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Yeah and how much have you lost? Sry for underestimating you but you don't look that intelligent to win at poker And experience doesn't have to be from casinos, poker is a game that can be played anywhere with anyone, I once won 300 czech crowns playing with my uncle, cousins and friends in one tournament game, I busted everyone and at that time I was 15 so 300 czk was quite enough for me. You look like a person who views poker mainly as hazard...it's not, it's a game of skill. Also I can't gamble with real money yet, I'm 17 y.o. believe it or not. I could hit u up in June when betting with real money becomes legal for me.

So you have zero experience.. go put $10 on pokerstars or whatever online poker site will accept it and get back to me.... I've been playing online poker for over 10 years, and Casino poker since the early 1990s.

And no, I don't piss on cashgames because I lost money, I actually profited about 100 bucks yesterday alone. It's just that cashgames in rdo are pretty much just wait till you get a good hand because bluffing doesn't pay off because some people don't know what folding is. There's barely any "psychological" battle between players, there's not much you can do to trick people into falling into your own trap - basic example: starting with low bets and be hesitant even when I have excellent hand (example - straight, full house, flush) only to make other people bluff and make ridiculously high bets assuming I have a bad hand only that when the last round begins I start betting ridiculously high and the person who probably had a worse hand than me will be forced to either fold or play the game with me assuming I'm bluffing this tactic, either way the pot will get higher and backing up from this isn't easy for everyone...in rdo poker tho most of the players don't make any sense and are hard to see through because they don't have any tactic, hope this clears things up. Basically imo cashgames are more hazard and tournaments are more sport. Idk bout u but I don't like hazard

That's a misconception, they actually don't know if I'll call their all in or if I could be bluffin or if I actually have good hand, they just go all in because that's what newbies do and yes, I've won multiple tournaments before, playing with friends (friendly poker no real money) on GOP 3 I earned most of my 3mil chips from tournaments. This bs you edited in just doesn't make any sense really.

As the post above, I just enjoy playing. I wrote the buy-in cash off the moment I sat down and so long as I'm smiling, I'm winning. (And a good read there @-LN- ). It is a videogame after all. Reading here its like WSOP or some sh*t, lol. I would like a mix though. Add a tournament on the ferry, a table at camp for posse's/friends too, and we're golden. Bring on the other minigames. (Not that the rest of the game is any good mind you, poker saved it for me. But I will pop back once a month for some cards, just need the excited youth piss off after the buzz wares off).

A lot of you in this thread are getting WAYYYY too deep into this. They have added online poker, which has been requested for a long time. I can't believe people are getting mad over a 5% rake, or that you can't go "all-in" - Just forget about it my dudes. Last night I sat down with my $25 dollar buy-in and when I left the table an hour later I had $90. Do you really think I care if 5% of that disappears? Do you think I care if I lose every single hand and my $25 buy in? No, I don't care. Because they added POKER, and it is working just fine. If you can't afford the 5% rake or even to lose $25 then I suggest looking up a guide for making money in the game, because you are doing it wrong. And why does it matter that you can't go all-in? You would just end up crying to Rockstar that you blew all your money and lost it on poker? It is better how it is, with the max bet IMO. And even with the max bet you can still make decent money if everyone goes to max bet with you. Just enjoy the goddamn poker !

