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[GTAO] The Official Anti-grief/Anti-troll/Anti-tryhard strategy thread

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 05:16 PM Edited by Dr.Rosenthal, 21 November 2017 - 10:06 PM.

First, I want to say that I've searched the forums for a similar thread, but only come across those that propose one strategy or another. There doesn't seem to be any thread that sums up all different strategies. Mods, if I'm mistaken or out of line here, please correct me.

 

Ok, so, we all know that it's not easy being a gentleman/-woman in the world of GTA Online. Serious players are more often than not having a hard time trying to play the game because overconfident, K/D-driven brats are given countless opportunities to mess with other people's sh*t and flush our precious work down the toilet using pussy-bikes or spawnkill-machines (aka jets).

 

On the other hand, of late I have come across several sessions with maybe 10 or so participants all doing CEO work, never interfering with each other's business. There clearly seems to be a sort of non-spoken agreement along the lines of "Do to others as you would have them do to you". A golden rule in life, so why not in GTAO? It's a shame that this game doesn't have a better built in system for this that would force overly aggressive players to spend, say four consecutive weeks of playtime being virtually gang-raped by NPC members of each and every gang in the game. Yes, every time they log on they would have to watch their character being assaulted, continuously. Also they should lose all their in-game purchases forever. There's really no limit to what these douchebags deserve. Ok I might be overreacting but you get my meaning.

 

A bit of background:

 

I have always been a cooperative player. Back in 2013 I used to pick people up and go on police-chases, robbing stores and doing getaway driving with complete strangers. For me, that's the bulk of GTA Online and exactly what makes it fun. Nowadays I might shoot down a helicopter if it's chasing you while you're doing I/E work even though I'm not in your organization or on my friends list. I do it because it makes me feel good to do good to others. And I know (and have become increasingly certain from reading these forums) that I am not alone in behaving this way. It's just that the retards cause so much harm online, and seem to exist in every session, so they become somewhat over-represented.

 

It is, always was, and forever will be much more rewarding to retaliate when someone has killed you for no reason, than it is to just attack someone for the sake of doing so or to increase ones K/D ratio (who even cares about K/D ratio?). I often find myself putting myself at risk just to find out whether another player is hostile or not. Most often it costs me my life, and a lot of the times I don't even think it's worth the effort to retaliate. It's a game. Who cares?

 

Anyway. I do care about my business though, and I do care about my hours invested being converted into dollars on my GTAO account. So it's just annoying when someone interferes with, say, me trying to finish Headhunter (said VIP work could take 1-2 minutes depending on the spread - with someone obstructing my job it might take up to 10 minutes which is a terrible waste of my precious time).

 

So, without further ado, I have decided to create this thread so that all seasoned/cooperative/friendly players will find strategies to combat these poor souls who, perhaps due to poor upbringing/mental disabilities/heavy substance abuse/physical abuse or otherwise, exhibit the urge to be a nuisance to others.

 

Ideally these strategies will make way for more Kumbayah-sessions and, simply put, a better GTA Online experience. Plus it's nice to give the finger to R* logic trying to deplete our funds to buy more shark cards. This is saying: "We play the game however WE want." And while it's safe in this regard to be in a "solo" public lobby, it's not really fun to be COMPLETELY alone in a session. Also, the game seems to discourage that because these sessions often have connection issues, which sucks when you're doing free roam jobs/IE/crates whatever. Simply put, it's not ideal.

 

Some strategies:

 

1. Agree between yourself and other organizations to Vote to kick whoever is using a weaponized jet or Oppressor aggressively. Simple: "You're not welcome. Leave." It's really easy too, just message the other players in session and write the name of the one behaving childishly, and they'll immediately understand what you mean and your reasons. They'll probably agree.

 

2. Call Lamar and mug whoever is offending you. Do this as often as possible. However, sometimes the mugger won't be able to reach the target. To counter this, one should call Lamar shortly after said griefer has been killed, making sure that he's on foot so the mugger can reach him. Also the mugger might steal the victim's vehicle which would sting. (thanks "Piro" & "flexcreator" for additional input)

 

3. If someone plays aggressively in an indiscriminate manner, follow them around and be a nuisance to them until they choose to leave (this requires time and patience and is not my first go-to solution, but if all else fails this might do the trick). This advice might however be a way of "feeding the troll" as he becomes the one who controls your activities. In my experience this advice works best with lower rank trolls.

