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[Dasutin]

C.) Let's not forget Brett Favre lost a SuperBowl too. I'm sure it's cool to be ignorant to that though 'cause of his 'legendary status'.

Um, he also won one... so, your that point doesn't really work. Favre's offense was never that great, and were always a product of him. On the contrary, the Eagles offense was already good before Owens got there, Owens just pushed them over the top. Owens didn't make the Eagles anything. They were already the class of the NFC, he was just the last missing piece to the puzzle. But when you have 499 pieces to a puzzle... you can still get the picture, right?

[gta_player5]

In other news, the Dolphins just drastically upgraded their stadium and changed the stadium logo and name(slightly).

 

Here it the link to the article which states all of the changes.

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[D Jones]

A.) Eagles lost or 'choked' as some of you will refuse to put it any other way, sure. Where were the Cowboys during these years? More importantly, find me an analyst who wouldn't argue until his/her own death that the Eagles were the single most dominant team in the NFC East from 2002-2005. (Because most of you get your firepower from analysts anyway)

 

B.) Drew Bledsoe, who? He's just happy he's not sitting the bench anymore.

 

C.) Let's not forget Brett Favre lost a SuperBowl too. I'm sure it's cool to be ignorant to that though 'cause of his 'legendary status'.

A. Pshh, like every Eagles fan. When you lose, you gotta look at another team to down on.

 

B. LOL. That comment made me sh*t my pants in laughter. 17/24, 196 yrds and 1 TD.

 

C. Does 35-21 ring a bell during the early Brett Favre era?

[King Kapone]

Well people are missing my points so here's a fun assignment I'm sure you'll all love.

 

Pack up your bags, you're going on a road trip.

 

Travel to every player's home who has ever played for Green Bay during the 'Favre Era' and ask them this: "Did Brett Favre make your team?" "Is he the sole reason the team you played for made it so far?" "Is HE the Green Bay Packer who won the SuperBowl?"

 

You'll learn to find 100% of them saying, "No, Brett Favre had something to do with it but was not the sole reason we did what we did when we did it."

 

 

 

 

Also, D Jones, my favorite forumer here, I'll be the first to admit the Eagles had their faults. I was the first to bitch over the fact Donovan McNabb wasted all that time in the SupeBowl. I was the first to punch a hole into the wall outside of my room in the hallway when the game was over. I was the first to be ashamed of my team.

 

Don't ever compare me to someone else.

 

I'm sure you're stupid enough to say I'm jealous Dallas has T.O. now. Go ahead, make my night.

 

I'm sure you're stupid enough to believe I think you're stupid. Ha, how fun life is.

 

EDIT: Eagles rock and don't you forget it, baby.

Edited April 10, 2006 by King Kapone

[Mainland Marauder]

Travel to every player's home who has ever played for Green Bay during the 'Favre Era' and ask them this: "Did Brett Favre make your team?" "Is he the sole reason the team you played for made it so far?" "Is HE the Green Bay Packer who won the SuperBowl?"

I can agree with that, but to a point.

 

Riddle me this.

 

Take the 1996 Super Bowl champion Packers. Same team, except the starting quarterback is (pick one: Jim Everett/Bubby Brister/Jay Schroeder/Steve Buerlein) rather than Brett Favre.

 

Does that team win the Super Bowl still?

[gta_player5]

Absolutely not do they win the Super Bowl, they don't even make it there.

 

Farve did make the team. Antonio Freeman was a great reciever while he was on the Packers, look at his stats, they were great. Now whats he doing? What has he done in the last 4 years? Please tell me...

 

Or

 

Dorsey Levens, he had 2 1,000 yard rushing seasons in 3 years due to injury he didn't have 3. But he was a good running back for the Pack, then he dropped off the face of the Earth bouncing around from team to team playing a back up roll.

Edited April 10, 2006 by gta_player5

[King Kapone]

 

Travel to every player's home who has ever played for Green Bay during the 'Favre Era' and ask them this: "Did Brett Favre make your team?" "Is he the sole reason the team you played for made it so far?" "Is HE the Green Bay Packer who won the SuperBowl?"

I can agree with that, but to a point.

 

Riddle me this.

 

Take the 1996 Super Bowl champion Packers. Same team, except the starting quarterback is (pick one: Jim Everett/Bubby Brister/Jay Schroeder/Steve Buerlein) rather than Brett Favre.

