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[menace2sobriety]

 

Thank god, Evolution finally got the ever living life beat out of them. I've been waiting for this since, since they formed. If that Orton posse is actually going to be formed, it might be the best faction since D-Generation X. I hope Flair retires soon though, I hate watching his old flabby ass fly around the ring.

 

Flair is a legend, but his legacy is over, he needs to look in the mirror and see that.

Flair is the most over guy on Raw...f*ck that sh*t.

 

GREAT ending to Raw....the best in awhile....everyone did a great job putting that segment over....especially HHH and Orton.

 

@PG - I dont think it will bring wrestling to a new level or anything like that...but it'll definatly be cool to see a rival team....would be even better if the rosters werent split.

 

Which brings me to thinking about how many guys on smackdown would be SO over on Raw....If Cena came out on Raw next week the place would explode....same with Carlito and JBL in a heel sense....just makes ya think..

 

 

menace high fives

 

 

 

One of these things is not like the others

One of these things just doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the others

By the time I finish this song?

 

I hear ya man.....even Orton is not quite a Y2J or a Benoit....although he's guarenteed to be, Maven is definatly questionable

Maven need's a push, hear me out.

 

They give that f*cktard Snitsky a push, and I don't even think he's great at all. If they give a no talented guy like that a push, Maven defienatly needs one.

 

Flair ten year's ago was good, now, its just sad.

Nobody loves Snitsky.. Maven could use a little push but I dont think hes special.

 

We all love Flair though....keep him untill he wants to go, doesnt matter if you think its sad....I want whats good for the company...and people pay to see Flair....not to mention he can still outwrestle some of the people half his age.

[Mark }{]

Thank god, Evolution finally got the ever living life beat out of them. I've been waiting for this since, since they formed. If that Orton posse is actually going to be formed, it might be the best faction since D-Generation X. I hope Flair retires soon though, I hate watching his old flabby ass fly around the ring.

 

Flair is a legend, but his legacy is over, he needs to look in the mirror and see that.

Flair is the most over guy on Raw...f*ck that sh*t.

 

GREAT ending to Raw....the best in awhile....everyone did a great job putting that segment over....especially HHH and Orton.

 

@PG - I dont think it will bring wrestling to a new level or anything like that...but it'll definatly be cool to see a rival team....would be even better if the rosters werent split.

 

Which brings me to thinking about how many guys on smackdown would be SO over on Raw....If Cena came out on Raw next week the place would explode....same with Carlito and JBL in a heel sense....just makes ya think..

 

 

menace high fives

 

 

 

One of these things is not like the others

One of these things just doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the others

By the time I finish this song?

 

I hear ya man.....even Orton is not quite a Y2J or a Benoit....although he's guarenteed to be, Maven is definatly questionable

Maven need's a push, hear me out.

 

They give that f*cktard Snitsky a push, and I don't even think he's great at all. If they give a no talented guy like that a push, Maven defienatly needs one.

 

Flair ten year's ago was good, now, its just sad.

Nobody loves Snitsky.. Maven could use a little push but I dont think hes special.

 

We all love Flair though....keep him untill he wants to go, doesnt matter if you think its sad....I want whats good for the company...and people pay to see Flair....not to mention he can still outwrestle some of the people half his age.

If Snitsky gets a push, I should be able to walk into WWE headquarters and get a push.

 

 

To me Flair isn't anything special anymore, he used to be a great wrestler, but now he's just kissing someone's ass and letting the WWE put him in second place behind Trips'.

 

Another thing, Kane needs to f-in quit right now. They've destroyed his character, and burried it. Now they're jobbing him out to Snitsky, and never giving him what he deserves. If he's not World champ material, send him to SD! and give him the WWE title. He's got talent, and the second they ripped that mask off he became soft. Please Kane, shove your contract up WWE's ass and quit, they don't deserve you anymore.

