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#31

Posted A week ago

did none of you read the article, the songs being removed are also being replaced..


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#32

Posted A week ago

did none of you read the article, the songs being removed are also being replaced..


did you not read the thread, we discussed why thats still a problem..
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#33

Posted A week ago

did none of you read the article, the songs being removed are also being replaced..

Replacing GTA IV's songs with new ones is essentially the same as Greedo shooting first.

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#34

Posted A week ago Edited by Tycek, A week ago.

They will replace songs with static and put the blame on technical problems of Vladivostok FM.

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#35

Posted A week ago

did none of you read the article, the songs being removed are also being replaced..

Replacement is not an option. When I wanted extra songs I used Independence FM.

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#36

Posted A week ago Edited by Zello, A week ago.

My 360 was never connected to the internet so the best way to avoid it would be to take it offline.
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#37

Posted A week ago

If this update is just about the removal and replacement of a good portion of the soundtrack and the ability to play multiplayer I won't install it, I won't even think about it. I didn't even install the latest patch because of mods. I'd rather play my game with the mods I have installed than multiplayer anyway. I'm sticking with 1.0.7.0.

 

It angers me just to think about what Rockstar is doing to their games. It's like they don't even care anymore about their past creations. Vice City and San Andreas' 10th anniversary were already bad, but since I have a physical copy of every GTA I never had to deal with this sort of situation - except on mobile but I don't play them that much anyway. Now what's next? In 2023 GTA V will suffer from this as well? Same goes for III/Vice City/San Andreas/IV's 20th anniversaries? and so on?

 

Are other games affected by this? Or is it only a Rockstar kind of thing to remove songs from a 10 year old game due to expired licenses?

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Posted A week ago Edited by Hmmm nice bike, A week ago.

They will replace songs with static and put the blame on technical problems of Vladivostok FM.

To be fair, that might actually be more realistic! Real life radio stations like Vladivostok FM are not usually high power radio stations and you wouldn't hear much but static outside of the area they broadcast from anyway.

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#39

Posted A week ago

Are other games affected by this? Or is it only a Rockstar kind of thing to remove songs from a 10 year old game due to expired licenses?

Every form of media is affected by this. It's illegal to distribute anything with unlicensed music: video-games, movies, TV shows, etc, you name it. Alan Wake, a 2010 game, was pulled out of sale last year because the license for its songs expired after a 7-year contract and they couldn't legally sell it anymore, what changes here is Rockstar/T2's way of dealing with it. Instead of removing GTA IV from Steam and pulling it off the shelves, they just remove the songs which licenses expire. This might clear somethings.

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Posted A week ago

Its a good thing I never got rid of my loyal old console.
No internet, no removal, no problem.
Dusting it off to install both Eolc & IV.
Last thing I want to hear & I cannot be the only coherent one here when I say, I dont need to hear teenagers poppy catchy cute fake house music or tiesto, or any annoying hip hop sounds that have no lyrical meaning. Nah, I wont allow that walking piece of mediocrity in my game. So R*, 🖕🏽 U.

My apologies for my venting and in the process having a solution.
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#41

Posted A week ago

Oh no, they're killing Vladivostok FM?

That's my favorite radio on EFLC!!!

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#42

Posted A week ago

Oh no, they're killing Vladivostok FM?

That's my favorite radio on EFLC!!!

Well,not exactly.It'll stay,but most of the songs will be removed and replaced with trash 'music' instead.


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#43

Posted A week ago

 

Oh no, they're killing Vladivostok FM?

That's my favorite radio on EFLC!!!

Well,not exactly.It'll stay,but most of the songs will be removed and replaced with trash 'music' instead.

 

Blonded Liberty City 97.8 FM incoming! What a good way to celebrate 10th anniversary!!

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#44

Posted A week ago

Copyrights, not even once.

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Posted A week ago Edited by Lock n' Stock, A week ago.

This is a f*cking joke right? How hard is it to just renew the licenses? Unfortunately for them, I WON'T be installing any firmware update of GTA IV and EFLC that they force on us later this month. Those "new songs" can jog the f*ck on.

 

Rockstar and Take-Two are a joke.

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Posted A week ago

This is a f*cking joke right? How hard is it to just renew the licenses? Unfortunately for them, I WON'T be installing any firmware update of GTA IV and EFLC that they force on us later this month. Those "new songs" can jog the f*ck on.

 

Rockstar and Take-Two are a joke.

Exactly. GTA San Andreas had 17 removed songs, and according to the link I posted earlier, each license coasts between $5.000 and $30.000, so Rockstar would have to spend between $85.000 and $510.000 to renew all songs. How many seconds of Shark Card sales would they have to wait to get this money?

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#47

Posted A week ago Edited by Scaglietti, A week ago.

This is a f*cking joke right? How hard is it to just renew the licenses? Unfortunately for them, I WON'T be installing any firmware update of GTA IV and EFLC that they force on us later this month. Those "new songs" can jog the f*ck on.
 
Rockstar and Take-Two are a joke.

Exactly. GTA San Andreas had 17 removed songs, and according to the link I posted earlier, each license coasts between $5.000 and $30.000, so Rockstar would have to spend between $85.000 and $510.000 to renew all songs. How many seconds of Shark Card sales would they have to wait to get this money?
http://gtaforums.com...t-product-ever/

Spending that much money with how much profit they've made would be like spending 10 bucks.

:sigh:

Also do you mean commas or periods? Use commas next time if it's thousands. Otherwise use two 0's instead of three.

