The thread that started it all

[GT-1]

Denarest, your website only shows links to the manual version, I'm assuming you can update the auto-installer as normal? Congratulations on bringing the modification this far, keep up the good work.

[killer.ip]

 

Anybody who installed killer.ip's "gta3lc_2d_fix_compilation.zip" is going to get all kinds of crashes that don't exist without it.

A crash problem in the Red Light District was brought to my attention a few days ago by Boombot & TheAnswer, I tracked this down to not rebuilding the gta3.img manually. I found this fixed the problem for me, as it did for those who originally posted the the report.

 

I've been working on a further update since then, an additional ? files or so, and have had no problems as long as I've manually rebuilt my gta3.img after using the GTA Mod Installer. As you know I do test all my files as thoroughly as possible, and any bug reports are taken very seriously. Let me know if you have any further problems.

[Demarest]

It worked of course. How embarrassing I even remember reading that and I still didn't do it

 

@GT-1: Yes, you can install the updates with the autoinstall version. I always recommend manual install over auto. It's really easy too.

[killer.ip]

Hehe, don't scare me like that Dem. Kinda strange that a bug with the Mod Installer comes after we've been using it successfully for a week or two. The workaround does, er... work though, so it seems to be okay to carry on using it.

 

I'll be updating my readmes with the new 'rebuild tip' info, and it's probably a good idea for anyone else intending on releasing an update that uses it to add this as well.

Edited December 27, 2003 by killer.ip

[blaer]

just wanna say dont forget to add a top view

gta3 had one, and thats one of the things i miss

in vice since its only possible to rotate the player

model in topview with the joypad.

 

keep it up

[MajorOutage]

woah, dust! *blows it off*

 

where'd everybody go?

[killer.ip]

/brushes aside one of the rolling tumbleweeds...

 

Right here man, but I think the entire boards been a little slow lately anyways. I'm on 56k for the holidays, and not only that but the line's on another machine altogether, so trying to pry off anyone else that happens to be on it is a game all unto itself.

 

I've been working my socks off the last fews days, so you should see another update from me pretty soon. I know Dem was saying he's got a week off, but I can't vouch for him. If he's had time off I can guarantee there'll be something to show for it too (even if it's not initially apparent, it'll be work behind the scenes kind of thing).

 

Okay, back into the fray, keep my seat warm.

 

[GTA3Freak-2001]

Okay, back into the fray, keep my seat warm.

gta3freak_2001 plonks behind in killler.ip's seat

 

Don't worry I'll keep your seat warm

 

Keep up the great work guys, you really are doing a great job

 

[Niklas89]

Hi,

Can you say me wich fixes/patches i need to be on the actually stand of GTA:LC ?

It will be a great help to me and possible to any others who are new to GTA:LC.

 

Greets

 

Niklas

 

P.S.: Sry but my english is a little crappy,hope you understand everything,

[Aztlan]

well can you believe this i just upgraded to windows xp pro and there is no problem anymore with skidz update

windows 2000 pro is evil i tell you evilllll

hehehe

 

anyway i took the time to make a list of the updates

 

here is PineCreek-Skidz updates

Mapfix V2

Download HERE

 

Hidden Package Update

 

Tunnel Texture fix

 

Here is Killer.ip Fixes

 

GTA3_LC_Texture_Fade_Fix_v2_0

(Fixes textures Flashing on and off due to 32 bit textures which VC cant handle

thanks TheBorg (administrator from theborggaming.com) for hosting it

 

2d Fixes

Click on the last link(after the red letters)

 

Gta:Lc Fixes By Demarest/Knux/Kipo

Files page (with description by Demarest)

 

LC dodo by CrazyDude

LC Dodo

 

Rail Track Fix (fixes the issue of the overhead tracks in portland island)

Scroll down the page to find link (then righ click and save)

^^ and other fixes with description by Knux

 

thats all the updates i think

 

to the team sorry to link it directly

if is not ok just tell me to edit this post

 

Cheers

Aztlan

Edited December 30, 2003 by Aztlan

[Knaxia]

good thing you did that since its a little dead right now.

 

btw, I have always the same damn f*ckin prob with this textures fixes!!! I install it, everything is ok, the game takes 3 time more time to load. and still INGAME ONLY SOME PART OF STAUTON IS SHOWING!!! Every building are transparents! only roads/grass/cars/props are showing! I tried everything! rebuilding the archive, changing DXT textures settings etc.

 

even in moomapper, the textures appears like "non existing" in white/non textured.

 

help?? (good thing I made a backup fo the GTA3.dir and gta3.img before)

 

EDIT: and look at that! 400 post in this Topicand a 21th page!! it's way more that the whole GTA:WO forums

Edited December 30, 2003 by Knux

[Aztlan]

are you talking about the big 15 mb file with the textures

if so what are your system specification

i think it has to do that killer.ip compress the textures in each txd

 

has anyone else had that problem

[Knaxia]

yeah, the texture fixes, which remplace most of the game textures in 16 bits.

