Quantcast

Jump to content

» «
Photo

Take Two vs. Modding

4,594 replies to this topic
PatrickJr.
  • PatrickJr.

    SFM Artist

  • Members
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2005
  • United-Kingdom

#4471

Posted 04 July 2017 - 07:52 PM

In order to qualify all of the questions we had received during past weeks, we make some explanations:
Unfortunately, we were unable to answer those questions earlier due to real life (yeah we have some).
 
The community
First of all, we want to say "Thank you" to everyone who supported us in this tough situation. We’re very grateful for your support; for demonstration of the fact, that modding community is still a minority, but very vocal, creative and determined minority. You made the impossible and this story is already scribed into the history of PC gaming and the Internet itself.
Yes, this is your victory! Congratulations and many thanks once again!
 
OpenIV and modding
The development of OpenIV will be continued as before. OpenIV never supported GTA Online modding and will not support it in the future. Our work will be continued within the Rockstar modding policy.
 
Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.
 
If you are wondering what is next, well, we are currently revising our plans for the future.
 
 
Sincerely,
OpenIV Team.

 

Glad to see an official statement from you! Can't wait to see what's in store for future updates of OpenIV!

  • Kesha_F1 and spaceshape like this

SMG
  • SMG

    Street Cat

  • Members
  • Joined: 13 Nov 2002

#4472

Posted 04 July 2017 - 07:53 PM Edited by SMG, 04 July 2017 - 07:55 PM.

Thank you very much for finally giving us a statement on what's going on OpenIV Team!

Before anyone asks if "OpenIV Team", who joined "A week ago" is legit. Yes it is, because GooD-NTS has given the post a like and would not do this for a fake.

I was hoping that there would be some commentary about Take-Two/Rockstar response to the situation but I can only assume that there must be some non-disclosure agreement in place and at the end of the day, the OpenIV team who seemed so eager to comply with Take-Two's demands probably wouldn't be continuing if they didn't have some kind of assurance that they can continue within the Rockstar Modding Policy.

Going forward, using Anonymous handles is another good step forward just in case because you never know who's lurking or out to find you.

In the end even though it is a sad loss of ambitious projects like LCinV at least we have some slightly better guidelines on what Rockstar/Take-Two consider acceptable with modding so that we can avoid running into legal problems in the future, and hopefully Rockstar/Take-Two learn a few lessons in dealing with their fans and how they approach these issues.

Is it enough to warrant lifting a negative review? I think it is! We got what we really wanted, which was OpenIV itself and letting the OpenIV Team continue to pursue their creativity (even though it's more limited). And we need to lift the review score so that if we get screwed again in the future we can send the review scores back down, since clearly the review score seems to be the only way to get through to them as a community (I wish they had more open channels).

Maybe a new project could be one similar to the Myriad Islands project from III-era? What do you think about that?

Thanks again OpenIV Team
  • Kesha_F1, MrGTAmodsgerman, Olanov and 2 others like this

zanesix
  • zanesix

    Stupid Malaka

  • Members
  • Joined: 02 May 2015
  • United-States

#4473

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:36 PM

Very sad about LC in V, but I cannot say that it wasn't expected. Hooray for OpenIV!


GooD-NTS
  • GooD-NTS

    OpenIV Lives

  • Members
  • Joined: 03 May 2008
  • Russia
  • Best Tool 2016 [OpenIV]
    Best Tool 2012 [OpenIV]
    Major Contribution Award [Mods]

#4474

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:43 PM

Guys, if in time of crisis you had OpenIV uploaded somewhere please remove all links. OpenIV is available for download from official website.

Also, if you did something to trick OpenIV update, please revert it back.

frazzlee
  • frazzlee

    castaway

  • Members
  • Joined: 15 Jan 2017
  • China

#4475

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:46 PM

< 3 thanks for statement and glad to hear development will continue

  • AboveAndBeyoncé and Sylvain MICHEL like this

MvcGyver
  • MvcGyver

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 16 Jun 2017
  • Peru

#4476

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:52 PM

Liberty City Noo :(
  • comanche93 likes this

Kesha_F1
  • Kesha_F1

    EFO owner

  • Members
  • Joined: 02 Oct 2008
  • Russia

#4477

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:55 PM

Congrats OpenIV and our community with victory above Take-Two «Mod killer» Interactive.

