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Posted 16 June 2017 - 06:02 PM

I'm not asking who is your favorite and you would want him in the story. I'm asking who would it suit best in terms of storyline development?

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:29 PM

Franklin, witnessing the back-and-forth bickering of Michael and Trevor and putting out the flames.

Then he could be properly developed like all the other GTA protagonists.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:32 PM

Trevor, we could've actually ran his drug business, I doubt the guy wanted an empire, that seems too sh*tty to be his goal, mansions and gold plated AK47s isn't really a life goal for him. He's in it for the money and the rush, if we could've actually become arms dealers throughout the game then went on to taking scores with Michael and Franklin.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:42 PM

GTA Online protagonist. I kick ass. 

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:10 AM

Its a tie between Franklin and Michael. Franklin could witness the sh*tty story between Michael and Trevor. Michael is the protagonist right now because of how much the story is focused on him.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:13 AM

Micheal probably. He was the first character they came up with and the story is more or less written around him anyway.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:19 AM

Neither of them. How about a new protagonist that players can create. One that isn't a whiny over-entitled cliche-ridden meme?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:00 AM

If Franklin had been developed better, then maybe Franklin. Michael is a close second though.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:57 AM

Story should've been a Red Dead retelling with Michael instead of John. Franklin and Trevor scrapped completely.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:54 AM Edited by Shade04rek, 17 June 2017 - 09:55 AM.

When V was first announced, I only expected Michael, and when the others were announced I didn't care. Michael all the way, however his story and character would have to be a bit better/more developed, as I think all 3 right now aren't too interesting tbh, probably because there are 3 having to share importance and character development time.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:08 AM Edited by Wiseguy94, 17 June 2017 - 10:09 AM.

Neither of them. How about a new protagonist that players can create. One that isn't a whiny over-entitled cliche-ridden meme?

Yeah because that's exactly what we need. A bland, cliche silent protagonist devoid of any personality or character to take us right back to GTA 3........

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:40 AM Edited by B Dawg, 17 June 2017 - 11:40 AM.

Either Packie, Johnny, Terry or Clay


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:07 PM Edited by Yinepi, 17 June 2017 - 02:08 PM.

 

Neither of them. How about a new protagonist that players can create. One that isn't a whiny over-entitled cliche-ridden meme?

Yeah because that's exactly what we need. A bland, cliche silent protagonist devoid of any personality or character to take us right back to GTA 3........

 

Who said the protagonist had to be silent? Saints Row's protagonist(s) weren't silent, nor void of personality.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:19 PM

I always wanted to play as Packie :)

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:33 PM

 

 

Neither of them. How about a new protagonist that players can create. One that isn't a whiny over-entitled cliche-ridden meme?

Yeah because that's exactly what we need. A bland, cliche silent protagonist devoid of any personality or character to take us right back to GTA 3........

 

Who said the protagonist had to be silent? Saints Row's protagonist(s) weren't silent, nor void of personality.

 

You're basically asking for an Online type situation is what I'm referring to. GTA isn't an RPG. This isn't Fable, this isn't Mass Effect, this isn't WoW, and this isn't the Sims. Less roleplay, more stories and characters please. Even if the RPG-style characters weren't silent (which I'm sure they'd be given the amount of options present), this goes against everything that makes GTA, well, GTA.

I agree that GTA 5's storyline is starting to become cliche. R* will probably never have another protagonist as likable as Niko Bellic or John Marston (though Trevor and Michael are decent to me) but the solution is not in derailing the franchise into wacky, dumb RPG territory like Online has done a great job of. Rant over.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:13 PM

So having fully customize-able characters makes GTA a wacky dumb RPG?

 

What the hell are you even talking about? A customize-able character offers only more possibilities for stories and characters, not less.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:44 PM

So having fully customize-able characters makes GTA a wacky dumb RPG?

 

What the hell are you even talking about? A customize-able character offers only more possibilities for stories and characters, not less.

More possibilities for stories? So just cause I changed the size of my character's nose or the color of his/her eyes, there's more room for a story? How is that supposed to work exactly? Not even a billion dollars in revenue can make a system advanced enough to generate a million storylines. 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:32 AM Edited by DOUGL4S1, 18 June 2017 - 02:32 AM.