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#48

Posted A week ago

I don't realize why they never have to do this with movies but they always have to remove songs from games. Nobody is being forced to go back and remove music from classic movies but every GTA has had music removed after a while.

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Posted A week ago

Also do you mean commas or periods? Use commas next time if it's thousands. Otherwise use two 0's instead of three.

Yeah, those are thousands. I wouldn't expect the license for a song to cost $5 or we'd be seeing a lot less royalty-free music. Screw math for not even being the same around the world.

 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if 99,9% of that money went straight into Strauss' bank account.

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I don't realize why they never have to do this with movies but they always have to remove songs from games. Nobody is being forced to go back and remove music from classic movies but every GTA has had music removed after a while.

Because they're not as greedy. Movie companies might be greedy but not as greedy as R* and Take Two. For example every time Miami Vice was released on different form (DVD and Blu-ray) they had to secure the rights to use licensed music. And that series has tons of (good) music. Somehow that series was released every time with original music intact even if some fans were sceptical about it. So there you go.

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#51

Posted A week ago

One of the reasons physical > digital. Boxed 1.0.7.0/1.1.2.0 here.

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#52

Posted A week ago

 

Also do you mean commas or periods? Use commas next time if it's thousands. Otherwise use two 0's instead of three.

Yeah, those are thousands. I wouldn't expect the license for a song to cost $5 or we'd be seeing a lot less royalty-free music. Screw math for not even being the same around the world.

 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if 99,9% of that money went straight into Strauss' bank account.

 

I wouldn't be this mad about their decision if gta online looked and felt like take two was spending their income wisely. Probably did help Strauss buy a Bentley and a multimillion dollar house while screwing over loyal customers.

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#53

Posted A week ago

 

Are other games affected by this? Or is it only a Rockstar kind of thing to remove songs from a 10 year old game due to expired licenses?

Every form of media is affected by this. It's illegal to distribute anything with unlicensed music: video-games, movies, TV shows, etc, you name it. Alan Wake, a 2010 game, was pulled out of sale last year because the license for its songs expired after a 7-year contract and they couldn't legally sell it anymore, what changes here is Rockstar/T2's way of dealing with it. Instead of removing GTA IV from Steam and pulling it off the shelves, they just remove the songs which licenses expire. This might clear somethings.

 

Most sensible response. There's also the possibility these contracts are not renewable.

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#54

Posted A week ago

 

I don't realize why they never have to do this with movies but they always have to remove songs from games. Nobody is being forced to go back and remove music from classic movies but every GTA has had music removed after a while.

Because they're not as greedy. Movie companies might be greedy but not as greedy as R* and Take Two. For example every time Miami Vice was released on different form (DVD and Blu-ray) they had to secure the rights to use licensed music. And that series has tons of (good) music. Somehow that series was released every time with original music intact even if some fans were sceptical about it. So there you go.

 

I have always defended R but if it's a case of them just not wanting to pay then that is greedy. They can't use some of that shark card money to keep the music intact? If they did that and even bought back as much of the 3D era music as possible do they know how much good PR that would buy them?


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#55

Posted A week ago

 

"Say what you want about Americans but we understand capitalism. You buy yourself a product and you get what you pay for..."

 

Seems like R* is forgetting that. What kind of asshats write this and then do exactly opposite. But then again R* is not originally an American company, so it obviously doesn't apply to them. T2 on the other hand is.

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#56

Posted A week ago

And pirates superiority prevails again. (sadly). As developers keep acting like this it only gives people less and less of a reason to buy games. (hence why many 'fresh' games force you to use internet connection even when they're single player)

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#57

Posted A week ago

This is a f*cking joke right? How hard is it to just renew the licenses? Unfortunately for them, I WON'T be installing any firmware update of GTA IV and EFLC that they force on us later this month. Those "new songs" can jog the f*ck on.
 
Rockstar and Take-Two are a joke.

Exactly. GTA San Andreas had 17 removed songs, and according to the link I posted earlier, each license coasts between $5.000 and $30.000, so Rockstar would have to spend between $85.000 and $510.000 to renew all songs. How many seconds of Shark Card sales would they have to wait to get this money?
Oh yeah, GTA V only made $6 billion USD and Shark Card sales have been (unfortunately) profitable. Half a million to renew licenses is small peanuts! What are they gonna do with these games in another 10 years or so when the other licenses gradually start to expire? Add a Spotify feature to make up for it?
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#58

Posted A week ago

https://kotaku.com/r...s-to-1825159152

“Due to music licensing restrictions, we are required to remove certain songs from the in-game soundtrack of Grand Theft Auto IV and its Episodes, in particular a large portion of the Russian pop station, Vladivostok FM,” 
 
You stupid motherf*ckers 
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#59

Posted A week ago

Maybe they don't want any Russian vibes in a HD remake. Give the fans a story about copyright, and say, "Hey it's not us, it's the Russians."

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#60

Posted A week ago

Rockstar has a support article now regarding the coming update - nothing more than what has already been revealed.

Question: Are There In-game Soundtrack Changes Coming to GTAIV and its Episodes?

Answer: Due to music licensing restrictions, we are required to remove certain songs from the in-game soundtrack of Grand Theft Auto IV, the episodes The Lost and Damned & The Ballad of Gay Tony, as well as the collection Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City. These soundtrack changes include a large portion of the Russian pop station, Vladivostok FM. While this means that some songs are being removed, we will be updating the station with a new set of songs.
We will be updating this article with information regarding these soundtrack changes as soon as it is available.

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