 

Does that team win the Super Bowl still?

Probably not.

 

 

 

Now it's my turn.

 

Check out those SuperBowl 31 Green Bay Champs. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Compare them to the SuperBowl 32 Green Bay Losers. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Hey, Brett Favre's still there.

 

But wait a minute, where's the rest of the team? The receivers, two key defenders who picked Bledsoe off twice.. Where are they?

 

Oh that's right they're not there.

 

I wonder why Green Bay didn't pull away with this one.

 

I mean, c'mon, Brett friggin Favre was there.

 

 

 

Let me guess.. you're going to tell me the reason Green Bay lost is because John Elway was the opposing Quarterback. Yea. Ok. He didn't even play that well that night.

[Burning-Ice]

I honestly think the whole 'one player is a team' is complete and utter bullsh*t. What happens if ,let's say, Brett Favre's O-Line was horrible and let the D right through each play..no matter how damn good Favre is, he isn't going to be able to do anything about it. Same thing with runningbacks, there will never be a runningback that can consistently make big plays when they have a sh*tty O-Line. To say one player took the time to the Superbowl and won it, like some are saying about Brett Favre is bullsh*t. Unless someone passes to themselves, jukes out the entire defense, and can take on 11 guys at one time..you get the point.

 

@LenDale White- I think he probably didn't work out since the Rose Bowl, bad work ethic maybe but I doubt he will use that ethic during a football season..also, bench is a pretty big thing I guess in football..right?..right? (I admit getting outbenched by a punter in bad) but honestly, White has such a powerful leg drive incase you guys didn't notice, which is the reason why he breaks so many tackles. Lifting weights isn't everything. White does need to get back in shape and loose the pounds though but I still think he will be good in the NFL

[chuck430]

I honestly think the whole 'one player is a team' is complete and utter bullsh*t. What happens if ,let's say, Brett Favre's O-Line was horrible and let the D right through each play..no matter how damn good Favre is, he isn't going to be able to do anything about it. Same thing with runningbacks, there will never be a runningback that can consistently make big plays when they have a sh*tty O-Line. To say one player took the time to the Superbowl and won it, like some are saying about Brett Favre is bullsh*t. Unless someone passes to themselves, jukes out the entire defense, and can take on 11 guys at one time..you get the point.

 

@LenDale White- I think he probably didn't work out since the Rose Bowl, bad work ethic maybe but I doubt he will use that ethic during a football season..also, bench is a pretty big thing I guess in football..right?..right? (I admit getting outbenched by a punter in bad) but honestly, White has such a powerful leg drive incase you guys didn't notice, which is the reason why he breaks so many tackles. Lifting weights isn't everything. White does need to get back in shape and loose the pounds though but I still think he will be good in the NFL

why would he change his work ethic now? he just lost millions of dollars b/c of his poor combine and pro day work outs. once considered in the top 3 of RBs and possibily a top 15 pick, now might not even be in the first round. this was his biggest pay day and he sat on his ass. wheres the desire, the fighting edge?

[Dasutin]

14 bench reps for a 240 pound "power" back is pretty pathetic. Especially when his counterpart, thought to be the benificiary of him, outbenches him drastically, despite being 30 pounds less. There's a reason White won't run the 40, he knows it'll be terrible, and his stock will drop even more. He won't do any of the other running drills because he's out of shape, and isn't athletic enough to complete them with ease, as a first round back should. What I hate most about him, his stock has fallen so much, that Laurence Maroney may now be out of reach for the Colts. Yea, it's a little greedy... but I don't want him on my team. He doesn't fit the Colts mold, and the way it's looking, he'll be the "best" back available at 30.

[B Rob]

I hope he dosen't go to the Colts. They already have enough offensive players as it is and are really good as they are.

[gta_player5]

The Colts only need a decent runningback who they can mold into the type of offensive player they want. Who is available for hire though? That and maybe 1 complimentary defensive player.

[ToyMachine]

Maybe LenDale White is trying to hurt his draft stock more so he goes to a better team. Maybe a good team in the 20s guaranteed a spot of he's available then. These men in the NFL shed and gain pounds the way we put on clothes, with the help of a weight trainer he'll be back in top shape in no time.