Any victim of this treatment might, and probably will, enter passive mode. But if you're lucky they'll at least think that you're a force to be reckoned with, and thus leave you alone in the future. (thanks to "flexcreator" for additional input)

 

4. Drive your most expensive cars and provoke them to blow it up. When they do, call Mors Mutual, get a new one and repeat procedure. If nothing else it will drain their account pretty good.

 

5. If a player goes passive, set a bounty on them. Highlight them on the radar if you want to keep track. (thanks to "flexcreator")

 

6. You can disappear from the game without quitting the lobby. Off-the-radar -> start a random job, don't invite anyone, set matchmaking to Closed and wait in the lobby. At this point a griefer can't do anything to you - he can't kill you, he can't find you. And he can't waste your time - take a break from the game, do some stuff IRL, drink some coffee. I believe, the game can't kick for being afk in a race lobby.

After 5 min or so, you can get back and take the guy by surprise. A sort of hit-and-run, much better than going passive in my opinion, since it confuses the opponent. (thanks to "flexcreator")

 

7. Just ignore them. This might actually work, as some (maybe: most) trolls feed on your attention. Ignore them, go about your stuff and they'll realize they have no business with you. (thanks to "Mistermilan07")

 

I might add that I much prefer the cheapest possible methods. So no "stickies on my car and go kamikaze"-types of solutions, that's completely out of the question. At the very most I'll waste a few bullets. That's what they're worth.

 

That's all I can think of right now but I know there are plenty more strategies/tips that'll help. Please write out yours below and I'll add them to the list! Together we shall strive to free our sessions of mindless bullies!

 

I'm also looking for a good strategy to distinguish which players are friendly and not - the in-game Mental State is just not even near satisfying, so please advice if you have any ideas on that.

 

Cheers,

 

p.s. Those of you who will say "PvP is in the game's mechanic" just go f*ck yourselves. If you want PvP, go play CoD instead of harassing the true fans of this canon. Or at least, quick start a goddamn deathmatch. Either way you have no business coming near my cars in your jet while I'm doing IE, you spineless sack of peas.

 

EDIT(s): I will continue to update the list above to the best of my abilities and eventually probably remove all the nonsense on my own behalf, maybe stylize all this sh*t and make it a little more concise. Thanks for all the input!

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:53 PM Edited by flexcreator, 21 November 2017 - 07:54 PM.

Nice thread. 

 

2. Call Lamar and mug whoever is offending you. Do this as often as possible.

 

Most of the times the mug won't be able to reach the target.

 

3. If someone plays aggressively in an indiscriminate manner, follow them around and be a nuisance to them until they choose to leave (this requires time and patience and is not my first go-to solution, but if all else fails this might do the trick).

 

 

How often does it work?

 

Most of them are hit-and-runners. A jet player will go passive as soon as you start following him in your own aircraft. This is not very effective and it actually adds to the satisfaction of the griefer  ("Lol, u mad") and further encourages such behaviour. This means, he accomplished his goal. These guys are seeking attention - if you follow them, you give them exactly what they want (I guess?).

 

4. Drive your most expensive cars and provoke them to blow it up. When they do, call Mors Mutual, get a new one and repeat procedure. If nothing else it will drain their account pretty good.

 

 

1) Plenty of those players glitched their money and don't care about the balance

2) Useless on PC, since there is no insurance drain

 

My strategies:

- If the player is killable (unaware of EWO) I just hop in the Jet and try to get as many kills as possible in a shortest period of time. He usually gets frustrated and quits the session.

- Sometimes, a player goes passive. I usually set a bounty on him, highlight on the radar and start minding my own business, but never leave my jet too far away (lol :p). I will take off I soon as see him near the pegasus spot

- You can disappear from the game without quitting the lobby. Off-the-radar -> start a random job, don't invite anyone, set matchmaking to Closed and wait in the lobby. At this point a griefer can't do anything to you - he can't kill you, he can't find you. And he can't waste your time -  take a break from the game., do some stuff IRL, drink some coffee. I believe, the game can't kick for being afk in a race lobby.

