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Remaster leaked!? New Vice City ending!?

Rockstar renewing Billie Jean be like :

Nevermind, edit

You can still be stylised AND look closer to the original btw:

ROCKSTAR! HIRE THIS MAN!

Well, I tried to make Tommy look a bit "flatter". I also changed his face but it may have gotten worse.

sh*t, I had no idea forum moderators had the ability to give free vacation!

Broken hand - Please bare with me whilst I push through the healing process. WIP: Bonus: Timmehh

It's awful because you have people defending the removal of the original games by saying sh*t like, "Oh well this was your chance to get it and those who already did have it! Sucks to be you!" What kind of condescending bullsh*t logic is that? So we're against game preservation now as well? Screw anyone who is interested in trying the original games now too? There have been so many times where until recently I haven't had a chance to play some 10 or 15 year old game, but when I want to I'm forced to get a key or pirate it because the asshole devs delisted the game. But no worries, it's my fault for missing out on it clearly. Now this generation is going to grow up with these "Definitive Editions" and will probably never get to experience the original games which is upsetting to me as well. Aged badly or not, they were a product of their time and deserve to be experienced originally how they were at least once if you ask me. Shameful... Maybe you're right to an extent but even if the original character models were "stylized' per se, at least they retained some form of skin detail and hair detail on their face. Just look at Ken Rosenberg, you can clearly see forehead wrinkles and bags under his eyes amidst the low resolution texture, and this gave his character the iconic "paranoid drug addict" lawyer look we all remember and love. Now? He's just a blow up sex doll someone made as a mod for the Sims 4. He's a nobody and looks like he's 20 years old in college. How the f*ck is this acceptable, and how can anyone defend this downgrade?

Yeah it's the 80's but the clothing was not THAT badly fitted, Tommy's walking around as if he's just come from a Talking Heads concert:

They went with the cartoon aesthetic, not because it fit the original games, but because it would be easier. Because it would allow them to keep the outdated map and car geometry, as well as the crappy animations, and slap some shaders on top of those and call it "stylised". They have clearly put some effort when it comes to improving details in interiors and such, but aside from those little details it leaves a lot to be desired. Even if you're a fan of the new look, some things are straight up downgrades, like how the facial expressions in cutscenes are often times worse vs Aside from the graphics overhaul, there's not much else. They've mentioned the GTA V controls and that's probably the only gameplay change we're getting. I wonder if Claude and Tommy will even be able to swim now? There are so many ways they could improve the gameplay... The AI in these games is terrible. In GTA SA, enemies will only start shooting at you from a predetermined range. As long as you stay out of that range, they become target dummies that you can easily kill with just about any weapon. In gang wars, the enemies will slowly walk up to you instead of shooting. Your homies are just as dumb as them, so you'll be fighting alone. In fact, they're worse than useless, since all they'll do is get in the way of your line of sight. Similarly, the traffic AI is also awful. In highways, it's like the cars are being pushed by an invisible force that keeps them at max speed no matter what. When you stand in front of an AI vehicle, they will stop instantly. I'd be very surprised if they improve on the AI, even if it has already been done by modders in the form of mods like Real Traffic Fix. The map geometry remains the same, which means Mount Chiliad is still going to be made out of like 10 polygons in total. Except now it will have AI upscaled textures and fancy lighting reflecting off of these very basic geometric shapes, probably exacerbating how behind the times it is. Same thing with the entirety of the Las Venturas desert. I imagine they're going to fix some of the existing bugs, but they will probably not do a better job than Silent. They'll almost certainly introduce new ones as well. More importantly, I have to wonder if they've fixed the issues that arise from having high FPS, or if they've simply applied a band-aid fix onto the more obvious and game-breaking bugs, such as not being able to dive, or swimming very slowly, or getting stuck in the garage during a cutscene in Fender Ketchup, but failing to actually deal with the root of the issues. I also take issue with this screenshot in particular, since it shows how little has actually changed in terms of going beyond the limitations that existed back when these games were originally made. Los Santos is a video game rendition of Los Angeles, a sprawling, very densely populated city. And yet, it's almost a ghost town in this 2021 remaster. There's a total of five cars and two pedestrians in the screenshot if I counted correctly. It made sense for it to be this empty in the PS2 era, but ever since then, CPUs have improved a lot. You'd expect a little more movement and density, especially since the system requirements are so high (higher, or at least on par with RDR2's, somehow). Maybe the requirements are exaggerated, or maybe it's terribly optimized. Hopefully not the latter. Was this worth all of the mod takedowns? The removal of the original versions from stores? Definitely not worth the hype.

And you call others stubborn huh? Even here, we have the DE version tweaked to look closer to the original:

Was it really that hard to do...

