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#1

Posted A week ago

Not whining or hating, just stating: the practice of obsessively pulling threads off the main forum page is dumb, and detrimental to both the poster and forum readers.

The sub-forums on this page get zero page views: look at the guides or vehicle page and three or four posts in you'll see threads that haven't been responded to in weeks because they've been consigned to the subforum graveyard.

This obviously bad for the poster who wants feedback on which car is better to race with or which bunker is the best to buy. Its also bad for us forum readers who enjoy browsing different topics- when such threads are religously targeted and removed, we're left with nothing but the same five boring threads at the top of the main forum. Oh boy, should I read more about how gtaforums feels about youtubers or browse the bitch and moan topic for the millionth time?

No thanks. I know mods are just looking to keep things clean and organized, but the result is that all community engagement is focused on the same five threads, while engagement is driven down for everything else. By all means move a thread once its run its course, but at least give these threads a chance to get some eyes on them. Ideally I'd like to see a 24 lock on threads being moved- if the community really doesnt want to see them, they wont get responded to.
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Posted A week ago

Mods, move to bitch and moan pls, kthx.

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Posted A week ago

Mods, move to bitch and moan pls, kthx.


Again, not complaining, inviting discussion, but this attitude is exactly what I'm opposed to.
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Posted A week ago

If you browsed the B&M topic enough you would have known this belongs there.

Talk about the Doomsday Heist? Doomsday subforum.
Talk about vehicles (specific one or in general)? Vehicles subforum.

Mods, move to bitch and moan pls, kthx.


Again, not complaining, inviting discussion, but this attitude is exactly what I'm opposed to.
No, you are complaining. Just because you prefaced your post that you aren’t, you are.
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Posted A week ago

Asking what better to buy and posting how cool pump shotgun in a new topic just weird. People who know things you interested for are usually appear in specific threads related to subject, and there's better chance to find information instead of trolling. My first thought when I registered here.


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Posted A week ago

Agree, this forum went downhill since that change.. wasn't thought out well and executed by someone that didn't use the forum imho

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Posted A week ago

Asking what better to buy and posting how cool pump shotgun in a new topic just weird. People who know things you interested for are usually appear in specific threads related to subject, and there's better chance to find information instead of trolling. My first thought when I registered here.


This is definitely how its suppossed to work, in theory, but in practice I find it just kills the diversity of what gets discussed. Try posting something in the vehicles or guides subthread- all you'll get is crickets. I know from my personal habit that I always come to the main forum first, and thats usually the only stop I make. Take for example my "Akula or Hunter" thread (needed some feedback as I've been out of GTA for about a year). I got some great responses before it got moved, and it seemed to be a topic the community enjoyed and engaged in. Why essentially delete it? Whats the downside to having that on the main thread?
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#8

Posted A week ago Edited by RedDagger, A week ago.

The general idea behind subforums is that they're for the people who care about the subforum theme - for example, the people who reply earnestly to help & support threads generally check that subforum, whereas if the thread is posted in the main section it'll get more posts, sure, but a lot of the time those posts don't actually help the OP. Another example is with the vehicles subforum - the main forum used to be filled with vehicle threads and those who mostly wanted to talk about vehicles, so they got an subforum dedicated to vehicles to let more general discussion threads breath in the main section. Most of the people who like talking about vehicles are gonna be using that section, so you're not really missing any proper posts by having vehicle-related threads there.

In addition, moved threads still appear where they were originally posted, they just can't get bumped. So you still get some traffic from the main section.

We really can't have subforum-specific posts encouraged to be posted in the main section then moved after a time period, because that nullifies all the reasons for subforums existing, and it gets flooded with same-y meh posts again. The main section doesn't need dozens of vehicle suggestion threads every week ;)

As for "forum readers who enjoy browsing different topics", just browse the subforums as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

We're always open for feedback on how stuff is managed though, so if you have any suggestions on what to do with subforums, feel free to resurrect the sh*t out of this thread I guess or just keep using this one idk

Take for example my "Akula or Hunter" thread (needed some feedback as I've been out of GTA for about a year). I got some great responses before it got moved, and it seemed to be a topic the community enjoyed and engaged in. Why essentially delete it? Whats the downside to having that on the main thread?


It's still getting responses though, it's not exactly going to get a mass of discussion considering what type of thread it is. I know it's a pretty hand-wavey response, but a lot of these threads get posted, having a page of responses is pretty alright there honestly.
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Posted A week ago

If you get enough lackeys to support you OP, you can move mountains around here.

Maybe identify as a Main-Forumetrosexual? Start a petition?

