Dualsense and vibration in GTAV Enhanced PC.

[Whippin]

Hey guys.

 

I come to report a problem with very strong vibration on DualSense to know if I am the only one or if there is a solution because I can't find it. I do not know who is responsible but it is very annoying especially in prolonged experiences, also using common logic, an intensity in vibration translates into shorter battery life in long gaming sessions. I would like to know how many of you here are using it or have tried it and consequently, if you have not noticed a huge and annoying vibration, this very disproportionate and I will provide a video to note what I say, comparing it with GTAV E&E on PS5. So, we are talking about a problem that may affect your relationship and comfort directly with the game.

 

(Sorry for the vertical but I recorded it with my cell phone as I could).

 

Video details: 

 

DualSense with blue led: Michael on PC E&E while I open the weapon dial and switch between them (A noticeable disproportionate strength in the controller vibration).

DualSense with green led: Franklin on PS5 E&E while I open the weapon dial and switch between them (An imperceptible, common and natural strength and intensity in the vibration of the controller).

 

More data of interest:

 

Spoiler

 

DualSense wireless connected via Bluetooth 4.0 with updated firmware, model or revision B.

I also tested model A or revision A, with the same results.

 

 

I use GTAV E&E on Steam without Big Picture mode by disabling Imput or enabling the PS5 one so that it recognizes the DualSense buttons. I have investigated a bit but have not drawn any clear conclusions to mitigate this problem.

The controller vibration on Steam cannot be altered (at least that I know of, or I don't know where or how to do it). And in the game you can just turn the vibration on or off, that's all.

 

Please, tell me if i'm only one with this annoying problem. Imagine a 100% vibration to everything you do while playing, because that's the terrible feeling which can also easily drain the battery if you play wirelessly.

 

Special mention to see if you can throw some more info to: @June Liu

 

So for the time being I'll go back to the Xbox X Series controller.

Thank you for reading.

Edited March 24 by Whippin

[zanesix]

The Dualsense support is very half-assed on PC. The special vibration tech isn't utilized at all on PC, instead it just triggers the basic motor as if it was a 360 gamepad, and even the trigger feedback isn't as strong as it is on PS5. There's no fix, this is just how it was designed unfortunately.

[Whippin]

7 hours ago, zanesix said:

The Dualsense support is very half-assed on PC. The special vibration tech isn't utilized at all on PC, instead it just triggers the basic motor as if it was a 360 gamepad, and even the trigger feedback isn't as strong as it is on PS5. There's no fix, this is just how it was designed unfortunately.

 

I wouldn't mind having a standard vibration, like the XB or DS4... the problem is that (I do not know in other games) as seen in the video, this is totally disproportionate and is not comfortable to play.

[cant remember]

Is it the case aswell when the controller is connected directly through USB?

In The Last of Us for example (only game I've played on PC that supported DualSense) you have to use the USB connection directly to get all the DualSense features like on the PS5, and only the basic features (Xbox style rumble) work through bluetooth. At least in that game, maybe it's the same with GTA5 who knows.

[Whippin]

18 minutes ago, cant remember said:

Is it the case aswell when the controller is connected directly through USB?

In The Last of Us for example (only game I've played on PC that supported DualSense) you have to use the USB connection directly to get all the DualSense features like on the PS5, and only the basic features (Xbox style rumble) work through bluetooth. At least in that game, maybe it's the same with GTA5 who knows.

 

Yeah, it's one of those things I've been meaning to try, but at this point I want to play wirelessly above all else. Also all the other things like adaptive triggers work, wirelessly.

Strangely enough, I don't own USB-C to USB. My phone is old and still uses Lighting (iPhone) nor does my PC have USB-C input.

 

Would be nice if someone could share their experiences with DualSense on PC with GTA E&E.

Edited March 24 by Whippin

[Spider-Vice]

5 hours ago, cant remember said:

Is it the case aswell when the controller is connected directly through USB?

In The Last of Us for example (only game I've played on PC that supported DualSense) you have to use the USB connection directly to get all the DualSense features like on the PS5, and only the basic features (Xbox style rumble) work through bluetooth. At least in that game, maybe it's the same with GTA5 who knows.

This, I think all games with Dualsense support recommend you connect directly through USB to have access to all features, not supported via Bluetooth not due to a dev limitation but yes due to a Sony driver limitation for whatever reason. Dualsense support on PC is spotty across all games due to Sony moreso than the games' developers.