 

As for Brett Favre being the Packers, I whole heartedly agree with that. Sure he had a great supporting cast, but he was the one that made the team. Kapone, if you ask other players that question, a lot of them will say it wasn't only Brett. If you ask the fans, I guarantee most of them will say the sole reason for winning was Brett.

 

But he's still an attention whoring jackass. Who calls a conference together to later ask the media why the hell they showed up?

[King Kapone]

Kapone, if you ask other players that question, a lot of them will say it wasn't only Brett. If you ask the fans, I guarantee most of them will say the sole reason for winning was Brett.

 

But he's still an attention whoring jackass. Who calls a conference together to later ask the media why the hell they showed up?

Thank God someone here has some sense. It puts a smile on my face this someone happens to be you. We usually don't see eye to eye.

[Mainland Marauder]

Check out those SuperBowl 31 Green Bay Champs. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Compare them to the SuperBowl 32 Green Bay Losers. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Hey, Brett Favre's still there.

So was John Elway, except he played for the Denver Broncos.

 

This was hard to swallow at first, but I accept it now. It was Elway's night, and nothing was going to stop him from getting that ring. Enough said.

[chuck430]

Check out those SuperBowl 31 Green Bay Champs. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Compare them to the SuperBowl 32 Green Bay Losers. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Hey, Brett Favre's still there.

So was John Elway, except he played for the Denver Broncos.

 

This was hard to swallow at first, but I accept it now. It was Elway's night, and nothing was going to stop him from getting that ring. Enough said.

yea, so what was the difference with Elway when they got trashed in the 80s when they played the 49ers?

he finally had an awesome RB in TD.

[King Kapone]

 

Check out those SuperBowl 31 Green Bay Champs. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Compare them to the SuperBowl 32 Green Bay Losers. Check out the individuals that made up that team.

 

Hey, Brett Favre's still there.

So was John Elway, except he played for the Denver Broncos.

 

This was hard to swallow at first, but I accept it now. It was Elway's night, and nothing was going to stop him from getting that ring. Enough said.

You know I've seen that game a few times now and I feel that Elway was stopped as far as playing the Quarterback position in the game goes quite a bit. Sure he had his moments but sh*t.. he did not play terrificly..

 

Like my man Chuck said though: Davis sure did play terrificly.

[Mainland Marauder]

Davis was great, but the one play that sticks out in my mind is Elway leaping up and getting spun around like a propeller over the defense. That's when I knew it wasn't to be for my beloved Pack.

 

Okay...

 

Green Bay lost that game because Green Bay wasn't the best team on the field that night. I think we can agree with that.

[chuck430]

Davis was great, but the one play that sticks out in my mind is Elway leaping up and getting spun around like a propeller over the defense. That's when I knew it wasn't to be for my beloved Pack.

 

Okay...

 

Green Bay lost that game because Green Bay wasn't the best team on the field that night. I think we can agree with that.

you only remember that play b/c they still air it till this day.

[Mainland Marauder]

Davis was great, but the one play that sticks out in my mind is Elway leaping up and getting spun around like a propeller over the defense. That's when I knew it wasn't to be for my beloved Pack.

 

Okay...

 

Green Bay lost that game because Green Bay wasn't the best team on the field that night. I think we can agree with that.

you only remember that play b/c they still air it till this day.

Or maybe I remember it because I watched the game.

[chuck430]

Davis was great, but the one play that sticks out in my mind is Elway leaping up and getting spun around like a propeller over the defense. That's when I knew it wasn't to be for my beloved Pack.

 

Okay...

 

Green Bay lost that game because Green Bay wasn't the best team on the field that night. I think we can agree with that.

you only remember that play b/c they still air it till this day.

Or maybe I remember it because I watched the game.

then what other plays do you remember?

you said that Elway was the deciding factor in that game.....b/c he ran and got spun like a top?

[Mainland Marauder]

You know, I meant that as the one play that had me knowing it was all over for the Pack, not necessarily the one that made the entire difference. Football's a sequence of plays. Davis kept the Broncos up with the Pack and Elway put them over the top. It was just one of those things that was meant to happen.

