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Yeah very sad that people preffer to play GTA than Saints Row but eh, good luck next time trying to come up with something other than that. I didn't say anything about preference. You need to learn how to read. I was comparing the features of an old game (SR2) to a new one (GTA V). A person's opinion or personal preference does not come into the equation. It is simple fact that GTA V's police officers fail to meet the standards of the police in SR2. I've stated facts about this in many topics, but the main points are that SR2 developed fantastic law enforcement: - Police officers are a good mixture of female/male and ethnic diversities - They deploy tasers - They utilise batons and pepper spray - Uniforms are varied whilst remaining consistent in appearance I suggest you learn how to properly de-construct text and develop some critical thinking skills before you suggest that "people preffer" some games to others. On another note relating to the previous posts - I spent about an hour testing the methods suggested to get CVPIs to spawn in GTA Online. I couldn't seem to get it to work on PS3. I tried multiple stations at different times of the day. Might be a current-gen only spawn. Who knows. Cheers! from which direction did you approach the police station? Did you actually get into the choose your car screen, then back out? It should take a while for you to regain control of the character, because the game will be finding a new session for you. Did you walk pretty far south, away from the police station, then try the race marker again? It CAN be a bit of a bitch to get that first spawn to appear.

Would you say this happens at any time not just 7-9pm? yeah, I don't believe time is a factor when using this method. However, the first time I got the car to spawn (and then had the damn game disconnect), it was night time. I didn't happen to look at my phone to see the exact game time, but it may have been around 7-9 PM. Perhaps this timeframe increases your chances. I did get the cars to spawn at 5pm though, so don't feel like you HAVE to wait for 7-9pm Yeah very sad that people preffer to play GTA than Saints Row but eh, good luck next time trying to come up with something other than that. I didn't say anything about preference. You need to learn how to read. I was comparing the features of an old game (SR2) to a new one (GTA V). A person's opinion or personal preference does not come into the equation. It is simple fact that GTA V's police officers fail to meet the standards of the police in SR2. I've stated facts about this in many topics, but the main points are that SR2 developed fantastic law enforcement: - Police officers are a good mixture of female/male and ethnic diversities - They deploy tasers - They utilise batons and pepper spray - Uniforms are varied whilst remaining consistent in appearance I suggest you learn how to properly de-construct text and develop some critical thinking skills before you suggest that "people preffer" some games to others. On another note relating to the previous posts - I spent about an hour testing the methods suggested to get CVPIs to spawn in GTA Online. I couldn't seem to get it to work on PS3. I tried multiple stations at different times of the day. Might be a current-gen only spawn. Who knows. Cheers! from which direction did you approach the police station? Did you actually get into the choose your car screen, then back out? It should take a while for you to regain control of the character, because the game will be finding a new session for you. Did you walk pretty far south, away from the police station, then try the race marker again? It CAN be a bit of a bitch to get that first spawn to appear. I approached from the north, as you said to do in your little diagram. I tried different directions too but no luck. Yes, I did get to the vehicle select screen and back out. I did all the things you said to do in your post but I couldn't manage to spawn anything. Oh well. If anyone else has luck spawning these things on PS3, let me know! Cheers! Hmmm, in that case, follow the yellow path to the police station, since I know that one works. That's the one I used to get the cars to spawn both times. I haven't tested the blue path yet, it's just a theory.

Weird, for me the frame rate actually shoots up when the game's weather is stormy. In Max Payne 3, GTA IV and a few other games like Saints Row The Third or Mafia II. I'm using a GTX 550 Ti 1GB, oldie but goodie... well actually oldie but mid-rangey, but it got the job done at least until the "New-gen" garbage ports began to hit. First game that I've found unplayable on it was Assassins Creed Unity.