Cash games and tournaments have very different strategies from one another; an excellent tournament player is not always a great cash game player and vice versa. See Phil Hellmuth as example; he excels at tournament play, but is just very average at best with cash games. It doesn't mean that he's a bad overall player, just that he's more comfortable with the strategy involved in tournaments. Tournaments are more about survival than accumulating the most chips; essentially every hand that you play must count and there is little room for error. Sure, in the beginning stages when blinds are cheap, you may feel more inclined to see a few flops, but when the blinds start going up, you really have to rely on your position, reading the other opponents well, taking note of how many chips everyone has left (including yourself), and when and where you can make your moves in order to stay alive. It's naturally a faster pace game and you can't just sit back for hours and hours and wait on pocket Aces or Kings; you have to make moves and you have to know exactly when to play your hand and why. The goal is not necessarily to bust all of the other players, but rather to last longer than them by choosing your moves carefully until you've made it past the bubble and into the final positions which pay. You have to learn when to play tight, when to bluff when needed, and exactly whether or not the person(s) in the hand against you would risk their tournament life with the cards they're holding. Cash games on the other hand are more about patience and long-term profits. In these games, you still have to know the proper way to play position and read other players, but it's more flexible in that you can easily sit back for long periods of time, only play premium hands within position, and grind out a profit over time; you can also easily leave when things aren't going your way and avoid certain types of players entirely if you wish. Now, you also have to consider that if the stakes aren't that high in a cash game, it's nothing for some people to chase anything and everything all the time down to the very end hoping to get lucky or call huge bets and raises no matter what they're holding because if they win, they can win big and hurt the ones who truly know the game, but if they lose, they can easily just brush it off as "bad luck", which is actually "bad play" on their part, and re-buy for the next hand and do it again. Of course, the people who chase and call don't understand the game will generally end up losing so much more in the long run and the solid players will generally come out ahead provided they do not let their emotions get in the way, go on tilt, and try to chase what they've lost by playing too many hands and making all the wrong moves, but again, these are two very different variants of essentially the same games, both with unique strategies and approaches, but there are a lot of things to consider when deciding which suits your playing style and whether the game will be more about luck or skill. Remember, in a tournament, there are no second chances unless it's one of those god-awful types that have a period where you're allotted a certain amount of times (usually once or twice) to re-buy if you bust before the blinds reach a certain amount, but in general you've only got one shot and if you bust; too bad, so sad! I personally enjoy tournaments more, but I have experience with both types of games. Cash games are good for building your bankroll if you have the time and patience to stick with it. Placing high within a tournament will often generate a nice payout right then and there, but you've really got to know what you're doing and be constantly focused on the entire game at all times. Sorry for the long-windedness; I was taught at a very young age how to play most variants of poker and it's something that has always stuck with me.

Really like the new update. It was sorely needed! Last night I got random messages from two completely different people, added them as friends, and ended up doing missions and hideouts with them and having some great fun. Also got targeted for assassination, we survived and ended up playing poker and chatting. One of the best nights on Red Dead for a long time. I also got a "level up" map that bugged out and gave me nothing. It's happened to me once before and last time I got the map back when I logged out/in again. But this time the map was simply gone without any treasure for me. So I sent a message to Rockstar and a very nice guy answered me almost immediately and gave me gold and cash for my troubles. Really impressive and fast support.

IRL? No not in my experience, in a tournament you pay the entrance fee and get a certain amount of chips, the blinds increase at a set interval to force people to play until there is one player left. It's not usually winner takes all, depending on the amount of players you can get paid for going "deep" in the tournament or if its a table of ten probable the top 3 get paid. But we don't have a tournament in RDO its a cash game where players can come go as they please taking whatever chips they have which is just like a real life casino and online poker sites. A tournament in RDO would be cool though, maybe a high stakes one on the river boat with a high buy in and multiple tables in action, and no stupid max bet per round.

In-game poker avatars retain old pics when players leave the table. No biggie but an irritating little bug.

They are advertisements, the video is listed as an add. It's simple as that, advertisement is supposed to help monetary gain. There's no business model in which this could work. Some people could buy this game solely for the purpose of playing poker online with friends just to find out it's blocked. Anyway you put it it's obvious they f*cked up. This is false advertisement at it's finest. I wouldn't be right if they didn't promote it on specific Polish promotions but they did.

