The thread that started it all

[killer.ip]

Sorry about that Dem, the entry for that file's been corrected in the Official Mods thread.

 

GT-1, it looks to me as though the render flag for that plot of land hasn't been set correctly. I can't reproduce that bug myself, but if you could change the the following entry in landSW.ide:

3143, sub_indland07, subind3, 2, 200, 6

 

We'll see if that does the trick.

 

karl, the Scenery Flicker Fix takes care of that. It's just the occlu.ipl file with all the data taken out... your guess is as good as mine as to why it works, but it does.

[madguy]

I bet. I havent been following your guy's progress as much since i got lost in the single topic madness. I looked at all the downloads and fixes and got discouraged. I am waiting for the big release. 

Have you tried roger's unofficial version? I wish I could get some feedback on how well that works so we can at least make it official until a more recent one is compiled.

It works fine for me..although some bugs that are in the Bugs thread..

[killer.ip]

Mr. Whoopee's been corrected. Hehe, almost sounds like he's been neutered or something.

 

 

The file has the sentxs, peren & mrwhoop files, might as well keep them together until the v1.1 pack's been released... should be sometime soon.

[madguy]

You can see through the building.

 

[killer.ip]

 

You can see through the building.

 

That's just been addressed recently, you should be seeing that fix very soon.

[X-fix]

Latest Cabanioven County Pics

Looks cool

[Blunted1]

Not to mention that Blunted1's work contained some of his own unofficial stuff that we already had official versions of. A good indication of his dedication to this mod

If you choose to demean and harass me I can return as quickly and easily as I left.

 

What you said had absolutily no connection with what was asked, and is just as obviously untrue.

 

I had an extremily great deal of dedication to this mod while I was allowed to work on it.

I did a heck of a lot of work for you and your team and did my best to make a worthwhile contribution which you may aswell have spit at, which goes to show just how ungrateful you truely are.

 

As far as unofficial, at the time I left my installer had one loading screen that was unofficial and absolutily nothing more.

And unless you are blind you will notice I offered to remove them about a dozen times at the drop of a hat whenever you decided that it was time for an official release.

 

So quite your belly acheing unless you started complaining like a sissy just to get a chance to speak with me.

I love how you criticize my work. My work is nothing more than a compilation of yours, so you are doing little more than insulting yourself.

 

 

 

 

Unless you are incapable of getting on with your own miserable life, I would respect that you quite slandering my name for no reason when I have already agreed to leave peacefully otherwise.

If you cannot handle that then you can be assured that I will be back for longer than this one post.

 

You act like such a big man in all your posts like you are holier than jesus christ himself and just as infailable.... well if you were a shred of what you pretend to be, you would realize that the easiest way to get rid of me is just to show a little common respect.

[BenMillard]

I'm officially freezing myself for this project because I just can't secure enough time to do the things I said I might. I havn't even managed to get around to installing it, although I have most parts downloaded.

 

I've left it in the projects list on my site so that I won't forget about it, just that I won't be working on it for a while.

[GT-1]

There were also the GTA3 xbox textures that are un-official. Why cant all you guys get on well, please I guess this will never happen.

 

Over the course of this mod I have spoken to Blunted1, Demarest and Killer.ip. You all seem like good guys and im sure something can be worked out. You all seemed like good guys and thats the way I want to remember this mod and anyone who contributes to it.

I have no grudge against any of you like I say, everyone working on the mod has done a great job.

 

@ Talidan, like I said before and I will say again, if there are any mods that conflict with the different files, go for the one that was released latest this should surely be right.

 

Thanks GT-1, teh 1337

[GT-1]

GT-1, it looks to me as though the render flag for that plot of land hasn't been set correctly. I can't reproduce that bug myself, but if you could change the the following entry in landSW.ide:

3143, sub_indland07, subind3, 2, 200, 6

 

We'll see if that does the trick.

Nope that just makes things worse, if no-one else has this problem then just leave it for the moment. I will get all up to date again on the mods and see if this things dissapears.

[killer.ip]

 

Nope that just makes things worse...

Oops, better change it back quick before anyone notices.

 

It's flag is rather strange though, identifies that plot of land as having an interior... I'm guessing it must mean something different under GTA3.

 

Hopefully a reinstall should solve the problem.

