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Neon_Dreaming
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Posted 30 March 2017 - 04:22 PM

What movies or TV shows felt like missed opportunities to you. Was it an interesting concept or idea that never reached its potential, maybe a movie which suffered from studio interference, or a TV show with potential which was cancelled before it's time, not given a fair chance, perhaps it's something you were waiting a long time for which was a let down. Here are a couple of mine.

The Max Payne movie, it had a decent budget, a quality cast, Mark Wahlberg as Max was a good choice imo, Mila Kunis and Beau Bridges also featured, both solid actors. However it was let down by the nonsencial plot and forgettable dialogue, the decent action scenes weren't enough to save this.

Suicide Squad, a lot has been said about this already but for me it was a big disappointment, seeing the trailers I was actually excited for the movie, not something that happens often, however it was a poor movie, excellent casting not made the best of with a boring plot, cringy dialogue, and choppy editing. Studio interference and rushed writing played a part in this, David Ayer was given only 6 weeks to write it. Will DC learn from this, probably not.
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:46 AM

The one that sticks out the most for me would be Alien 3. With all of the behind the scenes stuff going on it's amazing the film got made in the first place.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 08:31 PM Edited by Mister Pink, 31 March 2017 - 09:17 PM.

I haven't seen Max Payne although I got the DVD free with the purchase of the game. Please forgive me for commenting on it without seeing it but when the rating is 16% it's almost unanimously sh*t so I'll just asses the what I can see from the production. These are cheap attempts at scoring a cash-how, trying to score on an established name. I was a little dubious about Mark Whalberg staring as physically, I think he's too short and almost too recognisable as Mark Wahlberg. I would have taken a lesser known actor and put the budget for a star actor in to some an established and acclaimed screenwriter. 

 

Beau Thorne who wrote the screenplay is an unknown. It's possibly a ghost name by some mediocre writer who may write episodes of Law & Order or something and wanted to make a quick buck. We know John Moore is a capable director but only has had average to poor films under his belt. 

 

The budget is 35 million!! You can't make a good film from an established franchise with a whopping budget, you shouldn't be in the game. Whomever secured the budget for this, wanted to skim on the writer and director and frivolously waste money on star lead and support. It's the the typical childish perspective of thinking the actors make the films, not the screenwriters and directors and cinematographers.

 

I reckon the film was closely being controlled by some coked-up producers in a suit and not by a film and video game nerd passionate about his craft.

 

As far as I can tell the same thing happened with Assassins Creed film. Just look up the writers and directors. If you have a sh*t team in the back-end, no actor is going to save your sh*tty screenplay and if you don't have an excellent director holding things together on the day you film will bomb. Yes, actors sell movies but I'd rather see a good movie with new faces than familiar faces in a sh*t movie.

 

The film apparently grossed 85 million so it was a commercial success. Job done. 

 

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 05:08 AM Edited by RogerWho, 01 April 2017 - 05:34 AM.

I think the Max Payne movie is okay. When it first came out, I actually liked it, and when I rewatched it recently, I still think it's fine. Certainly not terrible. I really don't understand what everyone has against it. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but it's a decent, say 5- to 6/10-ish movie with some pretty epic scenes actually. I really don't understand why this would be regarded as garbage while a crap ton of 80's hyper-action B-movies got scores 3 times higher. It's completely ridiculous.

 

Mind you, I'm a big fan of the 2 AND ONLY 2 MAX PAYNE GAMES BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 2 DON'T EVEN TRY TO ARGUE WITH ME so I should have all the reason to hate it but I still think it's okay as a standalone movie and even pretty decent when it comes to being a Max Payne piece. Mind you, the games don't really have good stories; they have ridiculous, over the top and nonsensical plots. Try to write down what happens in the games and see if it makes a good story. No; they are presented so well people mistake the stories for being good. Some subplots are nice, and a lot of the side-line stuff is great (most of which can't be translated into a movie directly), not the plots.

 

Furthermore, each of the 2 AND ONLY 2 MAX PAYNE GAMES BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 2 DON'T EVEN TRY TO F*CKING ARGUE WITH ME  is like 8 hours long, packed to the brink with action, characters, plot changes and twists and you just can't reasonably squeeze all that into a 2-hour movie and still make sense.

 

No, I think the movie was fine and completely undeserving of all that crushing criticism.

 

I also actually liked the Suicide Squad, but that's also because I'm so f*cking sick of that recent streak of superhero movies which are just so indistinguishable from each other and even leak into other genres (pick a city-destroying scene from Thor 2, Man of Steel and the last Star Trek whatever and try to tell which is which) so I appreciated that it was different.

 

Anyway for the missed opportunities, the last 2 Star Wars movies come to mind. TFA was just retarded all around and the only good thing about that were some of the visuals. I still can't process Rogue One properly but it's definitely not a classic by any stretch.

 

The biggest missed opportunities are all the TV shows that got cancelled or mangled. Flash Forward, Odyssey 5, Firefly, the last third of BGS, the last season of Babylon 5, Enterprise - sci-fi shows really don't have it easy.