Rockstar really f*cked BIG TIME with the use of money in V, when they decided not include purchasable safehouse properties, the LA-styled setting was perfect for it. That one of the worst moves they made during V's development. There were so many nice-looking, stunning, luxury mansions in Los Santos, and it was real painful to know you could not enjoy the pleasurable experience of splashing out your hard-earned cash on one of your choice. What made it even much worse was when Franklin was simply 'given' his mansion (as nice as it looked), and not made to work for owning it - that was serious bullsh*t. The very least Rockstar could have done was allow Franklin to spend money on a safehouse property of his choice, because he was the one that had more drive to make big money as he desperately trying to get out of the hood and live a better life and existence. Michael already lived in a mansion, and Trevor enjoyed living like dirty scruffbag. Buying a new home would have perfectly fit the end rewards of Franklin's efforts in the game. No, Rockstar said f*ck that, just give it to him like you'd give away your old car to a family or friend. Buying businesses in V would have been just fine had it not been for the messed up profit-making structure. Firstly, businesses were overly too expensive to buy from the get go. Secondly, it took so long to start getting cash returns from your businesses, it took so long that it would make you no longer bothered to go around collecting your proceeds. By the time you made a few profit collections, the story was over and you already had 30 million dollars in the bank ! So as a result, owning businesses became pretty much useless to many, including me. I completely lost the excitement in owning businesses in V, unlike as in Vice City and San Andreas which I enjoyed a lot. Safehouse interior customization would have been a great idea too - even the laughable Saints Row series had this really good feature in it's second installment. The stocks and shares system was very time consuming and a bit confusing at times. Again, these factors lead me not bother with it. I found the whole thing a waste of time and a waste of money frankly. It's a shame, because I really looked forward to this feature in particular. Buying cars/vehicles and customization was very good, I enjoyed spending money on that. I know it's only food, but there should have fast-food outlets to spend money on food. Could have varied things up. To just spend money on sodas and chocolate bars is kinda silly, when in past GTAs you could actually buy hot food and sodas. There should have been other simple, but fun stuff to spend money on, like buying expensive jewelry, gambling, betting, or even drugs to buy and sell. They could have come up with simple, straightfoward, but very fun ideas to make the gameplay much more enjoyable and interesting. The theme of pursing money was not well manifested in the money spending aspect of V. It could have been done much better. Not true at all. Vice City and San Andreas has more than enough cool stuff to spend your money on. It was the stuff that I could buy in those games that even spurred me on harder to make more and more money fast. I still remember how proud and joyous I felt when I first played VC and bought my first safehouse property with my hard-earned cash. I remember thinking, "yes, Tommy now has his own home and don't have to stay in a hotel no more". Then I remember for the first time seeing all these businesses in VC to buy and hearing in cut-scenes how Tommy wanted to take over the city - now I was ever more determined make huge amounts of cash and create my own crime and business empire. I I loved that sh*t, and I really miss that feeling in GTA.

because they wanted to release the game after 5 years instead of 10? ....no one including Rockstar wouldn't prefer 3 cities to 1 but if we had 3x the cities then they'd be 1/3rd as good mostly likely Rockstar will get away with it because what you're describing is subjective.... some people prefer 1 really good city rather than 3 decent cities. heck, some of the IV fans here would probably sacrifice even the V countryside to have R* focus on just Los Santos itself because some people rather have 1 super good city than city+countryside or 3 cities. so, as long as some people rather R* focus on 1 city or 1 city plus countryside, they will get away with it. especially when critcally all 3 games score between 95-98% and commercially IV sold 25m, SA sold 28m, and V has likely sold over 35-37m now i mean, how exactly are you going to stop them from getting away with it? you post as if this is an objective fact that everyone agrees with except for Rockstar and that we here have the power to force them to change the map is amazing. IV and SA's maps are amazing for other reasons. all have their own creative and technical achievements. none of them are bad or should be complained about. if you think any GTA map is bad, go play a Saints Row game and then come back.