Hurry!

Tommy Vercetti looks like a fat Pakistani car salesman with orange spray-tan. And his face isn't even remotely similar to the classic one. The issue is not that they went for a cartoony/stylized look. It's that the quality of the character art is sub-par. It's pretty clear that none of the artists at any actual Rockstar studios touched them (or any of the environment art). And Aaron Garbut probably just didn't care (if he saw any of this at all). "Sure, go ahead and release this, some of them might complain but most will buy it anyway."

I finally figured out what is so off about the new Tommy(besides the weight). The OG Vercetti's eyebrows are located in such a way that, along with the narrowed eyes, it makes him look grumpy 95% of the time. This combination also makes him look phlegmatic, always calm and in control. Compare the "It's my money, Tommy" phonecall scene: 1. The situation is disastrous, but Tommy, as always, remains visibly calm and focused. 2. Here, Tommy looks distinctly nervous and even scared(which was never the case with the OG one; he was often angry, but never scared). Weirdly enough, a different screenshot does it right: The theory about the trailer being compiled of different versions of the game starts making the most sense to me. I can't explain the obvious differences otherwise. Could they screw up Tommy's appearance in the cutscenes, while having the "gameplay" version of him look just fine?

what the f*ck how do you get fat on your own bullsh*t Jesus I laughed too hard at that... 100% agree. It's shameful. Before this crap started happening, the modding community for the GTA games as far back as the classic trilogy was always known amongst the fanbase as a fun, and sometimes integral way of keeping the experience of playing GTA fresh, especially after you had beaten the story. I believe at one point even R* mentioned they supported mods for their games too. Now all of a sudden someone porting Liberty City to V somehow means financial ruin for Take Two or some bullsh*t? Disgusting, they can stick it where the sun don't shine with their low brow actions. Modders worked their butts off to make fun content for the GTA games and fix many issues R* doesn't care to. They do this on their own free time and they don't even get paid for it as well, and many have spent years of their lives doing this. To see it snatched away so we can be forced to pay 60 dollars for what is essentially an amalgation of several "remaster" mods but on the Unreal Engine that comes with free blow up sex dolls we can play as is downright an insult to the fanbase and to modders alike. One day I hope Take Two goes under and the modding community shines bright again without having to live in fear of another half a million dollar f*ckin' lawsuit showin' up on their front door because someone slightly improved the texture on a f*ckin' tree one day. A man can dream...one day. My message to Take Two and Rockstar today:

I don't know man, I still think Rockstar Vienna (who did the XBOX port) did a better job, yes this was made in 2003 and it looks bad by today's standards, but they should have used that and made it more HD and hi-poly.

https://www.facebook.com/DriveByAudio/posts/10153575800945969?comment_id=10153577605855969 Because this is the way you should attempt to re license Music.

And then after watching this, it highlights just how much better the games look, overall. It's staggering. The tone/vibe from GTA III will be sorely missed, and Tommy looks... questionable at times. But overall I'm rather happy. But no, it's not perfect.

Honestly I think that video by GTA Series highlights even more how good these look IMO lol. Other than some character models like Tommy's and in some scenes CJ's face looks a bit odd, everything else is a huge step up. The character model in that scene with Sweet doing a driveby is pretty good IMO. The texture on the cap, etc.

How could I dare to expect, that remaster won't be inferior in any way compared to original game. It's been 20 years and in this new version even Dodo ffs is missing details. Just like someone said, it's demaster, not a remaster. Old games suddenly literally lost one of things, that make Rockstar's games so great and lifelike, details. It looks like a cheap knockoff of original games unless lighting is the only thing that matters to you.

Next time when making comparisons, try using the official screenshots found on the new Trilogy site: As you can see, Tommy does not look as bad as you make it out to be in the first image, which is edited to make him look fatter in both stomach and sides. His hair is also altered to make it look more like a doll. This post got 43 likes, 43 people who got baited and possibly have their views on the game altered because of someone editing an image to make it look worse than the official screenshots. I really hope you didn't edit this.

tried again with another screenshot with modded timecyc, without fog failed so hard to recreate the colors but no one's perfect right at least it's in 4k (tm) technical details - they likely using 70 fov, that's I used with aap's debug camera and it's a pretty good match also the sunrise position has been changed to the right a bit

This isn't TinderForums. Please don't creep on people. If you want to do that stuff consensually then take it to PMs.

Cockstar defense force licking every boot in sight. I'm not even hating on these too hard but the overt desperate praise is too much.

Another thing is that ridiculously good draw distance, whole illusion will be gone, people will be literally able to see clearly Las Venturas from Los Santos, lmao.

