The thread that started it all

[killer.ip]

 

Isnt there an easier way, like cant you get someone to create a script to do them for you.

 

To do every texture in the game will literally take years.

There is no need to retexture every 2D object in the game, I agree that would take years, and yes, there is an easier way. I refer you back to a post I made on page 8:

 

 

2D Single Sided Texture Fix using Zmodeler

 

Tools required

Moo Mapper

GTA3 IMG

Resource Hacker

Zmodeler

 

Moo Mapper - Note: Landscape+Mouse interaction - left button scrolls, right button rotates & wheel zooms.

 

1. Open Moo Mapper, use the All Models + All Textures setting.

 

2. In the right hand panel click one of the 15 entries to load that part of the city.

 

3. Zoom out to show the area you've loaded.

 

4. Using a combination of zooming, scrolling & rotating to bring the view close enough to see the object you are interested in.

 

5. Double-click the object to bring up the Item Editor Dialogue, it's DFF filename will be found in the Model Name entry.

 

6. Click the Texture Display button at the top of Moo Mappers window, this will identify the TXD filename.

 

7. Close Moo Mapper, run IMG Tool and extract both files you have found. Before you do so however, please read the note below.

 

Zmodeler - Note: To use Res Hack you will need access to an uncompressed gta3.img file. Res Hack will not read DXT compressed files. An uncompressed gta3.img can be found in both the automatic & manual downloads of GTA3:LC.

 

1. Extract the image files as TGA's from the TXD file using Res Hack making sure they go into the folder containing the relevant model file.

 

2. Import your model file into ZModeler.

 

3. In the object list on the bottom right copy the main model object you will be working with, then copy it again.

 

4. Name the first copy - axis -, and the second copy - reorient -.

 

5. At this point make a note of the main objects name in the object list.

 

6. You should now have all the relevant files:

-     the original model + accessory objects

-    an object called - axis - (this will provide a local axis reference later)

-     an object called - reorient -

 

7. In the object list, hide everything apart from - reorient -, make sure you are at the Object Level then select it's mesh.

 

8. Choose the 'Modify > Reorient' tool, then click - reorient -'s mesh.

 

9. Bring up the original object so you now have two visible objects (normal version + reoriented version).

 

10. In one of the windows select them both with the Quadr Tool at Object Level, and join them with the 'Create > Objects > UniteSelect' tool.

 

11. Zmodeler will ask you to assign a name, leave it as Union, click Ok.

 

12. Now rename the Union object to it's original name you noted earlier, then hide it.

 

13. Unhide the - axis - object, and select the following 'Select > Local Axis > Copy' tool.

 

14. With the Local Axis Copy tool click the mesh of - axis - to copy it's local axis. That's the end of this object usefulness, it can now be deleted.

 

15. Unhide your new United Object Model, then left-click it to update it's Local Axis.

 

16. Export the model and you're done.

 

This method has reduced the workload to a manageable degree. In fact right now, Portland is 90% complete, Shoreside Vale is finished apart from The Airport and Staunton Island doesn't look to have as many 2D objects as the others.

 

Watch this space for a couple more weeks, beta releases will be appearing along the way... this problem is nowhere near as large as we originally thought.

 

[EDIT] If you'd like to try the current releases but missed the links posted earlier, you can find them here. Just remember to manually rebuilt your gta3.img with the IMG Tool when you're done installing them.

Edited December 24, 2003 by killer.ip

[Luke]

Im glad to hear that. This mod really does travel at a really amazing pace.

 

At the moment, im putting together a website for GTA:LC and hopefully a forum too. I plan to have this online and finsihed by Sunday or Monday.

 

Have a good christmas everyone.

[Demarest]

 

Isnt there an easier way, like cant you get someone to create a script to do them for you.

 

To do every texture in the game will literally take years.

