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Posted 16 May 2017 - 04:06 PM Edited by DeeDogg_, 17 May 2017 - 12:58 AM.

I wouldn't say IV was hated, when it released though it was very divisive and got a lot of criticism for not being SA II, far more than V has, and even to this day on other forums and social media I see it has its fair share of detractors like V. Since RDR was near universally praised by gamers, hopefully that means Rockstar know what Red Dead fans want, but the success of GTA Online still has me worried.

ditto. I havent seen any real hate towards IV ever except for a few select message board but those posts were from 2008

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:44 PM

No matter how you feel about GTA V it is the way it is in large part because the previous game was so badly hated on.

 

Tell us why GTA IV was so different than San Andreas. Was it because people hated SA?

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:11 PM

 

No matter how you feel about GTA V it is the way it is in large part because the previous game was so badly hated on.

 

Tell us why GTA IV was so different than San Andreas. Was it because people hated SA?

 

They wanted to go in a new direction and not repeat themselves but they didn't expect IV to get the backlash that it did. IV was a labor of love and a game that they wanted to make. You can see the passion and thought that went into it but much of the general public didn't see it that way. No GTA before IV received the kind of widespread hate that it got and it threw them for a loop. They saw that it wasn't over the top like SA and it was too serious or gritty or whatever else they found wrong with it so when it came time for a sequel they did a 180 with V. The RDR series doesn't have that problem. The previous game is a beloved by the general public so R will not feel like they have to go in a completely different direction. 


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:19 PM

Can you show me this "insane backlash" R* received? How did it affect the games sales and reception? I dont think it left a mark. And what makes you think the grittyess or the serious storyline was a "problem" what the f*ck are you talking about? Thats what most people talk about when they praise the game.

And no, they didnt do a 180 do to those bullsh*t "problems" they did it because every GTA is different. 

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:36 PM

JUst do a google search on GTA IV and backlash.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:51 PM

JUst do a google search on GTA IV and backlash.

Way to back yourself up.Theres backlash towards any R* or game or any other game. Whether its politically, controversial, or something that has to do with the game. All I see there is that the driving is bad and the missions are repetitive. And to that I say, to each their own. Different strokes for different folks. 

 

Its just the usual "ITS NOT SA 2" complaints that i brought up earlier. Its typical with sequels. GTA4 is a different game, like any GTA game. For better or worse? Idk its up to you 

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:02 PM

In response to the topic title.....I hope not lol.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:39 PM

Yeah, GTA 4 got it's fair share of complaints, I think they all have since Vice City and that's mostly because, like DeeDogg_ said, they're always changing. People complained about the car handling in GTA IV but when V came out people complained that the car handling wasn't the same as IV's. Alotta complaints about having to eat in San Andreas turned into alotta complaints about not having to eat in IV.

With a franchise as popular as GTA, every time you take something out you're taking out something a lot of people like and they're gonna complain about it. Same goes for when something is added or just changed. The thing to remember is that typically these people are a very vocal minority complaining about very specific things, not the games as a whole and I don't think Rockstar evolves their games based on those complaints.

I don't see how Red Dead Redemption 2 can avoid this. If it evolves the way every GTA does then that probly means some things are going to be changed or removed entirely and people will complain about that. Or things will be added to the game that people don't like and they'll complain about that. Odds are these people will remain a very vocal minority though.
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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:05 AM

 

 

No matter how you feel about GTA V it is the way it is in large part because the previous game was so badly hated on.

 

Tell us why GTA IV was so different than San Andreas. Was it because people hated SA?

 

They wanted to go in a new direction and not repeat themselves but they didn't expect IV to get the backlash that it did. IV was a labor of love and a game that they wanted to make. You can see the passion and thought that went into it but much of the general public didn't see it that way. No GTA before IV received the kind of widespread hate that it got and it threw them for a loop. They saw that it wasn't over the top like SA and it was too serious or gritty or whatever else they found wrong with it so when it came time for a sequel they did a 180 with V. The RDR series doesn't have that problem. The previous game is a beloved by the general public so R will not feel like they have to go in a completely different direction. 

 

 

Well Redemption is just as serious, dark and gritty (if not more) as GTA IV . We also have to remember too the GTA fanbase is much larger and more established than the Red Dead series is. Peoples' expectations are different. I bet for most people Redemption was their first Western game. Hell a lot of people never realised it was a sequel.