I think Mercenaries 2: World In Flames is the best open world - game to play on the last generation consoles (or PC) if you crave for action and explosives. The first game, Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction which was released for the PS2 and the original Xbox, is still one of my favourite games. True action from start to finish. The Saints Row series is not meant for players who're seeking a more realistic experience. I think this is one of the last video game series' that have stayed true to themselves. Lighthearted, fun and comical gameplay focusing on the player having fun. Far Cry 2, as someone else already mentioned it, is a very challenging experience. You take on the role of a lone mercenary in a civil war-ridden African country. The environment is what you'd think Africa is: savannas, rain forests, lakes, rivers, deserts and small villages. Your missions are to kill and avoid being killed. There are no side activities to do aside from searching for conflict diamonds (in-game cash) and golden weapons. Far Cry 2 has a lot of realistic animations in it that truly immerse you into the game such as plucking a bullet out of a wound in your arm, fixing your vehicle et cetera. Your guns can jam during a firefight (here the golden weapons come into play: they are much more durable) and your vehicle can suffer a breakdown while you're driving in the desert. Fire is big element in this game as you can start bushfires to deal with your enemies. The conflict diamonds are used to upgrade your skills with weapons and vehicles. The most recent installments to the Far Cry series, Far Cry 3 & 4, abandoned the sense of isolation and instead brought about a user-friendly type of gameplay that focuses more on explosive action and considered storytelling. The in-game mechanics are relatively much of the same as in Far Cry 2. Here's what I think about GTA: I think the GTA games are and have always been (since GTA 3) the balance between two extremes in open-world games: mindless fun and premeditated realism.

Who is we? Because I and some other people prefer more realistic games. In Saints Row, and GTA Vice City cars stop even quicker and turn corners quicker compared to GTA IV, and Need For Speed you can take corners faster then Gran Turismo yet pretty much everyone would agree that GTA IV and Gran Turismo have more advanced and better driving that requires more skills. Why not just make it so R* gives players the choice or option, similar to how they have auto or assisted aim for players who are not good at video games and free aim for players who want a more challenging game. Gta IV driving is terrible, I can't believe how anyone can say driving in that game is close to realistic. The suspension on cars are like pogo sticks jumping all over The place. I have driven all kinds Of cars in RL and I have never experienced that kind Of body roll, even The stiffest car in IV rolls more than my 77 Cadillac Coupe Deville. And dont get me startes on The buttery Brakes... V is closer to realistic, but far from it, but for a game it is perfect IMO. Not only thatthe camera iniv is terible also . I have to keep my thumb on the right analog stick wnen driving . The camera stays behind the car nearly at bumper level. I can hardly see the road unless i adjust the camera.

Trevor says some funny things sometimes and Steven Ogg did an excellent job, but Trevor is still one of the worst characters in GTA history. He is so over the top he belongs in a Saints Row game.

Rockstar will get away with this. I agree with you that the map layout is a little easy but its still an awesome map they ever created. Because they wanted to try multiplayer to its limits in gta v. The effort they did with GTA Online is really awesome. GTA V is an awesome game but if you don't love it then play saints row.