In my opinion the "blame T2!" is a cop out to avoid damaging their real brand - Rockstar. T2 would much rather you criticize "Take-Two" as it means nothing to the gaming masses, than the public-facing brand(s) they've spent billions developing. If Rockstar's leadership doesn't have enough pull or want to put a stop the bullsh*t, then it's not really an 'autonomous entity' within T2 at that point and might as well be viewed as the same entity.

It's ridiculous how I see so many people around the internet saying "fan made remaster videos look better than this!" First of all, they kinda don't Second of all, you're literally comparing the "remastering" of a 2 minute cutscene to a fully-fledged remaster of THREE FULL PLAYABLE GAMES Give me a break

T2 have proven once again they are a bunch of greedy dumb f*cks. The modding community has been a key driver for "double dip" purchases on the PC platform since the Multi Theft Auto days. They know that, they see the numbers, this is also why PC gets the games a year after consoles for those double dip purchases. So I don't understand why they are attacking us for sh*t like porting a decade old games map to another one of THEIR f*cking games. How the f*ck does the map of VC ported to V hurt them financially or any other way? Do they think people are going to settle for a map port to V over a legit remaster? You know what will lose you money? f*cking with your diehard fans. I'll be showing my disgust by boycotting all T2 future games starting with the trilogy.

Sure hope Rockstar have remained faithful when it comes to the most important aspect of GTA SA - a snail-paced clothing change animation. Ah yes, the legendary minute-long animation of CJ walking in and out of the dressng room evokes memories most cherished, so nostalgic...

sh*t I need this Tommy

They couldn't get Tommy back for the remaster so they had to hire Timmy Vermicelli from Driv3r.

Careful, using that term means you're an incel or some sh*t, I don't know. It's basic common sense, GTA became popular because it was a sandbox videogame developed by a studio who stood upto PC culture at the time, and this was done through parodying American society and satirizing it. To remove the Confederate flag (and God knows what else) sets a dangerous precedent because going forward, we already know R* has lost its touch that made them so loved years ago, but like you said, the chances of GTA bowing down to PC culture now is becoming higher and higher and I fail to see how that's acceptable. Why did we all play GTA as a kid? Because it was the only videogame where we could brutally decapitate cops, be on the run and get away with mass murder day after day. The stories we played, the characters we interacted with, were all in some way shape or form a representation of American culture at the time, be it a stereotype, a parody, a SNL style satire or anything else. Now with the issue of Phil's shirt, how do we know that this isn't a one time thing? Hell even it is, what purpose does it serve? To somehow make a statement that R* is cowering in their offices afraid of being called racist or some sh*t? The same company that has always gone against the culture? Disgusting. Anyone still having hope for any future R* product going forward are in for a rude awakening from here on out if you ask me. 100 bucks says Candy Suxx is either heavily censored and edited, or removed entirely at this point. Hey R* while you're at it, be sure to remove all the N words in San Andreas and racist jokes too okay? Don't want to offend those on Twitter or Reddit!

CJ was even aware of COVID protocols.

Thing is, they don't look like this in the actual screenshot. Sounds like footage from different platforms or stages of development to me:

This comparison video really shows how much more cartoony the remaster (not to mention the awful character models and ruining the original's atmosphere) is but fanboys will still deny it and simp for Rockstar. This is a low effort remaster

Oh god yeah, there was a lot of debate about that. I was also looking back at when people gave a GTA V screenshot so much sh*t because the bushes by Michael's house, in people's words, "looked like menhirs" Among many other things...

nice! can someone translate this to english?

Sooner or later, the hornies would reveal themselves...and you will be a trouble maker i see... Get in.

What is wrong with can be summed in one scene that they recreated in DE trailer. I mean that scene with helicopters over Vinewood sign. In OG trailer if feels phenomenal, they made everything so lifelike in 2004 it was huge step in gaming. Just epic scene for epic trailer of masterpiece of game. In 2021 it feels like cheap chrome toys hovering over Barbie world with cardboard sign. I cannot express how miserable and cheap this looks. This aint remaster its demaster. People talking how this is actually good baffles me. They probably never spend months of real life in these games like me.Playing it with small pauses from 2002 to this days. People praising how cartoonish way is actually good move. Unbelievable... These games were actually real as possible in supposed years of release... Im probably really missing something and I cant come up what it is...

This is very cool:

Many are wondering if Claude and Tommy will be able to swim... Well it certainly looks promising as blow moulded plastic is very buoyant.. They certainly won't sink!

So taking all details from Ken Rosenberg model from OG game and making him looks like plastic figurine is good move? Making Tommy, that feels like proper badass in OG game that was 15 years in prison, Barbie doll that cannot handle anything? These countless polygons really did justice to them .

Don't think you want *those* vacations