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Posted 27 February 2017 - 07:21 PM

I recently played GTA 4 and TLAD from start to finish.
Back in 2013 when JK got his head stomped and Terry and Clay running like cowards, taken out by a single bullet from a pistol I was disappointed how Rockstar put them to an end.
Actually, Terry and Clay still have poor deaths.

Now my point is, the development of Johnny K between GTA 4 and TLAD.
Everything we see in 4 is a rough and rugged biker.
His appearance is grittier.
They changed Johnny to some tryna-be-niko-bellic-moral-wise, giving him a biker apparel to appeal to the masses and made him more accessible and acceptable for the masses.
It doesn't fit and I can't take him seriously.
He is against war? Then going all out.
HOW it ia executed...it just doesn't fit.
So, good thing they pushed him more into this directon...making him getting addicted to Ashley again.

Also Jim Fitzgerald, making him a coloured best friend of Johnny wheras he is a white patriot talking bout "ride like real Americans" to Niko during the subway chase.
It was to step away from the impression Johnny could be a racist.

R* didn't have the balls to go into this bold direction back then.
So, good thing they killed him off.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 04:39 AM

Didn't really see it as bold, I saw it as a way to establish Trevor and put him over, to me it was just rushed and inconsistent with the previous portrayal of the Lost.
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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:12 PM Edited by DIze, 19 April 2017 - 02:13 PM.

It's good that Trevor Philips killed Johnny Klebitz.
The important bikers like Jim, Brian, Billy, Clay & Terry got killed coz of him.
Billy was ALWAYS good to Johnny. It was Johnny who kept opposing Billy. At last, when he couldn't defeat Billy by lobbying, he ratted him down. In tLaD, he got Billy, Jim & Brian killed.
In V, he got Terry & Clay killed!!!
He also ratted out Ray Boccino.
That's why the LS Chapter of TLMC said in a mission,
"Johnny Klebitz was never fit for the Lost man. Billy Grey was a good leader. Let it go, let's take a ride."

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 06:13 PM

Billy was a junkie who was going to get the lost killed, Johnny made the right choice putting a bullet in him and burning down the club. IMO, I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and rotting, guy was brought down by Ashley and her drug problem, eventually he would've got on drugs as well.
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:09 AM

I dont know why they'd put Ashley in the gang. She neither fought wars nor owns a BIKE! But sadly, she's considered as a biker.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:13 AM

Ashley was a pass around, Billy and almost everyone else had a turn with her, they also kept her safe but Johnny wasn't happy with her drug use.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 07:58 AM

Billy was a selfish asshole, if you cant see that, you didnt understand the whole f*cking plot. 

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 03:02 PM Edited by The American Army 1775, 15 May 2017 - 03:03 PM.

I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and ratting.

Yes, exactly. Otherwise he would have ratted out more innocent people like Billy, Brian, Ray & Jim etc.
His death fits really good ;).

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:35 PM

 

I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and ratting.

Yes, exactly. Otherwise he would have ratted out more innocent people like Billy, Brian, Ray & Jim etc.
His death fits really good ;).

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Im laughing real hard here.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:50 PM Edited by B Dawg, 18 May 2017 - 04:52 PM.

Well technically, Ray was innocent. Johnny K was the bad guy in this situation (hey, at least for once we got a protagonist that has the balls to rip off a mission giver for a big ass profit)

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:58 PM

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:19 PM

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.

And then he got betrayed by Pegorino ordering Niko to kill him :(

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:38 PM

Wasnt Ray the one rat talking to the fed? That was the reason why Pegorino killed him, right? I mean, they kill Anthony and they still think there's still a rat in the family, and no way Phil was the one talking.

 

And even if he wasnt a rat at all, he was scumbag.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 03:04 PM

The criminal lifestyle Johnny, Terry, Clay and many other Lost bikers lived its not a surprise they'd be killed, Jason Michaels was killed for his relationship with a mob bosse's Daughter, Billy re-started the War with the Angels of Death, a war that had gotten many Lost members killed, Angus got crippled (lets end it at that).

I guess Johnny was better of being killed in sort of in his prime before he experienced the toll of his lifestyle leave him a weak and damaged old man, that leg and any other injury would just of gotten worse with old age, I understand why its seen as a stupid death for Johnny but actually makes sense, he was always weak when it came Ashley, she got in trouble and he is there to save her, he knew he needed to cut her off for good but he's too weak emotionally to do that, he still loves Ashley and Rockstar showed that in a literal sense with Johnny being weak and skinny and getting killed easily by a raging psychotic redneck known as Trevor Philips all because of his love for Ashley.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:00 PM

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.

And then he got betrayed by Pegorino ordering Niko to kill him :(
Raymond Boccino taught that backstabber Johnny, the biker scumbag a good leason that he wont forget in his life. It was all Johnny's fault. The Lost could really survive well if he had accepted Billy's orders. It's good that he's dead.
He ratted out 4 men & got ratted by ONE MAN, ONE MAN!
His Lost members too accept, "Johnny K was never a good leader of The Lost MC. Billy Grey was a real brother of Lost"
The other TLMC Mems also knew Johnny well. That's why they supported Brian rather than Johnny.
At last, a rat got caught up by a cat.

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 10:01 AM

It was all Johnny's fault. The Lost could really survive well if he had accepted Billy's orders. It's good that he's dead. He ratted out 4 men

Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:39 PM

The Lost would not have survived with either Billy or Johnny as both were terrible leaders.
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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by The American Army 1775, 4 weeks ago.

No man, Billy Grey was never a terrible leader. He used to make plans and he had respect for his Lost brothers. It was Johnny who sold Billy's bike to the Deadbeats in the name of 'Truce'. He could steal another similar Revenant and give it to The Deadbeats. He just wanted to stab Billy, either in front or at back.

"Johnny, have you met Ray Bo Ccino? Ray, Johnny my brother "

"The almighty forgives Johnny, The Lost dont"
[And he gifted Johnny the grenade launcher he'd brought from Ray]

"You're my brother Johnny. Always."

Then he ratted out Ray and got Jim killed.
He killed Billy after killing Brian.

In GTA V, Trevor killed him coz Johnny abused him. It was Johnny's fault, not Trevor's. At last, most probably after dying, he got his remaining friends - Terry and Clay killed too.

Johnny was a complete backstabber and it was necessary for R* to shut him up somehow.

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Posted 4 weeks ago Edited by B Dawg, 4 weeks ago.

In GTA V, Trevor killed him coz Johnny abused him.

Lol, I wish Johnny did abuse him and treat him like a little crying bitch that he is. At least then, Trevor would have had a proper end-game antagonist.

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Posted 3 weeks ago

Billy was a selfish asshole, if you cant see that, you didnt understand the whole f*cking plot. 

also billy set up johhny and jim in the "this sh*t is cursed mission" in tbogt you can see billy plotting on johnny with the triads.


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Posted 3 weeks ago Edited by The American Army 1775, 3 weeks ago.

No, Billy Grey was not that kind of man.
He was probably forced to do that. Johnny and Jim were becoming headache for The Lost.
Though Billy made a plan to set J & J up, still, he changed his mind. He realized his mistake. Jim and Johnny forced him to go to CT. He knew that Johnny and Him will escape from there. That's why he'd waited for both of them.
After the cops came to him, he said "You set me up Johnny!"
He meant there "Johnny! Come and help me."
But Johnny and Jim stood there watching the show. They didn't help Billy to get out of there.




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