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Posted 31 May 2017 - 01:39 PM

As we all know the stock market was a primary way of making money in GTA V, but is it something you would like to come back?

For me no. Side missions felt pointless because of their low payouts and it was tedious trying to make decent money outside of the heists if you didn't know all the tricks.

I would rather have underground type gambling like illegal gambling dens to go to actually engage in activities. If it came back as an alternative money making method I could stomach that, but not as the primary way like it was in GTA V.
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Posted 31 May 2017 - 02:06 PM

I wouldn't mind it tbh, getting that massive income by exploiting it was kind of cool, but it shouldn't be the primary method of making money, there should be other alternatives. A full fledged drug dealing system, empire building similar to vcs, street racing for big bucks, and illegal gambling like you mentioned could be cool alternatives (imo) to make money and keep the player engaged while at it

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 04:39 PM

i hope not

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 05:15 PM

No, I could play a retirement simulator game if I wanted to mess around with the stock market.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 05:26 PM

I think yes, but much with a much smaller role than it has in GTA V. It was pretty cool figuring out on which companies to invest to get more money, but that way by the end of the game you become a multi-billionare and can basically buy everything in the game, so money becomes pretty pointless.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 06:30 PM

No. I want a more direct hands-on approach to making money. 


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 06:37 PM

Hell no


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 07:03 PM Edited by Official General, 01 June 2017 - 05:33 PM.

I hope not.

 

It was a hugely wasted feature in V, so much to the point that it was pretty much rendered useless for a majority of the game. On top of that, it was very tedious and long-winded, resulting in it also being a boring experience. I'd rather actual gambling activities in place of it next time. 

 

It would have made much more sense to have this feature in IV, since LC is based on NYC, the financial and stock market capital of the world. But dumb Rockstar decide to bring this feature to an LA-based setting, when LA is not well-known for even having a big stock market industry scene  :blink:

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 07:25 PM

No. It's a waste of space in a game like GTA. I'd rather see the Deep Web system in the next GTA rather than that.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 07:29 PM

I would rather have underground type gambling like illegal gambling dens to go to actually engage in activities. If it came back as an alternative money making method I could stomach that, but not as the primary way like it was in GTA V.

Bit of both, honestly, I just want to it accurately reflect the in game world and have it be usable online. We already have bets, although I think those definitely need to be expanded greatly with much greater payout. 


I would rather have underground type gambling like illegal gambling dens to go to actually engage in activities. If it came back as an alternative money making method I could stomach that, but not as the primary way like it was in GTA V.

Bit of both, honestly, I just want to it accurately reflect the in game world and have it be usable online. We already have bets, although I think those definitely need to be expanded greatly with much greater payout. 


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 08:46 PM

I don't mind it because I don't use it at all, I see it as a pointless feature but I can understand humans which opt for it.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:45 PM

Yes it should. It highly appreciate the money exploit using the stock market. How else will i ever buy the next Golf Course?

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:50 PM

No, just give me freedom in robbing banks on my goddamn time and my own damn way, this is a crime game not a stock market simulator.
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Posted 01 June 2017 - 05:28 AM Edited by MojoGamer, 01 June 2017 - 05:29 AM.

No, just give me freedom in robbing banks on my goddamn time and my own damn way, this is a crime game not a stock market simulator.

or Luis Lopez's drug cartel from GTA 4 TBOG. Why, you might ask? Well I'd made over 500 million waiting for GTA 5 playing El Chapo from Liberty City. Trevor Phillip's cartel sucks, I only played his for the PS4 trophy.

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:18 AM

I know that stock fraud or manipulation or whatever it's called (It's late and I'm tired) is a crime, but it's easily the most boring kind. And yet, GTA V had businesses that are actually so expensive that you'd have no choice but to play the stock market to get them.

 

I don't want to play the stock market. I want to buy houses and businesses and cars and guns.

 

I mean, maybe if you could buy international or out of state assets clicker game style to periodically increase your money, but instead of clicks, to get the money to buy the stuff you do what you always do, a lot of crime, that could be cool. Maybe you could even buy out of state garages to store more cars.

 

But the stock market? That's just kind of boring. I mean, even if you do find it exciting, isn't it still tonally inconsistent with the rest of the game, even with the fraud?

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:14 AM

Honestly no, it felt like missions and side missions in V had low/non-existent payouts in order to drive the player to abuse the stock market, but the problem is, it's such a boring way to make money. Give me more drug/arms trafficking, that's entertaining, not messing around with fictional corporate stocks.

Okay, they can bring it back, but it definitely can't be the main effecient method of making money like it was in V.
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Posted 01 June 2017 - 12:00 PM

underground type gambling like illegal gambling dens 

 

This.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 01:29 PM

Yes, ofcourse we need it. It's a good way to remember all the companies that are in the GTA V universe. Rich people play the stockmarket, because it seems to be a sensible way to invest your money. There's a lot of rich people in LA last time I checked. And after getting a sh*tload of money irl, it's really stupid to hold on to it, or to spend it, because it could produce more money invested into some financial products and then you could buy more stuff. There are other products than stocks and shares to invest too.I enjoyed the hit jobs, but TBH I would have liked more of a blackmailing for insider info type of missions.

