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Posted 04 May 2017 - 02:57 AM Edited by Mister Pink, 4 weeks ago.

From the creator of one of TV's finest shows, The Wire comes The Deuce. Set in 1970's New York around the pimps, prostitution and porn scene of Times Square. It's staring Maggie Gyllenhaal, Method Man and James Franco and a bunch of other actors from The Wire including..

 

Method Man who played Cheese in The Wire.. Can't wait to see him this. Also the actor that plays Chris Partlow in The Wire, Gbenga Akinnagbe returns as well as Michael Kostroff who played The Barksdale Organization's lawyer. 

 

It also has Michael Rispoli (Jackie Aprille, The Sopranos).

 

Anyway, that doesn't matter if you don't know those actors, it's just a nice nugget of info for those who watched The Wire. Looking forward to this show. I love period pieces and 70's New York was grimey and full of seedy crime to a backdrop of wonderful music. 

 

Knowing David Simon it will have very multi-dimensional characters, hopefully a rich and layered story like The Wire with big doses of social commentary.

 

Premise..

 

 

In New York, the number of those with HIV is rising and the violence of the drug epidemic is worsening. Twin brothers, Vincent and Frankie Martino, become fronts for the Mob while operating out of Times Square, which is also the home of "Candy", a sex worker who turns to the now legal emerging porn industry.

 

 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 07:01 PM

I'l be looking forward to this, The Wire was such a great show so something new by the creator is exciting news.
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Posted 12 May 2017 - 12:26 AM

Yeah I kind of feel ashamed I haven't watched his other HBO shows but this one speaks to me in so many ways. I love crime shows, New York and period pieces. Hopefully this will work out. We know there will be a huge human element to this. We know David Simon is anti "war on drugs" and maybe we'll see case for that or something a little deeper socially with a the backdrop of 70's New York. 

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 05:41 PM Edited by feckyerlife, 01 June 2017 - 05:44 PM.

Is this supposed to be based off a true story? or this like how boardwalk empire was? I noticed that  the mafia characters were all real life mafia guys. 

 

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 01:15 PM

I'm not sure. If it's either way I'm happy. I love how they handled Boardwalk, it was good knowing that Nucky Thompson was based off Nucky Johnson. I don't mind small changes or even big ones, if the writing is good.

 

That trailer looks amazing. Can't wait!

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

Looks interesting that's for sure
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Posted 03 June 2017 - 03:56 PM Edited by Mister Pink, 11 June 2017 - 11:10 AM.

I'm so happy to see Method Man on the screen again. He looks mental as a 70's pimp!

 

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:44 AM

This show will definitely kick ass... I'll tell you that much. It's so simple: 70's New York & Sex Trade Scene + David Simon. Literally, just shut up and take my money. The Wire has been my favourite TV show with dramatic crime vibe, but I have a feeling that The Deuce may even top The Wire if it's given time and opportunity. 

 

I was pretty shocked to find out how much of an efficient actor Method Man is, when I saw him play Cheese on The Wire. I can definitely see him in the shoes of a snotty, violent pimp. Yeah, it's also nice to know that Michael Rispoli is on the team. His role in The Sopranos was short yet crucial; the scenes with Aprile Sr. were always a good watch. 

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 01:27 PM Edited by Mister Pink, 16 June 2017 - 01:31 PM.

This show will definitely kick ass... I'll tell you that much. It's so simple: 70's New York & Sex Trade Scene + David Simon. Literally, just shut up and take my money. The Wire has been my favourite TV show with dramatic crime vibe, but I have a feeling that The Deuce may even top The Wire if it's given time and opportunity. 

 

I was pretty shocked to find out how much of an efficient actor Method Man is, when I saw him play Cheese on The Wire. I can definitely see him in the shoes of a snotty, violent pimp. Yeah, it's also nice to know that Michael Rispoli is on the team. His role in The Sopranos was short yet crucial; the scenes with Aprile Sr. were always a good watch. 

 

I couldn't agree more

 

I didn't get to see Treme or Simon's other work aside from The House I live In documentary.  I guess post hurricane Katrina New Orleans didn't make me rush out to see Treme, even though there was a great chance it was going to be good, it didn't have the same appeal as the crime themes of The Wire for me. But now I think I'll watch it. It's got a 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. 

 

The Deuce on the other hand is going to a not only a city that I adore very much but back to time and crimes element that sparks my interest. It's like this seedy underworld that was conducted out in the open in Times Sqaure. 