 

 

[menace2sobriety]

 

Thank god, Evolution finally got the ever living life beat out of them. I've been waiting for this since, since they formed. If that Orton posse is actually going to be formed, it might be the best faction since D-Generation X. I hope Flair retires soon though, I hate watching his old flabby ass fly around the ring.

 

Flair is a legend, but his legacy is over, he needs to look in the mirror and see that.

Flair is the most over guy on Raw...f*ck that sh*t.

 

GREAT ending to Raw....the best in awhile....everyone did a great job putting that segment over....especially HHH and Orton.

 

@PG - I dont think it will bring wrestling to a new level or anything like that...but it'll definatly be cool to see a rival team....would be even better if the rosters werent split.

 

Which brings me to thinking about how many guys on smackdown would be SO over on Raw....If Cena came out on Raw next week the place would explode....same with Carlito and JBL in a heel sense....just makes ya think..

 

 

menace high fives

 

 

 

One of these things is not like the others

One of these things just doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the others

By the time I finish this song?

 

I hear ya man.....even Orton is not quite a Y2J or a Benoit....although he's guarenteed to be, Maven is definatly questionable

Maven need's a push, hear me out.

 

They give that f*cktard Snitsky a push, and I don't even think he's great at all. If they give a no talented guy like that a push, Maven defienatly needs one.

 

Flair ten year's ago was good, now, its just sad.

Nobody loves Snitsky.. Maven could use a little push but I dont think hes special.

 

We all love Flair though....keep him untill he wants to go, doesnt matter if you think its sad....I want whats good for the company...and people pay to see Flair....not to mention he can still outwrestle some of the people half his age.

If Snitsky gets a push, I should be able to walk into WWE headquarters and get a push.

 

 

To me Flair isn't anything special anymore, he used to be a great wrestler, but now he's just kissing someone's ass and letting the WWE put him in second place behind Trips'.

 

Another thing, Kane needs to f-in quit right now. They've destroyed his character, and burried it. Now they're jobbing him out to Snitsky, and never giving him what he deserves. If he's not World champ material, send him to SD! and give him the WWE title. He's got talent, and the second they ripped that mask off he became soft. Please Kane, shove your contract up WWE's ass and quit, they don't deserve you anymore.

Snitsky is worthless.

 

Flair and HHH, well, thats a storyline.. and quite a good one to me. You may not like him but for some odd reason everyone in the crowd loves him, week after week....he can even bash my all time favorite wrestler, it doesnt deny what hes done for the buisness and how over he still is.

 

And Kane?? Kane?? C'mon...I dont mind the guy but id be upset if he just got to go to smackdown and take the title.....he's never been a very good wrestler...and is the most streaky guy ive seen when it comes to being over....he doesnt have much left to offer if you ask me....im against anyone jobbing to Gene Snitsky, but I could really give a crap....Kane is too one dimensional...unless he brings something else to the table I dont see why they should worry about losing him. He doesnt seem to match styles with anyone in the ring anymore.

 

Gene Snitsky though, we can come to a consensus....he has got to go..

 

"IT'LL BE ALLLLLL MY FAAAUUULLTTTT GGROOGGLGLEAAHAHGGH!!"

[Mark }{]

Thank god, Evolution finally got the ever living life beat out of them. I've been waiting for this since, since they formed. If that Orton posse is actually going to be formed, it might be the best faction since D-Generation X. I hope Flair retires soon though, I hate watching his old flabby ass fly around the ring.

 

Flair is a legend, but his legacy is over, he needs to look in the mirror and see that.

Flair is the most over guy on Raw...f*ck that sh*t.

 

GREAT ending to Raw....the best in awhile....everyone did a great job putting that segment over....especially HHH and Orton.

 

@PG - I dont think it will bring wrestling to a new level or anything like that...but it'll definatly be cool to see a rival team....would be even better if the rosters werent split.

 

Which brings me to thinking about how many guys on smackdown would be SO over on Raw....If Cena came out on Raw next week the place would explode....same with Carlito and JBL in a heel sense....just makes ya think..

 

 

menace high fives

 

 

 

One of these things is not like the others

One of these things just doesn't belong.

