The thread that started it all

[killer.ip]

Most of the hard work in converting the 32bit textures has been done. Aztlan's not only going to be finishing off the process, but he'll be adding a measure of quality control. As he said earlier, this area is one of his specialities.

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and the fix as it is, is already making a massive impact in terms of playability.

 

@Dem - On the GXT front, I'm afraid I'm all GXT'd out (if that makes sense). Spending 2 months getting my VC GXT into a happy shape kinda blew my mind, but I'll be happy to provide an update to the LC Radio thing we were discussing earlier. The plan for me is to get the order of the stations right. The thought struck me that it might be a bit strange driving around, and the station you expect to be next isn't. Easy to do, today or tomorrow sort of thing. Just make sure you use CyQ's editor, v1.2 is bug free.

 

The other thing I meant to ask is whether it's a good idea to start updated the info.zon file now, or should we wait till you've moved the world over? It would be a pain doing it now, then having to change it once the world's moved... I can see it now 'Oh, you moved my world!'. Erm, okay...

 

@Lix - You're not wrong there, great work Knux.

Edited December 23, 2003 by killer.ip

[Aztlan]

thanks Demarest

right now i am getting the files from killer.ip

once i finish i will ask the borg (friend of mine, is the administrator of theborggaming.com)

to host the file

because the file is going to be big like 14mb (the ones killer.ip is sending me right now) + the ones i am going to convert

Edited December 23, 2003 by Aztlan

[Demarest]

Althought it hasn't been discussed enough, I thought the general concensus was that moving the city isn't justifiable with what few fixes we would gather from it. Modifying the city boundaries would be more productive, but we can't be sure it's possible. Difficult situation there.

 

Don't worry though; already have CyQ's editor. Even things in GTA I don't regularly mod, I make sure to grab the tools for

 

I've already tried messing with the ZON files. I tried copying GTA3's over directly. Didn't seem to do anything or add the loading back in. Skidz's post about what RDTG did makes me think it may be defined in the EXE. If so, I hope soembody changes it back.

[Knaxia]

I just converted the gta3.zon to navig.zon (for VC) everything is fine except for one things, I added all the info in the gxt, but as soon as I put more than 25 location names in the navig.zon, the game crashes after some seconds of gameplay :\ when there is all 31, there is weird yellow light behind the player....

 

look,

normal(25 zones info):

before crash + yellow light (all 31 zones):

 

anyone got a way to change that??

Edited December 23, 2003 by Knux

[killer.ip]

@Dem - not a prob, we have to work with what we've got.

 

@Knux - 25 place names is a good start, but I can't think of an answer to the problem off the top of my head. Good Luck.

 

[Demarest]

To Knux and anybody else considering GXT conversions/modifications: PLEASE be kind and document EXACTLY what entries you're changing and what you're changing them to. This is going to be very necessary as the code progresses!

[Knaxia]

I jsut added 2 pics to show what's happening.

 

@ Demarest: I will do one when everything will be working.

Edited December 23, 2003 by Knux

[TheAnswer]

bug:

[MajorOutage]

 

 

I've already converted my radio stations in order...I'll edit in a full list in a minute.

 

EDIT. Bah...I lost my list of the original filenames, but they're not too hard to figure out.

 

ID# - GTA3 NAME ------- VICE CITY NAME - VC FILENAME *.adf

 

FM0 - HEAD RADIO ------ WILDSTYLE ------ WILD

FM1 - DOUBLE CLEFF FM - FLASH FM ------- FLASH

FM2 - JAH RADIO ------- KCHAT ---------- KCHAT

FM3 - RISE FM --------- FEVER 105 ------ FEVER

FM4 - LIPS 106 -------- VROCK ---------- VROCK

FM5 - GAME FM --------- VCPR ----------- VCPR

FM6 - MSX FM ---------- ESPANTOSO ------ ESPANT

FM7 - FLASHBACK 95.6 -- EMOTION 98.3 --- EMOTION

FM8 - CHATTERBOX 109 -- WAVE 103 ------- WAVE

Edited December 23, 2003 by [4D]Outback

[Aztlan]

@TheAnswer

i dont think thats a bug

is just missing the helicopters that are usually parked there

remember gta3

i havent visited the airport that much so i dont know if i am correct

[killer.ip]

Thanks for the list there Outback, just tidied up a little and with the GXT entries:

 

 

Old           NewFilename      Filename    head.adf   -> wild.adf     flash.adf  -> class.adf    kjah.adf   -> kchat.adf    rise.adf   -> fever.adf    lips.adf   -> vrock.adf    game.adf   -> vcpr.adf     msx.adf    -> espant.adf  flash.adf  -> emotion.adf  chat.adf   -> wave.adf Old Name     New Name            GXT EntryWildstyle -> Head Radio       -> FEA_FM0Flash     -> Double Cleff FM  -> FEA_FM1K-Chat    -> Jah Radio        -> FEA_FM2Fever 105 -> Rise FM          -> FEA_FM3VRock     -> Lips 106         -> FEA_FM4VCPR      -> Game FM          -> FEA_FM5Espantoso -> MSX FM           -> FEA_FM6Emotion   -> Flashback 95.6   -> FEA_FM7Wave 103  -> Chatterbox 109   -> FEA_FM8

 

 

This is the format we'll be supporting in the release GXT's, also included will be instructions on how to rip the files for those who didn't see the earlier post.