 

Athlon XP 1800+ @ 1.67Ghz

512MB DDr 333

A7V8X

MSI GF4MX440SE-T 64MB DDR tv-out (Overclocked )

Forceware 52.16 2k/XP (latest)

Windows XP Pro. (no SP1)

etc.

 

I tried (with RivaTunner) to change the DXT settings but it doesn't work too...

 

EDIT: and btw, my video card supports DX DXT1/DXT3 textures compression in both D3D and OGL.

Edited December 30, 2003 by Knux

[Aztlan]

hmmm

i dont have that problem but i do agree that in moomapper the textures are white (i just saw that)

 

but i am certain is because of the compress textures

lets wait to see until killer.ip responds

if the solution requires to redoo the conversion i am here to help killer.ip

 

[StuntGames]

Wow, after I installed all those updates I was really satified how my pc ran the game, it ran so much smother and better than before, plus all the texture fixes does make it better as well. Great job on the texture compression, I am really impressed, Plus before when I downloaded the mod the img was 340 mb, after I installed all the updates and rebuild it, it was about 179 mb. So If we release a final version of the mod, it would be some what smaller than now which is 75 mb.

Btw I put the rcbaron/skimmer/dodo project to the side for now, the thing was giving me headaches..... and nightmares . Knux and I have been working on the cars for the mod, and are almost finished, since we are trying to get this mod as close as possible to gta3, I will also convert the carcols.dat , That is all for now...

Edited December 30, 2003 by crazydude

[Niklas89]

well can you believe this i just upgraded to windows xp pro and there is no problem anymore with skidz update

windows 2000 pro is evil i tell you evilllll

hehehe

 

anyway i took the time to make a list of the updates

 

here is PineCreek-Skidz updates

Mapfix V2

Download HERE

 

Hidden Package Update

 

Tunnel Texture fix

 

Here is Killer.ip Fixes

 

GTA3_LC_Texture_Fade_Fix_v2_0

(Fixes textures Flashing on and off due to 32 bit textures which VC cant handle

thanks TheBorg (administrator from theborggaming.com) for hosting it

 

2d Fixes

Click on the last link(after the red letters)

 

Gta:Lc Fixes By Demarest/Knux/Kipo

Files page (with description by Demarest)

 

LC dodo by CrazyDude

LC Dodo

 

Rail Track Fix (fixes the issue of the overhead tracks in portland island)

Scroll down the page to find link (then righ click and save)

^^ and other fixes with description by Knux

 

thats all the updates i think

 

to the team sorry to link it directly

if is not ok just tell me to edit this post

 

Cheers

Aztlan

Wow thanx Aztlan,

That is a great help for me!

[Demarest]

Right when I was about to post saying that I hope the sudden slowdown was holiday related... BOOM! But that's a good thing.

 

@Blaer: Camera views is hard coded. Barton once made a mod with a top down view. He said that it was nowhere near as reliable as GTA3's hard-coded camera view. I think we could skip it. What do others think? Maybe I'll look into Barton's mod; if it's thread based, it will defininely be out since anybody could later add it themselves.

 

 

and look at that! 400 post in this Topicand a 21th page!! it's way more that the whole GTA:WO forums

That's some intruiging trivia!

 

@crazydude: Mind if I give it a shot?

 

No, my week off came and went and was rather non-productive. Just the splashes release. Nothing big at all. The week was spent relaxing and with my so at least it wasn't wasted. Most of what I can do is dependent on a GXT conversion and ped translations. I'll probably sit down and do the GXTs myself with Krutchkov's help next opportunity I get.

 

In the meantime, Smithers2 is about to release a new download hub. We've gone over it a few times and it seems to be pretty up to date, so...

[Luke]

Hello

 

The site is now online featuring just the downloads and nothing more, the site is purely links at the moment, but if anyone doesnt have hosting, then please let me know and i can upload the file onto there.

 

The GTA:LC Site

 

Also, i now have Demarests approval , please feel free to let me know your opinions.

 

Thanks.

[Aztlan]

@ Knux

by the way do you have the latest directx 9

the graphic drivers is now 53.03 something like that

do you have the latest drivers from your motherboard

visit Asus site

 

i think it has to do with those things because no one else has seen issues with that file

[Niklas89]

The game crashed near the startpoint every time on me.

[Aztlan]

where is your starting point?

is it by the airport?

if it is have you tried the airport fix listed in one of the pages linked

Edited December 30, 2003 by Aztlan

[kipo]

@Niklas89: Rebuild your gta3.img file, in case you havent done that already

[Niklas89]

Ok now it working after rebuilded gta3.img

and it is normal that some objekts have no or only one sided textur(like some street pieces)?