 

Also make sure you're not using Steam Input because this makes it so Steam, rather than the game, manages your inputs - right click your game on your Library, Properties, Controller. This also fixes PS button prompts not showing properly in GTA V and other games.

 

 

All of this stuff is a problem even in the Sony PC ports, their Windows driver just sucks.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2215430/discussions/0/7093810350794530564/

[Whippin]

3 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

This, I think all games with Dualsense support recommend you connect directly through USB to have access to all features, not supported via Bluetooth not due to a dev limitation but yes due to a Sony driver limitation for whatever reason. Dualsense support on PC is spotty across all games due to Sony moreso than the games' developers.

 

Also make sure you're not using Steam Input because this makes it so Steam, rather than the game, manages your inputs - right click your game on your Library, Properties, Controller. This also fixes PS button prompts not showing properly in GTA V and other games.

 

 

All of this stuff is a problem even in the Sony PC ports, their Windows driver just sucks.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2215430/discussions/0/7093810350794530564/

 

Thank you for your contribution, Spider.

 

I have never heard or read anything about it but it is good to know, it does not surprise me at all and it seems that now Windows natively detects the DualSense not as happened with the DS4. My complaint is more focused on the vibration that is very very very very strong and disproportionate, the rest of features well. I have read more people on Reddit complaining about a very powerful vibration that becomes annoying and it is true that I have not tested in more games where they have native support. A friend of mine plays No Mans Sky on PC with Dualsense wireless and never had a complaint. I should try USB cable although I don't have much faith in Sony either, to be honest.

 

PS: And yes, the first thing I did was to disable Steam Imput (I could have sworn I was notified the first time). I did all possible combinations and the vibration was still terrible.

Edited March 24 by Whippin

[Spider-Vice]

Try it with the USB cable and tell us how that feels if you can, because a lot of features don't work properly on PC via Bluetooth unfortunately.

[Whippin]

7 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Try it with the USB cable and tell us how that feels if you can, because a lot of features don't work properly on PC via Bluetooth unfortunately.

 

I will do it as soon as I can and leave my feelings. The vibration can be seen in the video that is as if it were at 100% while in PS5 goes to 50% or less. I'm not exaggerating when I say that if I played longer, I would notice tingling in my hands.

[June Liu]

20 hours ago, Whippin said:

I will provide a video to note what I say, comparing it with GTAV E&E on PS5

 

I ran your test with the controller resting on the desk and the noise (intensity) is similar to your DualSense on PC E&E.
Since the Edge allows adjusting the rumble I tested switching between Off (to confirm it works), Weak, Medium and Strong but the intensity stayed the same oddly. This is just a feeling though, as I don’t have other games with DualSense support to confirm.

It’s also interesting to note that the PS App seems to set it to Strong by default, as shown below. Since E&E only has a simple On/Off toggle the issue might be with the app.

 

 

I’d say follow Spider’s advice to shortlist any potential conflicts with SteamInput.
R* also got back to me about the missing Adaptive Trigger setting by the way. I updated my post here: https://gtaforums.com/topic/1000920-about-dualsense-on-pc-with-gtao/#findComment-1072519541

[Whippin]

24 minutes ago, June Liu said:

 

I ran your test with the controller resting on the desk and the noise (intensity) is similar to your DualSense on PC E&E.
Since the Edge allows adjusting the rumble I tested switching between Off (to confirm it works), Weak, Medium and Strong but the intensity stayed the same oddly. This is just a feeling though, as I don’t have other games with DualSense support to confirm.

It’s also interesting to note that the PS App seems to set it to Strong by default, as shown below. Since E&E only has a simple On/Off toggle the issue might be with the app.

 

 

I’d say follow Spider’s advice to shortlist any potential conflicts with SteamInput.
R* also got back to me about the missing Adaptive Trigger setting by the way. I updated my post here: https://gtaforums.com/topic/1000920-about-dualsense-on-pc-with-gtao/#findComment-1072519541

 

Thanks for stopping by and using your time to reaffirm that it is apparently an app-related problem (pending confirmation when I can if connected with USB it also happens).

 

I understand that by having the DualSenge Edge you have options that others can not even appreciate at the software level, as I have not seen any of that in the PS App. I can only see the allocation, amount of battery and model/firmware. 

Regarding what you say about SteamImput, what do you mean? I swear I've done everything I can do judging by my messages, or have I missed something? I still need to try as soon as I can to use Dualsense directly via USB cable.