Keep saying meh or ui ui ui?

Be very passive aggressive? While claiming to not want to argue?

Or just bash Shadow Ops.

Profit.
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Posted A week ago

move this to a subforum!

i am joking! i think that other guy was joking too. you know, black humor is like food, not everybody has it.

back to topic: i think the general structure of every internet forum is bad, very very bad! i mean we are capable if visualizung worlds in games, but when it comes to text, nothing has ever changed! you can only see a small part of all those threads and you need to dig hard or look at thousands of pages (b&m thread) to get some descent info out of it.
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Posted A week ago

We're open to better alternatives, if it actually works.

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Posted A week ago Edited by Bloodytears1666, A week ago.

 

Asking what better to buy and posting how cool pump shotgun in a new topic just weird. People who know things you interested for are usually appear in specific threads related to subject, and there's better chance to find information instead of trolling. My first thought when I registered here.


This is definitely how its suppossed to work, in theory, but in practice I find it just kills the diversity of what gets discussed. Try posting something in the vehicles or guides subthread- all you'll get is crickets. I know from my personal habit that I always come to the main forum first, and thats usually the only stop I make. Take for example my "Akula or Hunter" thread (needed some feedback as I've been out of GTA for about a year). I got some great responses before it got moved, and it seemed to be a topic the community enjoyed and engaged in. Why essentially delete it? Whats the downside to having that on the main thread?

 

 

Man, this thread you mention for example me personally don't understand. If you will come to Akula thread and ask specific questions bothers you, I can help, I check this topic daily multiply times. But looking at the sky and decide what helicopter is better in no purpose is waste of time. No one will tell you what is better, unless you understand for yourself what do you need. People who use those aircraft could be different.

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#13

Posted A week ago

Without subforums this place would be a mess.

When i want to check some information about new vehicles or specific stuff I know exactly where to look at it and I will find it quite fast. Imagine every post on the main page. If everything would be posted in the main page it would be quite difficult to check for example picture of vehicles as there would be a ton of Threads between the one you are looking for. 

It´s much more organized like it is. Take 5 minutes and try to understand the system. You will notice that it is the better solution.

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Posted A week ago

The general idea behind subforums is that they're for the people who care about the subforum theme - for example, the people who reply earnestly to help & support threads generally check that subforum, whereas if the thread is posted in the main section it'll get more posts, sure, but a lot of the time those posts don't actually help the OP. Another example is with the vehicles subforum - the main forum used to be filled with vehicle threads and those who mostly wanted to talk about vehicles, so they got an subforum dedicated to vehicles to let more general discussion threads breath in the main section. Most of the people who like talking about vehicles are gonna be using that section, so you're not really missing any proper posts by having vehicle-related threads there.

In addition, moved threads still appear where they were originally posted, they just can't get bumped. So you still get some traffic from the main section.

We really can't have subforum-specific posts encouraged to be posted in the main section then moved after a time period, because that nullifies all the reasons for subforums existing, and it gets flooded with same-y meh posts again. The main section doesn't need dozens of vehicle suggestion threads every week ;)

As for "forum readers who enjoy browsing different topics", just browse the subforums as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

We're always open for feedback on how stuff is managed though, so if you have any suggestions on what to do with subforums, feel free to resurrect the sh*t out of this thread I guess or just keep using this one idk

Take for example my "Akula or Hunter" thread (needed some feedback as I've been out of GTA for about a year). I got some great responses before it got moved, and it seemed to be a topic the community enjoyed and engaged in. Why essentially delete it? Whats the downside to having that on the main thread?

It's still getting responses though, it's not exactly going to get a mass of discussion considering what type of thread it is. I know it's a pretty hand-wavey response, but a lot of these threads get posted, having a page of responses is pretty alright there honestly.

I appreciate the feedback- you make good points. Again, I do think the idea of subforums is great in theory, for the reasons you mentioned. All I can say is that, in practice, your post is ignored if you post to a subforum or as a reply to say, a vehicle specific thread. I'm just not sure if this community is properly wired to actually use the forum as intended.

If you browsed the B&M topic enough you would have known this belongs there.

Talk about the Doomsday Heist? Doomsday subforum.
Talk about vehicles (specific one or in general)? Vehicles subforum.

Mods, move to bitch and moan pls, kthx.

Again, not complaining, inviting discussion, but this attitude is exactly what I'm opposed to.
No, you are complaining. Just because you prefaced your post that you arent, you are.

Lol, glad you can decide my intentions for me. People like you are what make me prefer the gta reddit to here.

