The thread that started it all

[Gforce]

sorry to appear to be butting in here guy's, firstly i'm a regular visitor here at gta forums but i don't post much, secondly thanks to Pinecreek-skids and the original team for finally releasing Liberty City....it really rocks , thirdly thanks to demarest and the rest of you who have made this TC finally come to life with all the fixes and .scm files, lastly this mod definitely needs it's own thread......somewhere, oh btw thank you all in advance for the future fixes e.t.c. that will inevitably arrive sooner or later...... and a Merry Christmas to you all

Edited December 25, 2003 by Gforce

[StuntGames]

Hey guys, Im currently working on getting the dodo ingame in place of the skimmer. I still have to give it reflections and model some wheels. I will release a beta of it hopefully with a little addon to the nomad scm if demarest doesnt mind, or he could do it himself. Im still working on the handling, I could make it have no limit on height, but it gets a little woobly while going up really high. What do you guys think?

[Demarest]

Actually, the current version of the code on my side already has parked Dodos. Once they're in game, I'll turn them on, change the spawn button like everybody wants, and release it

 

Mary Christmas all

[StuntGames]

anybody know of any hosting sites I can upload the file to?

 

Edit: here it is: Liberty City DODO

Edited December 25, 2003 by crazydude

[Demarest]

@crazydude: I haven't installed this yet, but I have some questions. First of all, I'd like to keep the skimmer just because it's one of the "advantages" to having LC in VC. That aside, I thought that the skimmer was classified as a boat and therefore could not have wheels/function on roads? I thought the research in this area stated that the RC Baron was the only car ID that could fly AND have wheels. Is this not true? If we have our choice, can we just use it as an RC Baron instead? I would just make the changes myself, but wouldn't be comfortable in the COL. Is this something you can update?

[PineCreek-Skidz]

MapFix V2

-Nothing new, just fixes the files that wernt intended for you guys.

 

DOWNLOAD REMOVED

 

Cull file:

Make sure the cull I put up is in the data/gta3maps folder and you replace the cull line in the gta_vc.dat to

IPL DATA\gta3maps\cull.ipl

Edited February 1, 2004 by PineCreek-Skidz

[StuntGames]

The wheels are there, its just that they dont spin, basically after I finished up the dodo, i replaced the skimmer col with the dodo col, moved the model up a bit on the Y axis, put wheels on and got it ingame to look realistic. I also modified the col file a bit so when you are moving on land, there are no sparks underneath. I guess I could replace the rcbaron with the dodo. That was my mission earlier, but When I went into the nomad scm and tried to spawn the rcbaron instead of the seasparrow it wouldnt appear ingame.

[killer.ip]

MARY.CHRISTMAS EVERYONE

 

Hehe, 10 o'clock Christmas Morning and my heads pounding like you would not believe.

 

/reaches for the aspirin, but doesn't believe for a second it's going to work.

 

Just kidding, hehe, I think I'll just about survive, but I doubt I'll be opening the curtains for a while.

 

As much as I loathe to admit it, teehee, Dem's right. We can't move this topic out of GTAForums. It being the crossroads that it is, it wouldn't necessarily be suicide, but there would be no point. THIS is what the community is all about, and I can't see the reason in moving it from under that community. It's not that it needs to grow, but this is pretty much the only vessel that can hold it.

 

/adopts lotus position and pretends to ignore pounding behind his eyes.

 

As for a central hub, I think Knux's page will be just fine for a while, simply as storage for the vast number of updates. However, somewhere down the line we are going to need a page to pimp the project... I think so anyways.

 

Okay, greetz to everyone who's contributed to the project in any way, shape or form, and that includes bringing up interesting points for discussion.

 

 

Outback,Dec 25 2003, 01:16]The original GXT's had the FEA_FM# entries in all CAPS. There are also other entries in the GXT for each station, but I haven't seen them used anywhere so I didn't include them.

Yer damn straight man, here's the updated info:

 

Old           NewFilename      Filename    head.adf   -> wild.adf     flash.adf  -> class.adf    kjah.adf   -> kchat.adf    rise.adf   -> fever.adf    lips.adf   -> vrock.adf    game.adf   -> vcpr.adf     msx.adf    -> espant.adf  flash.adf  -> emotion.adf  chat.adf   -> wave.adf Old Name     New Name            GXT EntryWILDSTYLE -> HEAD RADIO       -> FEA_FM0FLASH     -> DOUBLE CLEFF FM  -> FEA_FM1K-CHAT    -> JAH RADIO        -> FEA_FM2FEVER 105 -> RISE FM          -> FEA_FM3VROCK     -> LIPS 106         -> FEA_FM4VCPR      -> GAME FM          -> FEA_FM5ESPANTOSO -> MSX FM           -> FEA_FM6WAVE 103  -> CHATTERBOX 109   -> FEA_FM8

 

I thought things were looking a little anaemic as I was cruising round. The other references you found are those used in the credits, for the folk who worked on putting the stations together. They're so long for this very reason, every man, woman and child involved in any way is listed there.