Franklin: We start the story with him (Prologue not included), he gets involved with Michael and later Trevor (mostly Michael), and we have to do the game's main ending choice with him. Also, I think that some sort of EFLC-ish pack, showing the story from Michael and Trevor's point of view, taking time to develop their characters even more and make more activities that suit them would be amazing, and would make those characters more likeable.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:18 AM Edited by Official General, 18 June 2017 - 03:19 AM.

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:13 AM

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:42 AM

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

So people not liking Trevor must be salty Johnny fans? Trevor has tons of issues, R* didn't know what to do with him so they made him as random as they can. It easy to see why people don't like him but I guess if you want to be naive then I can see why you would label people as "Johnny fans".

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:52 AM Edited by Wiseguy94, 18 June 2017 - 11:11 AM.

 

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

So people not liking Trevor must be salty Johnny fans? Trevor has tons of issues, R* didn't know what to do with him so they made him as random as they can. It easy to see why people don't like him but I guess if you want to be naive then I can see why you would label people as "Johnny fans".

 

The naive are the ones who take him at face value and say "Oh look, a horrible psycho." People like yourself. Then we have the "He killed Johnny boo hoo hoo!" people. When I first played GTA 5 the day it came out, Trevor seemed every bit as terrible as you describe him. That's because I took him at face value. As the story went on I learned that he is a mentally-disturbed individual who was molested and abused in his youth and his coping mechanism (drug addiction) has only fueled his rage and bitterness. 

Trevor is not a sinner, he is a tarnished saint. He had potential to be a decent human being but circumstances throughout his life shaped him into the maniac he is today. He is a deeply-flawed individual far moreso than Michael. Trevor is a textbook example of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He has a fear of abandonment (so he forces people to stay around him), his emotions are out of control, he's prone to reckless behavior and has Intermittent Explosive Disorder (which is often comorbid with those types of illnesses). If you really want to argue a protag with a lot of problems, try Franklin. Franklin is a manipulative psychopath who uses Michael and Trevor to get rich and really has no qualms killing either if you choose A or B. But at the same time, there's a phone call between Frank and Amanda where he says that Michael misses her. This guy doesn't care up until that moment and now suddenly does. That's an out-of-character moment. That's a problem. Same thing with Lamar. Franklin really doesn't care that much and then suddenly does. He even calls and asks Lamar to assist him fighting Merryweather and the FIB just so he can use him for extra manpower regardless of if he lives or dies.
My only problem with Trevor is the By The Book mission. That was unnecessary and poorly-written, thrown into the story just to please the lunatic minority who like torture porns. 

Michael is a typical narcissist, by the way. It's all about him and only him. So we have Borderline, Psychopathic and Narcissistic characters to choose from. None of the three are sane. 
 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:42 AM Edited by Wiseguy94, 18 June 2017 - 12:06 PM.

Back on topic, though, Michael and Trevor both have good storylines. It'd be hard to choose between the two for the plot of a single-protag game. Michael's "I won already but life sucks." situation is amusing and realistic while Trevor's desert empire offers something fresh outside of the city setting of the previous games. Franklin's story arc is pretty bland and dependent on Michael for most of it but part of that might have to do with Franklin getting the least amount of depth and an assortment of contradictions. Honestly, both have a whole host of personal issues and both voice actors completely owned the roles but if I had to choose one protag and their story it'd be Trevor because his offers more adventure. Michael'd have the heist situation and that would be fun but other than that it would be him dealing with his whiny wife and kids one too many times. I wish Trevor had more time to go out there in the boonies taking out other gangs, hillbillies and Merryweather. That would set GTA 5 far apart from IV and the games before that. 

 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:49 PM

 

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 
 
So people not liking Trevor must be salty Johnny fans? Trevor has tons of issues, R* didn't know what to do with him so they made him as random as they can. It easy to see why people don't like him but I guess if you want to be naive then I can see why you would label people as "Johnny fans".
 