 

Also seeing as the Western genre is fairly niche it's unlikely R* would've felt complied to change direction even if Redemption received a mixed reaction like GTA IV unless they went for something more satirical and goofy like the ​Blazing Saddles movie.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:19 AM

If RDR received the same reaction as IV there would be no RDR 2.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:02 AM

If RDR received the same reaction as IV there would be no RDR 2.

 

How do you even know that? You act like GTA IV was a universally sh*t canned game like Ride To Hell or something that had no chance of ever producing another sequel. :/

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:07 AM

 

If RDR received the same reaction as IV there would be no RDR 2.

 

How do you even know that? You act like GTA IV was a universally sh*t canned game like Ride To Hell or something that had no chance of ever producing another sequel. :/

 

Because if a new franchise gets a mixed reaction there is little motivation to do another one. I know it is technically a sequel but very few people know about Red Dead Revolver. GTA was already a beloved franchise before IV came out so they tried again with a sequel.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:10 AM

To a lot of people it probably will become a disappointment "We Miss John." "This new guy is terrible" "It isn't the same as Red Dead Redemption." I'll probably enjoy the game.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:47 AM

 

 

If RDR received the same reaction as IV there would be no RDR 2.

 

How do you even know that? You act like GTA IV was a universally sh*t canned game like Ride To Hell or something that had no chance of ever producing another sequel. :/

 

Because if a new franchise gets a mixed reaction there is little motivation to do another one. I know it is technically a sequel but very few people know about Red Dead Revolver. GTA was already a beloved franchise before IV came out so they tried again with a sequel.

 

 

Watch Dogs springs to mind. Many people didn't like the first game, but they were still motivated enough to do a sequel.

 

Whether people loved GTA IV's new direction or not it still doesn't change the fact in R*'s eyes it was a financial and critical success. Even the beloved 3D era games still had their critics. GTA IV might be a divisive game, but there's no way to know had Redemption got the "Um..uh...oh that's actually quite cool" kind reception GTA IV got it wouldn't produce another game.

 

As others have said each GTA game strides to be different from the last so with that you're likely going to get a bigger range of opinions/feelings among the fanbase than the considerably smaller Red Dead one.

 

Sticking to the idea of this thread even if R* play it safe and stick to the formula that worked for Redemption it doesn't guarantee this game won't be a disappointment. R* have to be careful here as they don't want to play it too ​safe where barely anything's changed, but not tinker around too much where it loses its charm from Redemption.

 

So to me there's still an element of potential disappointment if R* assume they can just copy and paste everything that worked in 2010 and apply today. GTAO''s deadly poison has the potential to really f*ck things up if R* get it wrong by putting it in the game.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:23 AM

 

 

 

If RDR received the same reaction as IV there would be no RDR 2.

 

How do you even know that? You act like GTA IV was a universally sh*t canned game like Ride To Hell or something that had no chance of ever producing another sequel. :/

 

Because if a new franchise gets a mixed reaction there is little motivation to do another one. I know it is technically a sequel but very few people know about Red Dead Revolver. GTA was already a beloved franchise before IV came out so they tried again with a sequel.

 

 

Watch Dogs springs to mind. Many people didn't like the first game, but they were still motivated enough to do a sequel.

 

Whether people loved GTA IV's new direction or not it still doesn't change the fact in R*'s eyes it was a financial and critical success. Even the beloved 3D era games still had their critics. GTA IV might be a divisive game, but there's no way to know had Redemption got the "Um..uh...oh that's actually quite cool" kind reception GTA IV got it wouldn't produce another game.

 

As others have said each GTA game strides to be different from the last so with that you're likely going to get a bigger range of opinions/feelings among the fanbase than the considerably smaller Red Dead one.

 

Sticking to the idea of this thread even if R* play it safe and stick to the formula that worked for Redemption it doesn't guarantee this game won't be a disappointment. R* have to be careful here as they don't want to play it too ​safe where barely anything's changed, but not tinker around too much where it loses its charm from Redemption.

 

So to me there's still an element of potential disappointment if R* assume they can just copy and paste everything that worked in 2010 and apply today. GTAO''s deadly poison has the potential to really f*ck things up if R* get it wrong by putting it in the game.