 

I hope guys update their great tool for mod community.


RedDagger
  • RedDagger

    Crash test dummy

  • GTA Series Staff
  • Joined: 24 Oct 2011
  • United-Kingdom
  • Next DLC Thread Page 3000 Winner
    Best Ledby 2016
    Most Helpful 2016
    Quotable Notable Post of the Year 2016 ["sup"]
    Best Crew 2016 [The Daily Globe]
    Most Desperate Campaign Poster 2016
    Draw Contest Grand Prize 2016
    Most Desperate Campaign Poster 2015
    April Fools Winner 2015
    Best General Topic 2015 [GTAForums Newbie Guide 2.0]
    Helpfulness Award

#4478

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:58 PM

R* was never against mods, in fact, they liked the community work even before V and made mods legal in single player. They initialy thought that OpenIV is a source to Online modding, but they still tried to find a way to keep single player modding alive. It's T2's fault, not R*'s

There's little chance Rockstar is completely innocent in all this.

That's f*cking sad. I still don't understand what does R* have against it specifically, since it would benefit all sides.

Probably related to how IP is a finicky little thing, I imagine that most devs at Rockstar would be okay with it themselves.
  • SMG, Tomasak, Jimbatron and 5 others like this

SnH firefighter
  • SnH firefighter

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 03 Oct 2012

#4479

Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:59 PM

 

Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.

That's f*cking sad. I still don't understand what does R* have against it specifically, since it would benefit all sides.

 

yea its sad as hell but its how company's work.. my theory is there will be a 10 year anniversary version maybe? tho it wouldn't be a dlc it would be a full game with eflc in it as well

  • SMG likes this

MeatSafeMurderer
  • MeatSafeMurderer

    Republic of Kekistan

  • Members
  • Joined: 29 Mar 2012
  • None

#4480

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:02 PM

Guys, if in time of crisis you had OpenIV uploaded somewhere please remove all links. OpenIV is available for download from official website.

Also, if you did something to trick OpenIV update, please revert it back.

Done and not yet done (but it will be). Let the fish resume falling from the sky :)

SaveOpenIV
  • SaveOpenIV

    Sign the petition for OIV!

  • Members
  • Joined: 18 Jun 2017
  • None

#4481

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:03 PM Edited by SaveOpenIV, 04 July 2017 - 09:09 PM.

In order to qualify all of the questions we had received during past weeks, we make some explanations:
Unfortunately, we were unable to answer those questions earlier due to real life (yeah we have some).
 
The community
First of all, we want to say "Thank you" to everyone who supported us in this tough situation. We’re very grateful for your support; for demonstration of the fact, that modding community is still a minority, but very vocal, creative and determined minority. You made the impossible and this story is already scribed into the history of PC gaming and the Internet itself.
Yes, this is your victory! Congratulations and many thanks once again!
 
OpenIV and modding
The development of OpenIV will be continued as before. OpenIV never supported GTA Online modding and will not support it in the future. Our work will be continued within the Rockstar modding policy.
 
Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.
 
If you are wondering what is next, well, we are currently revising our plans for the future.
 
 
Sincerely,
OpenIV Team.

We've done it! We've all marked history. We all demonstrated to R* who's boss as we as a mod community, as we too deserve our right to also have our voices heard; not silenced!

You've accumulated 80,154 supporters, including myself & still counting to this day. You all are awesome for what you've created for this community, let alone the unspeakable truth is unspoken in words as what you & your team have done for all of us and I believe you all deserve a beer for this victory even though it's under terms.

 

No victory without sacrifice...

Unfortunately, it has to be like this buddy. We live & we lose.

 

- Happy fourth of July everyone.

