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Posted 6 days ago

"The ESA's put out a statement on loot boxes and taken a position we support that loot boxes should not be considered a form of gambling in the first place," Zelnick said. "As it happens, it's not a game mechanic we typically use, although we have used it in the past. It's not a primary game mechanic for our titles. But we think game mechanics need to be tailored to the experience, and this can be an appropriate game mechanic. Naturally, we are sensitive to whatever's going on in the marketplace, and we're naturally sensitive to any potential regulatory situation. But I wouldn't say Take-Two expects to be meaningfully influenced by these concerns."

https://www.gamesind...-drive-take-two


I hate this f*cking tool more and more every year
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Posted 6 days ago

Just as I start to have hope that RDR2/O will show change. I'm reminded otherwise...
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Posted 6 days ago

I'm getting too old for this sh*t.
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Posted 6 days ago

"Notorious greedy CEO thinks that glorified gambling mechanics in full priced AAA videogames aren't gambling"

News at 11.
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Posted 6 days ago

EA literally went through a sh*tstorm because of this and this tool still thinks lootboxes aren't a big deal

f*ck the future of gaming man
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Posted 6 days ago

RIP RDR2, thats all I'm saying.
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Posted 6 days ago

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


I told you so but y'all laughed at me where are the r* fan bois protecting their God. Where is your god now?
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Posted 6 days ago

f*ck lootboxes

Anyone who spends money on them is either stupid f*cking rich or just retarded

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Posted 6 days ago

I wish RDO wasn't even a thing. The single player looks unbelievable and I just wish they would leave it at that.


f*ck man...
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Posted 6 days ago

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..
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Posted 6 days ago

This perfectly shows what kind of person Strauss Zelnick is. A money hungry shark who is completly out of touch with the reality and the gaming comunity as a whole.
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Posted 6 days ago

Corporate dickhead is fine with underhanded corporate scams. What a surprise.

Watch as people screech that this guy shouldn't get insulted like in the other thread.
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This might be off topic, but I keep reading about the ESRB adding labeling for lootboxes, and I have to say this does nothing to solve the lootbox problem. That's like walking into a convenience store, pointing at those scratch and win cards near the counter, and having the clerk tell you "those cards are gambling". If you buy and play one of those cards, it's still gambling. Being given a warning doesn't magically change a form of gambling into a non-gambling activity.

 

These game developers are so attached to their precious lootboxes, it's going to take legislation to stop them.

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Posted 6 days ago Edited by DangerZ0neX, 6 days ago.

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

What is stopping them from adding loot boxes? They want in on the Battle Royale craze, and they already jumped on the microtransactions-in-a-full-priced-game craze. They definitely will add loot boxes.
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Posted 6 days ago

Of course the man who rubs his hands is being a greedy sh*t

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Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..


I too just skimmed over it all, but with the 'microtransactions in all future games' thread, it's certainly looking more and more like a good guess, lol.
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I honestly don't know which is worse; the fact that loot boxes implementation is a form of gambling. Or, that the gaming community is weak enough to fall into the trap, enough, to make it not only a "thing", but a profitable one. I don't see anyone here bitching about real life casinos, and minor establishments, offering people a place to gamble.

That's also like blaming the drug seller for all the drug users. People want drugs, regardless. In all my times of dabbling I've never been, nor seen anyone else, *forced* to buy their drug of choice. There is not a dealer alive who has to use the threat, "you better buy my drugs, or else". Drugs sell themselves. Just as loot boxes sell themselves.

If people *chose* not to oblige, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Personal responsibility can go a long way.
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This might be off topic, but I keep reading about the ESRB adding labeling for lootboxes, and I have to say this does nothing to solve the lootbox problem. That's like walking into a convenience store, pointing at those scratch and win cards near the counter, and having the clerk tell you "those cards are gambling". If you buy and play one of those cards, it's still gambling. Being given a warning doesn't magically change a form of gambling into a non-gambling activity.
 
These game developers are so attached to their precious lootboxes, it's going to take legislation to stop them.


It's even worse.

The ESRB is going to add an "in-game purchases" label to any game with purchasable downloadable content, regardless if said game includes skins, expansion packs, in-game currency, microtransactions, lootboxes, etc.

Basically it's completely useless.
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#19

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Straus zeldick strikes again
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Posted 6 days ago

 the definition of a Greedy corporate square. Slowly killing the 2k nba franchise, GTA with online, using sharkcard money to fund new studios. lol 

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I honestly don't know which is worse; the fact that loot boxes implementation is a form of gambling. Or, that the gaming community is weak enough to fall into the trap, enough, to make it not only a "thing", but a profitable one. I don't see anyone here bitching about real life casinos, and minor establishments, offering people a place to gamble.