[Mark Pagliaro]

The only reason why the polmav follows the tracks is GTA:WO or shall I say Pinecreek-skidz set the flight data for the patrolling helicopter which was explained above. The original Vice City has a handling setting for a train but all other related items where taken out of VC like the track.dat files. We have to avoid using any of the existing flight.dat files as all are needed for other ports.

 

Airtrain (GTA:III) to Airtrain (GTA:LC)

Dodo (GTA:III) to Dodo (GTA:LC)

Chopper (not used in paths for GTA:III) needed for Chase copter in (GTA:LC)

We should however empty out the flight2.dat file so the chopper doesn't fly around liberty as it didn't do so in III

 

Using the chopper is not exactly pratically either as I believe there is only 2 choppers where as the train is 4*2 cars per train = 8 paths.

 

It looks as though we will have to simulate the train aswell.

Edited March 9, 2004 by MarkPagliaro

[Blunted1]

Unfortunatily GT-1, I don't see that happening.

I am more than willing to do my part and I am more than willing to contribute to this project once again....

 

But Demarest sees things differently and has asked me (almost respectfully) to please leave which I did on my own accord and I will do once again so long as no one wants me back badly enough to directly mention me.

 

So long as Demarest can let sleeping dogs lay and not insult and demean me for no reason whatsoever, you wont see me here anymore and I will leave all the work in the more than competent hands of the rest of the team.

I am sure they will do a great job with or without my installer.

 

If anyone wants any help or the latest version of my installer you can still contact me outside of these forums through PM or email and I will still be more than happy to help you no matter what question you may have.

 

 

P.S. GT-1, I had removed the X-box textures in the last installer I released and they are no longer in the installer I am currently handing out.

Besides Dem himself said they may be used "officially".. and whatever god, I mean Demarest, says is "official" goes doesn't it?

 

The point was there was nothing unofficial about my installer (nothing that couldn't be removed in ten seconds flat) and Demarests moaning about how "unofficial" my installer proves how much of a chip he has on his shoulder for no reason, and this crap about how I was not commited to the project is just as much a farce.

 

Because I had an alternate loading screen that I made, apparently I have no "dedication" to this mod ROFL

That is the biggest load I have ever heard.

I am sure any moron can take a look at the installer i made and the work I put in and realize that I had a great deal of dedication in order to update that thing every two days.

BTW, when was the last time it was updated since I left?

Guess that shows peoples commitment and "dedication" level in direct comparison to mine

[MajorOutage]

Damn man, you need to learn when to STAY AWAY

[karlneil]

 

[killer.ip]

Not a prob, those are both 2d issues that will be addressed in the next update.

[Demarest]

Thanks for your honesty. I hope at some point prior to our finishing you'll be able to mimic the GTA3 handling's for us. Until then, best of luck with whatever you're up to

[madguy]

Another...what about the cars spawning on top of another, that I posted before ?

 

 

Edited March 9, 2004 by madguy

[killer.ip]

 

Another...what about the cars spawning on top of another, that I posted before ?

kipo & Knux have been working on the new paths, they should be able to answer your question next time they pop in.

 

I'll get on the case with the fire station there, hadn't noticed that bug before... good job.

[Demarest]

Consider yourself fortunate that I'm bothering to reply to you at all. You were told to leave and what would happen if you didn't. The fact that you left then and there and did NOT antagonize us further (publically and on this website) is the only reason I leave your posts here. That and the fact that should you persist, it will serve as record for those with the laser pointed at your account to have confidence when pulling the trigger.

 

 

If you choose to demean and harass me I can return as quickly and easily as I left.

Wrong answer. You are not welcome here. The sum of your actions are self serving, generally disrespectful and undermining, and are totally obvious to everybody on the project.

 

 

I had an extremily great deal of dedication to this mod while I was allowed to work on it.

Every step of the way you hoarded the attention and command, bred disrespect, started fights, and continusously spoke in a divisive manner.

 

 

I did a heck of a lot of work for you and your team and did my best to make a worthwhile contribution which you may aswell have spit at, which goes to show just how ungrateful you truely are.

Again trying to breed dissension by warping the truth. The extent of the work you did was notable in my opinion, but nearly as large as you made it out to be. We did not spit at it, we praised it. You later showed that this project and forum would be better off if it were minus you even if that meant it was minus your work. Almost a nice try. Guess it's time for the regular (and final) reminder that all that happened is a matter of public record here for anybody that cares enough.