Pre-Warning - This is a Rant I expected the next-gen release of GTA V to have the updated soundtrack that was promised, I am so revolted with the soundtrack I actually feel physically ill if I think about it for more than several minutes. Yes it pisses me off that f*cking much. I don't know if I just have horrific timing, but so far I have heard very few if ANY of the new songs promised with the next-gen release, instead I constantly hear the original soundtrack repeating, I have heard maybe 8-10 of ALL the new songs. I constantly surf the radio, searching for anything REMOTELY acceptable to listen to. Blue Ark - I have tried to listen to this station on numerous occasions, I would always skip to this station if I couldn't find anything else, but the songs would always feel extremely repetitive and/or painfully out of rhythm to the point that I could never listen to an entire song front to back. Worldwide FM - I radio swap to this often, but have yet to find a song I can stand for more than 5 seconds. FlyLo FM - A friend of mine was listening to this station and there was a decent beat playing, yet I can't seem to find any other songs which retain that level of mellow, not to mention the ones with the annoying out-of-rhythm chiming sounds. The Lowdown FM/Space 103.2 - Any time I radio swap to this I hear disco-pop type music; this stuff sucked when it was new. Radio Mirror Park - There are maybe two or three songs on this station I enjoy, and they are ones that were used in the main game soundtrack during story missions: Shine a Light - C90's (Rarely ever played if at all; the song played during Michael's drug trip), Sleepwalking - The Chain Gang of 1974 (The end credits song Option: C), A modified Don't Feel the Same - Battle Tapes (The actual song is at a faster tempo, I hate the slowed down GTA V version) The rest of the songs are full of annoying chirps and bits that sound out of sync and detract from the song so much it actually ruins the songs. Vinewood Boulevard Radio - I'm not sure what kind of rock this is considered; new age? Not sure if it's just me but it feels too much like pop-music; garbage. Los Santos Rock Radio - The MAIN reason I had to respond to this post; THIS STATION IS AN ATROCIOUS BLASPHEMY TO THE NAME OF ROCK MUSIC!!! Stevie Nicks? Seriously? For f*ck sake, that is the essence of pop music from that time! That is NOT rock music! Simple Minds, Queen (Radio Gaga? WTFH?!) Phil Collins, Elton John, Bob Seger?! This is NOT rock music! And then the additions to the station?! Pat Benatar = Instant vomit, Starship = This is not ironic or funny; its bullsh*t. Even the songs like Baker Street, The Break-up Song, and Heartbeat are passable maybe two or three times before they become tiresome and just bad to listen to. Photograph, Rain, Fortunate Son (Have heard it ONCE on the radio), and Mississippi Queen (Still haven't heard it on the radio yet) are the songs that are actually GOOD and REPLAYABLE, 4 songs, and two of them had to be added in later, whoever is responsible for the music selection of the Los Santos Rock Radio must be depressed as Michael, so you know what, f*cking kill them and get someone who will actually make a rock station that doesn't make one literally physically ill. Non-Stop Pop FM - Inspires murderous disgust in a way that is not helpful for GTA V. Radio Los Santos - I really don't understand new rap, so much of it is out of rhythm it's just painful to listen to, I can stand the station if I play it as background music about 25% of the time, but I haven't heard anything new or old of the little that doesn't suck that it sticks out enough to make me check the song name. Channel X - Okay I have no idea what happened to the punk scene, there are a few songs I might hear when I'm buying guns that have a catchy lyric or something but I generally can't stand this station as a main radio station. I've always been a fan of old-school punk music, so that's pretty much that. Soulwax FM - It could have been a great station; if Rockstar hadn't been so goddamn f*cking lazy and sourced the entire station to ONE DJ. Really wtf, yes DJ's do release their music as artists, but generally if you go to a club or party with this type of music, the DJ will play all sorts of tracks from DIFFERENT ARTISTS!!! Isn't that sort of the point of radio? To have different artists in the genre type of the radio? Rebel Radio - Nothing specific about country music, I just can't stand it myself. East Los FM - Have actually heard a couple catchy songs at times when radio skipping, but it's just not to my tastes in music, that's all. West Coast Classics - Probably the station I will listen to the most when I actually play the radio, classic hip-hop music, good beats, some songs are a bit repetitive at times, but it can be decent to have on when I'm in the garage online. WCTR/Blaine County - Funny, once, after that it's annoying. All the previous GTA games had extensive talk stations, these are just... disappointing. The worst part is that given the genres of the stations, I could definitely see it have been possible for Rockstar to have retained the same radio-themes and not make them suck donkey balls. The soundtracks on the Saints Row 2 thru 4 would have been amazing for GTA V's themes. The rock station on SR2 took pop-hits from the 80's that EVERYONE knows because the song is good representation of that time/era and has been treated as such, plus its a good song. Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the Word, that would have been the song for GTA Online to use while still retaining Michael's 80's reminiscent theme. Aha - Take on Me, Faith no More - Epic, Butthole Surfers - Pepper, Haddaway - What is Love? All these songs, even as pop songs people know and love these songs, why else would have Haddaway become a meme? San Andreas was a shining example of what to do for a soundtrack, what happened Rockstar? Radio Mirror Park was meant to be the station for Hipster music, not the entire goddamn soundtrack.