The naive are the ones who take him at face value and say "Oh look, a horrible psycho." People like yourself. Then we have the "He killed Johnny boo hoo hoo!" people. When I first played GTA 5 the day it came out, Trevor seemed every bit as terrible as you describe him. That's because I took him at face value. As the story went on I learned that he is a mentally-disturbed individual who was molested and abused in his youth and his coping mechanism (drug addiction) has only fueled his rage and bitterness. 

Trevor is not a sinner, he is a tarnished saint. He had potential to be a decent human being but circumstances throughout his life shaped him into the maniac he is today. He is a deeply-flawed individual far moreso than Michael. Trevor is a textbook example of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He has a fear of abandonment (so he forces people to stay around him), his emotions are out of control, he's prone to reckless behavior and has Intermittent Explosive Disorder (which is often comorbid with those types of illnesses). If you really want to argue a protag with a lot of problems, try Franklin. Franklin is a manipulative psychopath who uses Michael and Trevor to get rich and really has no qualms killing either if you choose A or B. But at the same time, there's a phone call between Frank and Amanda where he says that Michael misses her. This guy doesn't care up until that moment and now suddenly does. That's an out-of-character moment. That's a problem. Same thing with Lamar. Franklin really doesn't care that much and then suddenly does. He even calls and asks Lamar to assist him fighting Merryweather and the FIB just so he can use him for extra manpower regardless of if he lives or dies.
My only problem with Trevor is the By The Book mission. That was unnecessary and poorly-written, thrown into the story just to please the lunatic minority who like torture porns. 

Michael is a typical narcissist, by the way. It's all about him and only him. So we have Borderline, Psychopathic and Narcissistic characters to choose from. None of the three are sane. 
 

Ermm you did good describing Trevor, though I guess there's some speculation in there because I'm sure Trevor doesn't have a Personality Disorder, he is very sure of what he is and remain like that throughout the story, Michael is the one with personality disorder depending on how you play with him.

And Franklin is not a psychopath because he doesn't cause suffering just to amaze himself, he is more like a Sociopath since he just uses others to further himself ahead in his goals and is not afraid to harm and kill to do that.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:08 PM

 

 

 

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 
 
So people not liking Trevor must be salty Johnny fans? Trevor has tons of issues, R* didn't know what to do with him so they made him as random as they can. It easy to see why people don't like him but I guess if you want to be naive then I can see why you would label people as "Johnny fans".
 
The naive are the ones who take him at face value and say "Oh look, a horrible psycho." People like yourself. Then we have the "He killed Johnny boo hoo hoo!" people. When I first played GTA 5 the day it came out, Trevor seemed every bit as terrible as you describe him. That's because I took him at face value. As the story went on I learned that he is a mentally-disturbed individual who was molested and abused in his youth and his coping mechanism (drug addiction) has only fueled his rage and bitterness. 

Trevor is not a sinner, he is a tarnished saint. He had potential to be a decent human being but circumstances throughout his life shaped him into the maniac he is today. He is a deeply-flawed individual far moreso than Michael. Trevor is a textbook example of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He has a fear of abandonment (so he forces people to stay around him), his emotions are out of control, he's prone to reckless behavior and has Intermittent Explosive Disorder (which is often comorbid with those types of illnesses). If you really want to argue a protag with a lot of problems, try Franklin. Franklin is a manipulative psychopath who uses Michael and Trevor to get rich and really has no qualms killing either if you choose A or B. But at the same time, there's a phone call between Frank and Amanda where he says that Michael misses her. This guy doesn't care up until that moment and now suddenly does. That's an out-of-character moment. That's a problem. Same thing with Lamar. Franklin really doesn't care that much and then suddenly does. He even calls and asks Lamar to assist him fighting Merryweather and the FIB just so he can use him for extra manpower regardless of if he lives or dies.
My only problem with Trevor is the By The Book mission. That was unnecessary and poorly-written, thrown into the story just to please the lunatic minority who like torture porns. 

Michael is a typical narcissist, by the way. It's all about him and only him. So we have Borderline, Psychopathic and Narcissistic characters to choose from. None of the three are sane. 
 

