|QUOTE (sivispacem @ Wednesday, May 8 2013, 17:37)|
| I'm pressed for time and will respond to the rest of your post as and when I can, but I just wanted to start with this:|
That's sort of my point, though. I'm aware that US institutions don't admit on a the same basis as European ones, but the fact remains that the three examples you have used are institutions that specialise in STEM subjects. You would expect a disproportionately high number of Asian students amongst them as the Asian minority is over-represented in technical disciplines due to cultural factors. I still maintain that whilst the correlation is compelling, it doesn't represent evidence of direct causality. What I would be interested to know is if the same statistics were borne out of a wider group of public universities which lacked AA provisions but which also tend to have reputations as institutions for the study of humanities and social sciences. I don't think you can make the conclusion you are making from these statistics without factoring institutions which cater predominantly for people studying non-STEM subjects- because without doing so you aren't actually properly representing the higher education landscape.
Oh, and your quote is broken because the [/b] is inside the end quote bracket.
I apologize for not responding earlier. Was getting my university stuff together!
I see you noted 'cultural factors' as the reason Asian students are under-represented in non-STEM fields. Can you blame competitive and high achieving students for wanting a chance at a job that pays handsomely? I'm sorry, but this is reality. Getting a degree in basket weaving will not pay the bills. Many smart students, from what I've observed, are vying for jobs in investment banking, corporate law, medicine, dentistry, venture capital among others.STEM majors are known to be quite rigorous, and thus cater to a cutthroat audience. If we do factor in statistics from institutions that emphasize non STEM subjects, and then analyse the demographics of such an institution, we will more likely than not find out that competitive Asians won't be attending. Simply because jobs in the humanities and social sciences don't pay as well as STEM fields.
You then go on to mention that you "would be interested to know if the same statistics were borne out of a wider group of public universities which lacked AA provisions but which also tend to have reputations as institutions for the study of humanities and social sciences." To my knowledge, institutions like that do not exist. If they do, their might only be a handful. One of the only social science majors competitive students would consider studying is economics (which can also be categorized under math using the STEM acronym).