 

No doubt Simon wont be looking back at the 70's with rose-tints. I'm sure he'll inject that social realism in there but it will be interesting to see how he handles this as he has hindsight on his side. The Wire was very current and still is, what with corruption in the legal, political and police system as a well as the good souls in it too, the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex but The Deuce hopefully will give us something more.

 

I hope to see his strong female characters that he's respectfully great at writing also looking forward to seeing the good characters that rise up in bad situations and the morally ambiguous. characters. The characters that keep you guessing the person's motives. I just hope it's got the depth and complexity of The Wire. Maybe it wont be in the first season as I think The Wire is a bit much for people to digest at first, hence it's success after the original airing. And people were still getting their head around watching long-form movie-like TV shows , slowly but surely thanks to The Sopranos :)

 

The mainstream TV viewer is now more used to long-form TV thanks for Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad so maybe something deeper and more complex like Simon's work will be accepted better than The Wire when it first aired.

 

We'll see. Haven't been excited for as show like this since Boardwalk Empire.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:39 PM Edited by Loosestring, 4 weeks ago.



I didn't get to see Treme or Simon's other work aside from The House I live In documentary.  I guess post hurricane Katrina New Orleans didn't make me rush out to see Treme, even though there was a great chance it was going to be good, it didn't have the same appeal as the crime themes of The Wire for me. But now I think I'll watch it. It's got a 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. 

I began watching Treme last summer after I had finished my first watch of The Sopranos. I haven't completely finished it, I guess I stopped watching around the fourth or fifth episode of the third season (with the show being four seasons at total, and the last season consists of only five episodes. I guess big-shot TV people forced them to rush it). I'm more of a crime-vibe thrilled guy as much as you are, and that was the reason why I started watching The Wire at the first place. To admit, The Wire got enlightened me to a huge extent, teaching me your typical crime drama isn't just about exciting criminal stuff, and there is a space for social background and honest satire, and harsh "in-your-face" lessons about human psychology (The Sopranos). Back to Treme, it's a nice, interesting show with lot of social examination and jazz & blue thrown in. Of course, it has a slower pace even than The Wire, but let's just give it to the show's nature: I mean, when you watch The Wire, you know eventually weapons will be drawn and moms n' pops will bust a cap on each others' backs because the most emphasized theme of the show is crime. Furthermore, Treme is a nice example of David Simon's capacity, relying not only volatile organized crime to make satirical touches on a bad society, he can also do that with dry-bleeding blues musicians. I couldn't finish the series because I had no time, but I'd strongly suggest anyone watch it especially if you want to witness how much of an investigative and experimental genius Simon is. 

 

 

 

Maybe it wont be in the first season as I think The Wire is a bit much for people to digest at first, hence it's success after the original airing. And people were still getting their head around watching long-form movie-like TV shows , slowly but surely thanks to The Sopranos.

 

 

I think this is a major problem with the newer, younger generations of TV audience: they're lazy, and they don't want to put too much effort... despite the fact that their part of the deal is easy. However, I obviously agree with that the TV shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead have kinda warmed them up for more sophisticated, and deeper concepts in general. However, some people act like they got their thumbs jammed up their asses after seeing such shows, and they can't be openly experimental because they've become so damned perfectionist. But please don't get me wrong, I have no hostile feelings for such shows and as to say, I'm a huge fan of Breaking Bad, and I was kind of the main reason why many of my friends started watching that show. And to give an example, there is a friend of mine who is actually a "movie guy", but decided to give BB a shot, and liked it very much. Then, he came around and asked me for more, and I recommended The Wire, and also OZ. He found it really difficult to follow first. This is natural, as The Wire takes a lot of time to build up the main events meanwhile Breaking Bad is more straightforward, fast-paced and kind of action-packed. I told him to be patient, and wait for more. And that's the way of watching TV shows like The Sopranos or The Wire: you've got to wait for the ultimate prize. That's why Season 2 of The Wire is a personal favourite of mine, or Season 3 of The Sopranos is the best IMO although many people dismiss it because of Tony's heavily emphasized home issues and Jackie Aprile Jr. storyline (I like Junior's saga a lot although a lot of people seem to describe it as "utter bullcrap"). 

 

To cut it short, most of the modern TV audience do not seem to endorse such a method while watching their TV shows, or they are generally fond of more "in-your-face" materials or elements. Hence TV shows like The Wire, The Sopranos, OZ etc. have maintained a cult following in the past, but they're far from being popular nowadays. That's why I'm a bit skeptical about the birth or continuation of such sophisticated TV shows.