Ermm you did good describing Trevor, though I guess there's some speculation in there because I'm sure Trevor doesn't have a Personality Disorder, he is very sure of what he is and remain like that throughout the story, Michael is the one with personality disorder depending on how you play with him.

And Franklin is not a psychopath because he doesn't cause suffering just to amaze himself, he is more like a Sociopath since he just uses others to further himself ahead in his goals and is not afraid to harm and kill to do that.

 

From what I understand, psychopaths are cold and manipulative and sociopaths are hot-headed. Both can be sadistic. Psychopaths are more emotionally cold and apathetic, a lot like Franklin (though he does show some emotion but not the rage that the other two are capable of). Franklin cares the least if he kills or betrays someone. (Trevor would never betray a friend without a good reason to and Michael is full of guilt over his betrayal.)

I'm pretty sure Trevor is the epitome of a personality disorder given he's.....Trevor. I think Michael has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, yeah.

I think Michael is a bad man in denial, Franklin is a bad man who doesn't care that he is and Trevor is a good man who was turned bad by the insane world of GTA. 


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:57 PM Edited by Official General, 18 June 2017 - 03:24 PM.

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

 

Ha ha, just read this. Here is a bit of advice brother - making presumptions about things you are not certain of is a sure way to make yourself look very stupid - which in this case, you've done just that. 

 

* Johnny K is not one of my favourite characters in GTA, he's probably my second least liked protagonist after Trevor.  I thought it was stupid that he died in V, but I was not too bothered as I was not really a fan of his character. 

 

* In fact, I did not like the whole outlaw biker theme in IV, I felt it was very out of place in a New York City setting, and that leather-clad biker gang stuff is just not something that really interests me anyway. I also prefer The Ballad Of Gay Tony over The Lost And Damned, but the latter did have a better storyline.

 

* I don't like Trevor for a variety of reasons to do with personal preferences, that I don't really need to fully explain ( I've done so millions of times on here before ). For me, he's the worst protagonist in GTA ever, and it's definitely not because he killed Johnny K. 

 

 

GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

Really ? Says who ? You ? That may be your own interpretation of GTA, but that does not mean it's written in stone to be the right and only one. I've never heard the game's creators say that GTA was always just about that, and believe me I've read several detailed interviews by the series' creators and they have never stated there this alone is what about what GTA is about. GTA is about many things.  It's very clear to see from playing GTA missions in SP story mode that the gameplay is not just about chaos and poor impulse control - if you really believe that, then your outlook and analysis of GTA gameplay quite frankly is a trifle shallow and one of simplistic, casual fun. GTA has never just been about those things. 

 

Trevor just represents an aspect of GTA, the part where in free mode you can go on a ramapage and leave a trail of death, destruction and chaos - by the playing with him you can make sense of these actions because his character is a representation of wild, out of control psychotic, impulsive, murderous violence and extreme madness. If you had read the interviews with the Housers (creators of GTA) would have read that this was their specific reason for creating Trevor. 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:26 PM Edited by Wiseguy94, 18 June 2017 - 03:34 PM.

 

 

I would like to say Michael, but I just can't see him offering much to the story. He's already rich for most part, he lives in a luxurious suburb, and he's middle-aged - he just won't have much of a reason to be engaging in extensive criminal activities aside from a couple of big scores. I can't see him having a need to enter the drug business or get caught up in feuds with gangs. He just don't seem to the kind that has time and motivation for all that. As for Trevor......just NO.

So I'd say Franklin, even though I don't think highly of him. He's young, a very low-level street criminal with gang affiliations who has a burning desire to move on to bigger and better financial gains from crime. And he nicely fits in between the feud between Michael and Trevor and is the one to determine who dies out of the two.

Was Johnny that interesting that the Trevor haters are still salty this long later? I'd rather play as Trevor than either of the others if I could only pick one. GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

 

Ha ha, just read this. Here is a bit of advice brother - making presumptions about things you are not certain of is a sure way to make yourself look very stupid - which in this case, you've done just that. 

 

* Johnny K is not one of my favourite characters in GTA, he's probably my second least liked protagonist after Trevor.  I thought it was stupid that he died in V, but I was not too bothered as I was not really a fan of his character. 

