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Posted 02 May 2017 - 12:30 AM Edited by watersgta3, 02 May 2017 - 12:34 AM.

I've been re-watching the cutscenes of the game and I have this new theory as to why Sweet was being an ungrateful asshole towards CJ. Before CJ returned home, Grove Street has fallen pretty badly. Then after CJ came back home, the gang was gradually getting back on its feet right before Sweet was sent to jail and the Ballas and Vagos took over the whole hood, as well as Smoke and Ryder being compelled to betray the gang by C.R.A.S.H. Now here's the jealousy part. When CJ finally bails Sweet out of jail, he tells him how he got a mansion and nearly every asset on San Fierro and Las Venturas. Instead of being happy about it, Sweet instead tries to compel CJ to go back to the hood to handle business. I mean let's face it. No man with any common sense, gangster or not, would want to spend his whole life in the hood. I feel that the reason why Sweet wanted CJ to go back in the hood to bang again is because since CJ did much more work to rise to the top, Sweet feels insecure deep down due to not accomplishing much for the gang since CJ's absence, being the big brother and all, and that he feels intimidated that his younger brother has become a bigger man than him. So Sweet wanted to prove that he was the bigger man by "keeping it real" and accused CJ for abandoning the hood at an attempt to mask his jealousy for his brother. I mean since he IS the leader of the Grove Street Families, he probably feels that his brother's success makes him feel inferior. Don't start attacking me now. This is just a theory.

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 02:04 AM

I doubt it. Sweet takes the Grove seriously, every mission you do for him, it's for the hood. So, you can understand that he wants the Grove to rise back, even if that gets him dead.

 

Also, he's the leader, he needs to support and protect the Grove at all costs. 

 

He was angry at Carl because he "ran off", so, for him the idea of leaving the Grove alone while he's living in a mansion, is like "running off" from the Grove.

 

So, i guess you could say that he isn't jealous, he's just worried. 

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 08:09 AM

Sweet takes the Grove seriously, every mission you do for him, it's for the hood.

Yep. He takes it so seriously that even after being in jail for months (?), literally the first thing he does is take Grove Street back with CJ.
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Posted 02 May 2017 - 10:05 PM Edited by lil weasel, 02 May 2017 - 10:10 PM.

I would Refer to
What kind of creep is Sweet
Sweet not the brightest.

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:06 AM Edited by Evil-Empire, 09 May 2017 - 02:46 AM.

Jealousy is a good element to justify Sweet's behavior in the scenario.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 03:03 AM

Nah, he is just really angry at CJ about him turning his back on the Familes after all just like your actual family you got to be loyal.
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:17 AM

He's angry when CJ arrives in Los Santos from Liberty City and jealous when CJ comes back in Los Santos after his San Fierro and Las Venturas missions.


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 04:09 AM

Exactly! I felt the same way while i was playing the game. I thought i was the only one who felt like it!


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 08:49 AM

Yeah I think he was a bit jealous of CJ's success. Sweet was all about the hood and when he saw CJ return from LV all rich he got angry, part of that must have been jealousy that this guy made it big.

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 05:10 PM Edited by Great Britain, 06 May 2017 - 05:14 PM.

I'm not surprised that to some people it may appear as an envious situation on Sweet's behalf. However I think what's important to remember here is the fact that CJ ran off when the family needed him the most, Brian had already been killed and CJ running off to Liberty City just added to the already worsening situation of the Grove. When Sweet got out of prison, obviously things were pretty messed up more or less everywhere in the city. When CJ told Sweet what all he had earned and achieved out of the hood, In my opinion brought back those painful memories to him of how CJ abandoned his family and the hood for his own selfish motives. Sweet is a character who we have all seen undergo his fair share of emotional stress since day one. Combine that with his personality of a hard-core gangster on the outside and a sort of a soft hearted brother to both Kendl & CJ on the inside, as well as a Son to Beverly.

 

 

After their mother died, not only was he the already struggling leader of a Family that was being torn apart by rival gangs each day, but also an elder sibling, on whom the responsibility of the safe-keeping of his sister and the well-being of the hood at large now rested. All in all, to me rather than it being a case of being jealous, I would much rather be inclined to believe that it's natural for him to react this way, seeing his own brother run off again when the hood, to which he devoted his life to needed a worthy leader when he was doing time inside.

 

 

I do agree that sometimes his love for the hood is pretty over-whelming and can get a little on your nerves, seeing as to how much he likes to shove the idea of being and staying loyal to the hood and their principles down your throat all the time. This though certainly is not a case of being jealous. It's just a person who is fighting, not only a war on the outside to save what he so deeply loves, but also on the inside with his own contradictions, as we saw when he was about to give up on everything and let himself fall for the "sh*t that changes everything" aka drugs. Let's also not forget about the betrayal of Smoke and Ryder, which I'm sure played heavily on his mind as well. Who else can a person like Sweet in that situation count on if not on his own brother?

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 08:00 PM

I don't think Sweet is jealous of Carl. He only loves the Ghetto and stay loyal to the 'hood. He doesn't like CJ because he left Brian for dead in an accident. That's why sometimes the homies call him a buster


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Posted A week ago

I wouldn't say jealous. Just worried. I mean he felt that CJ getting rich meant running away again like he did five years prior.