Pretty hard to spot, they don't stand out the way they used to. Or perhaps I've been playing too much Saints Row:

There should have been a Heavy Metal station. Though Metal is full of Sub-Genres it would have been a nice touch. Many games shy away from the heavier/dark side of metal (except for Saints Row). These are a few bands and songs I think would have been good for GTA V. + A few songs for other sations. The Dillinger Escape Plan - When I Lost My Bet. Volumes - Affirmation Of Ascension Whitechapel - The Saw Is The Law Cryptopsy - Cleansing The Host Architects - Follow The Water American HeadCharge - Never Get Caught Divine Heresy - This Threat Is Real Meshuggah - Bleed The Red Chord - Blue Line Cretin Thy Art Is Murder - Reign Of Darkness Job For A Cowboy - Plastic Idols The Black Dahlia Murder - Deathmask Divine The Agony Scene - Scapegoat Bleed From Within - Devotion Heart Of A Coward - Distance I've played the game with those songs playing and they go with it. For the other stations, here are my picks. The Naked And Famous - Hearts Like Ours. Sigur Ros - Hoppipolla Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence Deftones - Entombed Mastodon - Circle Of Cysquatch Logistics - Crystal Skies Radiohead - Airbag Rage Against The Machine - Guerrilla Radio Mobb Deep - Drink Away The Pain Method Man/Redman - Fire Ina Hole Marilyn Manson - President Dead Alice In Chains - Nutshell Pulse Ultra - Build Your Cages Pet Shop Boys - It's Alright System Of A Down - Radio/Video DMX - Let Me Fly Cultura Tres - And Then I Woke Up Busta Rhymes - Gimme Some More Lynyrd Skynyrd - Poison Whiskey My Vitriol - Cemented Shoes Devil Sold His Soul - Crane Lake Municipal Waste - Chemically Altered Noisia - Could This Be The Notorious B.I.G - Juicy Naughty By Nature - Feel Me Flow Method Man - Your All I Need (Original) Wu-Tang Clan - Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthing Ta F' Wit Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World

GTA isn't about gang wars anymore for the same reason Saints Row isn't (although, GTA is handling that a lot better these days): cause they are freaking boring. You're pretty much a one-man army in both games, gang wars are pointless since you could easily take out an entire gang by yourself. Come to think of it, that's pretty much all we've been doing in GTA and Saints Row. Sure you could recruit homies to help you, but they were hardly anything more than cannon fodder.