Actually you couldn't and it's not false advertising. You'd have to prove that the Newswire and a YouTube video, both of which are nothing more than a written and visual form of communication that provide info, constitute false advertising. You could argue that they are advertising, but are they advertisements "with the intent to promote the sale of"? The thing is, you already bought the game. Whether you bought it for SP or online is irrelevant, because what you're not buying, or ever will, are the "free" updates. Now had they said that poker would be in the game before it even launched and didn't disclose region locks, perhaps you'd have a case.

I am happy that Rockstar included ponchos. Too bad the poncho's defy gravity and hang out in mid air. Rockstar finally fixed the hair clipping problems. My avatar is looking kinda OK now. It sux that you have to enable defensive mode all the time. I didn't got griefed once. I played some poker. I walked away with $15 profit. You can make more money with grinding hunting and fishing. Poker is more fun.

I gave em bit of a scare, hope this solves our problems. And I hope they don't try to sue me for judging them...idk Hetraet's reply: What about I spice things up a notch. Found out enough evidence that your company commited the crime of false advertisement. https://youtu.be/HBYzc6Jwn8s This is official Polish R* channel on youtube advertising this update aswell as POKER ADDITION which is regionaly blocked = non-present/accesible within the game for Polish people. Please try to fix this issue otherwise our community on gtaforums.com could be tempted to take legal action. This is an undeniable proof of false advertisement. We could actually sue them...holy f*ck...not like they don't deserve that but I'm too much of a pussy to go against a company of this size lol. Legally we're right. This is false advertising and that is illegal, it should have legal consequences

That's not what variance means. Variance is when you get it in with the best hand and still lose. Like you go all in with AA pre-flop against QQ. At that point you are a 82% favorite to win, however if he hits another Q you lose. When you lose there, that's variance. https://www.pokerlistings.com/variance-and-poker-pt-1-how-good-cash-game-players-outrun-luck https://upswingpoker.com/cash-games-vs-tournaments-strategy-comparison/

Well it's an opinion shared by the poker community in general to be honest. Deep stacked cash games have much lower variance than MTTs or sit n goes...that's just a fact. Lower variance means lower luck involved... BTW, they know enough about poker to know that you will call an all-in bet without the nuts.... are you sure you've won a poker tournament before?

Well, that's your opinion. From my experience it just doesn't work. How is that, that I keep winning tournaments (GOP3, Rdr 1, real life) but see complete newbies during the cashgame win the pot despite knowing absolute sh*t about poker?

In a tournament. Not the game right now. I mean when I've been playing poker, it has always been to the death. But normally in a tournament ppl can leave with their chips any time they want right?

Yep that's the only thing keeping me invested, already made about 100 dollars from winnings. It's super slow and easy though. Just wait for a good hand and then bet all in. Most of the players are too dumb to get even this easy to look through tactic. It's sometimes fun though when someone who knows how to play poker has a "stand-off" with me...mainly when it's about who can bluff better, that's what poker is about

I prefer tournaments and these are not in the game. Tournaments are way less about luck, it's about your tactic and getting to see through each one of your oponents. For example for me poker can be won by busting all the players, this is impossible cuz when I bust someone, some simpleton will sit down betting max bets without any tactic. If you know how poker in rdr 1 mp works then you get my vision of poker. In rdr 1 you had to matchmake for a lobby to start one and no new people could come sit to the table until either everyone left or someone busted everyone, that's true poker for me. The way poker works rn is scummy and mainly about luck.