 

Dont  mind woggleman's blatant hate against GTA4..I mean "One of his favorite games"

He's stuck in a universe where a game with a 98 metacritic and more than 25 million copies sold with lots of fans still 8 years later is a game with "mixed reception"

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:44 AM

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.
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Posted 19 May 2017 - 09:25 AM

I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:57 AM

But the GTA IV backlash mainly came from internet forums, keep in mind those people didn't even come close to representing a fraction of the people who played (and still play) GTA IV. It's the same thing with V. Looking at this forum and on certain Youtube videos you'd think it were considered a bad game, but the general public mostly considers it to be an improvement over IV.

Case in point, look at GTA Online, it's treated like the worst thing ever here, yet somehow on this same forum, it's won "Favorite GTA title" on the census two (or more?) times in a row, and it's still as popular as ever today.

Internet forums aren't really a good place to judge how the general public views a piece of entertainment.
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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:10 PM Edited by anthony, 19 May 2017 - 12:13 PM.

It won't be a disappointment unless they don't include most if not everything from RDR  (water down principal gameplay elements from previous games) and finally, if they choose the writers from GTA 5. Otherwise I think I'll be safe.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:35 PM

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.

We acknowledged that. And its usual for sequels that arent a carbon copy of the prequel. It  was basically "NO PLANES! DRIVING SUCKS! YOU CANT GET FAT!!" complaints


I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 

Yeah only us crazy hipsers loved IV back in 2008! Those multiple 10/10s and the millions of copies are just hoaxes!!! Great detective work, woggleman


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:11 PM

 

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.

We acknowledged that. And its usual for sequels that arent a carbon copy of the prequel. It  was basically "NO PLANES! DRIVING SUCKS! YOU CANT GET FAT!!" complaints


I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 

Yeah only us crazy hipsers loved IV back in 2008! Those multiple 10/10s and the millions of copies are just hoaxes!!! Great detective work, woggleman

 

Reviewers gave it 10s and got roasted online because of it and while it sold millions of copies. The brand new SP DLC sold very poorly while people keep buying different versions of V over and over again. If IV was better received EFLC would have sold much better.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:20 PM Edited by DeeDogg_, 19 May 2017 - 11:17 PM.

 

 

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.

We acknowledged that. And its usual for sequels that arent a carbon copy of the prequel. It  was basically "NO PLANES! DRIVING SUCKS! YOU CANT GET FAT!!" complaints


I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 

Yeah only us crazy hipsers loved IV back in 2008! Those multiple 10/10s and the millions of copies are just hoaxes!!! Great detective work, woggleman

 

Reviewers gave it 10s and got roasted online because of it and while it sold millions of copies. The brand new SP DLC sold very poorly while people keep buying different versions of V over and over again. If IV was better received EFLC would have sold much better.

 

are you seriously comparing expansion pack sales to the sales of a completely revamped game on more powerful and faster populating hardware? have you gone off the deep end?


and while gta4 did receive little backlash, the reason the sales for the dlcs were low is because they were exclusive for xbox for multiple months

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:25 PM

If you're going to use metrics to explain why people think GTA IV sucked, you should know that it was basically an ever present in the top 5 most played games on Xbox 360 during it's entire life span. PS3 most played charts were never released, but seeing as platforms tend to mirror each other (barring exclusives, of course) you can bet PS3 was the same. It also held a healthy (modder-filled) playerbase on PC.

 

All those people playing must have really hated the game.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:37 PM

 

 

 

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.

We acknowledged that. And its usual for sequels that arent a carbon copy of the prequel. It  was basically "NO PLANES! DRIVING SUCKS! YOU CANT GET FAT!!" complaints


I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 

Yeah only us crazy hipsers loved IV back in 2008! Those multiple 10/10s and the millions of copies are just hoaxes!!! Great detective work, woggleman

 

Reviewers gave it 10s and got roasted online because of it and while it sold millions of copies. The brand new SP DLC sold very poorly while people keep buying different versions of V over and over again. If IV was better received EFLC would have sold much better.