 

Thanks man, and thanks Aztlan for the original rip method.

 

[EDIT] Got those extension on, should make it a little clearer.

Edited December 24, 2003 by killer.ip

[Knaxia]

you know what I was talking about the navig.zon and the yellow light?

 

with 25 zones in it, we get some reallly weird colors things to happens!

 

in this video (5MB Divx 5.0.3), just look at the sky, nothing else, the attraction is here (sky and clouds) other stranges things like that will be in screenshots:

 

VIDEO HERE

Edited December 24, 2003 by Knux

[Run Down That Guy]

Oh, and I discoverd the sky thing .

[Demarest]

@TheAnswer: The "bug" you're experiencing is going to be specific to your machine and/or your files. As you can see, there is nothing wrong

I see two possible problems. 1) Your IMG file is messed up. Open up gta3.img in IMG Tool 1.3 and tell it to Rebuild Archive. Also double check to make sure helirock.dff, helipolice.dff, and heliradio.dff are still in there. 2) When you went to do the airport fix, you commented out the wrong lines. Check data/gta3maps/landsw/landsw.ipl Assuming you have the fixed COL file off my site, you will only need to have one line commented out here.

 

Thanks to those who took the initiative to create an official GTA:LC radio conversion list

[Aztlan]

quick question am i the only one experiencing problems with PineCreek-Skidz's Cull update

everytime i install it my game starts

then i see a light yellow/orange color on everything and then the game crashes

i know thats the culprit because i have tested it

the gta3.img is rebuild

 

Edit:

Demarest i now see what blaer was talking about i was running trying to steat a moving taxi and this is what happen

i think is best to move the spawn vehicle thing to another key

look at my beautiful line

rofl

EDIT: Weird. it happens randomly, now sometimes when i run it doesnt happen. one needs to be carefull

well now i know how to prevent the spwan thing

Edited December 24, 2003 by Aztlan

[killer.ip]

 

...with 25 zones in it, we get some reallly weird colors things to happens!

I like it man, looks kinda mellow, psychedelic sunset that goes on through the night... could be a mod in it's own right.

 

@Aztlan - soz man, no probs here. Could be an interaction it's having with something else, no idea what though.

 

 

[Aztlan]

@ Knux

i like it. is like a new mod or something

 

@ Demarest i saw your picture of the helicopter. on my machine i have the heli's but no shadow

 

@ Killer.ip

i have no idea what is causing it on my machine

ok i will try again and see with a fresh install

 

also can some one point me the overhead rail fix

because i see sky through them

i tried looking in the thread but no luck

 

ok i tried with a good install and same thing happens

i dont have the car mods installed.gta3.img is rebuild

this is when the file is not installed

 

this is how it looks with the file install. soon after that it crashes

 

Edited December 24, 2003 by Aztlan

[Demarest]

 

@ Knux

i like it. is like a new mod or something

 

@ Demarest i saw your picture of the helicopter. on my machine  i have the heli's but no shadow

 

@ Killer.ip

i have no idea what is causing it on my machine

ok i will try again and see with a fresh install

 

also can some one point me the overhead rail fix

because i see sky through them

i tried looking in the thread but no luck

That's because the airport fix was originally listed as commenting out 3 lines in landsw.ipl Krutchkov later discovered that with my COL fix, only one line was required to be commented out. Maybe those shadows are one of the ones that USED to be needed to be gone, but not anymore. I try real hard to keep my version of GTA:LC as current as possible.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Demarest

[Aztlan]

@ Knux

i like it. is like a new mod or something

 

@ Demarest i saw your picture of the helicopter. on my machine  i have the heli's but no shadow

 

@ Killer.ip

i have no idea what is causing it on my machine

ok i will try again and see with a fresh install

 

also can some one point me the overhead rail fix

because i see sky through them

i tried looking in the thread but no luck

That's because the airport fix was originally listed as commenting out 3 lines in landsw.ipl Krutchkov later discovered that with my COL fix, only one line was required to be commented out. Maybe those shadows are one of the ones that USED to be needed to be gone, but not anymore. I try real hard to keep my version of GTA:LC as current as possible.

oh ok

now i get it

 

but i am still having the issue with what i explained above

maybe Skidz has an idea

 

 

[Demarest]

Click on the link in Knux's sig, go to Downloads, and search for rail fix.