Can you guess which one is not like the others

By the time I finish this song?

 

I hear ya man.....even Orton is not quite a Y2J or a Benoit....although he's guarenteed to be, Maven is definatly questionable

Maven need's a push, hear me out.

 

They give that f*cktard Snitsky a push, and I don't even think he's great at all. If they give a no talented guy like that a push, Maven defienatly needs one.

 

Flair ten year's ago was good, now, its just sad.

Nobody loves Snitsky.. Maven could use a little push but I dont think hes special.

 

We all love Flair though....keep him untill he wants to go, doesnt matter if you think its sad....I want whats good for the company...and people pay to see Flair....not to mention he can still outwrestle some of the people half his age.

If Snitsky gets a push, I should be able to walk into WWE headquarters and get a push.

 

 

To me Flair isn't anything special anymore, he used to be a great wrestler, but now he's just kissing someone's ass and letting the WWE put him in second place behind Trips'.

 

Another thing, Kane needs to f-in quit right now. They've destroyed his character, and burried it. Now they're jobbing him out to Snitsky, and never giving him what he deserves. If he's not World champ material, send him to SD! and give him the WWE title. He's got talent, and the second they ripped that mask off he became soft. Please Kane, shove your contract up WWE's ass and quit, they don't deserve you anymore.

Snitsky is worthless.

 

Flair and HHH, well, thats a storyline.. and quite a good one to me. You may not like him but for some odd reason everyone in the crowd loves him, week after week....he can even bash my all time favorite wrestler, it doesnt deny what hes done for the buisness and how over he still is.

 

And Kane?? Kane?? C'mon...I dont mind the guy but id be upset if he just got to go to smackdown and take the title.....he's never been a very good wrestler...and is the most streaky guy ive seen when it comes to being over....he doesnt have much left to offer if you ask me....im against anyone jobbing to Gene Snitsky, but I could really give a crap....Kane is too one dimensional...unless he brings something else to the table I dont see why they should worry about losing him. He doesnt seem to match styles with anyone in the ring anymore.

 

Gene Snitsky though, we can come to a consensus....he has got to go..

 

"IT'LL BE ALLLLLL MY FAAAUUULLTTTT GGROOGGLGLEAAHAHGGH!!"

He won't match styles anymore because he's on Raw, and no one is his size. Big Show, Taker, JBL, would all make better opponents for him then Matt Hardy and sh*tsky.

 

 

Flair and HHH are not made to be in a faction. One should be face, the other one will always be heel. Its wierd when they cheer for Flair, then Trips' gets tagged in and gets booed. IMO, Flair should be on his own, not kissing H's ass every night.

 

 

[menace2sobriety]

 

Flair and HHH are not made to be in a faction. One should be face, the other one will always be heel. Its wierd when they cheer for Flair, then Trips' gets tagged in and gets booed. IMO, Flair should be on his own, not kissing H's ass every night.

 

 

I think they are great together, and I thought you didnt want to see Flair on tv in general??

 

HHH gets cheered and boo'd....he is mega over just like Flair....Flair just has the legendary status so he usually only gets the cheers....Flair was just like HHH when he was his age....he got cheered and boo'd each time, but regardless....people pay to see both of them.

 

Once again, him kissing ass is a storyline....we cant really do anything about that....but im fine with it. It works.

 

Snitsky = Die.

[Kevin_79]

Flair is still awesome. He may not have the most stamina, in fact, he has the least, but his charisma makes up for everything. I don't think he's ever cut one bad promo in his life, because somehow, he can get the crowd on him all the time. He's got a gift and he just gets so into character, I love Flair.

 

 

Every faction needs a mid to low card guy to go for the IC Title guys. That's why they have Maven. It's already a dominant faction as it is, and I'm really psyched that Jericho is involved in it. I really can't wait to see these guys in action as a stable.