Mmm...not sure about that! Saints Row 2 was pretty f*cking neat! Not going to argue third and fourth games are messed up junk, but Saints Row 1 and 2 were spot on! I can't even decide what is better San Andreas or Saints Row 2, the only areas where San Andreas wins is more diverse geographical environment (like canyons, mountain ranges, woods, desert, villages etc...) and handling (vehicles in San Andreas behaved much better and realistic, than in Saints Row 2...Saints Row 2's handling was a disaster!)...and thats it!... Saints Row 1 was the lousiest gta clone I have ever played. Don't know about the second, but 3 was absolutely f*cking rubbish. @killahmatic heists, more variety on the missions (switching between characters and stuff, just watch the gameplay trailers again) They never announced release date for heists, and btw, they said it will come out on first update on all platforms. And the rest what trailers have is already in game. Even considering "realistic" expectations it is still flawed! The most realistic expectations in my understanding would mean expecting absolutely the same game with the same amount of content, but graphically improved! And in this department R* delivered only "partially"! If you've seen pre-release next gen versions trailer, you might have noticed how many stuff were in those trailer, which isn't in the final game! Like moving trees, better vegetation and some other stuff...I didn't expect game to have twice the amount of content of the original game, but i expected drastic graphical improvement in ALL areas, but as a result i only got partial improvement, thus it hadn't even meet "realistic" expectations!... Moving tree's is a bug obviously or something to do with consoles hardware i dont know, you already have the same type of vegetation as shown on trailers and screenshots and what other stuff tell me exactly? You casuals expect too much to be fit on your consoles, its not a PC. First of all i'm waiting for PC version and i don't even have a console! LOL Second i can give a hundreds of examples, other than "dead trees" ...Show me traffic as good as in the pre-release screenshots and trailer! Show me more people on the streets! Show me promised so called "improved vehicle damage" (its been improved, but not as much as R* hyped!), show me vehicles and npc types from the pre-release screens and trailers for both this and last gen...You need more examples?...Then i encourage you to surf through these boards i'm sure you'll find A LOT of interesting stuff if you dig good enough! Trailers are captured on devkit PS4 and not regular PS4. Ofc devkits would be more powerful i think which means they can handle more traffic and peds on the street, but there is still more density than on last gen, so it all depends on time of the day and area. Vehicle damage was improved and Rockstar has never shown how improved they are, but they are better than on last gen, thats for sure. What vehicles? All DLC cars are available and are driven by peds in both singleplayer and online, Dodo Seaplane and that i dont know how is that version of the dukes called is only for returning players. Maybe if you at least watch some gameplay videos you wouldnt be so ignorant. PC will have better graphics, performance, denser traffic and more peds on the streets!

Mmm...not sure about that! Saints Row 2 was pretty f*cking neat! Not going to argue third and fourth games are messed up junk, but Saints Row 1 and 2 were spot on! I can't even decide what is better San Andreas or Saints Row 2, the only areas where San Andreas wins is more diverse geographical environment (like canyons, mountain ranges, woods, desert, villages etc...) and handling (vehicles in San Andreas behaved much better and realistic, than in Saints Row 2...Saints Row 2's handling was a disaster!)...and thats it!... Saints Row 1 was the lousiest gta clone I have ever played. Don't know about the second, but 3 was absolutely f*cking rubbish. @killahmatic heists, more variety on the missions (switching between characters and stuff, just watch the gameplay trailers again) They never announced release date for heists, and btw, they said it will come out on first update on all platforms. And the rest what trailers have is already in game. Even considering "realistic" expectations it is still flawed! The most realistic expectations in my understanding would mean expecting absolutely the same game with the same amount of content, but graphically improved! And in this department R* delivered only "partially"! If you've seen pre-release next gen versions trailer, you might have noticed how many stuff were in those trailer, which isn't in the final game! Like moving trees, better vegetation and some other stuff...I didn't expect game to have twice the amount of content of the original game, but i expected drastic graphical improvement in ALL areas, but as a result i only got partial improvement, thus it hadn't even meet "realistic" expectations!... Moving tree's is a bug obviously or something to do with consoles hardware i dont know, you already have the same type of vegetation as shown on trailers and screenshots and what other stuff tell me exactly? You casuals expect too much to be fit on your consoles, its not a PC. First of all i'm waiting for PC version and i don't even have a console! LOL Second i can give a hundreds of examples, other than "dead trees" ...Show me traffic as good as in the pre-release screenshots and trailer! Show me more people on the streets! Show me promised so called "improved vehicle damage" (its been improved, but not as much as R* hyped!), show me vehicles and npc types from the pre-release screens and trailers for both this and last gen...You need more examples?...Then i encourage you to surf through these boards i'm sure you'll find A LOT of interesting stuff if you dig good enough!