 

* In fact, I did not like the whole outlaw biker theme in IV, I felt it was very out of place in a New York City setting, and that leather-clad biker gang stuff is just not something that really interests me anyway. I also prefer The Ballad Of Gay Tony over The Lost And Damned, but the latter did have a better storyline.

 

* I don't like Trevor for a variety of reasons to do with personal preferences, that I don't really need to fully explain ( I've done so millions of times on here before ). For me, he's the worst protagonist in GTA ever, and it's definitely not because he killed Johnny K. 

 

 

GTA is about chaos and poor impulse control - like Trevor. 

 

Really ? Says who ? You ? That may be your own interpretation of GTA, but that does not mean it's written in stone to be the right and only one. I've never heard the game's creators say that GTA was always just about that, and believe me I've read several detailed interviews by the series' creators and they have never stated there this alone is what about what GTA is about. GTA is about many things.  It's very clear to see from playing GTA missions in SP story mode that the gameplay is not just about chaos and poor impulse control - if you really believe that, then your outlook and analysis of GTA gameplay quite frankly is a trifle shallow and one of simplistic, casual fun. GTA has never just been about those things. 

 

Trevor just represents an aspect of GTA, the part where in free mode you can go on a ramapage and leave a trail of death, destruction and chaos - by the playing with him you can make sense of these actions because his character is a representation of wild, out of control psychotic, impulsive, murderous violence and extreme madness. If had read the interviews with the Housers (creators of GTA) would have read that this was their specific reason for creating Trevor. 

 

Points made. I disagree wholeheartedly about Trevor being "the worst GTA protagonist ever", though and I'll debate you over that but I was wrong in thinking you were a Johnny fanboy. My bad. 

Personally, I think he's maybe the second or third best protagonist of the entire series. A lot of people will put Niko at the top. I disagree. Niko is a great character for a linear crime game, but in terms of a sandbox crime game he's not inclined to explore, roam around or cause any sort of mayhem. He's just not adventurous. Trevor is...rambunctious, roams the desert nonstop and flies off the handle every hour. He fits a sandbox crime game like a glove. My No. 1 pick would be Michael because he can fill both roles. He can organize and do missions like Niko and go on rampages like Trevor because he has to vent his frustrations with his family and static life, so he takes them out on the population. Franklin is one of the worst protagonists for a GTA game because he lacks personality traits, his only ambition is money (a weak and tired motivation done better in Vice City) and his dog and clothes have more character than he does. 

Trevor is GTA personified. Others have said it and I'll say it. He's got all the bad reputation of GTA and the misconceptions about it rolled into one deranged man who still comes across as likable (Even if you don't think so. You can't please everyone.) at the end of the day because he stands by his friends and he doesn't try to kill them unless he is threatened by them. Unlike Franklin. 

Sorry, I can't help but laugh when you think Frank is a better protagonist than Trevor. As much as Trevor is called a "one-trick pony" for his chaotic personality, at least he has principles and a storyline that didn't put me to sleep like Frank's. 

As for my "outlook", I like to play the storyline and listen to the characters banter back and forth (even Franklin's snoozefest minus Lamar) and switch it up with some chaos. What's the point of all those guns if you're never gonna go crazy with them? That's why my Dr. Friedlander report is always so confused because one hour I'm playing the story and gambling in the stock market and the next I'm in Blaine County fighting the local constabulary. 


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:07 PM Edited by Official General, 19 June 2017 - 07:31 AM.

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Great to see you acknowledged slipping up and finally seeing my points, I respect that  :^: ......now I will respond accordingly. 

 

* Technically for me, Niko is the best protagonist in the series. It was not an opinion I initially had, but over the years, I've grown to see how very well developed, in-depth, structured, and versatile a character Niko is. Personally though, my favourite protagonist is Tommy Vercetti - a no-nonsense, and very ruthless gangster with straightforwardly, extremely high ambitions in the Vice City underworld achieved with stunning brutality and murderous efficiency, along with sound strategic planning too. Simple, but captivating for me - the way Tommy was portrayed in VC was unforgettable. 