Hardly. You don't appear to be aware of the rate at which killer.ip works. He is one of--if not THE--the most active members in this. Besides, a LOT of the conversion taking place here WILL be done manually and take a lot of time. Hopefully others will feel as you do and appreciate it that much more once it's all done

 

@ptad1: Again, the spawn only takes place when you're pressing Sprint and NOTHING else. If you're not pressing a direction, you have no reason to be pressing Sprint. BUT I've heard enough people mention this that I will change it in the next release. I'll make it Sprint+Aim+no direction keys. As for save points, savegames have to match the main.scm that made them. This mod will be ever evolving and therefore there is NO advantage to saves except to preserve your stunt stats. Since there are currently no rewards for collecting packages, even they can justify it. Don't worry though, the next stage in coding is probably going to be the doors and such. Once I get that under control, saving will be next. It will probably be disabled upon release though to avoid any "my game won't load" confusion. For now anyways.

 

@killer.ip: Very good news indeed!

 

[EDIT]

@smithers2: Please do not make a forum for this project. gtaforums has done a great deal for me and I have a great deal of respect for them. That and the fact that they are THE largest GTA forum online, THIS is GTA:LC's home, full stop. As for a website, that would only be necessary as a DL hub only. illspirit has returned my PM about our own sub-forum here and he thinks it's a good idea. He still has to discuss it with staff, so there are no guarantees. However, I believe their decision would be easier to make if they were doing it for a project that is exclusive to gtaforums as this one is. If we had a standaolone site, that would HINDER our chances at our own sub-forum; something we all agree would be VERY useful. As I explained to illspirit, with gtaforums as our information center, the only webspace we would need would be for downloads. As of yet, there has been little issue with distributing updates, but a centralized location would be a good idea.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Demarest

[Luke]

Ok, but im still making a site for you. I dodnt know that you had plans for a sub-forum here, that is a better idea.

[Posty_2k3]

@kipo

Nice paths. I see you even have the peds walking on the sidewalk Finish the airport island and I'll go there most, hhe. I like being able to run down peds and stuff again

[Aztlan]

@PineCreek-Skidz

yes i have problems with the cull file

i dont know why

like explained in the other post

this is when the file is not installed

 

this is how it looks with the file install. soon after that it crashes

 

[Demarest]

Oops

 

 

I don't have any problems with he skidz cull.

It seems that its the same error that had Knux with more than 25 locations in the navig.zon

I did. When I edited gta_vc.dat to point to maps/cull.ipl like before, no prob. Leave it as the gta3maps/cull.ipl as it comes and crash a moment after loading.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Demarest

[TheAnswer]

I don't have any problems with he skidz cull.

It seems that its the same error that had Knux with more than 25 locations in the navig.zon the weird yellow light behind the player ...

Edited December 24, 2003 by TheAnswer

[Demarest]

@Skidz: Okay, what gives? You decide to take the helis out of the airport that belong there, but you add things that don't?

My question is why? Take that ramp for example. That's a good idea... but it doesn't fit this project. You pioneered these files, so when you post something as an update, EVERYBODY is going to download it thinking they need to. Please don't take the mod over as your own. We are porting GTA3 here. Whatever was in GTA3 stays as close as possible. Please undo any such changes you made and re-release your "map fix".

[Mark Pagliaro]

This really sucks!

 

Ive been gone and now I wil still be away because my step-mother got in a fight with my dad so she took the router off (she pays for the net) So now I'll have to wait for the internet (we are getting a better dsl service then she has) right now I am using free dial up from my school but I can't read all the added pages on dialup it lags so much.

[Demarest]

I'm really sorry it has to come to this, but it would appear that there is a member in the community who would like to inject a bit of dissension into our midst. So I would like to take this opportunity to address this once again.

 

This thread is long. The updates came with a fury of releases and it's hard to keep track of what's what. We can all see this very easily. And I'm not just talking about people who are currently contributing either.

 

Several of us are making an effort to streamline this and that can only be a good thing. gtaforums does not offer file hosting, so we all need to come up with our own way and perhaps a joint way to make releases. In terms of download links, we have no choice but utilize OTHER websites than gtaforums.