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 01:35 PM

Sin City: A Dame To Kill For. Even though just like the first movie it's full of star power it just lacks that how to say it "punch" despite this.

Maybe it's because the unique graphic novel/noir style wasn't as cool as in 2005 I'm not sure, but it didn't captivate me as much.

I was really f*cking annoyed Ray Liotta had such a small role.

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 06:17 PM Edited by Mukkus, 01 April 2017 - 06:25 PM.

World of Warcraft just seemed a shell of the Lord of Rings series, and had so much more potential.  I'm not even  looking forward to the continuation,  if the same people are involved


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Posted 01 April 2017 - 08:50 PM

Well, both of the Hitman movie adaptations were horrible. It's a huge shame really, because if they'd stick to actual origins of Agent 47, they could make a hell of a movie.


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 12:55 PM

I think the Max Payne movie is okay. When it first came out, I actually liked it, and when I rewatched it recently, I still think it's fine. Certainly not terrible. I really don't understand what everyone has against it. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but it's a decent, say 5- to 6/10-ish movie with some pretty epic scenes actually. I really don't understand why this would be regarded as garbage while a crap ton of 80's hyper-action B-movies got scores 3 times higher. It's completely ridiculous.

 

Mind you, I'm a big fan of the 2 AND ONLY 2 MAX PAYNE GAMES BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 2 DON'T EVEN TRY TO ARGUE WITH ME so I should have all the reason to hate it but I still think it's okay as a standalone movie and even pretty decent when it comes to being a Max Payne piece. Mind you, the games don't really have good stories; they have ridiculous, over the top and nonsensical plots. Try to write down what happens in the games and see if it makes a good story. No; they are presented so well people mistake the stories for being good. Some subplots are nice, and a lot of the side-line stuff is great (most of which can't be translated into a movie directly), not the plots.

 

Furthermore, each of the 2 AND ONLY 2 MAX PAYNE GAMES BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 2 DON'T EVEN TRY TO F*CKING ARGUE WITH ME  is like 8 hours long, packed to the brink with action, characters, plot changes and twists and you just can't reasonably squeeze all that into a 2-hour movie and still make sense.

 

No, I think the movie was fine and completely undeserving of all that crushing criticism.

 

I also actually liked the Suicide Squad, but that's also because I'm so f*cking sick of that recent streak of superhero movies which are just so indistinguishable from each other and even leak into other genres (pick a city-destroying scene from Thor 2, Man of Steel and the last Star Trek whatever and try to tell which is which) so I appreciated that it was different.

 

Anyway for the missed opportunities, the last 2 Star Wars movies come to mind. TFA was just retarded all around and the only good thing about that were some of the visuals. I still can't process Rogue One properly but it's definitely not a classic by any stretch.

 

The biggest missed opportunities are all the TV shows that got cancelled or mangled. Flash Forward, Odyssey 5, Firefly, the last third of BGS, the last season of Babylon 5, Enterprise - sci-fi shows really don't have it easy.

Suicide Squad's biggest problem is that it wasn't unique enough tbh. You have this super cool set up of villains being used by the government with no regard for their well being and they're all small time characters; and instead of giving them a grounded goal/objective you have a sh*tty save the world plot. Acting was that movie's only saving grace.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:12 AM

   I didn't make it through Suicide Squad, and I've even endured Superman vs Batman...


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:18 PM

Friends is a very good series but it would be much better without all these fµcking garbage lovestories in some episodes.

 

Crossing Jordan would have been way better if it wasn't so filled with all these scenes about the characters' personal tragedies.

 

SWAT would have been much more agreable to watch if Olivier Martinez wasn't inside.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:58 AM Edited by zuckmeslow, 08 April 2017 - 04:59 AM.

Jurassic world was an amazing idea. A jurassic park movie that takes place in the actual working park, finally. It would have been so epic and suspensful with something going wrong and a bunch of dinosaurs getting loose. Unfortunately the movie was nothing but a generic cgi monster movie with horrible characters, no suspense, no thrills and a horrible theme park design.

It was as if the people who made the movie had never been to a theme park before. it would have been much more effective if the park felt like something that could exist in our world instead of some high tech futuristic bubble cars that people can drive around.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:53 PM Edited by Neon_Dreaming, 21 April 2017 - 03:54 PM.

Does anybody remember Vegas which came out a few years ago. It was set in 1960. Dennis Quaid and Michael Chikils starred, the former was a rancher turned sheriff who is out to counter the mob who have set up a casino in Vegas, Michael Chiklis plays the mob boss who moves in to run the casino.

They had a quality cast but let down by the poor storylines and average writing, the opening episode promised quality but unfortunately it couldn't maintain that standard.

Maybe if the series had been shorter instead of the twenty something episodes in the first and only series there could have been a more concise and focused story, instead of the bad guy/event of the week which would be dealt with by the end of the episode. I believe this was a CBS production, it they had let if have the showtime treatment, less episodes, better standard of writing, then this could have really been something.
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