 

After 5 min or so, you can get back and take the guy by surprise. A sort of hit-and-run, much better than going passive in my opinion, since it confused the opponent.

 

The ones that hard to deal with are sniper-EWO-tryhards. I usually just get in a fight with them, go off-the-radar and start a random race hoping that it will keep them busy for a while. My character should quit the session without giving a notification to the player.

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 08:07 PM

Yeah nice post
I never shoot first
If they shoot I shoot back and then walk away regardless if i won or lost
I ignore griefers and tryhards. Ignore can make the devil cry.
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Posted 21 November 2017 - 08:52 PM

Nice thread. 
 

2. Call Lamar and mug whoever is offending you. Do this as often as possible.

 
Most of the times the mug won't be able to reach the target.


but when he can its super effective sometimes. Ive seen muggers steal hydras, helis and tanks.

Best way to do this is calling lamar just after killing someone. That way you know they are on foot.
If the timing is right you will get opportunity to:
- kill him again while his on the ground
- kill the mugger and steal money
- proxy his personal vehicle
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 08:43 AM

Does using a proximity mine to destroy someone's vehicle earn you 'Bad Sport' status, or make you liable for their insurance claim?

It seems if I'm standing still with a proxy mine nearby and someone drives up to harass me, that's their own fault.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:11 PM

APC does good if you have a teammate.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:12 PM

Does using a proximity mine to destroy someone's vehicle earn you 'Bad Sport' status, or make you liable for their insurance claim?

It seems if I'm standing still with a proxy mine nearby and someone drives up to harass me, that's their own fault.

 

I have yet to investigate this. I believe the one who uses proxies would be liable to pay the insurance claim and it would add to the Bad Sport status. I'm not entirely sure though.

 

APC does good if you have a teammate.

 

True, the APC is a very competent countermeasure indeed.

 

I got to add, I really, really recommend kicking unwanted players from the session. I usually try this whenever I'm in a session with maybe 5-10 participants and someone insists on terrorizing downtown with an Oppressor or travel across the map to blow up someone else's IE/deliveries. I gotta say it's very, very effective. Other players usually agree with you in wanting to have them gone.

A big plus is that it feels so damn good to slam the door shut in the face of the 'tards. Imagine if everyone always did this. There'd be no chickens picking easy kills, ever.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

Definitely agree with the annoy them if you can route.  I've found when they're in a land vehicle or on foot then using the weaknesses of passive mode is good.  Usually just "towing" police cars into them wherever they go is good to hack them off.  Although I did find driving the pink stretch limo round and round him, playing tunes on the horn and causing NPC drivers to go all over the place around him did particularly annoy one guy who'd been griefing several of us, enough for him to send some angry messages.  Made me laugh.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:48 PM

Best way to avoid getting killed or sabotaging your business/mission is to join or start a lobby full of friendly crew.
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Posted 26 November 2017 - 01:25 PM

I should add that there is a proper countermeasure for almost everything in the game now:

Jets < Explosive sniper rounds, Pyro, Rogue, Nokota, Hunter

Explosive Sniper rounds < Opressor(it's a smaller target and hard to score a hit)

Opressor < Vigilante

Vigilante < Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000

Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000 < Dive-bombing Jets

These are solo vehicles that you can effectively use to counter a griefer without using his own toy.

Now, onto griefers who are double teaming everyone in the same vehicle(driver/pilot + gunner):

Insurgent pickup < AA trailer with flak cannons, MOC trailer, dive-bombing jet, Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000, Opressor, Vigilante(hit and run, rinse and repeat);

APC < AA trailer with flak cannons, MOC trailer, dive-bombing jet, Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000, Opressor, Vigilante(hit and run, rinse and repeat)

Hunter(this one is a tough bastard, so you will need a lot of patience) < explosive Sniper rounds, dive-bombing jet.

