Liberty State Survivor

[Fuzzknuckles]

"Tonight...the TV event that will make history...Liberty City Survivor! This takes reality TV to a whole new level! We'll take 20 recently paroled guys, equip them with grenade launchers and flamethrowers...and let them hunt each other down!! It's the reality show where you...just might be...part of the action!!"

 

*cue the theme from You Bet Your Life*

 

Remember that ad? All bar the theme music... GTAIII briefly introduced the concept of a hardcore reality show, with the worst kind of contestants. Recently released murderers. These f*cked up hombres are given high calibre weapons and told to go have a fight. Sounds like fun.

 

I've taken a chunk of stuff I wrote up in one of the pins, in the hope that people might pay more attention to it, without being frightened off by huge threads. So if you think you've heard it all before, you might be right - there are numerous additions to the idea however.

 

Liberty City Survivor. Or for the sake of the next gen, Liberty STATE survivor. The ultimate stadium mission.

 

This would probably be a tall order, but hear me out. The game begins in the stadium. As one of 20 recently parolled criminals, you face the task of surviving a city, nay a state full of people coming to get you. This side mission would have you lined up with your fellow contestants, preparing to run. This would work in the same way as the Triathlon/Beat The Cock missions. As you run out of the arena. you can pick up basic weapons that are lying around the stadium or just run straight out, to get a head start.

 

You have 12 game hours to make your run, then its time to SURVIVE. When making your run, get to anywhere you can on the game map. Anywhere you think might be safe. Or a good vantage point. Find somewhere you feel you could launch an attack from. Or survive one. This is the time allotted to getting away from all the other contestants and gearing up to survive. You could choose to use this time to visit ammunation. Any attacks carried out on an opponent would lead to instant disqualification. This is not the survival time.

Once the twelve hours have counted down, pedestrians all have weapons and are out to get you.

 

As are the other contestants - finely tuned AI that takes more damage.

These opponents would have to be very "clever" and may even have the capability to perform stealth kills on you. Imagine these super bad ass peds - nineteen of them - are marauding through the game world as you are. These Uber Peds would also be able to form alliances and hunt in packs - using the system employed in Manhunt. One carries the gun, the other holds the tracking device. They would also be able to pick and choose their vehicles like you. Imagine hearing a Sanchez rip up behind you and the guy on the back starts gunning for you. Now the hunter becomes the hunted.

 

To make the game fair, and to give the illusion of the "Shows Producers" having control over the game, everyone is tagged. You get a little device that shows them on the main and mini map - but only when you have it selected. If you encounter them with something else selected, they show up on the mini map as long as they are in sight. So therefore, if they run behind you while you have your gun drawn, you can't see them on the mini map, turn to face them, they show up.

 

 

"I was grabbing a sandwich in the Happy Blimp, and all-of-a-sudden these guys crashed through the window and started shooting at each other! I was so excited, I didn't even notice I'd been hit! After that, I was hooked on Liberty City Survivor! I watch it every day in the hospital!"

 

And I would watch it every day too.

 

The pedestrians would play two roles in the game. Firstly, some would be normal peds, going about their days, trying to not get caught up in the action. They would be trying to get work, go shopping, whatever a GTA ped does. Others would play the role of the audience - Watching it all go by when you encounter another contestant, trying not to get shot as you get ambushed outside Clucking Bell.

 

Secondly, there would be more gung-ho types. These are the peds that want to get involved. They want a piece of the action adn maybe a leg as a trophy. They want blood on their hands. So they gang up with a few friends and follow you when they see you. A mob chasing you down the street is great incentive to survive, I'm sure you'll agree. These peds could chase you on foot, but not in vehicles. That would be far too harsh.

 

Another thing has been pointer out to me that the current weapons given out in the pedestrian riot cheats would make the armed peds a complete nightmare - So I'm updating with this - which I believe I may have said in the original incarnation of this idea.