 

* Without going into too much detail (forgive me, as I've repeated my reasons for hating Trevor on here many times before), there are too many things I really don't like about Trevor that has lead me to believe he's GTA's worst protagonist for me personally. Yes, he's extremely crazy, mad, wild and destructive bla bla bla - but those qualities really don't impress in a character or draw me in, nor do I find them amusing when laced with cheap slapstick humour, which exactly what Rockstar did with Trevor. In a drunken state, dressing up in women's clothes, bullying vulnerable people, cuddling another man in bed by force and intimidation, always threatening to sexually violate his associates and lackeys when he gets angry, corny, stupid vulgar foul-mouthed jokes and punchlines, excessive loudness and more - not funny to me, it's all pointless stupidity that I don' enjoy seeing one bit. I don't like the look of him, scruffy, dirty, that plays a part too. Ok GTA guys are supposed to be violent, but he just kills people over the slightest infractions, and that don't sit well with me, normally GTA guys are scripted to use violence strategically, which I very much prefer. Like when Trevor kills Floyd and Debra, that was totally unnecessary. I don't care if he's very loyal and stands by his friends either, and even that part was ridiculous - he was portrayed like some b*tchboy that needs extra attention and affection from his homeboys - again, that really put me off. And pathetic scenes of his final goodbye to Madrazo's wife Julia, what a farce that was to me, I just really couldn't take Trevor seriously after that. Bottom line is I just don't like Trevor and I wish I never had to play as him

 

* Funnily enough I actually don't like Franklin much either. In fact, many times, I find him annoying, he's so whiny and moany that I sometimes just wanna mute the game's sound. To me, he's just the best of a bad bunch, only because gameplay-wise, his character profile and backstory suits the exact kind of roleplay gameplay experience I enjoy most in V, which is lowlife street thug to rich hustler. And one important thing - I love the fact that I can play as him to kill Trevor at the end. Other than that, he's a very mediocre and forgettable protagonist indeed. 

 

* I'm very much past going on a crazy rampage with big guns leaving a ton of death and destruction all over the city - I've been playing GTA for a long time now, since III first came out, and the appeal of that has long-worn off, done it, worn the shirt, don't want to be bothered with it anymore. My most favoured way to play GTA leans very much toward a realism-based perspective, as much as I can, I'm more into realism-based criminal underworld roleplay. I mostly use 9mm pistols in gunfights, especially in free roam - the most you will see me use is a Micro SMG or small shotgun - assaults rifles I only use if I really have to. But hey if you wanna see GTA as a game purely for chaos and destruction, then that's still cool on your part, the facts remain that GTA is clearly more than just that, it just depends which aspect of it you utilise and enjoy more. 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:39 PM

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Great to see you acknowledged slipping up and finally seeing my points, I respect that  :^: ......now I will respond accordingly. 

 

* Technically for me, Niko is the best protagonist in the series. It was not an opinion I initially had, but over the years, I've grown to see how very well developed, in-depth, structured, and versatile a character Niko is. Personally though, my favourite protagonist is Tommy Vercetti - a no-nonsense, and very ruthless gangster with straightforwardly, extremely high ambitions in the Vice City underworld achieved with stunning brutality and murderous efficiency, along with sound strategic planning too. Simple, but captivating for me - the way Tommy was portrayed in VC was unforgettable. 

 

* Without going into too much detail (forgive me, as I've repeated my reasons for hating Trevor on here many times before), there are too many things I really don't like about Trevor that has lead me to believe he's GTA's worst protagonist for me personally. Yes, he's extremely crazy, mad, wild and destructive bla bla bla - but those qualities really don't impress in a character or draw me in, nor do I find them amusing when laced with cheap slapstick humour, which exactly what Rockstar did with Trevor. In a drunken state, dressing up in women's clothes, bullying vulnerable people, cuddling another man in bed by force and intimidation, always threatening to sexually violate his associates and lackeys when he gets angry, corny, stupid jokes and punchlines, excessive loudness and more - not funny to me, it's all pointless stupidity that I don' enjoy seeing one bit. I don't like the look of him, scruffy, dirty, that plays a part too. Ok GTA guys are supposed to be violent, but he just kills people over the slightest infractions, and that don't sit well with me, normally GTA guys are scripted to use violence strategically, which I very much prefer. Like when Trevor kills Floyd and Debra, that was unnecessary. I don't care if he's very loyal and stands by his friends either, and even that part was ridiculous - he was portrayed like some b*tchboy that needs extra attention and affection from his homeboys - again, that really put me off. And pathetic scenes of his final goodbye to Madrazo's wife Julia, what a farce that was to me, I just really couldn't take Trevor seriously after that. Bottom line is I just don't like Trevor and I wish I never had to play as him