That's also like blaming the drug seller for all the drug users. People want drugs, regardless. In all my times of dabbling I've never been, nor seen anyone else, *forced* to buy their drug of choice. There is not a dealer alive who has to use the threat, "you better buy my drugs, or else". Drugs sell themselves. Just as loot boxes sell themselves.

If people *chose* not to oblige, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Personal responsibility can go a long way.


All due respect to that, you need to see/experience what an addict goes through, gambling or drugs as to the hold it can have, and certainly with drugs, the often force/coersion that befall many that are being exploited by aggressive pushers.

Look at prison drug life, often you 'do or die' it gets bad.

For many, it is just a side vice we can control, again, both drugs or gambling, but it can have it's dark sides. Some get backed into corners over uncontrolled stuff like that.

Not saying we're there yet. But even legitimately they try to hook you with gambling. Casino's gladly roll out the red carpet for the whales, lol.
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Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

What is stopping them from adding loot boxes? They want in on the Battle Royale craze, and they already jumped on the microtransactions-in-a-full-priced-game craze. They definitely will add loot boxes.
Only thing that can stop them are if some countries forbid it but that probably won't help either, good example is how the Battlefront 2 thing turned out in Belgium..
Most people know there will be some kind of microtransactions in future games so that shouldn't be a big surprise but I didn't think they would add lootboxes, so that's why I asked if they said they would have them.
I didn't think they would change the way they do with shark cards thinking of how successful that model have been for them but maybe we'll see both testobull (shark) cards and lootboxes in rdr2, who knows
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keep it in gta


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Only thing that can stop them are if some countries forbid it but that probably won't help either, good example is how the Battlefront 2 thing turned out in Belgium..

Ironically, Battlefront 2 had nothing coming because they retracted their lootboxes before Belgium raised a case. Overwatch was one of the couple of games that got attacked for having a gambling system, despite the Blizzard's fanboys crying "muh just cosmetics!" on the subreddit.

 

Just because one country has a firm stand against lootboxes, it's just one country, and a tiny one like Belgium of all nations. Had it been a more powerful country like the United States, it would have made a much bigger strike against these corporations, but we all know that's not happening anytime soon.
 

Most people know there will be some kind of microtransactions in future games so that shouldn't be a big surprise but I didn't think they would add lootboxes, so that's why I asked if they said they would have them.

Zeldick is obsessed with the market. He already said he wants "recurrent consumer spending", and that phrase also includes lootboxes.
 

I didn't think they would change the way they do with shark cards thinking of how successful that model have been for them but maybe we'll see both testobull (shark) cards and lootboxes in rdr2, who knows

Why would you think they wouldn't change their ways? All they had before were DLCs for a couple of games, and while they brought decent revenue, it wasn't enough for their oh-so-hardworking shareholders. If they got enough money in a year to fund two games in the same scope as GTA V just by copying the hot marketing tactic of the time, they sure will diversify the ways they can scam players like all the other big developers do.

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#25

Posted 6 days ago

Show Strauss some respect people, the ability to speak entire paragraphs without actually saying anything is a hard-earned skill!

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@ DangerZoneX...

Belgium's one of the leading countries in Europe and has huge political influence in places I believe. Much like my beloved England and UK.

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Posted 6 days ago

like i have said many times in the past, i have no issue with microtransactions, aslong as all items are obtainable ingame for players that choose not to buy microtrans.

gtao is a perfect example of how to do microtrans in a game, nothing is locked behind a real paywall and everything is obtainable in the game whether you choose to buy cashcards, gring for money or dupe for profit, everything is obtainable.
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like i have said many times in the past, i have no issue with microtransactions, aslong as all items are obtainable ingame for players that choose not to buy microtrans.

gtao is a perfect example of how to do microtrans in a game, nothing is locked behind a real paywall and everything is obtainable in the game whether you choose to buy cashcards, gring for money or dupe for profit, everything is obtainable.


This is more about him deeming lootboxes as acceptable and normal than about the existence of microtransactions

It's f*cking sickening
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Posted 6 days ago

The saddest part to me is not that they want to do this. Of course they do. The saddest part is that many here would defend it - even pretend it's a good thing.
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The saddest part to me is not that they want to do this. Of course they do. The saddest part is that many here would defend it - even pretend it's a good thing.

People here will ignorantly defend micro-transactions yet they realize this is too far for them, but if you're looking for people willing to defend every single scummy thing Rockstar and Take-Two do, look no further than r/gtaonline.

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