[Phatgordo13]

Flair and HHH are not made to be in a faction. One should be face, the other one will always be heel. Its wierd when they cheer for Flair, then Trips' gets tagged in and gets booed. IMO, Flair should be on his own, not kissing H's ass every night.

 

 

I think they are great together, and I thought you didnt want to see Flair on tv in general??

 

HHH gets cheered and boo'd....he is mega over just like Flair....Flair just has the legendary status so he usually only gets the cheers....Flair was just like HHH when he was his age....he got cheered and boo'd each time, but regardless....people pay to see both of them.

 

Once again, him kissing ass is a storyline....we cant really do anything about that....but im fine with it. It works.

 

Snitsky = Die.

HHH is definitly over. His best is when he's heel, but if you remember when HHH went out with the quad injury when he was heel. 8 months later HHH came back to prolly the biggest return or anything like that Ive ever seen. HHH could easily be a dominent face but he's too important as heel.

 

I had a chat with Kevin last night how Evolution rivals the Four Horsemen as far as great stables go.

 

Every arena WWE goes to....people BOW to Flair. BOW. How many wrestlers get that? How many people get that in the business. Vince? Yah ok....Flair is as big as the business. He is prolly the best on the mic Ive ever seen. He's just great. As all around theres no doubt you can argue he is the greatest of all time. Flair stays as long as he wants. Agreed.

 

 

 

oh....

 

 

Stables

[leper73]

If we got anything positive out of Snitsky, it's a new term in wrestling vocabulary. Whenever an angle is suddenly killed, we can say it was "Snitskyed". As in, "The Christy/Carmella feud needs to be Snitskyed," or "I'm glad they finally Snitskyed the Booker/Cena US Title feud," or "It looks like Booker's latest heel run is about to be Snitskyed." I just hope they Snitsky Gene's push ASAFP, tho.

[menace2sobriety]

 

Every arena WWE goes to....people BOW to Flair. BOW. How many wrestlers get that? How many people get that in the business. Vince? Yah ok....Flair is as big as the business. He is prolly the best on the mic Ive ever seen. He's just great. As all around theres no doubt you can argue he is the greatest of all time. Flair stays as long as he wants. Agreed.

 

Flair gets outbowed by Hogan.....thats probably the only person, but its overwhelming....Hogan reaching a level of Superstardom that even Flair cant even imagine. They both deserve it though....If Bret comes back, he will get those bows....as will Michaels when he actually stops wrestling

 

 

If we got anything positive out of Snitsky, it's a new term in wrestling vocabulary. Whenever an angle is suddenly killed, we can say it was "Snitskyed". As in, "The Christy/Carmella feud needs to be Snitskyed," or "I'm glad they finally Snitskyed the Booker/Cena US Title feud," or "It looks like Booker's latest heel run is about to be Snitskyed." I just hope they Snitsky Gene's push ASAFP, tho.

 

Amen.

[mateo83]

Do you guys feel change is under way or at least on its way?..I mean after what Shawn Michaels said in his speech the other night and with the show ending with the lockerroom beating down Evelotion....it seems that something is happening....On another note...have any of yall got San Andreas yet.I got the game......

[menace2sobriety]

Do you guys feel change is under way or at least on its way?..I mean after what Shawn Michaels said in his speech the other night and with the show ending with the lockerroom beating down Evelotion....it seems that something is happening....On another note...have any of yall got San Andreas yet.I got the game......

Ive been playing like an animal..

 

And about the change....they said that about 'ruthless agression' and also after that 'draft' if they even want to call it that....but I think they may have something up there sleeves.

 

They always find a way to break out into the spotlight again....just takes time.

[mateo83]

Do you guys feel change is under way or at least on its way?..I mean after what Shawn Michaels said in his speech the other night and with the show ending with the lockerroom beating down Evelotion....it seems that something is happening....On another note...have any of yall got San Andreas yet.I got the game......

Ive been playing like an animal..

 

And about the change....they said that about 'ruthless agression' and also after that 'draft' if they even want to call it that....but I think they may have something up there sleeves.