  • SMG likes this

MrGTAmodsgerman
  • MrGTAmodsgerman

    Inventor

  • Members
  • Joined: 02 Jan 2012
  • Germany

#4482

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:15 PM

What if the OpenIV converter gets transformed into a Map converter that blocks any GTA IV original map content? I mean for GTA IV Map mods. Will this against the rules?


OhDee
  • OhDee

    Crackhead

  • Members
  • Joined: 18 Feb 2017
  • United-Kingdom

#4483

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:23 PM

Really sad about losing out on a chance to explore LC again, but so pleased OpenIV will live on and continue to be the backbone of the modding community. Keep up the great work, guys! It means so much to so many people! :) 


MeatSafeMurderer
  • MeatSafeMurderer

    Republic of Kekistan

  • Members
  • Joined: 29 Mar 2012
  • None

#4484

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:40 PM Edited by MeatSafeMurderer, 04 July 2017 - 09:42 PM.

Spoiler


I'm sorry...but no. The "nuclear option" is what brought OpenIV back from the brink. Rockstar have done things which bugged the community many times during GTA5's lifespan. Storable emergency vehicles, the de-blacklisting of certain other vehicles, increased payouts, a better lobby system, nerfed OP weapons, buffed UP weapons. Each and every time they have failed to change anything despite all the deplomacy in the world. What happened here is that Rockstar and Take Two learned that they should not f*ck with the people who pad their pockets. Let the reviews stand as a monument...like a statue of fallen heroes in wartime...a reminder of what happens when you try to screw over an entire portion of your fan base. The reviews will recover in time...but they will never be where they could have been...and it will be Take Twos fault...and they know it.
  • SMG, LC-DDM, KevFB and 4 others like this

ikt
  • ikt

    _

  • Members
  • Joined: 02 Oct 2006
  • None

#4485

Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:54 PM

Will all existing functionality keep existing, or will parts of the program be disabled or removed?
  • Automan, MrGTAmodsgerman and Remix1994PL like this

Remix1994PL
  • Remix1994PL

    Maniac of Realism

  • Members
  • Joined: 12 Mar 2015
  • Poland

#4486

Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:09 PM

Will all existing functionality keep existing, or will parts of the program be disabled or removed?

 

Good question.


DeaconX7
  • DeaconX7

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 07 May 2017
  • Germany

#4487

Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:35 PM

Rockstar should just hire you guys. 

  • SMG, Kesha_F1, Jimbatron and 2 others like this

Jimbatron
  • Jimbatron

    Big Homie

  • Members
  • Joined: 08 Jan 2009
  • United-Kingdom

#4488

Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:20 PM

In order to qualify all of the questions we had received during past weeks, we make some explanations:
Unfortunately, we were unable to answer those questions earlier due to real life (yeah we have some).
 
The community
First of all, we want to say "Thank you" to everyone who supported us in this tough situation. We’re very grateful for your support; for demonstration of the fact, that modding community is still a minority, but very vocal, creative and determined minority. You made the impossible and this story is already scribed into the history of PC gaming and the Internet itself.
Yes, this is your victory! Congratulations and many thanks once again!
 
OpenIV and modding
The development of OpenIV will be continued as before. OpenIV never supported GTA Online modding and will not support it in the future. Our work will be continued within the Rockstar modding policy.
 
Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.
 
If you are wondering what is next, well, we are currently revising our plans for the future.
 
 
Sincerely,
OpenIV Team.

 

Welcome back  :^:


MissingNoGuy55
  • MissingNoGuy55

    Rat

  • Members
  • Joined: 05 Oct 2013
  • None

#4489

Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:25 PM Edited by MissingNoGuy55, 04 July 2017 - 11:26 PM.

I'm so glad development is going to continue! The loss of LCIV is a bit saddening, but I'm just glad OpenIV can be worked on again! I'm hoping .ymt and .ysc editing will become integrated soon in the future.