 

Davis was good, but as you can see over the years any back can succeed in Mike Shanahan's system. Remember Olandis Gary? Probably not, unless you're a Bronco fan. But he cracked 1,000 yards after Davis got hurt and his career essentially ended. Since then, it's been one back after another. Hell, I could run for 1,000 yards in that offense. Although a solid back, I consider Davis to be somewhat a product of that system, although he's still the best back Denver's had in the last 20 years or so. However, just like the '96 Pack wouldn't have made it to the game without Favre, the '97 Broncos wouldn't have made it there without Elway.

 

Bottom line. Denver was better than Green Bay that night, Favre or no Favre. At least as a fan I can admit that.

[chuck430]

anyone can succeed? you make it sound like the NFL is Pee Wee League. and not just anyone can run for 2000yds in one season

[gta_player5]

Denver has had, and still has a great offensive line. Just like Kansas City, they hold the line and open up holes for the 'back to run. How do you think Larry Johnson developed into the runningback he is today? From running behind the KC O-line and playing behind Priest Holmes.

[Mainland Marauder]

anyone can succeed? you make it sound like the NFL is Pee Wee League. and not just anyone can run for 2000yds in one season

I've noticed you have a tendency to take one little phrase in a set of paragraphs and base the whole gist of the selection you've read/skimmed over and present that phrase as what the entire thing is saying. As a writer, people like that bother me. And I've dealt with them more often than I'd like to remember.

 

Pay attention. It seems anyone can succeed in Mike Shanahan's offense at the running back position. I didn't say "anyone can succeed in the NFL." I've actually met some of these guys, NFL players. They're in the league for a reason. I said I could run for 1,000 yards in that offense in a tongue-in-cheek way, considering I couldn't run 1,000 yards to the nearest Wendy's even without NFL linebackers on my tail.

 

But it's this particular team, the Denver Broncos, and a system behind an always-solid offensive line (like gta_player5 noted) that makes average backs put up great-looking numbers. I equate it somewhat to the "Mile High" effect in baseball of guys like Vinny Castilla putting up figures that would make him look Hall of Fame-bound if he played for the Dodgers, but are only like that because he played for the Rockies and hit in Coors Field.

 

The only back to leave there and amount to anything seems to be Reuben Droughns, who despite being in a terrible system in Cleveland (at least they're in the right directiono) has shown the ability to produce there. Everyone else has dropped off the radar who's been a one-time starting running back in Denver under Shanahan.

[B Rob]

Denver's offense is nothing but run. They've been in the top 3 rushing offense the last 5 years. It helps when you have a good line too.

[Mainland Marauder]

Denver's offense is nothing but run. They've been in the top 3 rushing offense the last 5 years. It helps when you have a good line too.

When your quarterback is Jake Plummer, it's better that way.

 

To his credit, though, Jake the Fake Snake has been decent since becoming a Bronco.

[GTA3Rockstar]

 

Denver's offense is nothing but run. They've been in the top 3 rushing offense the last 5 years. It helps when you have a good line too.

When your quarterback is Jake Plummer, it's better that way.

 

To his credit, though, Jake the Fake Snake has been decent since becoming a Bronco.

Think of it this way... With Brian Griese, only one playoff appearance, lost... With Jake Plummer 3 out of three seasons they made the playoffs, but unfortunately it stopped short at the AFC Champ game...

 

 

Green Bay lost that game because Green Bay wasn't the best team on the field that night. I think we can agree with that.

 

No, Green Bay was fine but rather Denver was f*ckin' awesome...

 

I was going to post a while ago, but I didn't... My dad found a Broncos hat, whooptie right? But instead of a Broncos written on the rim of the hat, it says, Dolphins... How could you mess that up??? It still had the logo, lol

[Mainland Marauder]

Well, I'll admit. Jake Plummer > Brian Griese.

 

Then again...

 

Todd Collins > Brian Griese.

 

(Okay, that's a little extreme...but my point has made it across.)

 

Now that Broncolphins hat is a collectors' item. Any chance you could take a picture and post it here? I'm battling curiosity here, and curiosity is ahead by two TD's.

 

And totally agreed with your take on Broncos/Pack in SB XXXII.

[D Jones]

I'm sure you're stupid enough to believe I think you're stupid. Ha, how fun life is.

 

 

f*cking hater.

 

I thought Brian Griese was good at one point. But ever since he started getting injured from car wrecks, and falling over his dog, he is nothing but a career backup to me. I could honestly care-less what he does at Chicago, they have Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman to fight for spots.