 

They always find a way to break out into the spotlight again....just takes time.

Like an animal....hahaha...well the game is great ....the UWT seems to have gotten slower since the game came out......Im sure it will pick up tonight as we all have to turn off our ps2's in order to watch tv...

[menace2sobriety]

Do you guys feel change is under way or at least on its way?..I mean after what Shawn Michaels said in his speech the other night and with the show ending with the lockerroom beating down Evelotion....it seems that something is happening....On another note...have any of yall got San Andreas yet.I got the game......

Ive been playing like an animal..

 

And about the change....they said that about 'ruthless agression' and also after that 'draft' if they even want to call it that....but I think they may have something up there sleeves.

 

They always find a way to break out into the spotlight again....just takes time.

Like an animal....hahaha...well the game is great ....the UWT seems to have gotten slower since the game came out......Im sure it will pick up tonight as we all have to turn off our ps2's in order to watch tv...

Oh yeah, Smackdown.

 

Definatly a SA break for a couple hrs at 4 pacific.

 

You guys should be proud of me, I didnt read the spoilers this week

 

Hopefully it doesnt dissapoint or i'll be reading them forever.

[mateo83]

Congrats on not reading the spoilers......you should make that a habit........get back the feeling of not knowing.....

[leper73]

Another problem with reading the spoilers along with, well, spoiling it for TV is, not all of it appears on TV. Some stuff doesn't make the final cut and has no significance to the show whatsoever. If I can't watch Smackdown, I wait for the report after the show so I get the best picture of what I missed and what to expect.

[mateo83]

So far.....the tough enough segmant was fuccin sicc.......Im sure they got basics taught to them as far as how to tuck your chin when gettin slammed...but damn...Show is dope....so far....im only 17 minutes into Smackdown.

[leper73]

Check out RD's Ramblings on Wrestlecrap, he has a hilarious article on Bob Backlund's presidential run, as well as an "endorsement". I might even take that banner for my sig.

[mateo83]

Check out RD's Ramblings on Wrestlecrap, he has a hilarious article on Bob Backlund's presidential run, as well as an "endorsement". I might even take that banner for my sig.

You know Lep,this weeks inductions are pretty short..theres like 3 and within 15 minutes i can read all 3..oh well..still good....

 

In other news...more on that Jamie Noble infection......

 

 

More details are coming out on the firing of Jamie Knoble. It is said that the infection that he was treated for was from a steroid infection and therefore the WWE had to let him go. Since this was on the record, the WWE pretty much had no other options because it has a policy against steroid use among it's workers.

[menace2sobriety]

 

Check out RD's Ramblings on Wrestlecrap, he has a hilarious article on Bob Backlund's presidential run, as well as an "endorsement". I might even take that banner for my sig.

You know Lep,this weeks inductions are pretty short..theres like 3 and within 15 minutes i can read all 3..oh well..still good....

 

In other news...more on that Jamie Noble infection......

 

 

More details are coming out on the firing of Jamie Knoble. It is said that the infection that he was treated for was from a steroid infection and therefore the WWE had to let him go. Since this was on the record, the WWE pretty much had no other options because it has a policy against steroid use among it's workers.

That quote should shut up all the braindead wrestling haters that say "omg liek they are all on steriods, stupid roid monkeys should be arrested liek"

 

They do not let roid monkeys in, and probably never will again, Vince learned after that one huge lawsuit....Vince is a very smart guy.

 

 

Did you guys see that f*cking Bum(tough enough guy) trying to put down Lesnar?? And actually saying that he is "the real vanilla gorilla"

 

BAHAHAHAHAH... That guy couldnt tie Brock's shoes....he might as well be a little goldyberg/batista clone with the anti-skills... bah... trying to compare himself to Lesnar..

 

Btw for anyone whom didnt know, that was Brocks backstage sorta 'real life' nickname...Vanilla Gorilla.

 

 

That segment was cool though, Show rules....he should have said to that guy "Well Brock Lesnar is the only guy thats ever picked me up legitimatly, and he did it with ease.....Lets see if you can too??"