  • Kesha_F1 likes this

Mr.Arrow
  • Mr.Arrow

    God Save the Penis

  • Members
  • Joined: 08 Nov 2011
  • United-Kingdom

#4490

Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:40 PM

As expected, Liberty City won't come back. You have to make a map from scratch I guess.

Victory comes at a price.
  • DidSomebodySayYouga and dekash27 like this

wapster
  • wapster

    Gentleman thief

  • Members
  • Joined: 24 Nov 2014
  • United-Kingdom

#4491

Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:01 AM

It's a real shame Liberty City V has to be taken out the back and shot, but as a compromise we get the continued development and distribution of our favorite modding tool. I hope to speak for the community when I say, thank you to the OpenIV team for your perseverance and determination in the face of adversity, to the community for banding together as one to defend our modding abilities as PC gamers, and to Rockstar themselves for standing with the community and mediating on our behalf to the ignorant, outdated-opinionated idiotic suits at Take Two's management. I hope that, to add insult to injury, another modder makes a Liberty City mod that can't be hit with a C/D demand so that we can have our modding cake and eat it, in addition to showing a massive middle finger to Take Two. And yes, I am a little drunk while typing this.


qaisjp
  • qaisjp

    mta is cool. so is fivem.

  • Members
  • Joined: 17 Apr 2010
  • None

#4492

Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:05 AM Edited by qaisjp, 05 July 2017 - 12:05 AM.

Thank you very much for finally giving us a statement on what's going on OpenIV Team!

Before anyone asks if "OpenIV Team", who joined "A week ago" is legit. Yes it is, because GooD-NTS has given the post a like and would not do this for a fake.

I was hoping that there would be some commentary about Take-Two/Rockstar response to the situation but I can only assume that there must be some non-disclosure agreement in place and at the end of the day, the OpenIV team who seemed so eager to comply with Take-Two's demands probably wouldn't be continuing if they didn't have some kind of assurance that they can continue within the Rockstar Modding Policy.

Going forward, using Anonymous handles is another good step forward just in case because you never know who's lurking or out to find you.

In the end even though it is a sad loss of ambitious projects like LCinV at least we have some slightly better guidelines on what Rockstar/Take-Two consider acceptable with modding so that we can avoid running into legal problems in the future, and hopefully Rockstar/Take-Two learn a few lessons in dealing with their fans and how they approach these issues.

Is it enough to warrant lifting a negative review? I think it is! We got what we really wanted, which was OpenIV itself and letting the OpenIV Team continue to pursue their creativity (even though it's more limited). And we need to lift the review score so that if we get screwed again in the future we can send the review scores back down, since clearly the review score seems to be the only way to get through to them as a community (I wish they had more open channels).

Maybe a new project could be one similar to the Myriad Islands project from III-era? What do you think about that?

Thanks again OpenIV Team

 

I don't think it does warrant lifting a negative review.

 

Developers of FiveM from a year or two ago are still banned from every R* game under the planet (even games they haven't even played yet).

 

All I did was commit a modification to a html file on the website, and they stopped me from playing Max Payne 3 when I hadn't even installed it yet.


PatrickJr.
  • PatrickJr.

    SFM Artist

  • Members
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2005
  • United-Kingdom

#4493

Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:14 AM

 

Thank you very much for finally giving us a statement on what's going on OpenIV Team!

Before anyone asks if "OpenIV Team", who joined "A week ago" is legit. Yes it is, because GooD-NTS has given the post a like and would not do this for a fake.

I was hoping that there would be some commentary about Take-Two/Rockstar response to the situation but I can only assume that there must be some non-disclosure agreement in place and at the end of the day, the OpenIV team who seemed so eager to comply with Take-Two's demands probably wouldn't be continuing if they didn't have some kind of assurance that they can continue within the Rockstar Modding Policy.

Going forward, using Anonymous handles is another good step forward just in case because you never know who's lurking or out to find you.

In the end even though it is a sad loss of ambitious projects like LCinV at least we have some slightly better guidelines on what Rockstar/Take-Two consider acceptable with modding so that we can avoid running into legal problems in the future, and hopefully Rockstar/Take-Two learn a few lessons in dealing with their fans and how they approach these issues.