 

Peds wold be armed with "street weapons". No rocket launchers. No grenades. The toughest thing you'd face would be molotov cocktails - painful, but not lethal. In Manhunt, we were spoilt for melee weapons - many of which really should have made it into SA. I'd like to see the Brick, bottle (smashable, to become a blade, rather than a club), crowbar etc brought into the next gen. These make shift weapons would be much more suitable for a mob, and I believe this would save many asses when the heat is on - Lets face it, it would get pretty boring reloading each time you got a bazooka shell up the whazoo, right?

 

Keeping to the backstreets would definitely be an advantage. Hiding would be a good idea. Surviving? I'll leave that up to you.

 

 

"The game doesn't end until there's only one man left standing!! Tune in nightly, or watch the 24hour live webcast! Liberty City Survivor!! Natural selection... has come home!!

 

"A 24 hour webcast? Holy Fuzz! That means you get your own camera crew following you around, to relay it all back to the blood thirsty masses at home! You could of course decide to kill your camera crew because they keep talking while you're hiding... But that would mean instant disqualification. You have to keep these guys alive too. Its in the contract. You didn't see that part? Tough. If they happen to die in the crossfire... so be it - they're replaceable. IN fact, our guarantee to the audience is that we can get a camera crew back on the scene in under one game hour! Be more careful next time!

 

Of course, in the eventuality of one of our crews taking fire, we can always cut to the Eye in the Sky. That's right - smile for the birdy! We've got a TV chopper on you too. So don't try anything funny. We nearly didn't get the funding for this season cos some guy in Los Santos wiped out all our choppers!"

 

You would be hounded and observed constantly throughout LSS. There's no escaping the Love Media Corporation after all. This would give the "Game Time" more of a sense of reality TV - rather than just feeling like any other rampage through town. The old media attention stat from VC could return, and actually mean something - if the stat goes up, you don't just have LSS crews filming, you get proper News choppers filming, News crews pulling up in the vans to set up and film.

 

For example, you get ambushed by 2 other contestants and you're staked out behind a wall, a bit of a standoff - news vans pull up during this to film it. Choppers fly in to observe form above. This would give the sense of full on action a much needed hectic feeling - lots more going on to make it more exciting - more action.

 

In the style of the film Battle Royal, the winner is the sole survivor of the twenty contestants. You would also have to make your way back to the stadium, still in fear of psycho peds, to claim your trophy. Which you could also use as a weapon, if you like. Just make sure you don't lose it, or you'll have to play again.

 

 

Sponsored by AmmuNation. Please remember to put litter in it's place.

 

Many thanks to Medallion Man & Notorious Jay for pointing out the weakspots.

Edited December 29, 2004 by Fuzzknuckles

[NotoriousJay]

I thought the 20 people had to kill each other out in the city but a good idea

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

I thought the 20 people had to kill each other out in the city   but a good idea

You have 12 game hours to make your run, then its time to SURVIVE. Once the twelve hours have counted down, pedestrians all have weapons and are out to get you.

 

That means twelve hours to hide I guess. Anywhere you can get to in 12 game hours. Full state at your disposal

 

Updated. Cheers for pointing that out, it was a bit vague.

Edited December 27, 2004 by Fuzzknuckles

[The Tick]

This is an awesome idea. I think I'm gonna half to theif some of the more obvious elements for Tombstone.

 

 

Now, my only question is... Why a stadium mission? And, if it is a side mission, then, when was the character paroled? I mean, its a solid idea otherwise, buts needs some sorta plot to fill in the holes.

 

In fact, i think you could base an entire game around this single key concept. Like, you are released from prison, and the 20 odd guys are all characters you will eventually kill or...

 

 

Wait, wtf? This sounds exactly like Manhunt. Ok, I'm babbling.

[Oddsock]

That was one of the few posts that were incredibly long but I read every bit of it.

 

That sounds awesome!

[Fuzzknuckles]

The way I saw it was the mission could start after Medallion Mans prison idea - you get parolled on good behaviour - but this is what you get parolled into. After then, it becomes an Arena mission.

 

It only starts in the Arena, the playing field is the game map.

 

Should have made it more clear I guess.

[Medallion Man]

Fuzzy jou are an Ideas factory captain.