 

@Mark - great to see you again man, sounds like things have been conspiring against you the last few days. Just solved the tree's and streetlights issue a couple of pages back, I hope you're still up for fixing a little vegetation.

 

@Aztlan - soz for the hassle man, t'will be worth it.

 

@Dem - still enjoying your passion on the project.

 

At everyone else involved or just enjoying reading along - without you there would be no GTA3:Liberty City.

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aaaah, don't you just love those festive clichés.

[Aztlan]

Aarrrggggg

even with the latest cull update it freezes

i followed every thing correctly

i give up unless is this stupid computer hehe

i dont think so is just brand new

oh well

Aztlan Raising White flag

 

oh Have a Merry Christmas

Edited December 25, 2003 by Aztlan

[Demarest]

@Pine-Creek Skidz: I apologize if I came off as if I was upset. I was upset, but not at you. I was upset at the mounting irritation from Smithers2 behind the scenes and that was making me take something that should've been just an inconvenience and turning it into something that I portrayed as upsetting. I never meant anything personal by it. The only reason I mentioned you specifically is because of your history in these files and all the help you've provided. You've been an invaluable player since well before any of us were putting in on it and therefore anything you release is going to be assumed by the public to be official. That's all. I know it's hard to fight the temptation to make LC "better". I know that the major issue of discussion ATM is the confusion in this thread and releases with additional things like that will only add to the confusion. Thank you for understanding and please again accept my apology for allowing something else make me appear as if I was upset with you or your work.

 

@crazydude: That's amazing. I'm going to PM Delfi about this because he wasn't able to do that no matter how hard he tried. If there is a way to do that for the RCBaron INSTEAD of the Skimmer, that would be cool. Or if everybody thinks that keeping the Skimmer out just because it wasn't actually in GTA3, then we can keep it as it is. My vote is to have a Dodo AND a Skimmer, but I already recognize the contradiction in posting so vehemently for authenticity, yet making provisions for a sea plane, helis, and bikes. Hopefully you and others can see the difference--I'm sure you can. As for the SCM, when I had used the Dodo DFF and TXD to replace the RC Baron, I had no issues parking RC Baron's (Dodo's) at all. It was weird because it still sounded like an RC and its COL file/model relationship made it handle impossibly. At any rate, see what you can do and if you'd rather just keep it as is, it's your decision to make. Of course thank you for all your support and effort thus far

 

@killer.ip: Mary Christmas to you too Thank you for your support. It is very important to me to keep things at gtaforums for several reasons. Most importantly, this project would appear dead if I was the only one working on it. The community is the true fuel here (contributions by members such as yourself) and keeping it forum based right where it was born is the easiest way to keep the community's voice and ability to contribute alive. As for what comes later, we'll cross that bridge then. I've given my word to illspirit and staff that we would be located here except for downloads and my word is very important to me. BTW, I'm enjoying your passion as well. You, Skidz, and Knux have been the largest, most consistent contributors and have in turn kept the passion in me--as well as others I'm sure--alive. It's those who are actively contributing that are keeping the passion going

 

Again, Mary Christmas to all

[Aztlan]

ok guys here is the link for download to the converted txd's

thanks to killer.ip for converting them

 

many thanks to TheBorg (from theborggaming.com) for hosting the file

is a big one 15 mb

cheers

 

GTA3_LC_Texture_Fade_Fix_v2_0

Edited December 25, 2003 by Aztlan

[killer.ip]

Thanks heaps for your help Aztlan, and the same thanks to The_Borg, this is by far the coolest and ontopic present this year, much appreciated guys.

 

If you're having similar troubles with what we've been discussing about this problem in this thread, then please give this fix a shot. Remember to manually rebuild the file when you're done installing.

 

Regards, killer.ip

Edited December 25, 2003 by killer.ip

[PineCreek-Skidz]

Demarest: You are right tho, this is suppose to be a conversion of gta3 and should look the same as the origanal game. I think I changed the files with my own intensions in mind and didnt think about what you guys thought of the idea.

Tho, there is one thing I want to talk to you guys about.

 

There isnt enough streetlights in Portland, maybe the city is out of money or something.. When everything is done I think more should be added, maybe in the area around marcos bistro.