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Posted A week ago

We're open to better alternatives, if it actually works.

How about coming up with something better than the b&m thread.

Why are we hiding all the issues in this game in one thread?

Maybe if we had more issue specific threads R may actually fix some of this crap if it gets enough attention.

Hiding all the issues is a horrible idea.

This game is in some serious need of fixing. Hiding the issues will never solve anything.

Everytime someone has a complaint or problem its go to the b&m thread. Thats bullsh*t.

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Posted A week ago

 

We're open to better alternatives, if it actually works.

How about coming up with something better than the b&m thread.

Why are we hiding all the issues in this game in one thread?

Maybe if we had more issue specific threads R may actually fix some of this crap if it gets enough attention.

Hiding all the issues is a horrible idea.

This game is in some serious need of fixing. Hiding the issues will never solve anything.

Everytime someone has a complaint or problem its go to the b&m thread. Thats bullsh*t.

 

 

I wouldn't mind introducing a board for that if there was enough interest from the community. 

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Posted A week ago

The subforums are good to keep this place nice and tidy, otherwise it would get flooded with the same old topics again and again.

But of course there's always room for improvement. The main section for example could use a little help topic, which points to the rather important topics around here and gives some directions on what belongs where.

Also could someone please update the Appreciation Thread Index & other Hot Topics topic with the Doomsday vehicles? I know that such topic with links can be found in the Doomsday section, but I don't think it belongs there and noone is ever going to look for it there. I'm we already have a central topic with all these links and yet they are getting scattered again.


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Posted A week ago Edited by R3CON, A week ago.

I agree with you OP, the logic behind subforums is flawed. Compartmentalizing things into endless subforums and redundant conversations is some how viewed as easier to manage. But most people on the forums prefer the status quo so there's that.

This thread should be merged with the other one, instead of locked or deleted.

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#19

Posted A week ago

Everytime someone has a complaint or problem its go to the b&m thread. Thats bullsh*t.

Personally I redirect to the B&M thread when a thread is just a rant/isn't there for any discussion - those threads often don't really do much so there isn't much point having them amongst all the discussion threads. A feedback subforum would be p nice though, considering the B&M thread is the second biggest behind the DLC one.

Also could someone please update the Appreciation Thread Index & other Hot Topics topic with the Doomsday vehicles? I know that such topic with links can be found in the Doomsday section, but I don't think it belongs there and noone is ever going to look for it there. I'm we already have a central topic with all these links and yet they are getting scattered again.

Probably a good idea to PM the creator of that thread to give 'em a little nudge.
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Posted A week ago Edited by StangOne50, A week ago.

 

 

We're open to better alternatives, if it actually works.

How about coming up with something better than the b&m thread.
Why are we hiding all the issues in this game in one thread?
Maybe if we had more issue specific threads R may actually fix some of this crap if it gets enough attention.
Hiding all the issues is a horrible idea.
This game is in some serious need of fixing. Hiding the issues will never solve anything.
Everytime someone has a complaint or problem its go to the b&m thread. Thats bullsh*t.
 
 
I wouldn't mind introducing a board for that if there was enough interest from the community. 
 
Hm well the b&m thread has over 50k replies so I would say there would be some interest there.
I mean I know there is the help section but it just does not seem to get enough attention.
For example I see alot of threads lately about this missing ammo issue, its a pretty big problem imo as many players are getting screwed. For things like this we should have a dedicated thread, even a pinned thread where people could easily find and post. There is probably 10 threads 1-2 pages long and god knows how many posts about it in the b&m thread about this. If we had all those threads and posts together then we may have something to bring forth to R and they may actually do something about it.
Even something simple like having weekly pinned issue specific threads I think would help to get some of the issues more out in the open and gain more attention from R.

How about making changes in the help section. The first page could consist of 5 or 10 pinned threads about the biggest issues we have. This way we dont have 10 scattered threads about the same issue. And if people do start new threads they can be merged into the correct issue thread. Each issue specific thread can also have a linked petition to go with it.

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Posted A week ago

I was obviously joking, but this IS the exact kind of crappy thread that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GTA ONLINE and should be moved someplace for the vast majority of us who log on and want to quickly browse the first page for any interesting content while not having to filter out pointless sht like this. 

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I was obviously joking, but this IS the exact kind of crappy thread that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GTA ONLINE and should be moved someplace for the vast majority of us who log on and want to quickly browse the first page for any interesting content while not having to filter out pointless sht like this. 

Maybe its crappy to you but to some people, myself included are interested in a better and more organized forum.