 

I think many of us were interested by those LC: Survivor ad’s back in GTA3. I think the idea fits GTA’s over the top nature and would work well. Interesting possibilities indeed and t would work after you’d served your bird in the nick. I’d also like it as a way of earning a big cash reward as a side game. You could activate it at the stadium like you say, maybe there could be a system next time that lets you choose between events there.

 

I don’t think that it would be hard for R* to implement it other than the AI for your Uber Peds ©. It would certainly be interesting seeing the peds react, for example, to you and another guy bursting through a restauraunt’s window, wrestling on the tables knocking food all over the shop.

 

The only reservations that I would have would be all peds being armed, this would make it a pain in the batty as well as nigh on impossible to win. The ped’s have guns cheats always tend towards the irritating. How could you survive if you were getting blasted by old biddies with bazooka’s every couple of seconds?

 

I prefer your idea of having peds ganging up and following you around. I think that it should be by chance that you encounter your opponents rather than having every one after you. You would be much more tense if you had no clue that some 200lb M4 totting nutter was just around the corner waiting for you.

 

Also if you are spotted by news crews/choppers that should make your life hell as it would alert the other contestants to your whereabouts.

[ViceDog]

This is a great idea...

 

I'd love to have this ingame

 

 

 

<3 your ideas.

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

Also if you are spotted by news crews/choppers that should make your life hell as it would alert the other contestants to your whereabouts.

 

Exactly.

 

Thanks guys! You made me realise I left out the entire chunk about mob weaponry. Med, you're a saviour - I'll add it in now.

Edited December 29, 2004 by Fuzzknuckles

[Battery in the Out]

As I was reading I kept thinking, "Battle Royale. Battle Royale. Battle Royale." Then I got to the end of your post and saw you mention it.

 

Weird.

[galamaheit 10 000]

not good for one game, but would be awesome as a multiplayer mode for PC. ANd exclusive to PC. Damn Consoles......

[NotoriousJay]

They have online play on other consoles aswell you know

[The Tick]

heh... its a hard fact that more people play on console. Where you only have to buy 1 PS2 for around 150 bucks, a PC can cost hundreds, if not thousands. (If you want a good game engine) And then theres the glareing reality that if you don't constantly update and fix and repair, you will fall behind. You fall asleep for a few seconds, and you find that none of the new games work anymore on your system. Its just easier to use a console.

[GreenOozie]

GREEN IS GREAT

 

It's a winner to me. The AI of the police at 5 stars resembles the the AI needed for the contestents. Questions:

Is the reason you were parroled so you can particpate in the Show?

Is there sub-missions so you can upgrade?

Is it multi-player?

Is the locater really neccisary with all the media?

What use are Cars other than to get to the next contestant quickly?

Can you still pick up Hookers for health enhancement?

How would the scoring be accomplished?

 

PEACE OUT

 

[Fuzzknuckles]

Questions:

 

1 Is the reason you were parroled so you can particpate in the Show?

2 Is there sub-missions so you can upgrade?

3 Is it multi-player?

4 Is the locater really neccisary with all the media?

5 What use are Cars other than to get to the next contestant quickly?

6 Can you still pick up Hookers for health enhancement?

7 How would the scoring be accomplished?

 

PEACE OUT

Answers:

 

1 I guess so, if you've read Medallion Man's stuff about prison missions/story it could pick up from there - it would be accessible as a stadium mission after that

 

2 Sub Missions? Up Grade? Wha? If you mean Taxi and Vigilante etc... probably not as that requires 'starting a mission'.

 

3 I don't see how that would work if the current 2 Player method is used. If the next gen game is online, I guess it could be.

 

4 No the locater isn't necessary, but it would certainly come in handy - especially when you get down to the last few opponent - they could be anywhere on a map that would theoretically be larger than SA.

 

5 Pardon? Cars are also useful for getting the hell away from a gang of angry peds. Or going to Clucking Bell for a bucket and a sprunk. Or...

 

6 ...Picking up hookers. I figure all game features that don't require starting a mission would still be accessible.

 

7 Scoring? If you are alive, and no one else is, you get a point. How's that?

 

PEACE IN.