[Aztlan]

 

Click on the link in Knux's sig, go to Downloads, and search for rail fix.

duh [insert head banging wall here]

thanks Demarest

Edited December 24, 2003 by Aztlan

[kipo]

update for the paths, cars + peds on the third island (the one with the airport), the car paths were almost completely rebuilt (big thanks to knux for the advice), no weird things now (I hope), enjoy

 

http://members.lycos.co.uk/kipo/paths.zip

[Aztlan]

excellent job Kipo

even with peds

one problem though

now the first island doesnt have any paths

[kipo]

to whoever dowloaded my paths before this reply, please download it again as I made a small fix.

 

@Aztlan: no need to worry about that, you can have both islands with paths: using the path editor, import both, and then export it and you will have a single file. You can also copy and paste, using the notepad, the paths from one file to the other.

[Aztlan]

hehe i though of that after i made the reply

geezes whats wrong with me today

anyway good work

[PineCreek-Skidz]

TheAnswer: Hey, im sorry, I kinda screwed up. I removed the helis from the airport because they were just the fakes. I just forgot to remove the shadows.

I hope real heli's can be put in thier places cause, whats the point of having fake heli's? One of the reasons we did this was to be able to use the heli's and bikes in Liberty City.

 

 

"but i am still having the issue with what i explained above

maybe Skidz has an idea"

Aztlan: You have acouple posts with some problems, are you refering to the CULL file?

 

knux: I feel your pain, I remeber this problem with the mysterious yellow light and it still illudes me.

I thought it might be some area light (Like the neon glow in some areas of vicecity at night), but thats not the problem.

[Demarest]

May I assume you're redoing it with the helis put back in? They are there in GTA3 and there are way too many together to replace them all. I've alread coded it so that the helipad there has a heli and I've been TRYING to get one to replace the one on Kenji's roof with no luck. The code for the one at the airport is actually written to erase the dummy model there and replace it. I'm surprised it doesn't crash when it goes to turn off a model that's not there.

 

Was there anything else you pulled that we need in there?

 

Until Skidz releases an updated version with the helis back in, you can just add these lines to data/gta3maps/landsw/landsw.ipl at the end before the first word end

2777, chassis_heliradio, -1323.01, -837.702, 12.1718, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 12777, chassis_heliradio, -1302.99, -850.399, 12.1718, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, -0.999048, -0.04361932777, chassis_heliradio, -1338.95, -823.806, 12.1718, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, -0.906308, -0.4226182777, chassis_heliradio, -1522.53, -937.379, 12.3479, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0.642788, 0.7660442774, heliradio, -1268.43, -841.328, 12.1666, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 12775, helirock, -1314.58, -844.606, 12.2218, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 12776, helipolice, -1553.1, -906.715, 15.749, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0.5373, 0.8433912775, helirock, -1295.58, -840.635, 12.2218, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0.173648, 0.984808

 

 

[EDIT] I ALSO just realized that the offending shadows line was also omitted with the "update". This is bad because the escalator problem is being explored and if we can fix it the right way, we should be able to just recomment the line back in to have it be more like GTA3. So also add this line

#3147, airpshadows01, -1268.43, -841.328, 12.1666, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1

I hope that's it for all of the omissions. In the future, I hope others will be willing to double check with the rest of us before just yanking things out of the game that were in GTA3.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Demarest

[killer.ip]

Hi folks, just thought I'd post the news that I've made a breakthrough in fixing the 2D problem with streetlights & vegetation:

 

 

 

If you recall, we were having difficulty with either ZMod crashing on import of the model files, or the alpha textures rendering opaque after being saved. The workaround for this is just to use models extracted from the original GTA3's IMG file, fix the single sided problem, then save them in the VC format.

 

As far as I can see, this means that it's now possible to correct every 2D surface in the game.

Edited December 24, 2003 by killer.ip

[Luke]

Isnt there an easier way, like cant you get someone to create a script to do them for you.

 

To do every texture in the game will literally take years.

[ptad1]

This mod is great, but I have a couple of requests. I would really like to see the spawn set up differently, as at the moment I seem to be accidentally spawning a chopper and a bike almost every time I get on/off my bike. If it could be set to a completely seperate key so it couldn't happen accidentally, that would be great.

 

Also, it's fun finding all the hidden packages but there needs to be a save facility so you don't lose your progress every time you leave the game.

 

Apart from those points, this mod is awesome and keeps getting better with these updates. Keep up the great work guys

Edited December 24, 2003 by ptad1