 

 

As far as unofficial, at the time I left my installer had one loading screen that was unofficial and absolutily nothing more.

While compiling official releases to make an installer, using a screen that our project never released would be an INTENTIONAL one. That's A. B: It said GTA:LC, so SOMEBODY (wonder who) made it. C: Though you speak as if you could at any point in time replace it and was going to, you never did. Somebody with this project in mind would've taken it upon themselves in the first place. So it was unofficial; something you willing admitted in the past, yet you attempt to fight against it here. Again, public record.

 

 

I love how you criticize my work. My work is nothing more than a compilation of yours, so you are doing little more than insulting yourself.

I never insulted anything. If I were going to, it would be you; the only deserving aspect of this forum. I love how for the longest time you boasted how much work you put into it, etc, but when it suits you, suddenly you remember that it is our work.

 

 

I would respect that you quite slandering my name for no reason when I have already agreed to leave peacefully otherwise.

Why would I need the respect of the likes of you? The respect I get on my own is genuine by those who notice my person or my work or both. Their respect is genuine as opposed to your fake respect that couldn't last longer than a few days because you couldn't stand it that we were saying the exact same thing, but I was wording it in a different, more respectful to "your" team member way. You never agreed to leave peacefully. You in fact did not leave until your account was threatened and your return here negates the relevance of the details of your absence as they are now voluntarily violated.

 

 

If you cannot handle that then you can be assured that I will be back for longer than this one post.

Again. Wrong answer. If you intend to be able to continue to undermine our efforts via the PM system of gtaforums, I suggest you apply the intelligence you did the last time you left and leave.

 

 

You act like such a big man in all your posts like you are holier than jesus christ himself and just as infailable.... well if you were a shred of what you pretend to be, you would realize that the easiest way to get rid of me is just to show a little common respect.

Even more disrespect and attempt to divide the effort by insulting the leader. People tend to have more respect for adults than those who resort to the mud-slinging tactics of first graders. I realize it was in fact fabricated, but I've seen you conduct yourself in a respectful manner. I guees you haven't learned anything. I had you pegged for that for a long time now; no surprises. I DO extend you common COURTESY by leaving your name in the team thread. Your presence was a part of our history whether we like YOU or not and so your efforts and posts remain steadfast and acknowledged. As for respect, that has to be earned and you've blown it on a couple dozen occassions with me.

 

 

I am more than willing to do my part and I am more than willing to contribute to this project once again....

That will never happen. I single-handedly allowed you to return knowing that your resurgance could very well disorient the team after your first wave of terror. I made a mistake in judgement and you proceeded to show me why I erred in judgement as well as confirm me earlier suspicions that you were not worth my time BECAUSE you were incapable of change/improvement. The fact that you were able to post as if you did give a damn abou this project and its members speaks of the amount of effort you're willing to put into tricking us. Maybe it's to further your work, maybe it's to make a name for yourself in the modding community. Your agenda is of no consequence to me. This forums serves as a conduit for the furthering of the GTA:LC effort. People will become known through its development, this is true. I'm not going to allow somebody who does not have the mod in mind and in fact is perfectly capable of obstructing its development by being a constan bother to those working on it to piggy-back off of our prestige.

 

 

But Demarest sees things differently and has asked me (almost respectfully) to please leave which I did on my own accord and I will do once again so long as no one wants me back badly enough to directly mention me.

Again, you did not leave until you were directly threatened by me. Know too that as soon as the dust settled there, I received a PM from EACH of the team members stating that they were glad that you were gone and that I had done the right thing. I suspected as much up front, but bent to your will to appease you knowing that I was betraying the team in the process. I will not make that mistake ever again.

 

 

So long as Demarest can let sleeping dogs lay and not insult and demean me for no reason whatsoever, you wont see me here anymore and I will leave all the work in the more than competent hands of the rest of the team.

You were a small part of your history. And so, your name remains on the list of contributors and your name will inevitably come up again. That is not your invite to return.

 

 

If anyone wants any help or the latest version of my installer you can still contact me outside of these forums through PM or email and I will still be more than happy to help you no matter what question you may have.