Forget about using any homing missiles against a Hunter with gunner, it has chaff and flares which will laugh at your silly missiles.
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Posted 26 November 2017 - 03:00 PM

4. Drive your most expensive cars and provoke them to blow it up. When they do, call Mors Mutual, get a new one and repeat procedure. If nothing else it will drain their account pretty good.

 
1) Plenty of those players glitched their money and don't care about the balance
2) Useless on PC, since there is no insurance drain


This.

I would also be cautious with this for another reason.
If the person who is attacking you is a CEO or MC President they can start missions that disable the insurance while not telling you that there is a job running (unless you try to start a mission yourself).
Haulage is a good example.
So always make sure to check if the troll (or whatever you want to call them) is a CEO, because you could easily just waste your time thinking you make them pay for your cars when you really aren't.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 08:42 PM

Jets < Explosive sniper rounds

 

Thermal vision helmets  + Jets > Explosive Sniper rounds

 


 Explosive Sniper rounds < Opressor(it's a smaller target and hard to score a hit)

 

 

Depends on a sniping skill.

 

 

Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000 < Dive-bombing Jets

 

 

Well, not always.

 

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 10:35 PM

Great info, thanks!

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:56 AM

for all who hate them, can join us fight against those idiot. feel free to request membership into new crew - Anti Griefer United (AGU).

 

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/anti_griefers_united  

 

we wont become hero anywhere in this world, but those who asking for help tend to look upon us.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

for all who hate them, can join us fight against those idiot. feel free to request membership into new crew - Anti Griefer United (AGU).

 

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/anti_griefers_united  

 

Is it the PC crew?


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 07:16 PM

I should add that there is a proper countermeasure for almost everything in the game now:

Jets < Explosive sniper rounds, Pyro, Rogue, Nokota, Hunter

Explosive Sniper rounds < Opressor(it's a smaller target and hard to score a hit)

Opressor < Vigilante

Vigilante < Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000

Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000 < Dive-bombing Jets

These are solo vehicles that you can effectively use to counter a griefer without using his own toy.

Now, onto griefers who are double teaming everyone in the same vehicle(driver/pilot + gunner):

Insurgent pickup < AA trailer with flak cannons, MOC trailer, dive-bombing jet, Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000, Opressor, Vigilante(hit and run, rinse and repeat);

APC < AA trailer with flak cannons, MOC trailer, dive-bombing jet, Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000, Opressor, Vigilante(hit and run, rinse and repeat)

Hunter(this one is a tough bastard, so you will need a lot of patience) < explosive Sniper rounds, dive-bombing jet.

Forget about using any homing missiles against a Hunter with gunner, it has chaff and flares which will laugh at your silly missiles.


Hey bro you seem pretty knowledgeable about this. You should add me
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:38 AM

I always send out feelers when enterings a session.

1. Rob a store
2. Ditch the cops
3. Give out %5 of cut to everyone in session.

Some people text me "I don't need it" or "thanks" or "lol"

Usually the peeps that text tks could be willings to help you out with a heist or sale or anything.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:03 PM

I drive around in a nightshark alot because its basically a mini insurgent and if u upgrade armor its a small chance of dying. I cant really kill the griefer but im safe

APC does good if you have a teammate.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:31 PM Edited by Uknomysteez85, 10 January 2018 - 06:39 PM.

Got one for those who have no real skills so they take "pot-shots" (shooting then hideing off radar/passive/apartment) or are constantly changing CEO to stay in ghost. Just call a akula and stay steath until they grow a pair or quit. Works best if your stubborn like me but the go to is always report for greifing and change session.

Also if dealing with a OTR on foot find a spot with 1 entrance, drop proximitys and equip thermal helmet. If there slow to take the bait send a few msgs and or muggers, they WILL come to you.

I would like to thank the OP on creating this thread. Nice work and useful info


Deluxo has the same highly accurate Homing missiles as the ruiner, great for wrecking jets

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:52 PM

I always send out feelers when enterings a session.

1. Rob a store
2. Ditch the cops
3. Give out %5 of cut to everyone in session.

Some people text me "I don't need it" or "thanks" or "lol"

Usually the peeps that text tks could be willings to help you out with a heist or sale or anything.
 