[GreenOozie]

GREEN IS GREAT

 

Sub Missions such as taking out one of the opponents Radio Towers so it stalls them for awhile or there is a new faster loading Rocket launcher at the bay and 8 Ball knows how to get it. That sort of thing. As far as the Cars Go, I was thinking about GTA 2 and how we could mount weapons on our cars, in Survivor, I am sure that would be a bonus. And if the media ratings drop then they might "disqualify" your character, so perhaps an alternate scoring system for that aspect of the game could be implimneted. Such as killing 100 Bubba type NPCs= -1000 points in the south yet +4000 in Liberty City. Blowing up an Armored Car and stealing the Moaning Lisa = +400 points and such. Of course, the over all Victory would be last person standing. But I like the way that in previous GTA's there is more than just one final objective.

[GreenOozie]

GREEN IS GREAT

 

ummmmm, is this a mission or the whole game, this might clear things up for me and make me feel like a fool if it's just a mission

[Fuzzknuckles]

The ultimate stadium mission.

 

Its a mission - an odd job I guess. Not a whole game, though that could be cool. I think it was called Manhunt. Or at least, thats a a similar-ish idea.

[Scapegoat]

Sounds like a fun idea. But you talk about being to do it only if you've been paroled from prison on good behaviour. How many gamers do you think'll actually take this route? One in five? It doesn't seem very fun to be behavouring like a screw's bitch.

[anthoman]

would be best for multiplayerrrrr....

[Sark]

Cool idea, sounds a lot like Stephen King's "The Running Man" when he was still writing as Richard Bachman...

[Fuzzknuckles]

Sounds like a fun idea. But you talk about being to do it only if you've been paroled from prison on good behaviour. How many gamers do you think'll actually take this route? One in five? It doesn't seem very fun to be behavouring like a screw's bitch.

You'd miss out on missions if you didn't.

[Scapegoat]

But how long are you expected to be well-behaved? That doesn't exactly sound like a fun 5-10% section of the game, especially in a enclosed repetitive enviroment. If your time in prison was greatly reduced, maybe it would be more viable.

Will the player be informed of the reward of good behaviour, before they decide how they'll behave?

[Fuzzknuckles]

But how long are you expected to be well-behaved? That doesn't exactly sound like a fun 5-10% section of the game, especially in a enclosed repetitive enviroment. If your time in prison was greatly reduced, maybe it would be more viable.

Will the player be informed of the reward of good behaviour, before they decide how they'll behave?

5-10% of story, not of game.

 

I think there could be two spells in prison - that way you get the option of breaking out once, and parolled once. However, your chances of being parolled are probably affected by breaking out the first time.

[meta187]

*Thanks Jay-d

 

I'm going to have to agree with one of the initial statements, this ideal is so good and realized and has so much follow through that it seems it would be barely contained as a side feature in a GTA installment. I do however see it being a spin-off game in and of itself and being incredibly fun.

 

Long Live

[bloodyskies]

Please explain more about the

Beat The Cock missions

as I think that'd be hilarious - screw Hot Coffee, that'd absolutely guarantee an AO rating from ESRB!

[Pyrrhus]

Since this topic has been bumped I'd just like to say that Liberty State Survivor be a great idea for a spin-off to the GTA series, perhaps one with online multiplayer capabilities.

 

I'd also like to see Pogo the Monkey included as a mini-game.

[Fuzzknuckles]

I'd like to take this oppurtunity to say that my AWESOME idea is now a reality in Liberty City Stories. I presume it was nothing to do with this thread but who knows? Anyway, the idea behind it is much the same, right down to the blips on the map. Who'd a thunk it?

 

I've only played the multiplayer version on LCS one or twice (I don't own a PSP) and it's not all I had hopes for, but it's pretty much spot on. Well done R*!

[Fuzzknuckles]

FAT 3 YEARS OLD THREAD BUMP.

 

Line up to touch my awesomeness.

[Slamman]

If it's unlocked... I approve! But state something! haha

 

I mentioned this at some point too... With all the peds AI and things like cops actually FULLY arresting peds on the street... I can visual the AI doing a recreation of the fictional TV show that we heard about on the radio. I hope they try to do it at some point. Use of limited ped riot type of mechanics but with smarter AI.