 

On an informational level however, gtaforums is THE ideal location for us to utilize as a hub. Not only is it the largest GTA community online, but it is where GTA:LC was born and nurtured up to this point. Setting up an information hub outside of gtaforums is not necessary and is borderline blasphemy in my opinion.

 

Smithers2 has been kind enough to step in and try to take over with a website he is constructing for this project. On the surface, this could be a very good thing. What would be even better is if we could get our own sub-forum HERE. As I've tried to explain, I am working on that. I have spoken with illspirit and he too sees that we need it and is okay with the idea. It is not his decision alone however, so he will need to consult the rest of staff. It took illspirit a couple days to get back to me and it will no doubt take some time to get the staff's approval. Patience is key; especially with the holidays upon us. We're in effect asking the largest GTA forum to change the way it is managed for US. That's quite a favor to ask. And if it is granted, it will no doubt take illspirit time to set it up.

 

Now put yourself in the shoes of the staff. Would you be more willing to make special provisions for a large project that was featured exclusively on gtaforums, or would you be more likely to do it for a project that is based off-site and only uses your site for advertising? Do you see my point? I told illspirit that we were NOT based elsewhere and this could help grease the wheels as it were. So we need to give it a chance.

 

Now I've tried explaining this to Smithers2 and rather than deciding to put his project on hold for a few days or however long it takes JUST TO FIND OUT THE ANSWER, he's approached me from a "this is how your team views this" angle. I don't know if he speaks the truth or not and I'm not going to concern myself with it. So I decided to post in detail exactly what is happening at this point. I'm sure it's not going to look good if staff members check out this topic to see if it merits its own forum only to find that the team is still in infancy and yet ready to oppose one another. So I'd like for everybody who's been working on this mod to speak up and share your thoughts. Because if Smithers2 persists, it could very well mean that we won't get our own sub-forum and the project will then become LESS organized.

 

It's all an issue of time. I think it's worth the wait. What about you?

[Aztlan]

hmmm

i am one of the persons who will like this Mod to have its own subforum, as i said in the thread before.

look how many views this thread has gotten. most people who are interested in this mod have gotten used to visiting gtaforums to view the progress of the mod

so in my opinion is better, like demarest said, for this mod to hopefully have its own subforum

because it will get help from the sorrounding community

visiting these forums

Edited December 24, 2003 by Aztlan

[frogon1]

I understand that you guys need somewhere to start so having a subforum is a good idea. The only thing is after you got your subforum, where are you going to have your downloads? Also, it might be a bad idea, because you will get a lot of posts that have nothing to do with the LC topic. You should think about a website, because not only would you get more screenshots, but you could host your own downloads, and even some bugs, and what you need and want for the mod. Since it is a large one, you should have a website full of pics of cars, and buildings. Don't reject the idea too quickly, because you might need one soon.

[TheAnswer]

I'm agree with frogon1, you guys need a website where to post news, screenshots, etc...

 

I saw that Smithers2 is making a website for you

 

And about the skidz map fix, i fogot that i modified the gta_vc.dat to fix it

 

Shorside Valey is looking very good with the peds and the car paths , good work

All of you are doing a great job, don't stop

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you!!!!!

Edited December 24, 2003 by TheAnswer

[Luke]

May I please draw your attention to this PM i sent Demarest:

 

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I SAID

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Do you know what all of the bugs in GTA:LC are, and where the fixes are, so i can make the websites bug page.

 

To which I was replied to with:

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DEMAREST SAID

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I've already told you that we're going to use gtaforums as an information hub. If we get denied a sub-forum, THEN we will consider using a website for info. Even then, I'm thinking multiple threads would be more appropriate.

 

illspirit and I are kind of friends and he's going out on a limb for me (again) to get the sub-forum thing going. Please don't hamper our efforts. I've already told him that we were not going to use outside sites except for downloads as he indicated that could be something the staff might look at when deciding whether or not we get a sub-forum. If we do, making an outside site will make me look to be a liar.

 

You already read this in the thread. I appreciate your willingness to help, but at THIS moment, that's not the way to do it. I'm keeping this PM in case it comes up...