 

Ofcourse I would enjoy some gambling too, but irl, the casino's want their money back and they have means to stop you from winning. In financial markets the only way for the losers to get their money back is to sue, and you need evidence for that.

 

TLDR: Hell yes!

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 05:51 PM Edited by Official General, 01 June 2017 - 05:55 PM.

Honestly no, it felt like missions and side missions in V had low/non-existent payouts in order to drive the player to abuse the stock market, but the problem is, it's such a boring way to make money. Give me more drug/arms trafficking, that's entertaining, not messing around with fictional corporate stocks.

Okay, they can bring it back, but it definitely can't be the main effecient method of making money like it was in V.

 

This indeed. I'd have very much preferred gambling, drug-dealing, car theft for cash, mini-heists/robbery side missions if it meant omitting stocks and shares from the game. I ain't gonna lie, when I first heard it would be in the game, I was very excited at the prospect, but on finally playing it, it turned out to be such a boring feature that it became highly insignificant for nearly all of the game. I would not miss it all. 

 

 

Yes, ofcourse we need it. It's a good way to remember all the companies that are in the GTA V universe. Rich people play the stock market, because it seems to be a sensible way to invest your money. There's a lot of rich people in LA last time I checked. And after getting a sh*tload of money irl, it's really stupid to hold on to it, or to spend it, because it could produce more money invested into some financial products and then you could buy more stuff. There are other products than stocks and shares to invest too.I enjoyed the hit jobs, but TBH I would have liked more of a blackmailing for insider info type of missions.

 

Ofcourse I would enjoy some gambling too, but irl, the casino's want their money back and they have means to stop you from winning. In financial markets the only way for the losers to get their money back is to sue, and you need evidence for that.

 

TLDR: Hell yes!

 

* In GTA, the protagonist generally does not start off the campaign as being rich, he starts off as a typical career criminal that seeks any opportunity to illegally make fast, easy money, so the stock market is highly unlikely to be his chosen method of achieving his objective. Even Michael was not that rich at the start of V, and it was very clear from the start he was only concerned with making big money fast from big scores, he was not interested in the stock market, even when Lester tried to put him onto it. Stocks and shares are very traceable forms of financial investment, something a criminal would want to avoid while trying to hide illegal earnings, as it it's easy to get caught - a criminal is more likely to invest their financial earnings in a business/company as an owner/co-owner or in real estate, not in stocks and shares. 

 

* The fact that there is a lot of rich people in LA does not automatically mean that the majority of them are into investing in stocks and shares. In fact, you will find that a lot of rich people are like most average people regarding stocks - they are not that clued up about it and they don't fully understand the system enough to want to take big financial risks/gambles by investing in it. LA is not really a hub for stock market activity in real life anyway, New York City and Chicago are the cities for that. Rich people in LA are mostly rich from owning very successful businesses in entertainment, technology, real estate, consumerism, commerce etc - being LA, I'd say they are more likely to invest in real estate and other business ventures, not stocks. 

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:32 PM Edited by ClaudeSpeed1911, 02 June 2017 - 06:46 AM.

I would like CTW drug dealing to be back. It was very similiar to the stock market but was much more fun and immersive. I know they wanted me to feel like a "middle aged guy wasting money on stocks" but I would rather drug deal. Add more randomized events and it would be very fun for a long time. Stock market could return but only if they add all the crime based activities. Gambling from SA should be back along with the minigames from RDR like the awesome Liar's Dice activity.

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:53 PM

For me, it doesn't make a difference. I don't play GTA to hoard money in order to buy cars and latest fashion. No, I play it to enjoy a good story, explore the world, test out the AI and live the atmosphere. If I want to do stocks, I would only do it in real life. 


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 03:53 AM Edited by Niobium, 09 June 2017 - 04:00 AM.

i never use the stock market other than the assassination thingie. it's a boring way of making money. i want to rob banks, deal drugs, complete assassinations for money, criminal stuff. way more fun.
 

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:39 AM

No.

Bring back gambling as a way to make money

Let us hit banks, there were a TON of Fleecas scattered across GTA V's Los Santos.... and only ONE of them was ever used for anything.

I HATED the stock market. What was the point of it if you couldn't manipulate it outside of missions?

Hell bring in CTW's drug thing.... I never played CTW, but I know how it worked. It sounds cool, why not bring it into a main game?


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 01:29 PM

 If I want to do stocks, I would only do it in real life. 

 

Then you might as well say that about every other non-common, non-everyday life activity in GTA then. I'll agree it's boring, but this kind of reasoning is classically dumb, I heard it before on here and I'm sure your post won't be the last of it's kind. 