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Posted 6 days ago

Nope. He wasn't. That's a wrong perception about his character. Its pretty easy to understand the relationship between two brothers. Bringing things like jealousy, and such is, quite silly to say the least, and shows the lack of maturity of the player.

Its like calling a father jealous of his children successful life.

Sweet has a crucial influence on his family, and after the demise of Beverly Johnson, you can call Sweet as a fatherly figure, who had high hopes from his brother Carl. He was upset at the beginning but as you progress into the story, a greater the level of trust, and a strong emotional bond develops between the two.

 

CJ: Thought you'd hang with your brother, huh?

SWEET: Aw, ease up, little man, c'mon, it's been difficult. Yeah I know what you was up to, nigga!  (to the four homies). Listen up - y'all down with CJ, right? He's been through a lot, I mean we all been through a lot. But CJ's helping us clean up the 'hood. He's taken the fight to the enemy -
CJ: Yeah. 
SWEET: Showing all of us how we used to bang, what it used to mean to be a Grove Street Family. CJ, you're my brother, my running dog. I should have never doubted you.
CJ: It's nothing.
SWEET: But you're home now, partner - home.
CJ: For sure.
SWEET (to CJ): You in?
CJ: Hell yeah, I'm in, I'm your running dog, Sweet.
SWEET: Yeah, my nigga...
 

I don't think Sweet was jealous about CJs success.

The problem was CJ started to sound just like Smoke, talking about leaving the hood when he clearly promised (as seen in the above quotes) to help Sweet in putting Grove Street back on the map. This is why Las Venturas strand of missions are so much important from story standpoint, which many people still don't understand, and try to overlook the changes that Rockstar wanted to bring in CJ's character and how success started to change him after the return to LS, rather than focusing on the Mafia angle of it.

Here's a post where I have explained in detail.

 

No man with any common sense, gangster or not, would want to spend his whole life in the hood. 

 

Sweet never asked him to spend his whole life in the hood, just complete the half finished job, that's all. In fact, many players (really strange) still don't realize that CJ was never really into gangbanging, he wanted to leave the ghetto life, and dreamed big, like becoming rich, etc since the beginning of the story.

In the end, CJ fulfilled his promise, and proved his loyalty for the hood. He can still focus on his business ventures across the state, as well. Grove Street is no longer the same ghetto, but with CJ and Sweet together, now things are going to change for the better, both for the hood and the homies.

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Posted 6 days ago

I personally don't think he was jealous. I just don't think he understood CJ (and in turn CJ didn't really understand him). Sweet was all about the hood and being an OG but CJ wanted to be something more and better himself. Whereas CJ lapped up the rags to riches journey he went on, Sweet would have turned down the riches and stayed in rags. That kind of stuff was not important to him and because it wasn't important to him I don't think he ever really understood why it was important to CJ. In turn, CJ never really understood why Sweet would want to be an OG for all his life and not strive for something more. In the end, CJ learns the balance in himself of being loyal to the hood and the values that Sweet has always believed in whilst still being able to strive forward and be something more than just a OG.


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Posted 6 days ago

jealous? he must've been hella mad at cj for >letting< brian die and then leaving for liberty city... i would love to know the whole backstory of brian's incident and carl's involvement


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Posted 5 days ago

No not at all. 

 

Sweet's main problem with CJ (initially) was that he felt that CJ did not share the same fire and passion he had concerning loyalty to their gang, and the fact that CJ did not seem to be too bothered about the hood that they came from, which by that stage was suffering a whole host of social ills derived from the effects of the crack trade. In short, Sweet had resented CJ for only being too concerned with no one and nothing else, but himself.

 

Sweet was never really about making lots of money and getting rich, he was more concerned with maintaining the original status quo of his gang, their lifestyle, and control over their local neighbourhood, before the devastating effects of the crack trade came into effect to ruin it all. Look at when Big Smoke tries to convince Sweet to make a move into the crack trade or get left behind by their gang rivals very early in the story - Sweet instantly dismisses the idea and brands it as being "too concerned with making money" and also as having a destructive effect on his gang and his hood. It was clear to see that Sweet's main life motivation in the game was preserving the very existence of his gang and everything it stood for, he was not concerned with the gang becoming rich, or else he'd have agreed with Big Smoke and led the Families into the crack trade. 

 

CJ's foray into expanding the gang's power and influence and making himself rich, presiding over his own criminal empire in the process was something that he had always wanted for himself, and that happened largely outside of Families gang activity - Sweet's only complaint was that it was distracting CJ from helping make the Families united and strong again to fight back against the Ballas and other rival gangs to reclaim their hood back. Other than that, Sweet was fine with CJ becoming a rich gangsta. 

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Posted 2 days ago

No. Why WOULD he be jealous of his own BROTHER?

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Posted 2 days ago

No. Why WOULD he be jealous of his own BROTHER?

Siblings can be jealous of another too you know.


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Posted 19 hours ago

 

No. Why WOULD he be jealous of his own BROTHER?

Siblings can be jealous of another too you know.

Why? They're siblings. They're family. They're blood.


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Posted 7 hours ago

 

 

No. Why WOULD he be jealous of his own BROTHER?

Siblings can be jealous of another too you know.

Why? They're siblings. They're family. They're blood.

 

Doesn't matter. Family members can be jealous of one another in some ways too. People can be jealous of anyone, whether they're related or not.





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