 

I replied:

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I SAID

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The whole point of this site is purely for the people who cannot be bothered to read through multiple threads just to prevent their game from crashing. And trust me, there are plenty of people whi think like that.

 

By all means, please do get a sub-forum, i totally agree that it would help greatly to pull together the efforts of the people and keep things organized.

 

I have already been in contact with some of the other people working on your mod (i will not name any names, due to your lack of consideration). I am not alone in my thoughts about this site. I personally find that you are highly misleading in many of the things that you have said to me. I do not wish to be of any trouble but i feel you simply are not 'viewing the whole picture'

 

 

He then replied, as so taking authority over me. He has no right to do this and i find this very demoralising. Also, this is not the first time i have had disagreements with demarest, althought i have previously kept my opinions on these matters to myself. He has previously told me that 'I am not a coder unless...'. I am very sorry, but i am a coder when i make code and i do this very well, i have a mod which i hope to release early new year and i do not wish for you to interfere with this. This however is different, I have several people who agree with me and therefore i do not believe that YOU should be making the decisions about a mod that has a team consisiting of people putting in far more effort.

 

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DEMAREST SAID

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I don't know who you think you are, but I have been doing what I can to coordinate this project. It took off faster than anybody could've expected and therefore the thread became confusing. When did I oppose you in that opinion? I'm handling it... the RIGHT way I might add. Do you know how many TCs are in the works right now with valid teams? More than a handful at least. Do you know how many of them get their own sub-forums? One. We could be the 2nd. If we get our own forum, we could have a pinned thread for bugs, one for rumors, one for releases, etc. It would be a lot more organized and it would be hosted right here where the project lives. That sort of thing takes time to set up. I did the right thing by contacting illspirit. He's told me he agrees with me and he's going to talk to the staff about it. That too will take time. The wait will be well worth it. IF that should fall through THEN we might use an external website. You're a programmer, that should make sense to you. I feel I've been very clear on this point before.

 

I am a MOD in the GTA3 forums. I have 2 good karma stars and was just welcomed into THE most respected gang on the forums. I am currently the favorite for gtaforums's most helpful member award and I've put countless hours into modding, answering questions, helping people etc. Bottom line: I have a very good standing here. And I'm not going to allow it to be ruined because YOU refuse to desist.

 

Now I'm not asking you, I'm TELLING you. NO. No website. We don't need outside forums at this time and I will NOT tolerate an info base outside of these forums. That could change if we are declined our request for a sub-forum. Let's cross that bridge then. No need to blow your load prematurely. Got it?

 

 

I was outraged at this. NOW, i am being told I CANNOT MAKE A SITE FOR THE MOD. I am NOT alone with my views, also i am NOT against a sub-forum for GTA:LC, so where is the problem?

 

Besides this, have a good christmas everyone.

 

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I made this post originally to inform people that i am still making a site for the GTA:LC team, and if all goes to plan, and i can keep the support i already have with my views, it will be online by the new year.

 

Thanks

Edited December 24, 2003 by Smithers2

[JernejL]

I was outraged at this. NOW, i am being told I CANNOT MAKE A SITE FOR THE MOD. I am NOT alone with my views, also i am NOT against a sub-forum for GTA:LC, so where is the problem?

 

Besides this, have a good christmas everyone.

 

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I made this post originally to inform people that i am still making a site for the GTA:LC team, and if all goes to plan, and i can keep the support i already have with my views, it will be online by the new year.

 

Thanks

so what, he said no and you still harras him..

 

no means no.. it is simple, clear but if not logical then he explained why to you..

 

if you are a part of gta:lc team you were probably asked to do the website - which i see you

aren't and haven't been asked for, so get off their back by making them a website if they

said NO!

 

*and if you continue i'll give demarrest another good karma star *joke*

 

[punk_rocker128]

Uhm, well, You wanted me to reply to this to support you, but I cant. I dont agree with you, nor do I disagree with you. Im confused really. Your reply is very confusing. I couldn't understand who said what in the quotes so I can't take sides. Sorry...