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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by Mister Pink, 4 weeks ago.

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I think this is a major problem with the newer, younger generations of TV audience: they're lazy, and they don't want to put too much effort... despite the fact that their part of the deal is easy. However, I obviously agree with that the TV shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead have kinda warmed them up for more sophisticated, and deeper concepts in general. However, some people act like they got their thumbs jammed up their asses after seeing such shows, and they can't be openly experimental because they've become so damned perfectionist. But please don't get me wrong, I have no hostile feelings for such shows and as to say, I'm a huge fan of Breaking Bad, and I was kind of the main reason why many of my friends started watching that show. And to give an example, there is a friend of mine who is actually a "movie guy", but decided to give BB a shot, and liked it very much. Then, he came around and asked me for more, and I recommended The Wire, and also OZ. He found it really difficult to follow first. This is natural, as The Wire takes a lot of time to build up the main events meanwhile Breaking Bad is more straightforward, fast-paced and kind of action-packed. I told him to be patient, and wait for more. And that's the way of watching TV shows like The Sopranos or The Wire: you've got to wait for the ultimate prize. That's why Season 2 of The Wire is a personal favourite of mine, or Season 3 of The Sopranos is the best IMO although many people dismiss it because of Tony's heavily emphasized home issues and Jackie Aprile Jr. storyline (I like Junior's saga a lot although a lot of people seem to describe it as "utter bullcrap"). 

 

To cut it short, most of the modern TV audience do not seem to endorse such a method while watching their TV shows, or they are generally fond of more "in-your-face" materials or elements. Hence TV shows like The Wire, The Sopranos, OZ etc. have maintained a cult following in the past, but they're far from being popular nowadays. That's why I'm a bit skeptical about the birth or continuation of such sophisticated TV shows.

 

 

For sure man. While I enjoyed BB too, I kind of resented people comparing it to shows like The Sopranos or The Wire. In the end, the result is entertainment for it's audience and that it does. But one type of show takes a completely different path than other to deliver that entertainment. However, I just don't think the show is as layered or complex or maybe even groundbreaking as a show like The Sopranos or The Wire. The way I described to my friend about BB to further my point was that in BB, you could land on any episode in the middle of a season and pick up what's going on, very fast. You would be pretty lost if you did that with the Sopranos or The Wire or Boardwalk Empire. There's sub-plots, characters and story arcs that develop over so many episodes, that you would really need to be following since to start to get the full rounded picture. It does require a little attention by the viewer but the pay off is much more rewarding that some cliffhanger or cheap plot twist. 

 

Funny you mention Season 2 of The Wire being your favourite because it might be mine. But sure The Wire kinds of spoils us. It does raise a bar so high. Watching BB or often times people recommend The Shield as a good alternative to The Wire. People that do that makes me think the whole concept of The Wire went completely over their heads (no offence if you like it) but I don't see the similarities other than it deals with crime. It doesn't posses any of the qualities that make The Wire different from all the other shows. 

 

But I agree, I do like BB as much as the next guy but just very aware of what else is out there. There is that hump to get over that the start. That's why on second viewing of Season 1, I really enjoyed it as I wasn't struggling following what was going and when they spoke of other characters not in the room, I knew who they were talking about so I could enjoy it all for what it is. 

 

Anyway, after reading your description of Treme, I want to give it a go. Might tide me over until The Deuce. 

 

Chris Partlow.. :p

 

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Posted 4 weeks ago

Really pumped for this.

 

And yeah, The Wire is my absolute GOAT show (excluding comedy). My favourite is between season 2 and 3. Loved the dock plot and radical change with the Major Crimes Unit  (McNulty on a boat trying to get back at Rawls is hilarious)

 

Season 3 has it all though: the Barksdales trying to bounce back & their ultimate demise, Stanfield emerging as the new power player, the politics stuff, Hamsterday & the hilarious Comstat meetings :lol:

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New trailer :^:

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Posted A week ago Edited by Mister Pink, A week ago.

Nice trailer. Notice "Frank Sobotka" at 0.33 seconds, . :)

 

Also George Pelecanos in the credits wrote and produced for The Wire. He's a novelist but wrote some of The Wire's episodes from stories David Simon and Ed Burns told him. I didn't realize there another writer took such a pivotal role on The Wire. Glad he's back.





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