Is it enough to warrant lifting a negative review? I think it is! We got what we really wanted, which was OpenIV itself and letting the OpenIV Team continue to pursue their creativity (even though it's more limited). And we need to lift the review score so that if we get screwed again in the future we can send the review scores back down, since clearly the review score seems to be the only way to get through to them as a community (I wish they had more open channels).

Maybe a new project could be one similar to the Myriad Islands project from III-era? What do you think about that?

Thanks again OpenIV Team

 

I don't think it does warrant lifting a negative review.

 

Developers of FiveM from a year or two ago are still banned from every R* game under the planet (even games they haven't even played yet).

 

All I did was commit a modification to a html file on the website, and they stopped me from playing Max Payne 3 when I hadn't even installed it yet.

 

 

Ouch.


Sheriff CWF
  • Sheriff CWF

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 19 Jun 2017
  • United-States

#4494

Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:34 AM Edited by Sheriff CWF, 05 July 2017 - 12:35 AM.

At least OpenIV is back

  • Jimbatron likes this

TheCoolDean
  • TheCoolDean

    Crackhead

  • Members
  • Joined: 17 Feb 2016
  • None

#4495

Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:56 AM

 

Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.

That's f*cking sad. I still don't understand what does R* have against it specifically, since it would benefit all sides.

 

It's very simple, if Liberty City's map would be modded into GTA V, then there would be no reason for people to purchase GTA 4 and other titles that have liberty city maps.


Sharkiller
  • Sharkiller

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 04 Jul 2017
  • Argentina

#4496

Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:22 AM Edited by Sharkiller, 05 July 2017 - 01:23 AM.

Im the only one that read:

 

(iii) use or importation of other IP (including other Rockstar IP) in the project.

 

as not use a completely different game like the map of Red Dead Redemption.

But GTA4 and GTA5 are same IP so there is nothing wrong with using  GTA 4 or 5 between them.


PatrickJr.
  • PatrickJr.

    SFM Artist

  • Members
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2005
  • United-Kingdom

#4497

Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:40 AM

 

 

Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.

That's f*cking sad. I still don't understand what does R* have against it specifically, since it would benefit all sides.

 

It's very simple, if Liberty City's map would be modded into GTA V, then there would be no reason for people to purchase GTA 4 and other titles that have liberty city maps.

 

 

I'm sure it said you'd be required to own GTA 4 to be able to use the tool to get the map into 5

  • CartmanKusanagi and comanche93 like this

RoscoeHussein
  • RoscoeHussein

    Rat

  • Members
  • Joined: 04 Oct 2014
  • United-States

#4498

Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:47 AM

 

 

 

Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto V
Unfortunately, our highly anticipated mod “Liberty City in GTA V” will not be released because it clearly contradicts with Rockstar modding policy. Liberty City mod is a big loss for us, since it was a huge part of our motivation to push OpenIV functionality.

That's f*cking sad. I still don't understand what does R* have against it specifically, since it would benefit all sides.

 

It's very simple, if Liberty City's map would be modded into GTA V, then there would be no reason for people to purchase GTA 4 and other titles that have liberty city maps.

 

 

I'm sure it said you'd be required to own GTA 4 to be able to use the tool to get the map into 5

 

I guess rockstar didn't understand or care about it.

So, now we wait for someone who is willing to risk making another LC mod...

  • comanche93 likes this

Goodestcitizen
  • Goodestcitizen

    Player Hater

  • Members
  • Joined: 28 Jun 2017
  • United-States

#4499

Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:12 AM

I'm still leaving a bad review...

  • CartmanKusanagi, Patrykq, RoscoeHussein and 1 other like this

spaceshape
  • spaceshape

    drink bleach, mf!

  • Members
  • Joined: 30 Mar 2016
  • None

#4500

Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:27 AM

Why no LibV & RDRV? I though they wouldn't mess with GTAO.

  • comanche93 likes this




3 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 3 guests, 0 anonymous users