 

"Silverback" would probably sh*t out his internal organs.

[leper73]

Even when Vince was indicted by the government, they couldn't prove anything. Hogan initially was going to testify against him, but changed his mind and to this day says he's innocent. And remember, right around then they also fired the Warlord and Sid for testing positive for steroids (actually I heard Sid was caught trying to steal other people's urine to submit).

[mateo83]

Its gonna be interesting to see where Noble pops up next....Im curious to know if the indies will look down on him and blackball him or if some dont care and just wanna book a big name.........i'll see wassup with that as it go's down...

[menace2sobriety]

Its gonna be interesting to see where Noble pops up next....Im curious to know if the indies will look down on him and blackball him or if some dont care and just wanna book a big name.........i'll see wassup with that as it go's down...

Dude, you know that the indy's will take anyone..

[mateo83]

Yah thats true but some are a lil more reputable than others.....So some might not want that on their reputation......

[Phatgordo13]

Yah thats true but some are a lil more reputable than others.....So some might not want that on their reputation......

True, you get those old timer scenes, the guys who are the most hardcore about the business. Noble will still end up some where good. Noble could pop back up in the WWE in the future.

[menace2sobriety]

Yah thats true but some are a lil more reputable than others.....So some might not want that on their reputation......

For all the time ive known about the Indy's I cant recall any not accepting a decent name due to any problems....Indy's are indy because they got no money, getting a decent name is like the holy grail for them Like Scott Hall amung others.

 

Noble isnt a huge name but he's been in the big leagues for about 6 or 7 years, im sure arms will be open.

[mateo83]

Aiight...RAW is starting...i'll holla when its over....

[leper73]

A-Train, Billy Gunn and Test...GONE. The first two I can understand, with a career-threatening injury (rotator cuff) and drug problems, but Test was a good worker, really good on the mic, and told some nice stories, even making Scott Steiner bearable.

 

Cool, theyre back to the 4-man format this year instead of 5. But why the f*ck is Snitsky on Evo's team and Flair isn't? *sings* One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...

 

Booker's a full face now, but he was awesome as a heel. Besides the ability to be absolutely hilarious, he could put on excellent matches with any of Smackdown's top faces. Meanwhile, Kane is set to return around Royal Rumble as a face (there's another January ppv called New Year's Resolutions, so I'm relieved to find out they didn't Snitsky the Rumble). I figured out why Kane has slipped: he's just another generic bald big guy, and right before he unmasked, he was sort of that in-between look, similar to Taker's Walker Texas Ranger thing (in a sense that it's in between old school and a new look). Give us old school Kane. Some pictures to remind us all of how awesome he looked:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They had to bring back Viscera tonight. Why couldn't it have been Gangrel? He could potentially tear it up on Raw.

 

...Shades of Bischoff turning face?

Edited November 2, 2004 by leper73

[menace2sobriety]

Worst Raw in a long while, watched it none the less

 

Face Bischoff, definatly looking interesting....Easy E rules, ive always liked him....at times he's better on the stick than Rocky and Austin combine...very consistant onscreen character.....they hired his scumbag ass for a reason....cuz he kicks.

[mateo83]

I thought it was one of the best RAWs in a while........they went the regular route with obvious angles but they all had a twist at the end...I liked that....

 

 

You guys are gonna trip on this....You all know Test got fired and he did undergo neck surgery......but you will not believe what he looks like now....an article said he looks a little skinier....naaaaaa yall.....way,way,way skinny....its almost depressing looking at this pic ......

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2004 by mateo83

[Kevin_79]

It's really a shame that he was fired, he's a great wrestler and he's definitely one of those future world champions in like 2008 material. Oh well...

 

Anyways, Smackdown vs RAW came out today. It's gotten some pretty mixed reviews, all say it's worse than HCTP, but they still say that wrestling fans should definitely check it out with the new creation aspects and such. I'll end up buying it of course, but not for another week or so.