 

 

[PineCreek-Skidz]

And also, here is another link to the LC Dodo by crazydude. Just in case.

[Aztlan]

i have a question. is the cull file that important?

because i having just bad luck with that file

i am going to restore my pc(i was going to that anyway) and see if resolves, it if not than goodbye to this mod

 

[PineCreek-Skidz]

The cull just tells the game which areas shouldnt have rain, and which areas shouldnt have garbage. Its not all that important for actually gameplay unless you really want to walk under rainshelters and not get rained on.

 

If anyone else has a problem with the CULL then im going to have to work on it some more.

Aztlan: Im going to try to help you if you really want the cull. But I dont really know where to start

Edited December 26, 2003 by PineCreek-Skidz

[Aztlan]

ok if is not that important than dont bother skidz

i am ok with what i have

i am just not going to update the cull

Edited December 26, 2003 by Aztlan

[Demarest]

@Skidz: I did what you said about putting the updated cull into gta3maps and making sure that gta_vc.dat also says gta3maps in its path. I have no issues. I was at one point before though, so I know this does in fact solve it.

[PineCreek-Skidz]

Aztlan: can I have your system specs?

Demarest: Can I also have yours?

 

 

Thanks

And eh, Marry Christmas all Best to you all.

[Demarest]

Enermax 350W

Intel D845GBV

P4 2.4B 533MHz 512k

256MB DDR333

Radeon 9700 Pro

onboard sound and LAN

Linksys WMP11 802.11b

WD 120GB ATA100 8MB

Adaptec 19160

Seagate 36GB U160 8MB

Win2000 SP3

DirectX 9.0b

 

If you need anything else, just ask.

 

[EDIT] On a side not, Smithers2 has PMed me once again. I do not believe in sharing PMs with others without permission, but I will share the general idea of it. He apologized for being disrespectful and stated that the nature of his site will be for downloads only. I replied encouraging him to update his stance here, for others. I only post this for the sake of completing the picture for those who may be considering the possibility of a sub-forum for our project.

Edited December 26, 2003 by Demarest

[Aztlan]

message edited by Aztlan

Edited December 30, 2003 by Aztlan

[JernejL]

That aside, I thought that the skimmer was classified as a boat and therefore could not have wheels/function on roads?

neo xbox folder - ControlMapping1.txt clearly says that skimmer is a boat:

 

#

# planes / rc-planes

#

# [CHRISTIANB] the skimmer can do drive-by's, since it's technically a boat

PLANE_WEAPON_FIRE @HELI_WEAPON_FIRE

PLANE_MOVEMENT_ACCELERATE @HELI_MOVEMENT_ACCELERATE

PLANE_MOVEMENT_BRAKE @HELI_MOVEMENT_BRAKE

PLANE_MOVEMENT_HANDBRAKE @HELI_SPECIAL_HUNTER_FIRE

PLANE_MOVEMENT_PITCH @HELI_MOVEMENT_PITCH

# [CHRISTIANB] the only plane in VC is the skimmer, which is technically a boat,

# and also gets controlled like a boat. that's why ROLL is on YAW

# note that the rcplanes ARE planes (rc ones, but with correct pitch/yaw/roll

# behavior)

PLANE_MOVEMENT_ROLL UNKNOWN_CONTROL

PLANE_MOVEMENT_YAW @HELI_MOVEMENT_ROLL

PLANE_MOVEMENT_UP_DOWN LEFT_STICK_Y #not used

PLANE_CAMERA_LOOK_LEFT_RIGHT RIGHT_STICK_X

PLANE_CAMERA_LOOK_UP_DOWN @HELI_CAMERA_LOOK_UP_DOWN

RCPLANE_WEAPON_FIRE @HELI_WEAPON_FIRE

RCPLANE_MOVEMENT_ACCELERATE @HELI_MOVEMENT_ACCELERATE

RCPLANE_MOVEMENT_BRAKE @HELI_MOVEMENT_BRAKE

RCPLANE_MOVEMENT_PITCH @HELI_MOVEMENT_PITCH

RCPLANE_MOVEMENT_ROLL @HELI_MOVEMENT_YAW

RCPLANE_MOVEMENT_YAW @HELI_MOVEMENT_ROLL

RCPLANE_CAMERA_LOOK_UP_DOWN @HELI_CAMERA_LOOK_UP_DOWN

 

the skimmer will never have rotating wheels - tested

but the rcbaron has them rotateable, and my new rcbaron based plane mod utilizes the rcbaron slot,

it also uses wheelmod, but if the back wheel isn't at same level as the front ones, it "bends"

to side, i think i can get around this by rotating the whole plane..

the wheels don't rotate, but the plane virtualy steers on ground..