 

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These are my current options on Steam, I would say that I have tried almost all possible configurations.

 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Whippin

[iNSANE666]

2 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

Try it with the USB cable and tell us how that feels if you can, because a lot of features don't work properly on PC via Bluetooth unfortunately.

It's the same with USB and Bluetooth, it's just that GTA 5 Enhanced doesn't really utilize Dualsense features the best way, adaptive triggers feel really light, it lacks Haptic feedback support, it lacks speaker support for phone calls...etc...

 

BTW, the only thing the Bluetooth connection is missing compared to USB connection is Haptic feedback (not that many games offer it either way), but everything else works just fine with Bluetooth.

[Whippin]

11 hours ago, iNSANE666 said:

It's the same with USB and Bluetooth, it's just that GTA 5 Enhanced doesn't really utilize Dualsense features the best way, adaptive triggers feel really light, it lacks Haptic feedback support, it lacks speaker support for phone calls...etc...

 

BTW, the only thing the Bluetooth connection is missing compared to USB connection is Haptic feedback (not that many games offer it either way), but everything else works just fine with Bluetooth.

 

So you have used or use Dualsense on GTAV E&E via BT and you have not noticed an overdistorted vibration? You don't have this problem like my video? Thanks for giving us more information about the USB.

EDIT: Maybe it's too much to ask but... could you give more information? Like if you using Steam or RGL, controller configuration in Steam, version of your controller and firmware (you can see it with the official PS App).

Edited March 25 by Whippin

[iNSANE666]

2 hours ago, Whippin said:

 

So you have used or use Dualsense on GTAV E&E via BT and you have not noticed an overdistorted vibration? You don't have this problem like my video? Thanks for giving us more information about the USB.

EDIT: Maybe it's too much to ask but... could you give more information? Like if you using Steam or RGL, controller configuration in Steam, version of your controller and firmware (you can see it with the official PS App).

Nope, no issues with the over distorted vibration.

It's the Steam version of the game, Steam Input is disabled (so no controller configuration in Steam, and disabling Steam Input is the only way to properly have DualSense working in all games that natively support it), as for controller version and firmware, it's the latest firmware (b-0520) and latest controller revision (b)

[Whippin]

22 minutes ago, iNSANE666 said:

Nope, no issues with the over distorted vibration.

It's the Steam version of the game, Steam Input is disabled (so no controller configuration in Steam, and disabling Steam Input is the only way to properly have DualSense working in all games that natively support it), as for controller version and firmware, it's the latest firmware (b-0520) and latest controller revision (b)

 

Thank you very much for your answer. I don't understand why I have this problem, do you use USB cable? Although you mentioned that you don't notice any difference. Bluetooth version? I use 4.0 on an ASUS USB Adapter.

Edited March 25 by Whippin

[iNSANE666]

34 minutes ago, Whippin said:

 

Thank you very much for your answer. I don't understand why I have this problem, do you use USB cable? Although you mentioned that you don't notice any difference. Bluetooth version? I use 4.0 on an ASUS USB Adapter.

I used USB at first, because my quite old Bluetooth dongle was acting out sometimes when pairing controller to PC (but worked normally when connected), but I purchased some Generic 5.0 Bluetooth Dongle few days ago and it works without any issues as well, but like I've said, there is no difference between using USB Cable and Bluetooth at all in GTA.

As for your 4.0 adapter, it shouldn't cause any issues, since like I've said above, I initially had older version than that and it worked normally.

[Whippin]

I confirm.

 

 

As @iNSANE666 says and to reinforce and reaffirm what he said, there is no difference in vibration when you plug by USB cable o Bluetooth wireless. @Spider-Vice

The use of USB cable does not influence on how the vibration behaves in this game with DualSense. I would like to think that people are not believing that this vibration is something normal (like you can see in my video of #1).

 

Edited March 25 by Whippin

[Whippin]

A trusted friend of mine has tried DualSense model B (the newest revision) connected by USB cable, although it doesn't matter because it also happens with model A, and he has confirmed that it also happens to him. (He plays from RGL)

It is a generalized problem with the DualSense on GTAV E&E, in the absence of testing other "native" games such as Death Stranding or No Mans Sky. I am sorry to be so blunt but I will not believe opinions without evidence.