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Posted A week ago

If you get enough lackeys to support you OP, you can move mountains around here.
Maybe identify as a Main-Forumetrosexual? Start a petition?
Keep saying meh or ui ui ui?
Be very passive aggressive? While claiming to not want to argue?
Or just bash Shadow Ops.
Profit.


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Posted A week ago

I was obviously joking, but this IS the exact kind of crappy thread that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GTA ONLINE and should be moved someplace for the vast majority of us who log on and want to quickly browse the first page for any interesting content while not having to filter out pointless sht like this. 

Maybe its crappy to you but to some people, myself included are interested in a better and more organized forum.
So a forum without a subforum and everything from A to Z is posted on the same place is a more organized forum? Or if everything is first posted one place and then moved to another place is more organized?
I think it's fine as it is and when I've been on other forums where practically everything is fine I see how good this forum actually is. One other forum comes to mind where every thread older than one month is locked if someone add something to it and they want people to create new threads instead, one new thread about same topic shows up several times a week instead of using the already existing ones. Not saying this would happen here but this forum seems a lot more organized and clean than most other forums I've seen

Can't expect everyone to agree on what's a clean and organized forum and not so this is only my opinion of course
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Posted A week ago

All of this because you need to know right this instant which helicopter is "better"? lol Do some research like the rest of us with a brain. 


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Posted A week ago Edited by StangOne50, A week ago.

 

So a forum without a subforum and everything from A to Z is posted on the same place is a more organized forum? Or if everything is first posted one place and then moved to another place is more organized?
I think it's fine as it is and when I've been on other forums where practically everything is fine I see how good this forum actually is. One other forum comes to mind where every thread older than one month is locked if someone add something to it and they want people to create new threads instead, one new thread about same topic shows up several times a week instead of using the already existing ones. Not saying this would happen here but this forum seems a lot more organized and clean than most other forums I've seen

Can't expect everyone to agree on what's a clean and organized forum and not so this is only my opinion of course

 

There is always room for improvement.

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Posted A week ago

 So a forum without a subforum and everything from A to Z is posted on the same place is a more organized forum? Or if everything is first posted one place and then moved to another place is more organized?
I think it's fine as it is and when I've been on other forums where practically everything is fine I see how good this forum actually is. One other forum comes to mind where every thread older than one month is locked if someone add something to it and they want people to create new threads instead, one new thread about same topic shows up several times a week instead of using the already existing ones. Not saying this would happen here but this forum seems a lot more organized and clean than most other forums I've seen

Can't expect everyone to agree on what's a clean and organized forum and not so this is only my opinion of course
 

There is always room for improvement.
That I won't argue about but I didn't see much potential for improvement from the op and what's written there. This whole thread is more or less b&m and the arguing isn't really leading anywhere tbh(might do it later tho).
I also have to say that OP at least had a couple of suggestions and that's more than I've seen from most of the thread after that
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Posted A week ago Edited by StangOne50, A week ago.

 

That I won't argue about but I didn't see much potential for improvement from the op and what's written there. This whole thread is more or less b&m and the arguing isn't really leading anywhere tbh(might do it later tho).
I also have to say that OP at least had a couple of suggestions and that's more than I've seen from most of the thread after that

 

Yea I wasnt really responding to OP lol I kinda hijacked/went off topic to respond to the mod. My bad


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Posted A week ago

 That I won't argue about but I didn't see much potential for improvement from the op and what's written there. This whole thread is more or less b&m and the arguing isn't really leading anywhere tbh(might do it later tho).
I also have to say that OP at least had a couple of suggestions and that's more than I've seen from most of the thread after that
 

Yea I wasnt really responding to OP lol I kinda hijacked/went off topic to respond to the mod. My bad
I don't think anyone's to blame actually or anyones bad if I can say it that way.
I just stated my opinion and wasn't trying to shut people down or anything if I gave that impression. Some good thing might come out of this if people try and come with suggestions to improvement and not just some arguing over small things that lead nowhere. I'm not saying you're doing that just to be clear
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Posted A week ago Edited by JuniorChubb, A week ago.

I would have thought it was posting things in the wrong place is dumb not the moving of them to the correct place for people to find them...

 

If left un-managed the forum would just become a feed akin to Twitter or Facebook and that is exactly what you do not want from a forum. Arguing that a forum is 'too organised' is a bit like asking why there is so much meat in a butchers IMO.

 

You can just use the 'New Content' link to get all the threads in order with the ones with the newest posts at the top, this way you get what you want and the rest of us can browse a forum as we would expect too.

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