Mmm...not sure about that! Saints Row 2 was pretty f*cking neat! Not going to argue third and fourth games are messed up junk, but Saints Row 1 and 2 were spot on! I can't even decide what is better San Andreas or Saints Row 2, the only areas where San Andreas wins is more diverse geographical environment (like canyons, mountain ranges, woods, desert, villages etc...) and handling (vehicles in San Andreas behaved much better and realistic, than in Saints Row 2...Saints Row 2's handling was a disaster!)...and thats it!... Saints Row 1 was the lousiest gta clone I have ever played. Don't know about the second, but 3 was absolutely f*cking rubbish. @killahmatic heists, more variety on the missions (switching between characters and stuff, just watch the gameplay trailers again) They never announced release date for heists, and btw, they said it will come out on first update on all platforms. And the rest what trailers have is already in game. Even considering "realistic" expectations it is still flawed! The most realistic expectations in my understanding would mean expecting absolutely the same game with the same amount of content, but graphically improved! And in this department R* delivered only "partially"! If you've seen pre-release next gen versions trailer, you might have noticed how many stuff were in those trailer, which isn't in the final game! Like moving trees, better vegetation and some other stuff...I didn't expect game to have twice the amount of content of the original game, but i expected drastic graphical improvement in ALL areas, but as a result i only got partial improvement, thus it hadn't even meet "realistic" expectations!... Moving tree's is a bug obviously or something to do with consoles hardware i dont know, you already have the same type of vegetation as shown on trailers and screenshots and what other stuff tell me exactly? You casuals expect too much to be fit on your consoles, its not a PC.

Mmm...not sure about that! Saints Row 2 was pretty f*cking neat! Not going to argue third and fourth games are messed up junk, but Saints Row 1 and 2 were spot on! I can't even decide what is better San Andreas or Saints Row 2, the only areas where San Andreas wins is more diverse geographical environment (like canyons, mountain ranges, woods, desert, villages etc...) and handling (vehicles in San Andreas behaved much better and realistic, than in Saints Row 2...Saints Row 2's handling was a disaster!)...and thats it!... Saints Row 1 was the lousiest gta clone I have ever played. Don't know about the second, but 3 was absolutely f*cking rubbish. Each to his own dude! And if you played 1st, but not second, then you wouldn't like it as much, because second is basically the same game, but bigger and more ambitious in a customization area! Its like San Andreas of SR series...so GTAIII and Vice City is like Saints Row 1, while San Andreas is like Saints Row 2...If you know what i mean...There is HUGE amount of customization, interactivity and overall freedom scale in that game!...

i love the new crash physics, cars crashed much harder and also are pushed/thrown farther now, too combined with better AI for crashes (cars drive faster on the freeway and also use the e-brake much more now), and there are much more fun crashes on PS4 than PS3 or most of those games (especially crap driving games like Saints Row, Mafia or Sleeping Dogs) GTA IV still more fun for crashes but I enjoy overall driving more in V plus, V has Smart cars... the Benefactor Pantos those alone are hilarious to drive or crash into haha

That's easy, normal. Slidey Cars isn't GTA IV mode, not in any way, shape, or form. I would prefer GTA IV to it. See, here's the thing. I don't dislike GTA IV. It's one of my very favorite games of all time. I don't care that it was too serious, I wasn't even really bothered by the constant cell phone harassment from other players. I have defended its driving mechanics in the past, but I NEVER denied that they were awful. I just said that once you got used to them, it was actually kinda fun. Doesn't mean I couldn't admit how bad they were. When it comes to GTA V, the driving is spot on. Realistic? No, and it shouldn't be. I don't know at what point the GTA series got held to this standard where it's expected to be more realistic and more perfect than any other game in history, but until people start leveling FAIR criticism of it instead of just whining and complaining at every little nit-picky thing they can come up with to bitch about, I can't take them seriously. Nobody bitched about Saints Rows driving. Nobody bitched about Just Cause 2's driving. Both are terrible, but everyone just accepted it and took the game for what it was. I can't enjoy Saints Row because the driving is so bad, I would rather play GTA, so that's exactly what I do. Thankfully in Just Cause 2, you really have no reason to drive or fly, since you have a magical grappling hook and infinite parachutes. But i definitely don't go onto Saints Row or Just Cause forums and create threads for the sole purpose of complaining about how X feature isn't enough like Y game. You start instigate it most of the time. Tomato is starting a fling sh*t contest but I was actually trying to have a decent discussion until woggleman came along accusing me of being an elitist. On a different note, I'll have to try slidey cars. However my favorite aspect of IV's driving was not all of the sliding, it was the way the steering made me feel connected to the road. I will have a decent discussion with you from here on out, if you'll oblige. Slidey cars isn't like GTA IV, you probably won't like it for anything more than a challenge.

