? A much smaller number. Hence, psychological addiction.

Your version of "addicted" is really just people with no self control. True drug addictions are ones that give withdrawal symptoms to you. And when there's no reason for the smoker to stop, why would he? For instance, if some study was done that showed marijuana smoking leads to lung cancer, or it's a lot worse health wise than what people now think, you'd see a large number of people stop smoking weed. But just a piss test, something that only has short term implications, I'm not seeing why that would make a long term impact in anyone. A drug addiction and someone having a "habit" are two really different things.

Do you have personal experience, or are you just quoting some stupid handbook you find in a library? My lass' mum is actually, what I would class as, addicted to green, and can't go one full day without it, and if she does then all hell literally breaks loose. She has a joint literally every hour, every day, and if she runs dry, which is common when the town runs dry, then she goes all psycho. To me, this is addiction, she craves a joint.

She won't go into withdrawal if she stops, she just has no f*cking control clearly. Some people have addictive personalities it seems.

So you don't class depression as a sign of withdrawl? My mate got it first, and could never actually be happy till he had a joint, and all the other time he was just angry at everything, and it's the same with our lass's mum.

No I don't, I classify depression as depression. Your friend obviously is depressed regardless. The thing with THC is it doesn't take much to be happy with it, I could be listening to music and eating a bag of chips and I would be having a great time. If you're depressed it's appealing to self medicate.

 

 

@DDS - It's funny you mention crack because that isn't physically addictive either. That's why I have a really hard time believing that THC is 'very psychologically addictive', in fact I find that quite silly. As I mentioned previously there is more to addiction than physical and psychological, you cannot become chemically dependent on cocaine. That appears to put it in the category of psychological addiction, probably on the extreme scale of that due to the euphoria it induces. So to say cannabis is very psychologically addictive seems absurd to me because there are plenty of more addictive drugs that do fall into that category like cocaine and amphetamines.

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sivispacem
@DDS - It's funny you mention crack because that isn't physically addictive either. That's why I have a really hard time believing that THC is 'very psychologically addictive', in fact I find that quite silly. As I mentioned previously there is more to addiction than physical and psychological, you cannot become chemically dependent on cocaine. That appears to put it in the category of psychological addiction, probably on the extreme scale of that due to the euphoria it induces. So to say cannabis is very psychologically addictive seems absurd to me because there are plenty of more addictive drugs that do fall into that category like cocaine and amphetamines.

As far as I understand it, it's chemically addictive because of the rapid release of endorphins and associated chemicals, similar to the amphetamine family. You don't become addicted to the chemical itself, but the chemical change that it causes inside the brain during/after use.

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TDP992

 

Your version of "addicted" is really just people with no self control. True drug addictions are ones that give withdrawal symptoms to you. And when there's no reason for the smoker to stop, why would he? For instance, if some study was done that showed marijuana smoking leads to lung cancer, or it's a lot worse health wise than what people now think, you'd see a large number of people stop smoking weed. But just a piss test, something that only has short term implications, I'm not seeing why that would make a long term impact in anyone. A drug addiction and someone having a "habit" are two really different things.

As everyone else has said, you are wrong. Chemical addiction is the addiction to the actual content of a drug- it's physical chemical content and the affects that that has on your brain chemistry. Psychological addiction is an addiction to it's effects or it's method of use. You can have the latter without the former, and vice versa. It is perfectly possible to become addicted to cannabis, as has been proven by many, many scientific studies on the subject.

You guys are missing the context of thread, this is about reasons why marijuana should be illegal. Reasons pertaining to extremely small withdraw symptoms such as people getting sad when they can't smoke weed, cause they don't have much else going in life is BS. If you're going to pin that on weed then wouldn't you have to pin cheeseburgers too? I'm sure for the number of people out there who abuse marijuana like some of the people you guys know, there's just as many and possibly more people who abuse fast food just as bad and worse. But that shouldn't make fast food illegible because most people can use it in moderation and are smart enough to not take it that far. It applies to tons of other things that are legal as well.

 

So bringing up the minority of people who's life is taken downhill by marijuana, it really shouldn't apply in the concept of marijuana's legality status when you look at the spectrum of what is and isn't legal. When bringing up drug addiction, it's silly to even throw marijuana's name into that mix when you look at it compared to what most other drug addictions are, which is a lot more powerful and true addiction, like crack, heroin, alcohol and etc. Just cause it can be a habit you can enjoy but also one that you can use against yourself, shouldn't make it illegal. That's what this thread was supposed to be about.

 

And as for your last post, tons of legal things out there release endorphins and change your mindset; music, video games, watching porn, watching sports... so why use that as an argument for weed to be illegal? yawn.gif

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Minus the Boom

I'm pro legalizing all drugs. As an adult it's totally your choice and if you can't handle the responsibility you're obviously not up to having the other privileges like driving a car or voting.