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 01:36 PM Edited by Mr. Fartenhate, 09 June 2017 - 01:38 PM.

stocks should def return depending on the character, preferably with way more functionality

 

i remember when the game first came out, everyone thought you could lower rival company's stocks by blowing up their property or damaging stuff, and that would be a perfect way to throw more interactivity and less 'boring sh*t' into the mix, as well as put emphasis on the free roam aspect. you put your cash on a certain bank, hijack rival a rival bank's armored car, and profit even more in the process. there's so much potential here that shouldn't be cast away for just high stakes poker games or whatever.

 

gta v was a start. there's so much more they could do

 

this is a crime game not a stock market simulator.

what's the difference. capitalism is capitalism


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 02:07 PM

stocks should def return depending on the character, preferably with way more functionality

 

i remember when the game first came out, everyone thought you could lower rival company's stocks by blowing up their property or damaging stuff, and that would be a perfect way to throw more interactivity and less 'boring sh*t' into the mix, as well as put emphasis on the free roam aspect. you put your cash on a certain bank, hijack rival a rival bank's armored car, and profit even more in the process. there's so much potential here that shouldn't be cast away for just high stakes poker games or whatever.

 

gta v was a start. there's so much more they could do

 

 

I personally think that ship has sailed now.

 

Yes, there is definitely so much Rockstar could have done with this feature (and could still do), but the truth of the matter is that it was so boring and time consuming in V's SP that most players don't care for it anymore. I can still remember when it was first announced as a feature in V's early previews and so many of us (on here at least) were excited for it, but once we realised just how weak it was, interest was quickly lost, to the point hardly anyone has talked about it on here since. I'm almost certain that this is the first thread in years I've seen on this feature that has been thoroughly discussed.

 

I think Rockstar blew their chances with really making something great of it, and they should just ditch it in favour of more traditional ways of gambling/staking money for more money like casinos, track betting, card/dice games, and also drug-dealing, real estate investment (with safehouse properties), business building. 


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 02:19 PM Edited by Shade04rek, 09 June 2017 - 02:27 PM.

Yes, because it shouldn't even take much effort to implement, should be really nothing more than a program that performs math calculations. only reason it's not in online probably is because players banking on stock payouts=no sharkcard sales.

This should only exist as one of many ways of making money though, it should probably be just like v's as a sort of thing you would need to know about beforehand in a 2nd playthhrough like a cleverly implemented "cheat", as to not overshadow the other more involved ways of making cash in free roam.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:36 AM Edited by Mr. Fartenhate, 13 June 2017 - 07:47 AM.

I personally think that ship has sailed now.

 

I think Rockstar blew their chances

i dont really like that argument

 

there are a lot of things that have been poorly done in the past and elaborated on in later titles, and i dont think this should be an exception. for what it was, it was a thematically relevant addition to the game in gta v (on the lampooning of capitalism and corporations) that could be heavily improved on for the next title. i dont see the harm in including another thing in the game, there's no reason to outright remove it even if you didn't like it, and it's pretty easy to put in the game and can 100% be an addition with the other features you're talking about

 

and even if the protagonist of gtan isn't some rich white guy like michael, stock market manipulation has been a staple of organised crime since the turn of the century, and has become a pretty easy avenue for laundering and processing cash for ages. fraud is big nowadays, and you gotta keep up with the times. when the player inevitably goes big time, unless it's another unconventional gta v style plot, he'll have to do sh*t like this if he wants to keep his income steady.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 09:38 AM

 

I personally think that ship has sailed now.

 

I think Rockstar blew their chances

i dont really like that argument

 

there are a lot of things that have been poorly done in the past and elaborated on in later titles, and i dont think this should be an exception. for what it was, it was a thematically relevant addition to the game in gta v (on the lampooning of capitalism and corporations) that could be heavily improved on for the next title. i dont see the harm in including another thing in the game, there's no reason to outright remove it even if you didn't like it, and it's pretty easy to put in the game and can 100% be an addition with the other features you're talking about

 

and even if the protagonist of gtan isn't some rich white guy like michael, stock market manipulation has been a staple of organised crime since the turn of the century, and has become a pretty easy avenue for laundering and processing cash for ages. fraud is big nowadays, and you gotta keep up with the times. when the player inevitably goes big time, unless it's another unconventional gta v style plot, he'll have to do sh*t like this if he wants to keep his income steady.

 

 

Sorry you don't like it, but that is just my opinion.

 

I'll say it again, Rockstar blew their chances with this feature, ands I say it, because it was the first time something like this has been implemented in a GTA game. First impressions count a lot for something like this in GTA, and it went down a disappointment like damp cloth, so therefore nobody really cares for it anymore. As a result, my opinion is don't bother with it, focus on other features that are more popular and improve them. 

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:03 AM

I don't mind. It was a nice add though.

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