Speaking of false advertising, Polish version of newswire article still includes bit about poker, even though it's not available in Poland: https://www.rockstargames.com/pl/newswire/article/60954/Red-Dead-Online-World-Updates-New-Missions-Poker-and-The-Road-Ahead

I wasn't defending the rake, just simply trying to explain the reasoning for it being in the game. It's no different here in RDO than it is in GTA where characters take "cuts" out of our earnings for bullsh*t reasons. It's something I've unfortunately gotten used to and expected, so taking a 5% rake really doesn't surprise me. Personally, I don't think poker is being used to push mtx simply for the fact that they are two different currencies. If I lose all my money in poker I'm not going to get frustrated and buy gold bars as a result, I'm going to hunt/do missions to earn my cash back. I can't buy everything with gold bars that I can with cash so there's no push to buy gold bars in that respect. However this is just my opinion and how I personally see it, others may think different

Wtf is it with people defending the rakes? It's unnecesary and used to reduce overall payouts, what if the poker is rigged also, every time I became a bully (50+chips) I started getting the worst cards possible (2&3,4&2,4&3) I think there's something shady behind the poker in this game, they want us to buy gold bars and probably found a way to monetize poker behind our backs - pushing us to buy mtx. Of course this is just a conspiracy theory but I can really see this be the case. Also the "taxes" and "bills" are in the game clearly just to take money from players to push them to bypass the grind by mtx. If this poker minigame wasn't meant to be monetized than it would be legal in all countries, it wouldn't be considered as gambling. This sh*t is really shady I'm tellin ya.

The antes or blinds never increase; they've structured this to be just a simple cash game where people can come and go as they please. What you, I, and probably lots of others would like to see is a tournament style game where there is an initial buy-in amount for all, it's played down until everyone is eliminated, and where the top two or three (depending upon the number of participants) earn an overall payout at the end based upon where they place and the cost of the initial buy-in amount. With cash games like the ones that are featured here; people are always free to just come and go as they please and re-buy when they're low on chips or bust completely. I think they ought to offer both cash game and tournament games, and I definitely agree that stakes should be higher or vary depending upon location. The fixed $5 amount for private games is a bit silly as well. Also, the capped betting structure is a bit of a miss too; limit poker with such low stakes is often called "No Fold 'em Hold 'em" for a reason. It's $25 to buy into a public game with a max bet per round - essentially that's just a game of bingo, which is exactly how the vast majority of randoms treat it based upon what I've seen. They'll just bet, call, raise, and stay in with anything and everything down to the very end because it's cheap and they aren't actually playing poker; they're just hoping to get lucky with miracle cards, no skills or thought required! I'm glad they added poker, but it's more of just a time waste for me; I just can't take it seriously at all in this game based upon how it has been structured. It's not the worst I've ever seen, but it's not something I can see myself doing each and every day or spending hours per session playing. I jumped on a table last night that was of course filled with bingo playing fish; I folded nearly everything until I picked up QQ. Two of them called my raises and bets and they both turned over a King with some offsuit garbage kicker. That wasn't a bad pay out, I guess, but had the stakes been higher and it were truly a no limit game, things would have been better and it would have seemed more like a proper poker experience; who knows, maybe they would have folded against a proper re-raise and value bet, but had they not, they would have lost their stacks because they were ignorant of how to play the game in the first place. My B&M: Racing. It's absolute trash in this game; I tried to place within the top 3 last night for the daily and every round was either some prick camping the start/finish line during a lap race and blowing people up with dynamite, people purposely running into you and killing you during a P2P, or some other kind of lameness in everything else. Adding combat, horsestream/slipstream, catch-up, and all of the other types of BS completely ruin them. Ugh, not even worth it for me. Oh and those free roam PvP events; f*ck those too! I tried one, spawned into the middle of red dot hell without cover and the gun that I needed. I tried to exit asap, but was immediately killed the moment I went into the pause menu. Ffs, I wish they wouldn't make this stuff part of the daily objectives; I actually thought they were going to stop the ones with forced PvP, but perhaps I was mistaken.

If you were playing poker at your own camp or in some back alley, then that would be a case where there is no house. But you're playing in a saloon with a structured set of rules therefore they become the house. Just like if you play poker at a casino they are the house Do I like that Rockstar decided to take a 5% cut? No. But it was Rockstar's decision and the only way that's going to change is if someone petitions to change it. In the end 5% isn't worth the trouble to try to change IMO unless we get higher stakes games