 

 

i hope you find all this info useful.

 

[StuntGames]

I got the rcbaron replaced with the dodo, but I got some unpleasent results. It was in the ground, and I couldnt get inside. I guess this is the result of simply moving the model up a bit on the Y axis and fixing up the col file. But I hate making col files since I always mess up on them. I still couldnt get it to spawn so I had to use VC and spawn it through the garage. I guess Its possible to fix this up some more. Isnt it possible to have the dodo in place of the skimmer, and port the skimmer through a different id? Isnt there 4 available ids, 3 with Dmagics wheel mod installed?

[MajorOutage]

Why not just put the dodo in one of the unused slots...?

[StuntGames]

lol, good idea outback, i will attempt to do this tonight

Thanks for the suggestion.

Edit: I have no idea what I got myself into

I got it ingame, I can also get in, but thats all, there are no engine sounds, nothing, basically all i can do is sit in it.

Edited December 26, 2003 by crazydude

[Demarest]

@Aztlan: I'm sorry, I haven't been able to get onto the site for the last 4 hours. I have the "solution". Anybody who installed killer.ip's "gta3lc_2d_fix_compilation.zip" is going to get all kinds of crashes that don't exist without it. The one I kept getting is right after the winding road between the airport and the "industrial area" of SSV. As soon as I could visualize the straightaway, it would crash. Krutchkov was telling me of some he encountered too. And since I didn't make a backup with the autoinstaller, I had to start again from scratch. I learned my lesson. I don't remember for sure, but I think killer.ip warned us it was untested. So that's the problem. If you start over without it, you should do fine.

 

@crazydude: May I assume you're using Steve's CollEditor? If so, can't you just export the COL for the Dodo from GTA3 and import it into VC and name it whatever the RC Baron uses? Even when I was trying to get it in, I did everything except for the COL and had better luck than it sound like you're having.

 

UPDATE: I have made a couple small updates. One can be found here. It basically updates some menus and such. It supercedes the previous menu release made as well as my previous release of the pause map as it contains both. The menu has been updated though to be more GTA3 authentic. I've also taken the liberty to combine Knux's most recent paths release (1.6) and kipo's SSV paths release and combine them here.

Edited December 27, 2003 by Demarest

[Aztlan]

@Aztlan: I'm sorry, I haven't been able to get onto the site for the last 4 hours. I have the "solution". Anybody who installed killer.ip's "gta3lc_2d_fix_compilation.zip" is going to get all kinds of crashes that don't exist without it. The one I kept getting is right after the winding road between the airport and the "industrial area" of SSV. As soon as I could visualize the straightaway, it would crash. Krutchkov was telling me of some he encountered too. And since I didn't make a backup with the autoinstaller, I had to start again from scratch. I learned my lesson. I don't remember for sure, but I think killer.ip warned us it was untested. So that's the problem. If you start over without it, you should do fine.

 

 

not a problem Demarest

Thanks for your effort, but it seems that my problem is totally different

Killer.ip's 2d fixes have been working without problem

i have all his 2d fixes and no problem at all, i have every thing updated including your main, and there is no problem

the crashes happen after i install skidz update

even without any updates from the other team that update crashes for the reasons i said above

so i (and probably you) i am totaly stumped

have no idea what is the problems, oh well

there is always a first time

thanks

[StuntGames]

I have imported the dodo col for the rcbaron, I cant get into the baron, because the col is in the way, I will see if I can work it out. BTW the baron cant have the propeller spin like the skimmer.

[JernejL]

 

lol, good idea outback, i will attempt to do this tonight 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Edit: I have no idea what I got myself into 

I got it ingame, I can also get in, but thats all, there are no engine sounds, nothing, basically all i can do is sit in it.

it is handling.cfg problem - i had same thing with my plane,

just replace the handling.cfg lines to:

 

RCBARON 4000.0 8 5.8 2.5 0.0 0.0 -1.0 99 1.10 0.1 0.50 1 380.0 180.0 F P 5.5 0.50 0 45.0 1.8 0.12 3.0 0.08 3000 0.3 -0.01 0.5 0.0 40010 0 1

 

and second

 

$ RCBARON 0.0038 0.97 -0.00018 0.006 0.10 0.002 -0.007 0.0002 0.0080 0.012 0.19 1.0 0.998 0.997 0.990 0.0 200.0 0.0

 

this should make the rcbaron to stay with wheels on ground.

Edited December 27, 2003 by Delfi

[Demarest]

Thank you, Delfi. Will this also make it drive like GTA3's Dodo?