I've been a Saints Row fanatic since the 2nd game. Ridiculous amount of fun, although the second game on PC is really buggy because it was ported by some external company unrelated to Volition, so beware of that... Though most of the issues get fixed with a fan-made patch compilation called "Gentlemen of the Row". I highly recommend these games, and the co-op is still unmatched when it comes to sandbox games imo.

Neither can Rockstar. Now that there's super reflective puddles during rain, you can see how much is missing from the reflections. Games like saints row and sleeping dogs can reflect pedestrians and cars but grand theft auto can't so gg Thats one of the problems, but its doubtful that PS4 and Xbox One are capable of handling perfect real time reflections at least for a huge open world game like GTA V with alot of things going on at the same time, but im looking forward to PC version, because usually games ported from consoles to PC get crap ports and downgraded graphics. Ubisoft is one of those companies that dont deserve any respect, they f*cked up AC Unity, Watch Dogs, and then FC 4 with downgraded graphics to match consoles. Watch Dogs was supposed to be ''next gen'' title and fake reflections on windows is something that ruined it, more is about to be seen in Crowbcat's video ''Watch Dogs my true next gen experience'', and draw distance in Watch Dogs was very outdated, with 2D era clouds like the ones from CS 1.6, non-working dash boards in vehicles too, and worse of all every vegetation seems copy pasted. Ubisoft cant make sh*t right, Rockstar can do better job but they can f*ck something up as well.

Neither can Rockstar. Now that there's super reflective puddles during rain, you can see how much is missing from the reflections. Games like saints row and sleeping dogs can reflect pedestrians and cars but grand theft auto can't so gg

The same surely had been said 10 years ago for cellphones, customizable guns and hanging out with contacts but that feature is in todays GTA's. Games just evolve and reallisticly speaking seatbels and airbags would make everything more immersive, although i get the point that it is just a game and you are supposed to have fun. This, GTA IV implemented a functioning cellphone, internet, more realistic physics based car damage, flying out of a windshield, enemy AI taking cover, guns recoiling, NPC's having jobs or doing activities, hanging out with friends, euphoria physics engine, GTA V first person, animals, hunting, wildlife photography, buying vehicles, stock market, Vinewood tours, more traffic, GTA SA having to eat food and exercise or getting out of shape, bike riding, triathlon, skydiving, GTA VC put in buying businesses and going to clubs and strip clubs, falling off of a motorbike. Also the Mafia series of games has needing to refuel your car and people enjoyed that feature and found it added to the immersion of the game. Also it's not fair to say that other games don't have seatbelts or airbags since just about every other free roam game besides GTA, is pretty much garbage when it comes to attention to detail, realistic features, or technical accomplishments, games like Saints Row or Sleeping Dogs are pure garbage that shouldn't be looked at to or emulated by a company like Rockstar who puts out quality and puts way more money and time into the Grand Theft Auto games. But, this is a video game and we don't need any sort of reality, right? Who wants airbags to deploy occasionally on a car accident, that wouldn't be fun right?

I love GTA V driving, it suits me the way GTA 4 driving suits others, driving along the much bigger and longer roads at high speeds would be very different with 4 driving, more real, less exciting. Far cry i didn't play much, nor watch dogs, sleeping dogs though i liked, Different from GTA but not sh*t, just cause i prefered crashing them off mountains, The winner is saints row. Obviously! ,

Sorry for quoting an old post but what does does psp2 mean? And about crap PC ports, the PC port of Saints Row 2 was god awful.