 

Edited March 25 by Whippin

[June Liu]

There’s not much else to say since we can only guess and feel without data. Your video showing the PS5 and PC differences side-by-side is spot on and you could raise a ticket with R* about it.
 

Edited March 25 by June Liu

[Whippin]

6 hours ago, June Liu said:

There’s not much else to say since we can only guess and feel without data. Your video showing the PS5 and PC differences side-by-side is spot on and you could raise a ticket with R* about it.
 

 

For the moment I will continue using the Xbox Series X controller (vibration works normally even with Steam imputs) and maybe I will send a ticket, but I'm not sure.

 

Personally I like it and I'm more used to Sony controllers, I was hoping that it would work normally, no matter if some features work half way but turn off the vibration is to go back to PS1. Ideally I would send a ticket, but honestly and I don't want to sound bad, the R* ticket system sucks. They will start responding to me with troubleshooting and it will be an endless stream of invalid responses until at some point I get tired of it and tell them I want to close the ticket. I recently had something similar happen to me when I tried to report a minor bug problem.

 

Thank you all for participating in the thread.

Edited March 26 by Whippin

[Whippin]

 

 

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I didn't even want the money, I even replied that I'd rather not receive it, it doesn't change anything. I wouldn't mind starting from lvl 1 if it would make them fix major E&E bugs. I would have much more illusion that somehow, the case had been raised and had been recognized or accepted the error and that nothing could be done because it is a base design in which they do not have access, but maybe SONY if have it, I do not know, lack of information.

 

That's it, nothing else to do here.

Edited March 27 by Whippin

[iNSANE666]

Rockstar Games Enhanced Edition key promo part:

We have added Dualsense controller support.

 

Rockstar Support:

GTA 5 doesn't support PlayStation controllers

 

 

But jokes aside, honestly you should totally post both the R* Support's response and screenshots of Rockstar Games clearly highlighting DualSense support being added in Enhanced Edition, and post it on Twitter/X, while mentioning both @RockstarGames and @RockstarSupport, because that is the only way to get their attention (when you call them out).

 

I am so tired of these incompetent people working in customer support services, without having the actual knowledge needed, the person from support clearly does not have knowledge about their products and that the game actually supports PlayStation controllers.

Edited March 26 by iNSANE666

[DUNK512]

16 hours ago, Whippin said:

 

 

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I didn't even want the money, I even replied that I'd rather not receive it, it doesn't change anything. I wouldn't mind starting from lvl 1 if it would make them fix major E&E bugs. I would have much more illusion that somehow, the case had been raised and had been recognized or accepted the error and that nothing could be done because it is a base design in which they do not have access, but maybe SONY if you have it, I do not know, lack of information.

 

That's it, nothing else to do here.

Lourdes.T just did this to you

 

[zanesix]

19 hours ago, Whippin said:

 

This is hilarious. I've seen some terrible customer support, but few things come close to an official channel just blatantly contradicting one of the main advertised features of the new version of the game. Safe to say I don't think this will be fixed anytime soon, good lord.

[cant remember]

At least your controller is working in GTA5. I just tried it for myself and nothing works at all GTA5 pretends nothing is plugged in.

Not super surprised because for me the DualSense only works with PCSX2 or with the Playstation Remote app, or with games published by Sony themselves like The Last of Us.

 

Kind of a shame, I wish the DualSense was more universally adopted on PC since I like its features especially the gyro aiming.

[Whippin]

3 hours ago, zanesix said:

This is hilarious. I've seen some terrible customer support, but few things come close to an official channel just blatantly contradicting one of the main advertised features of the new version of the game. Safe to say I don't think this will be fixed anytime soon, good lord.

 

Edited March 27 by Whippin

[Whippin]

 

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I forgot to put this screenshot, they were fast this time, the AI is getting more and more evolved.

 

If they would really give solutions or write down the problems we report, we wouldn't even open discussions on the internet forums most of the time, but that's all we have left, the convilation of the rest.

Edited March 27 by Whippin

[Whippin]

You are going to laugh, and I should report this because if it is a bug, I don't know if it happens in more situations or other platforms like PS5/XBX. (I read something on Reddit). You can try it for yourself.

In E&E when you do the "hits" of the workshop with KDJ & Seassanta, the vibration is nonexistent (Xbox X/S controller on PC). Apparently only in the instanced missions. With this one, we already have 3 problems with E&E.

 

Decreased and Unexpanded.

Edited March 27 by Whippin