[TheAnswer]

Ermmm a little confused... xD

Why do you don't want to have a web page?

I support you or no... i'm confused, why not having a sub-forum and a page?

Edited December 24, 2003 by TheAnswer

[punk_rocker128]

No offense or anything, but you kind of fired him up. Look at this:

 

 

(i will not name any names, due to your lack of consideration)

That would make me mad. If I were you, I'd watch what you say.

 

I would have stopped once I heard him say this:

 

You already read this in the thread. I appreciate your willingness to help, but at THIS moment, that's not the way to do it. I'm keeping this PM in case it comes up...

 

I'd just say make the website. Just make it. People aren't forced to look at it. I think you're just trying to help the team out a little.

[Demarest]

I understand that you guys need somewhere to start so having a subforum is a good idea. The only thing is after you got your subforum, where are you going to have your downloads? Also, it might be a bad idea, because you will get a lot of posts that have nothing to do with the LC topic. You should think about a website, because not only would you get more screenshots, but you could host your own downloads, and even some bugs, and what you need and want for the mod. Since it is a large one, you should have a website full of pics of cars, and buildings. Don't reject the idea too quickly, because you might need one soon.

I've already said that an outside source for downloads is necessary. We don't need a website with buglists, etc. If we used a website for such a thing, it would be one person's portrayal of such things. In a forum such as this, the load is distributed amongst everybody and everybody has a voice. When I first got my hands on the files, I was ready to do a full port ALL BY MYSELF. Others believed in the project and decided to pitch in and before you know it, they're carrying me along! The power of the public is not to be underestimated and it is not to be shutout by moving things elsewhere into the hands of one person. One person who clearly doesn't have an interest in the mod or the people working on it. Since it doesn't seem to have gotten acroos before, let me explain something again: If smither2 makes a website, that will HINDER our chances at getting our own sub-forum. Between going from public to in his hands alone and the jeopardization of a potential sub-forum, it is evident that the evolution of this mod is not where his interest at.

 

@frogon: I have not rejected the idea. "Smithers2 has been kind enough to step in and try to take over with a website he is constructing for this project. On the surface, this could be a very good thing." See? I also said "It's all an issue of time." I never said no website. As my words here and Smithers2's disrespectful sharing of a private conversation indicates, my answer to him was NOT RIGHT NOW. There's a difference. RIGHT NOW, this project would best be helped by our own sub-forum at gtaforums.com. IF... IF that doesn't happen, then a website would be good... for downloads. I still many threads here would be better as everybody could report their releases/finds.

 

@TheAnswer: Up until now, anybody has been free to do and contribute however they feel. He brought up a website and I told him that was a good idea, that we would need a centralized download location (althought Knux gave us his for now), and that the timing needed to wait. Instead of being considerate of my wishes (since the betterment of this mod has been my dream for months now), he became pushy. So please don't bring up making a website as if that makes him a saint for this mod because as I explained above, what he's doing will actually SLOW DOWN the mod and potentially cripple us in the long run.

 

@punk: People wouldn't be forced to look at it, but the staff would no doubt be more hesitant to give a sub-forum to a project that appears based outside this website. It's a natural fact of webmasters. I know I wouldn't use my site for hosting much of anything I didn't do myself.

 

@Smithers2: Out of 35000+ members, congratulations on being the 3rd to make it onto my disrespect list. Stepping on my toes and interfering with the largest project I've been involved with were bad, but tolerable. To have the disrespect to take a PM (P = private) is crossing the line. I don't normally get the way I got with you and it's not something I'm proud of. I got that way with you because... well... you didn't really give me much of a choice, did you? After my butterfly, GTA:LC is the most important thing I have going right now. So of course I'm going to "pull rank" if that's what I feel is the only way to protect "my baby." I don't want to see it killed or otherwise set back because you can't wait. What's in it for you? What do you have to gain that you're willing to make yourself look like a villian to reach your end?