[Aztlan]

those are still bugs, the team will fix those in the future

[Knaxia]

@crazydude: The carcols.dat is realllly easy to change. btw, next time you will be on MSN, we'll talk

 

@Aztlan: Weird, I installed those driver and it was still displaying "42.16"... I'll reinstall them again then... And I'm always up to date with my drivers.

Edited December 30, 2003 by Knux

[Mark Pagliaro]

killer.ip

 

I am amazed on how good portland looks with the 2d fixes. It is near complete. I just wish I could work as fast as you. I haven't done any work since the rail fix. (my only work lol) because I am having cpu problems although my isp problem is solved now. Ontop of all that my work booked me all xmas break. I have four days off starting today but I will be at my uncles. I'll try to work more on fixes there. I am still having some trouble with moomapper though.

 

Demarest

 

Why is the main.scm so ped dependent.? Couldn't you just use placers? and then when peds become more developed use the find and replace feature? However it does depend on gxt, exe boundrys etc.

 

Knux & Crazydude:

When replacing cars in vc are you making sure each gta3 car physics match that of the vc car.

 

Example GTA3 banshee couldn't accuratley replace VC because vc does not have a boot. Unless there is away around this? I have attempted before. It would also help me if you released a list of what each car replaced because obviously vc has more cars.

[killer.ip]

/check's under his seat to make sure it's not booby trapped. Satisfied, sits down.

 

@Knux - At the moment I'm stumped as to what the cause of the problem on your machine could be, but we do have a machine running a similar card back home... I'll be checking that out when we get back. I'm fairly sure it may be a specific problem in your case I'm afraid, as you're the only person to bring this issue up. This doesn't make it any less important however, but until we can reproduce this bug, could you make sure you have the latest drivers and other updates etc.

 

@Aztlan - There may be a couple of problems in manually converting the 32bit textures to 8bit textures, namely in recreating every TXD by hand without any bugs. In my experience TXD's created with a template usually work, but in certain cases it can be hit and miss. Easy enough to tell when you have a car in a garage, but when you need to find which texture is used where it's a different story.

 

This process would work if TXD Workshop had a 'convert to 8bit' option as well as a 'compress textures' option. I wouldn't want to press Delfi on this as I have no technical ability in this area, but if the option were to come up we could certainly use that.

 

Moo Mapper is a little strange when it comes to displaying textures:

 

This is just a reference pic with no textures:

 

This is the same scene but with a gta3.img containing 32bit textures:

 

Same scene again butwith a gta3.img containing DXT textures. Note that the colours were displayed incorrectly in the last pic, here they are true:

 

Last pic is the same scene, but taken from a clean GTA3 installation. Original game with all the original files using the GTA3 check box, and in this case every texture is displayed white:

 

There is another cause here I believe, not one I'm sure of, but I've noticed that some models have textures that stretch over several TXD's, and it's these that display incorrectly. But remember, this is just an observation of mine.

 

@Mark - Hey there man, thanks. If you need any help with Moo Mapper just let me know, and now that we know how to get around the opaque vegetation problem, I reckon you're ready to battle those trees again.

 

@Smithers2 - Well laid out webpage there man, looking damn fine, and nice that you've got Dem's support on it too.

 

Right, I'll try and make myself as available as possible to comments and ideas. Good to see things are mostly working them out, and Knux... I promise I'll try and get down to the bottom of this as soon as possible.

Edited December 30, 2003 by killer.ip

[Knaxia]

@killer.ip

 

look what happens for me in Moomapper:

 

The original (32bits) -> yes, colors are messed up

With the texture fix (all white textures are transparent ingame)

And with a clean install of GTA3:

 

Also, when I try to open the txds, I get error in most of the editor and others doesn't open it. I shall try to redo all the Txd with your textures and see.

 

EDIT: also, everything in a clean install of Vice City show perfectly with good colors.

Edited December 30, 2003 by Knux

[StuntGames]

@Demarest sure go ahead, I dont mind.

 

@Knux here is what I did and it worked for me: I got a fresh install of Gta LC, made sure everything is read-only unchecked, unzipped the texture fixes in a folder, opened gta mod installer 4.1, pointed it to the folder with the textures and then to my gta lc directory and then I let it do its job by the script, as soon as it was finished, I opened up the gta3.img and hit rebuild archieve, then tried it ingame and it works perfectly. After I tested it ingame I applied the 2d fixes the same way. Try this method out if you havent already

[Knaxia]

I did exaclty the same thing. same prob. And look, for me , all GOOD textures from the games (VC and GTA3 original) are showing perfectly for me in moomapper but not for killer.ip. So it's not me that have a prob, it the textures, since I use th original files, everything that is supposed to show correctly in moomapper are showing. Anyway, And btw, I don't have any texture bugs except the one sided textures, that's all, so anyway , I don't need it.

Edited December 31, 2003 by Knux