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#1

Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:47 PM Edited by GooD-NTS, 04 July 2017 - 07:27 PM.

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This situation is resolved.


Original story:
We feared that this day would come... And now it's here.
The day, when GTA modding was declared illegal.

GTA modding had long and glorious history.
Since GTA III, people have created lots of different mods: from simple texture replacements to impressive full conversions.

And the modding always was a "gray zone" -- a battlefield between lawyers and PR...

For almost ten years of OpenIV development, we had tried to play as nice as possible and even more:
  • Strictly following of Civil Code of Russia (only reverse engineering for interoperability).
  • Only clean-room reverse engineering.
  • No distribution of original data and code.
  • And absolutely no messing with Online...
On June 5th, 2017, we had received an official Cease-and-Desist letter.
It clearly says, that with OpenIV we "allow third parties to defeat security features of its software and modify that software in violation Take-Two's rights".
Yes, this letter is illiterate both technically and grammatically (really, they don't even bothered with proof-reading the text).
Yes, we can go to court and yet again prove that modding is fair use and our actions are legal.
Yes, we could. But we decided not to.

Going to court will take at least few months of our time and huge amount of efforts, and, at best, we'll get absolutely nothing.
Spending time just to restore status quo is really unproductive, and all the money in the world can't compensate the loss of time.

So, we decided to agree with their claims and we're stopping distribution of OpenIV.

It was a hard decision, but when any modding activity has been declared illegal, we can't see any possibilities to continue this process,
unless top management of Take-Two company makes an official statement about modding, which can be used in court.


With many thanks for all modding community for all your fantastic creations,
OpenIV team.


 
So long, and thanks for all the fish.


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To make it all clear, here is what happened:

1 - At May 19th, 2017, I received an email from the legal counsel for Take Two Interactive in the USA. In this email they has requested to stop immediately any further work and/or distribution of OpenIV and "Liberty City in GTAV" projects.

2 – In belief, that we did not violate any laws, I asked them to provide more detailed information about their request. They agreed to provide details by email.

3 – On June 5th, 2017, after two weeks of silence, I got C&D letter from lawyers company (legal representative of Take Two in Russia), both in electronic and paper form, to my employer address. This C&D accuses me in Russian laws violations.

4 – After many heavy thoughts, we had decided to agree with their claims. We did not make it easily; it is very hard decision for us.
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"Take-Two's actions were not specifically targeting single player mods. Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody. We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players."


Here is my comment on this Rockstar's statement:
OpenIV, “Liberty City in GTA V” and all other mods/projects from my team and me are only specific for Single player. Rockstar must be well aware about the fact that you cannot access GTA Online while you have installed any OpenIV mod:
 

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The statement "Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody", is just wrong and they know it. OpenIV does not allows or supports any kind of GTA Online mods. We always supported Rockstar in their right to protect GTA Online from hacks and cheats. But, Take-Two's C&D was specific for out Singleplayer mods and have no mentions about GTA Online.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:56 PM

:facedesk: bruh

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:56 PM

IS THIS A GODDAMN JOKE?!?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:57 PM Edited by anfuerudo, 14 June 2017 - 07:58 PM.

T2 went FUBAR. Again.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:58 PM Edited by theNGclan, 14 June 2017 - 07:59 PM.

f*ck Take Two. I hope every single person involved in causing this gets bent over their desk and f*cked up the ass.

What about people who have OpenIV installed already?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:58 PM

f*ckin take two strikes again

 

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:58 PM

ok f*ck this, EVERONYE GO TO NEW YORK AND PROTEST THE sh*t OUT THOSE c*ntBAGS

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:58 PM

What the f*ck.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:59 PM

sh*t, it can't be for real.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:00 PM

Is this because the gta online updates getting leaked the moment they're on their servers and they get pried open with openiv?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:01 PM

Damn. This is a sad day.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:01 PM

What the f*ck? Thats sad


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:02 PM

Well, that's bullsh*t. I was tempted to get V on PC as it's on sale. Never mind then.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:02 PM Edited by Remix1994PL, 14 June 2017 - 08:10 PM.

Let's create, write and do the biggest petition in the world to restore the ability to create and use OpenV for modding purposes. Get a lot of votes against Take Two and show them as a response to players and the entire GTA community and other rockstar games.

Perhaps there is a chance yet to change this stupid, sh*t decision.

 

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What do You think about it? Let's not give up quickly.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:04 PM

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I remember when Rockstar was a good company ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:05 PM

this isn't R* , it's the sad f*cks at Greed Two

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:06 PM

I am really at a loss for f*cking words.

What are we supposed to do now? All of you guys kept your documentation private, it'll take a long time for us to make a tool for this many games.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:06 PM

Guys it's easy just move to China and f*ck them!     /s

 

arrghh those damn kiddies leaking Online content...

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:06 PM

I can't believe this just happened. Wake me up somebody, I'm having one of the worst nightmares in my life

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM Edited by rollschuh2282, 14 June 2017 - 08:08 PM.

THE GREATEST MODDING TOOL IS GETTING DESTROYED BY TAKE 2!

AR YOU f*ckING KIDDING ME?

AND THAT EVEN BEFORE LIBERTY V!!!

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

I dont even know what to say...thanks T2

and what about Script Hook?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM Edited by Stoney0503, 14 June 2017 - 08:08 PM.

take two is basically ruining R* games as a whole at this point.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

Well f*ck, rip r* & T2 I guess.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

we need to start a movement and black out every GTA related website

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:08 PM Edited by Blackbird88, 14 June 2017 - 08:08 PM.

I am really at a loss for f*cking words.

What are we supposed to do now? All of you guys kept your documentation private, it'll take a long time for us to make a tool for this many games.

But it's made in Delphi so nobody can help with it

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:08 PM

I hope this ain't a late April's Fool joke...

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#27

Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:09 PM

Now Take 2 has just removed a MASSIVE SELLING POINT for GTA on PC

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:09 PM

Any sources on that? Because it´s not listed anywhere neither on R* newswire, at TakeTwo´s website or even in their EULA.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:10 PM

I didn't see this coming. Any alternatives?


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:10 PM

oh sh*t





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