 

...i do not believe that YOU should be making the decisions about a mod that has a team consisiting of people putting in far more effort...

I have been the coordinator of this from square one. If it weren't for my vehemency, my pressure on the WO team, and my fervor with updating things once I got them, there would be no public effort. I'm not saying I fuel it at all, but I did start it. It is true that several members are putting more effort into this than me. Make no mistake about it though: When all is said and done, I'll have every bit as much effort into this as Skidz does. If you understood coding for GTA, you would know that there's not much more I can do until peds and the GXT get sorted. Also, the conversion of the cutscenes is going to be hell; each and every one. So don't try to make me look like a slacker because you're not going to fool anybody.

 

i am NOT against a sub-forum for GTA:LC, so where is the problem?

The problem lies in that your making of a website could damage our chances at getting a sub-forum. A sub-forum would be 10 times more helpful than our own website. Delfi is staff and if his input is any indication, it is clear that I am supported. I am not surprised as my interest is with the success of this mod and I want to accomplish this in a way that will honor gtaforums. What you're doing is opposite of that. There's the problem. You asked me and I told you, yet you carry on as if this is yours to mess with. Then you have the audacity to try and start a rally against me? (When punk said "YOU wanted me to..." he wasn't talking to me. You however have mentioned several times that others feel the way you do, so...)

 

BTW, since Smithers2 was trying to twist my words by telling you that I said "[he's] no coder if..." I would like to clarify what he's talking about. First of all, I acknowledge (based on what he's told me, whatever that's worth) that Smithers2 is probably more of a coder than I am. I may have a more steadfast grasp on GTA coding, but he probably is better than me at coding in general. No shame. At the same time, he's making mods and publically stating that he's not going to release or share his code. This is NOT the way coders are. Those of us who write do it because we appreciate the spirit of making things our own. We've always shared since the days of war dialing and beyond. My sentence to him was to the tune of "You are not a true coder if you won't share your work." I was not judging him as a coder, but rather his disposition towards the public... Much like taking a public project and engaging in behavior that puts it at risk. Interesting...

 

@Delfi and Aztlan: Thank you for your support.

 

No offense to those who replied, but what I'm really looking for is the views of Mark, killer.ip, Knux, and possibly Skidz. I only say possible Skidz because one of his last releases was contrary to the project as well. Until we get to the bottom of that, I don't know what to think. If I forgot anybody who has contributed to this mod, I apologize. Everybody's opinions are welcome. On this matter, it is the opinion of those involved that are most important.

[TheAnswer]

I totally agree you Demarest.

I think that having a sub-forum, we all could help to finish this amazing mod.

Edited December 25, 2003 by TheAnswer

[MajorOutage]

 

Thanks for the list there Outback, just tidied up a little and with the GXT entries:

 

No problem, man. I do what I can to help out.

 

The original GXT's had the FEA_FM# entries in all CAPS. There are also other entries in the GXT for each station, but I haven't seen them used anywhere so I didn't include them.

Edited December 25, 2003 by [4D]Outback

[MajorOutage]

Smithers2: You are being very pushy and demanding, and you have no right to be. If you want a list of known bugs...look through this thread yourself. It's all here.

 

The decision to have a website may not be solely Demarest's, but it DEFINITELY isn't yours either (not saying it's mine, either, but still...).

 

Now, please, take your "ME, ME, ME!" Attitude elsewhere.

 

In other news...

 

Anyone else notice the sudden movement in progress on GTAWO? Wonder where that came from...

Edited December 25, 2003 by [4D]Outback

[Demarest]

Outback' date='Dec 24 2003, 19:40'] ...Anyone else notice the sudden movement in progress on GTAWO? Wonder where that came from...

Actually I hadn't. It was expected though the moment we decided to work on this in public. Thank you for being the voice of reason.

[punk_rocker128]

 

@Smithers2: Out of 35000+ members, congratulations on being the 3rd to make it onto my disrespect list.