 

The money law enforcement would save and the government would make (taxation) could be used to up the education budget... so people will use drugs responsibly. Everyone wins, except those too narrow minded for something as this.

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sivispacem
You guys are missing the context of thread, this is about reasons why marijuana should be illegal.

You're missing the point in "debate and discussion". We've both addressed the central issue previously in the thread, and now the discussion has moved onto related issues and the finer points surrounding the entire subject area. As debates usually do. dozingoff.gif . Who the f*ck are you anyway, the discussion police?

 

In ref to the last line of your post, I'm not using it as an argument to say things should be illegal, just giving demonstrations of how things can be addictive without requiring a physical chemical dependency.

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Sanjeem

I honestly can't be arsed with explaining all the problems and advantages of the subject as people have already done that i have seen. It's really almost like tobacco it might damage few brain cells, very few people go downhill from smoking it (More go down hill drinking)

 

For me it's less adictive, now Legalise it damn you!

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TDP992

 

In ref to the last line of your post, I'm not using it as an argument to say things should be illegal, just giving demonstrations of how things can be addictive without requiring a physical chemical dependency.

Yea but that demonstration can work for pretty much anything in life, like I already said. Pointing that as a con for marijuana is stupid, unless you believe it's a shared con for any activity.

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sivispacem
In ref to the last line of your post, I'm not using it as an argument to say things should be illegal, just giving demonstrations of how things can be addictive without requiring a physical chemical dependency.

Yea but that demonstration can work for pretty much anything in life, like I already said. Pointing that as a con for marijuana is stupid, unless you believe it's a shared con for any activity.

You are completely, totally, missing the point. Yes, many things can be potentially harmful. Yes, many things can be potentially addictive. But I've never used them as a pro or con for legalisation or derestriction. The point I've been making is merely to refute all those who say "you can't become addicted to cannabis" because you simply can.

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Jonesizzle
@Doom - God damn, the drug war eh? How could someone face 8 years for failing a drug test? I mean parole is harsh and he might be stupid for doing it but f*ck, is he white? I mean I hate to ask but I'm interested to get more information on who is disproportionately affected by the drug war.

He was on parole and had a pretty lengthy sheet of crimes. He just got outta prison I say 8 months ago, but they told him one f*ck up and he will serve his full time plus some... sure enough. He is white btw.

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Skins

Marijuana should be legal. Marijuana can be addictive. This thread is really going nowhere.

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d0mm2k8

It seems marijuana will most likely never become legal mainly because the majority of voters in most US states and the UK don't know the actual facts (or refuse to believe them) because they are idiots.

 

Legalize it, and the criminal world behind it will crumble.

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vinnygorgeous

 

Legalize it, and the criminal world behind it will crumble.

If only that was true but all the evidence suggests that prohibition has been the driving force behind organised crimes diversification into all walks of life. By the time alcohol prohibition ended in the US the criminal syndicates had amassed the resources and confidence to move far beyond bootlegging and their pre prohibition rackets and that was only 13 years! One of the key reasons why law enforcement in Britain believe they will never catch a 'Mr Big' of the drug world is because they would most likely be a Richard Branson type figure, a highly placed entrepreneur who has legitimate cover for their illicit wealth.

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d0mm2k8

 

If only that was true but all the evidence suggests that prohibition has been the driving force behind organised crimes diversification into all walks of life.

I may be incorrect, but isn't prohibition the 'prohibiting' of the manufacturing, consuming etc. of a said substance?

If so, it's the opposite of what I said. I said to 'legalize' marijuana whilst prohibition is basically 'illegitimating' it.

 

If it were to be legalized, tobacco companies are likely to pounce onto the opportunity, sell weed at a cheaper price with a safety guarantee and in turn making the criminal trade obsolete and unnecessary.

 

 

 

People such as dog_day feel free to come and correct me tounge2.gif

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Clem Fandango

As someone who is currently phasing out their weed use, I can tell you that the psychological addiction is rather benign, things just seem incredibly boring when you're used to getting stoned every night.

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sivispacem
As someone who is currently phasing out their weed use, I can tell you that the psychological addiction is rather benign, things just seem incredibly boring when you're used to getting stoned every night.

Like almost everything, it's entirely dependent on the person using, quantities, variety, ect ect.

I think the point that Vinny was making is that most criminal organisations survived the end of the Alcohol Prohibition era by diversifying their portfolios- basically sticking they're dirty little fingers in as many pies as possible. Whilst I agree that this is the way criminal organisations exist today, I can't help but feel that many of them are funded predominantly by the narcotics trade and by decriminalising and centrally producing drugs, a significant portion of their income would be slashed. Not enough to bring an end to them, but enough to cause serious damage.

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