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Hendrik498
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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by Hendrik498, 4 weeks ago.

In a videopart2 made by the user Its_Kev3nsgaming, himself explains that in the original storyline Ryder might have not been an antagonist. He brings up a lot of good points, including that every single mission Ryder gives benefits the Grove, and that Ryder never hesitates to fight the Ballas unlike Smoke, whose missions were always errands for C.R.A.S.H. Ryder was my favourite character in the game and it always bothered that he was never paid much attention to and practically stopped existing after his death.

 

I think everyone would be interested to theorise on what would've happened to Ryder had he not betrayed the Grove and stayed loyal to them. I'll say, I think in the mission The Green Sabre, he would be injured alongside Sweet, and after being caught by the police Tenpenny would send him to a rehabilitation centre. I think it would make sense for him to have some phone calls with CJ after this;

  • After First Date, CJ would have a phone call with him, promising to free him out of rehab, which Ryder would doubt and find silly.
  • After Yay Ka-Boom-Boom, Ryder would call him to question what he has been doing since his brother's incarceration. Just like Sweet, he would be angry that he hasn't put in any effort for the Families.
  • After Fender Ketchup, a simple "catch-up" phone call where Ryder ridicules Carl's goals and his connection with the Triad gangs.

In Misappropriation, he would be freed by Tenpenny to assist him against the federal agents, since it makes no f*cking sense that Carl can easily kill some government officials without any effort or reaction.  After this, he would make prominent appearances in the following missions.

  • In Vertical Bird, he would be present in Madd Dogg's mansion, where he is constantly annoyed by Maccer.
  • In Home Coming, he would be present with Carl on his task to pick up Sweet and revive the Families.
  • In Beat Down on B Dup, he would be the one to tell Carl and Sweet where B Dup is hiding. And he would join them to him down, and later be fed up with B Dup just as Sweet was.
  • In Riot, he would be with Carl and Sweet while they drive to Grove Street and witness the Riots.
  • After Los Desperador, he would call Carl several times to inform of the information they gathered whenever Carl acquires a certain amount of territories.
  • In the End of the Line, he would organise Grove members to assist Sweet and Carl in cars to pursue Tenpenny.

What do you think? How would Ryder play out in story if he was never an antagonist?

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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by lil weasel, 4 weeks ago.

Ryder could be anything the Author and Director needed him to be.
In a work of Fiction, sometimes a character develops other than the way originally thought.
I will not lose any sleep mulling over the "what might have been". And especially not, the "what originally intended". We have the game and it works for me as it is.

Ryder is a fantasy character in a fantasy world, he collects his pay at the end of the show and goes home.
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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by Hendrik498, 4 weeks ago.

Ryder could be anything the Author and Director needed him to be.
In a work of Fiction, sometimes a character develops other than the way originally thought.
I will not lose any sleep mulling over the "what might have been". And especially not, the "what originally intended". We have the game and it works for me as it is.

Ryder is a fantasy character in a fantasy world, he collects his pay at the end of the show and goes home.

And I'd like to hear what other people would want him to be, what's the problem in that?

 

And you're wrong, Ryder's character doesn't work because he's in agreement with Smoke yet he still attacks the Ballas and does stuff that benefits the GSF, then he suddenly betrays you, and when you kill him CJ never ever mentions him again (he does once, but it has no emotional effect), while in Smoke's death, CJ speaks to him a bit before his death and even talks good about him when Kendl asks what happened to him.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

Coincidentally, Its_Kev3nsgaming just uploaded a video on how Ryder could've been killed. I personally don't care about how he's portrayed in the final game, but I wish we got a cutscene or at least new voices for the mission.

Its_Kev3nsgaming does, however, make good points on Ryder and I'm convinced that he wasn't planned to be an antagonist earlier on in development.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

It didn't see the video but since Ryder is my second favorite GTA character I agree he should have been more present in the game beside CJ until the end.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

I think if Ryder is a good guy in the story, he would suspect Smoke beforehand and try to snitch him to Sweet and CJ. However he fails by getting busted by Smoke or Frank and forced into hiding or getting killed, thus absent from the Green Sabre anyway. If he survived, he would think that both Sweet and CJ is either dead or captured, until he heard about some guy causing chaos to the Loco Syndicate in SF, and finds out that it's CJ. He then meets up with CJ then he would explain all the sh*t that's been going on with Smoke and CRASH and tags along with him in the journey to come, and the rest would be just like the regular game, but with him tagging along in a few non CRASH or Toreno missions (Black Project with Ryder along would surely make an epic Robbing Uncle Sam part 2).

Back in LS however, he decided to split with CJ temporarily during the Madd Dogg events to check things out in LS, then rejoins him when rescuing Sweet from prison and participating in reviving GSF. The trio then crashes Smoke's palace and he would get killed by Smoke, and Smoke getting killed by cj and Sweet, and the rest would continue normally like the original game, but with them mourning Ryder in the end

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Posted 4 weeks ago

In 'The Green Sabre', before the cutscene ends, CJ could've picked up Ryder first, and the he would get the call from Cesar to come and see something.
When CJ and Ryder would arrive, they would see the green Sabre, etc., and then CJ and Ryder would drive to Mulholland parking lot where Sweet was shot.
CJ would tell Ryder to run off, and get help. After he ran off, CJ would shoot the Ballas, and then the cops would arrive, etc.