Man, that's gotta hurt. I hope I never make it on there

 

 

Then you have the audacity to try and start a rally against me? (When punk said "YOU wanted me to..." he wasn't talking to me. You however have mentioned several times that others feel the way you do, so...)

I wouldn't say he wanted to start a rally, he just wanted some support on his side. I try not to take sides in things like this. I know almost nothing about this situation and I'm not reading almost 400 replies.

 

Basically, no offense to you Smithers, but you should stop now. It's no use. Demarest has practically all the members on his side. Most replies are going to be supporting Demarest's opinion. Sorry man...

[Mark Pagliaro]

Helicopter issue:

I personally think we should port GTA3 over firstly then other updates could be added as addons.

 

I do not want to commit to a website at this point. So in a word do we need a website? No!.

 

A website would only make me less committed to this project because I and the other contributors would have to depend on a webmaster. A website would also take the community out of the project because only those with authority would be able to post updates, progress, and downloads on it. I would rather stay away from an informational website at this time because of these hassels not to mention people will become dependent on updates and will not bother reading this thread.

 

Subforum issue is still a grey area for me at this time.

 

If you really want GTA3 in Vice City's engine you would put up with this thread.

 

 

[PineCreek-Skidz]

hey guys

Yea, sorry for the last release, it appears i gave you files that wernt exactly needed.

Ill release an update that fixes everything tonight.

[Aztlan]

hey guys

Yea, sorry for the last release, it appears i gave you files that wernt exactly needed.

Ill release an update that fixes everything tonight.

good to hear

hopefully it resolves my issue

[Krutchkov]

im sorry to bust anyone in the knee caps but i personaly know dem and he would have done this on his own and i know now seeing all the great help he is getting he is glad to get it but he is right and an off site web page is not right for now but i think if this person wants to make one he could use it currently for all the updates we make so there is an organized place to get the updates BUT i still think dem should have a say as to wether or not that gets done after all there has to be some control over the updates too DUE to skidz release with added features myself as soon as i saw it i put the right one back in altho it was some cool jumps and may have just been there for people to enjoy the airport tempararly since it was so long befor it was fixed thats how i saw it BUT we should keep it org to gtaIII as to keep it authentic then later after we get it going altogether then we could post some cool additions like a jump mod ect but for now please just lets do it the way the game is and keep working together to create a master peice that has failed on other teams btw i would like to say thanks to all the help everyone who has has given and i think this is great

[Demarest]

...Subforum issue is still a grey area for me at this time.

 

If you really want GTA3 in Vice City's engine you would put up with this thread.

You make a good point there. I for one have come home each night from work and even though I didn't have the time to tinker with it, I would DL the updates as not to fall behind. The thread moves fast, but it doesn't go away. It's all right there. And as Mark said, if it's what you want, you have to be willing to put some effort into it. Rest assured that ALL OF US are going to do whatever we can to make it as easy as possible (how many times already has there been a release and I immediately made an autoinstall script for it?).

 

For those who agree that a sub-forum is a grey area, I would like to direct your attention to the Myriad forums. Yes it has gotten a LITTLE out of hand, but it is much larger than us with a much larger following. Here is my vision as it currently exists (pending our own sub-forum): First things first, move this thread into there. After that, I will make a pinned topic explaining our goal and what our aim is. It can contain a little history, etc. Secondly, a pinned topic addressing all rumors concerning WO, mods, etc. Thirdly, a pinned thread ONLY for releases. I'm guessing that if we get our own sub-forum that I will be given administrative rights in there and I will stay on the pinned topics to make sure they don't get spammed up. They say I do a good job in the GTA3 forums, but I would be more in it here because we've already seen how inflated it can get when unchecked. After that, anybody could create threads about specific issues like the escalators, etc. I could start a thread for each thing being worked on. I leave that up to everybody else, but the 3 pinned topics would be very useful.

 

I also wanted to express that I'm with you guys. When I'm modding, coding, just driving around, I keep thinking of cool enhancements we could add. And anybody can do that with their own copy. For the official release, I want to keep it authentic GTA3. From there, we can all mod whatever we want