 

are you seriously comparing expansion pack sales to the sales of a completely revamped game on more powerful and faster populating hardware? have you gone off the deep end?


and while gta4 did receive little backlash, the reason the sales for the dlcs were low is because they were exclusive for xbox for multiple months

 

Console exclusives can sell well. Look at the Uncharted series, The Last of Us and Horizon Zero Dawn did quite well. Halo does quite well for X Box exclusives and Breath of the Wild is a big seller. The point is that a lot of people chose to buy multiple versions of the same game plus pay for online money instead of buying brand new content for IV.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:43 PM Edited by Jason, 19 May 2017 - 11:43 PM.

Console exclusives can sell well. Look at the Uncharted series, The Last of Us and Horizon Zero Dawn did quite well. Halo does quite well for X Box exclusives and Breath of the Wild is a big seller. The point is that a lot of people chose to buy multiple versions of the same game plus pay for online money instead of buying brand new content for IV.

 

 

None of those games listed sell GTA-like numbers. You're comparing DLC sales for a game that released on three platforms to full-game sales for a game that released on five. It's a poor comparison.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:02 AM

Keep digging, woggle. 

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:02 AM

But the GTA IV backlash mainly came from internet forums, keep in mind those people didn't even come close to representing a fraction of the people who played (and still play) GTA IV. It's the same thing with V. Looking at this forum and on certain Youtube videos you'd think it were considered a bad game, but the general public mostly considers it to be an improvement over IV.

Case in point, look at GTA Online, it's treated like the worst thing ever here, yet somehow on this same forum, it's won "Favorite GTA title" on the census two (or more?) times in a row, and it's still as popular as ever today.

Internet forums aren't really a good place to judge how the general public views a piece of entertainment.

 

Luckily real GTA fans know the wiser then and aren't fooled by flashy graphics and a map that's as empty as Homer Simpson's head. :p

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 06:54 AM Edited by A.O.D.88, 20 May 2017 - 06:57 AM.

 

 

 

Why are people blatantly denying the amount of hate GTA IV got at launch? I didn't really play it that much back then and I still remember the backlash it constantly, this backlash died overtime as it mostly spawned from hype.

I used to be one of those people who disliked GTA IV for is sudden change in gameplay and style, though it grew on me overtime, now it's being praised as being one of the best open world games.

We acknowledged that. And its usual for sequels that arent a carbon copy of the prequel. It  was basically "NO PLANES! DRIVING SUCKS! YOU CANT GET FAT!!" complaints


I don't have hate against IV. It is one of my favorite games ever but I am not delusional about how it was received from the public. This forum lives in an alternate universe where IV was this universally beloved game and R changed the formula because they apparently hate the core fanbase which is far from the truth. 

Yeah only us crazy hipsers loved IV back in 2008! Those multiple 10/10s and the millions of copies are just hoaxes!!! Great detective work, woggleman

 

Reviewers gave it 10s and got roasted online because of it and while it sold millions of copies. The brand new SP DLC sold very poorly while people keep buying different versions of V over and over again. If IV was better received EFLC would have sold much better.

 

are you seriously comparing expansion pack sales to the sales of a completely revamped game on more powerful and faster populating hardware? have you gone off the deep end?


and while gta4 did receive little backlash, the reason the sales for the dlcs were low is because they were exclusive for xbox for multiple months

 

 

EXACTLY! Xbox 360 got A WHOLE YEAR  of platform exclusivity and woggleman can't figure out how the sales for EFLC were so skewed with PS3 and PC being locked out for that long!!!!

 

It's just Rockstar and their fanboy's with their willful ignorance in doing anything they can to justify this hideous over-focus on GTA Online!!!!!!

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:46 AM

But the GTA IV backlash mainly came from internet forums, keep in mind those people didn't even come close to representing a fraction of the people who played (and still play) GTA IV. It's the same thing with V. Looking at this forum and on certain Youtube videos you'd think it were considered a bad game, but the general public mostly considers it to be an improvement over IV.

Case in point, look at GTA Online, it's treated like the worst thing ever here, yet somehow on this same forum, it's won "Favorite GTA title" on the census two (or more?) times in a row, and it's still as popular as ever today.

Internet forums aren't really a good place to judge how the general public views a piece of entertainment.

 
Luckily real GTA fans know the wiser then and aren't fooled by flashy graphics and a map that's as empty as Homer Simpson's head. :p
Actually that's unlucky for us cause we're the minority. :p
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:20 PM

Anybody who playes GTA and enjoys it is a real GTA fan.

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