 

* Funnily enough I actually don't like Franklin much either. In fact, many times, I find him annoying, he's so whiny and moany that I sometimes just wanna mute the game's sound. To me, he's just the best of a bad bunch, only because gameplay-wise, his character profile and backstory suits the exact kind of roleplay gameplay experience I enjoy most in V. And one important thing - I love the fact that I can play as him to kill Trevor at the end. Other than that, he's a very mediocre and forgettable protagonist indeed. 

 

* I'm very much past going on a crazy rampage with big guns leaving a ton of death and destruction all over the city - I've been playing GTA for a long time now, since III first came out, and the appeal of that has long-worn off, done it, worn the shirt, don't want to be bothered with it anymore. My most favoured way to play GTA leans very much toward a realism-based perspective, as much as I can, I'm more into realism-based criminal underworld roleplay. I mostly use 9mm pistols in gunfights, especially in free roam - the most you will see me use is a Micro SMG or small shotgun - assaults rifles I only use if I really have to. But hey if you wanna see GTA as a game purely for chaos and destruction, then that's still cool on your part, the facts remain that GTA is clearly more than just that, it just depends which aspect of it you utilise and enjoy more. 

Niko is arguably the best main character (tied with Michael I'd say and beaten only by John Marston for best Rockstar character). As a protagonist in this series, though, I just don't think he was right for that role. Niko is a fantastic character and he's ready for the big screen, but I just never had a lot of fun playing as him. Maybe it was his squeaky voice or maybe it was his constant moaning (like how you hate Franklin) but I can't see myself returning to GTA IV any time soon. 

I understand that Trevor isn't for everyone and I know he puts a lot of people off and will continue to do so for as long as people play the game, but personally I think his look suits him. People compare him to the Ledger Joker and I agree. He doesn't care how he looks and probably hasn't showered in years (poor women). He's a huge change of pace from his predecessors, that's for sure. That radical, paradigm shift is probably what put some gamers off as well. 

I used to love Vice City for its setting, its large variety of weaponry and its amazing soundtrack and radio stations. But I took a look at a playthrough last month for old times' sake and...well not only has the game aged poorly, Tommy isn't as great as I remembered him being. He comes across as very one-note in that he's a hardass and little else. He bullies everyone else around, combining the aggression of Trevor with the apathy of Franklin and the look of Michael but is strangely only more engaging than Franklin. 

The only thing Franklin does right is street racing, so I guess we're in agreement on him being a weak link.

I too have been playing GTA since 3 was new. I was way too young (didn't know what a hooker was or why my car was bouncing when I stopped) but I was playing a copy I was given anyway. I enjoy the rampages and the freedom. The HD Universe has only amplified the visuals and Euphoria has added cool death animations that make the preprogrammed deaths in the 3D universe look antiquated. If you've grown past it, that's cool. A lot of people change.

Back on the topic, though, the best character in V is Michael to me. I find him as sympathetic as Niko as he's just as miserable, just as deadlocked and yet is rich and successful....but not successful at the same time. 

 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:13 PM

I would say Franklin because he is the most traditional GTA character of the three. He starts as a small criminal and then grows bigger as the story evolves.

Michael, on the other hand, would fit better as a dramatic character, since he has a lot of background, family, personnal dramas etc... but he's already established as a successful criminal, so there's no much room for improvement.

Trevor is just a joke on the rampage GTA player. He's like the comic relief of the three...





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