 

5% of the proceeds from a store robbery lolz , thats one way to make people grief you i suppose haha


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:00 PM

As soon as I see the “Players are voting...” message, usually when I land in a public session that for some reason a group of players have decided is “theirs” then I just start a freeroam job and mercilessly grief them until the time runs out. I wouldn’t have done otherwise but they provoked it by voting.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:38 PM

Man some of these techniques are pointless, usually the troll, griefer, tryhard only feel threatned and leave when there are at least a group of people against them, but the majority of sessions only include lone-wolf randoms and .... to make things worse sometimes there are 2~6 players from griefers/tryhard clans/orgs in a session so .... there are fewer choices or pretty much nothin' we can do.

 

The job/lobby method and the vote-kick method works fine.

 

But .... if we really want to make these guys get out of the session, you need to use the same tactics which they use, sadly ... 

 

The classic FZ Lazer are a nice alternative to solve those problems.

 

The Heavy Sniper MK.2 With Explosive rounds is useful and can disable almost all the jets, including the common Lazer and Hydra, or if you have a nice spot, Helicopters like the Buzzard, Savage or even a Hunter or Akula or light-armored vehicles like the Kuruma Armored.

 

Opressors griefers can be killed with a nice sniper shot, or with the powerful Combat MG MK.2(if they are close enough) but since it became a common thing to these griefers to jump themselfs at the nearest rooftop and spam RPGs, the other possible alternative is engage them with a vehicle with a rocket-spam hability aka Savage, Akula, Nokota, Molotok, Deluxo etc (have always a preference for aircrafts as they can hit the blind spot aka be on top of them and they can't lock on you).... the same thing can be used when engaging a Deluxo, but since some of these guys are at a low-altitude, the best thing is to use the Heavy Sniper MK.2 with explosive rounds.

 

rocket-spam works well against a APC and the Khanjali and against the flyin fuker aka Avenger.

 

The good ol' fully loaded Ruiner 2000 .... can stand against more than 7 RPG's, and this babe can't be locked ... it make the majority or the problems pointless ... all but the dive-bomb jets, well if you are in a hills or a mountain, you can stand a chance against them, but ... as people said is best thing is to use a agile and fast jet to take them down.

 

The cheapest one and least effective is the Rogue it is the easiest aircraft to fly among the weaponized ones ... the problem of the Rogue is the non-rocket spam, yet ... even without this ability, the explosive cannon can be useful ... even if they are imprecise ... it still and can be used at your favor, if you know how to use it, but .. the Rogue, unlike other aircrafts have a trump card with it ... BOMBS, it can be used against on-foot tryhards or some vehicles ... the bombing ability will make a nice damage and change the winds at your favor.

 

The mid-term is the P-45 Nokota, it is the 2° most agile aircraft around, unlike the Rogue, this babe have Rocket-Spam ability so ... considering you are against a fellow jet if you manage to get against these guys ... well ... it is over ... GG ... yet it only have simple MG and doesn't have bombs, so

 

The most ridiculous aircraft around with a extreme responsive control ... this is the Pyro ... among jet players ... this is the best dogfighter around .... it is tricky to control but if you manage to do it ... anything which can be aimed by it's rocket-spam is a almost-certain to kill ... usually the Pyro can be destroyed by other Pyros, or by a very calm and good sniper, which can wait for the best shot.

 

The real problem are the on-foot tryhards, they are quick in use grenade laucher/rpg passive/suicide, so ... off-radar/ghost org on them use mines, grenades and bombs... without a doubt, place a hit to avoid the passive + mugger, but they are persistent and you will always use a mix of techniques to kill them either on-foot or in vehicles, Helicopters like the Valkyrie (even if its lower resistance), Hunter and Akula can be useful against tryhards on-foot or in vehicles if you have a nice cannon/minigun operator.

 

The Akula and it's speed + stealth ability + race controls, it is a dangerous and effective combination against almost all vehicles and players, only a good jet pilot/sniper can take down the Akula in a direct fight.

 

nice utility post by the way.

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