This continued attempt at getting people to PM you over a mod that I have fought from day one to keep public is probably the single largest piece of evidence that you have unrelentingly provided us that your interest is in your own furtherment than the well being of the mod. The second of course was your repeated display of language such as "your team" that in fact divided the contributors to the GTA:LC effort. Encouraging people to privately contact you for support for a mod that is both public and contains none of your efforts that you consequently also tried to unravel is counterproducative to our efforts. We already fight the rumor that WO has contributed in any way to our efforts and I'd rather not have to add you to that list. Give it a rest already. Oh, btw, you won't be able to send/receive PMs here if your account is banned. Sort of makes leaving like you're supposed to just to maintain your ability to undermine us via the PM system to be more tantalizing, doesn't it?

 

 

BTW, when was the last time it was updated since I left?

Guess that shows peoples commitment and "dedication" level in direct comparison to mine

With your installer on the market and roger's following it, what need have we to come up with another one? Most people grabbed the ones that were available before your tantrum subsequently made them unavailable and roger's is still available. You remember roger, right? The guy you tried to censor and control who was supposedly on "your team" but turned out actually wanting to further this effort after all? I guess that shows how the dedication of some were viewed by all of us to be more useful because it was not accompanied by a persona that was contrary to everything we stand for and are working towards.

 

I reitterate: those posts are tolerated. Further ones will not be. Leave. You are aware of the consequences if you do not.

Edited March 9, 2004 by Demarest

[Demarest]

If simulating the train is necessary, then I think it would be best if we did NOT have one randomly roaming about, but instead make one appear once the player stands in the pink circle to summon it. Not authentic, but possibly the easiest implimentation.

[killer.ip]

Now I know how a car author feels when their work's been stolen only to reappear on GTA3.net under someone elses name...

 

It's been three months since I started work on the project, and I'm in a fairly unique position in that it's been possible for me to contribute all of my time during those three months, and that's including time over the holidays too... good job my machine goes where I go.

 

For my work to be used in such a clandestine way is fairly upsetting, I have no problem in unofficial installers as long as they're kept on this board... but as soon as someone starts compiling other's work and saying how much time/effort's been put into them is ridiculous. I've said this before, the compiling of our work is the job of a clerk, please don't confuse compilation with creation... wonder why blaer get's pissed off with Spit811 & Pumbars? That's the reason.

 

Forbidding the use of any of my files, especially in an unofficial installer advertised/distributed outside of this board, isn't going to happen. Why bother when there's no way to enforce it... but please bear in mind the decision blaer took when this started to happen to his work.

 

[EDIT] - Just to clarify, I'm in no way saying that I'm the only one whose files are being used this way... my ego hasn't mutated to that extent just yet.

Edited March 9, 2004 by killer.ip

[Mark Pagliaro]

I think the train should be the last thing to simulate. If we have tons of code space left we should go all out if we have limited code space we should dumb it down.

[kipo]

got your pm killer.ip, that bug (cars spawning on top of another) is probably in the main.scm, the paths have nothing to do with it as those are parked cars, and parked cars are placed in the main.scm.

[Demarest]

Yes, as discussed in the SCM thread, that will be fixed in the next release.

[ModelingMan]

I'm getting this damn unhandled exception again, when I start a NEW game a few seconds later the game crashes. I tried Demarest's Nomad1, 2, 3 and 4 but no luck. Before I installed the updates it was working fine, but I want to see cars and peds in the streets, with hidden packages, and most of the fixes.

 

Someone please help me .

[liesofsilence]

What about rebuilding

[killer.ip]

 

I'm getting this damn unhandled exception again, when I start a NEW game a few seconds later the game crashes. I tried Demarest's Nomad1, 2, 3 and 4 but no luck. Before I installed the updates it was working fine, but I want to see cars and peds in the streets, with hidden packages, and most of the fixes.

If you're building up the game manually the best advice I can give is to reinstall VC, add WO's files, then add ours a step at a time, you need to verify that each stage of the process works before moving on to the next one. One fix at a time should do the trick, and if the process involves the Mod Installer then rebuilding your archive with IMG Tool is necessary.

 

Backup up your /data & /models folders before adding the next set of files, it'll save you starting from scratch if something goes wrong, and it helps us in that your bug report will contribute to making future releases more stable.

 

If you do find a particular file giving you any trouble we should be able to correct it before it gives anyone any more grief.

[karlneil]

i just cant stop hunting for bugs

 

[MajorOutage]

 

You don't have enough cash.

 

Go run over some peds.

 

EDIT. Oh, you mean the glass?

Edited March 9, 2004 by [4D]Outback