When The Truth tells CJ that he has to give him the cash, CJ would be left in Angel Pine. He would then receive a call from Ryder where Ryder would explain that, after he saw the cops, he ran off, not to make the situation worse for Sweet's safety. CJ tells him that he needs his help, and then they would rob the 4 places you originally rob with Catalina.

SAN FIERRO:
Ryder would help CJ in eliminating the Loco Syndicate, who Big Smoke works with. Ryder would appear in every mission in SF except for:
-C.R.A.S.H. missions
-Woozie's missions
-Zero's missions
In the end, Ryder would stay with Kendl and Cesar in San Fierro to help them with the garage.
LAS VENTURAS:
Ryder wouldn't appear in Toreno's missions, even though Toreno would mention how he knows that Ryder is alive and hiding in the SF garage.
Ryder would be a part of the Caligula's Casino robbery.
BACK TO LS:
Ryder and CJ and the Triads would fly back to Los Santos, to take back Madd Dogg's mansion. In the plane, Ryder would be scared to jump, but CJ would push him ;).
In 'Home Coming', Sweet would be mad at Ryder for running off in 'The Green Sabre'. CJ and Ryder would still try to convince Sweet to get out of the hood, and move to LV and SF. Sweet would be really mad then, and he'd tell Ryder to go away.
After 'Home Coming', you'd get a call from Ryder. He'd explain that Sweet lost himself, and that he won't work with him anymore. Sweet and CJ would then think that Ryder has betrayed them. In the final part where you have to take over territories, Ryder would call CJ, and tell him where Big Smoke is hiding. CJ would then call Sweet and "End of the line" would start.

In 'End of the line', CJ would kill Big Smoke, and Tenpenny would come and confront CJ. However, out of nowhere, Ryder would appear, aiming his gun at Tenpenny. Tenpenny would turn around and shoot Ryder.
Instead of the building burning down, CJ would have to escape the building in time with Ryder before he bleeds out and dies.
After escaping the building, Sweet would jump on the fire truck. Ryder would tell CJ to go after Sweet, because he needs to get to a hospital.
In the final cutscene, Ryder would appear in the house, in a wheelchair. Sweet would thank Ryder, and tell him that he can come back and roll with the GSF.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

Yes Ryder is a cool dude.

 

Maybe he was purposely meant to be brief - much like people have forgotten about Eazy E.

 

 

Only thing that bothers me is the way he dies. His last words are "I'm a motherf*ckin genius!" Jesus, there could have been a more epic battle between Ryder  and CJ. I wish he went out with a blast instead of dying in some cheap ass boat explosion.

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Posted 3 weeks ago

What this Fascination with Ryder and why do many peoples like him? I didn't even know peoples f*ck with Ryder like that until I join the forums. lol

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Posted 3 weeks ago

I just wanted CJ to wear Ryder's clothes


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Posted 3 weeks ago

What this Fascination with Ryder and why do many peoples like him? I didn't even know peoples f*ck with Ryder like that until I join the forums. lol

And what's wrong with people liking a certain character?

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Posted 3 weeks ago

 

What this Fascination with Ryder and why do many peoples like him? I didn't even know peoples f*ck with Ryder like that until I join the forums. lol

And what's wrong with people liking a certain character?

 

nothing wrong with it. it's just question 


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Posted 2 weeks ago

So, I've been writing something regarding this too, though I'm taking this as base for the rest of the events:

 

Ryder and CJ eliminate the witness and get the pics to the cops. They meet again during King in Exile, this is the moment where Cesar and Ryder become affliated. They also meet during the races Cesar has set up. Next, they meet at The Truth's farm, it becomes apparent that Ryder was tailing CJ after he heard about the weed. So, Ryder helps CJ and Truth burn down the crops and they go to San Fierro.

 

Here, Ryder helps out with the garage and taking down the Loco Syndicate (he's together with CJ and Cesar during Pier 69) but his PCP addiction is getting worse and worse, so the crew convince him to go to rehab. In a new mission, you have to pick him up to some clinic, but you're attacked by San Fierro Rifa members. This way, Ryder disappears during the Desert portion of the game.

 

At the beginning of the casino strand in Las Venturas, Ryder comes back and joins the crew in the heist plans (some missions are going to be much easier due to Ryder taking over a bit of the duties). He also helps out in re-taking Madd Dogg's Mansion from the Vagos.

 

Back in Los Santos, he assists in all missions regarding the 'hood, including Los Desperados. In the final mission he helps CJ during storming the palace. As Sweet and CJ arrive, it's him who crashes the wall with a SWAT tank, however Carl tells him he has to do it alone. Ryder says that he will cover the entrance to the building. After killing Smoke and the building being set on fire, it turns out that Ryder was shot by Tenpenny, but he's still okay enough to go after Tenpenny. CJ tells him that he doesn't want to lose a homie and tells him to get back into the hood and get some backup. The chase portion of the mission will now be a bit different, with GSF guys setting up roadblocks and trying to kill Tenpenny. Ryder himself will give chase on a bike (ninja style!), and it will be him who will lead to Tenpenny's fall from the bridge.





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