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Posted 03 February 2017 - 05:25 AM Edited by GTAIVOldSchooler, 03 February 2017 - 05:33 AM.

Originally posted by " Rooneye" on gtaforums.com. Posted 2008, revised and updated with new pictures by myself as of 2017.
 
 
The original author of this Rooneye and myself have one thing in common. We love the gangs in GTA IV, they are discrete, dangerous and a plenty around Liberty City. However unlike other Grand Theft Auto titles, in IV gangs are not pointed out or even shown to you ( aside from some interactions through story missions ). Some gangs are all over a certain area, scattered across blocks and cruising by the tens in the area streets. While others may be isolated in small territories, hidden away in allies and parking lots. In playing GTA IV for as many years as i have , i located and documented many. However in playing and RP'ing a little with LCPD:FR, i have literally found them all with the assistance of Rooneye and this old 2008 guide i have since revised.
 
How to Idendify a gang member
 
engage them physically (Not the D.E.N.N.I.S system way) via bumping into them multiple times. If they repeat a passive phrase retake their stance, or run off screaming after 2 or so nudges they are not a gang member. Shocker right?. However if they alter their posture toward you and question your presence or ask who you are or what you doing there, odd's are they are a gang member. Past the bumping and questing when they start to fight back you pull out a gun, if they continue to fight you or they pull out a weapon then they are a gang member. If they dont do that then they aren't a gang member. Or equip a gun and walk into them, if they tell you to put the gun away they are a gang member. Unless you are working for them (see “Gang Mentality” below), in which case they wont hit you or tell you to put weapon away.
Also gangs control and defend a territory and can be seen in that area walking around, conversing, smoking, etc.
 
However bare in mind based on the LCPD :FR Script some civilians you encounter who are criminals will posses weapons and be aggressive although they are not in gangs.
 
Gang mentality: 
 
When getting into a physical altercation with a gang member without a firearm it usually ends up in a 2 vs 1 scenario. Another member witnesses your attack, and comes to back his friend. Once you wound or knock out one member, don't be surprised if a another runs up from a nearby sidewalk to challenge you as well.
When you engage  a gang member with a firearm you can expect all nearby civivilans to scatter, police to be coming as well as nearby gang members to assist their friend under fire. I have seen up to 4-5 members engage in a firefight with police or niko at any given time.
 
Vehicles: 
 
Gangs each have two gang vehicles that are unique (or modded). e.g the Spanish Lords have a red and gold cavalcade that has a massive sound system in the boot and they have a red and gold primo too. However the Russian Mafia seem to have 4 cars. This could be due to two separate Russian Mafia factions, Faustins and Petrovics?. Or could there be a separate Eastern European gang in Hove Beach?. Up to you to decide.
Gang cars are only found (normally) in their respective gang s turf, however they can be driven sometimes by normal peds, but most of the time a gang member or 2 will be in them. However sometimes their vehicles will have 1 or more civilian occupant ( girlfriend, non gang associate friend, etc ).
 
Appearance: 
 
Each gang has a unique look and vibe, and a variety of attires and member appearances. Whether it be the Russian Mafia or the Latino Gangs in Cerveza Heights, you will notice members sport different outfits. Although the outfit and appearance may differ, the alliance is the same. Bare in mind each gang is different in it's appearance, and their look is a key identifying factor.
 
Some gangs look exactly the same like the North Holland Hustlers and Firefly Projects M.O.B. These two gangs have the same looking members as each other, those big fats dudes as well as those that dress in the orange sweat suit and blue/red tracksuits. And the Firefly Projects M.O.B gang always talk about “Holland” as if they come from there. Ive read people say the Firefly Projects gang wear red (bloods) and the NHH wear blue (crips). I dont believe this is the case, both gangs wear both colours depending on what gangsters spawn in the area and a lot of the times you see both blue and red together. Those big fat dudes often wear red hoodys and there some who wear blue tracksuit tops with and bottoms/shoes with blue in or the other way around, these people are in both gangs. Both gangs also drive the same cars (Patriot with lights on & Intruder with TVs on the back of the seats). So they're either the same gang or 2 different “sets” of a gang or just a different gang that look exactly the same and drive the same cars.
 
 
The Gangs 
 
Russian Mafia 
 
Turf: Broker - Hove Beach, Firefly Island, Beachgate,
Cars: Black Mafia Schafter; Black Mafiya Sentinel; Black Rebla; Balista Compact ( Rear Window slides)
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Shotgun; Uzi;
 
The Russian Mafia are a big and influential gang based in the south part or Broker. Members can be seen all over Hove Beach, Firefly Island and Beachgate in large numbers. 
They wear many different things including; Suites, Russian hats, leather gloves, army bottoms, black/diamond turtle necks, green/brown suite jackets and loads more. 
Some have tattoos on there hands, some have a Soviet hammer & sickle on the back of the hand, some have a cross in the palm and some have a tattoo on the back of the hand which i cant identify as its too hard to see, I think theres 2 of these. 
 
Vehicle Examples :
 
 
Russian Mafia Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
M.O.B -  Money Over Bitches 
 
Turf: Broker - Firefly Projects; Alderney - Acter;
Cars: Back Modded Patriot; Black Landstalker with TVs in.
Weapons: Knife; Baseball Bat; Pistol; Uzi; 
 
M.O.B (money over bitches)can be found in large numbers in the Firefly Projects around the parks and basketball courts. Im sure I once heard one of them saying "Is the B Bitches or Bullsh*t?" to another, in reference with the name.
Can also be found in Acter, though im not really sure if its the same gang as the North Holland Hustlers also look exactly the same so it could be 3 different gangs, 1 big gang or 2 gangs. All I know is theres no difference between them looks wise or anything.
They can be identified easily as they often wear silver/platinum chain with $ or a money note, again in reference with their name and also silver/platinum/ice watches which most of them seem to have. They dress in "Hip Hop" style clothing with baggy bottoms/jeans and hooded tops with Timberland boots. You can see some members wearing orange/ice blue hoodys or jogging bottoms and black/white t shirts with gold chains and also flat caps sometimes they'll be wearing long winter jackets with furry hoods. Some members were the puffy coats and white and red tracksuit bottoms. There's also the big fat baldy type that wear coats with white collar and cuffs with leather gloves. They sometimes wear black or white & gold bandannas too. Also they walk with a kind of “swagger” dropping their shoulder a lot.
This gang looks exactly like the North Holland Hustlers and you can hear them talking about Holland a lot as if they come from there and they drive the same cars.
 
MOB Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
 
MOB Member Vehicle Example : 
 
 
 
 
Jamaican Posse 
 
Turf: Broker - Shottler, Beechwood City; Dukes - Willis
Cars: Green & Black Voodoo with gold rims & trim; Green & Black Huntley Sport with gold rims & trim
Weapons: Pistol; Shotgun; Uzi;
 
The Jamaicans seem to be well armed (probably due to Jacob)as most of them seem to have a gun, I've never seen any pull a knife or bat. They can be found around Homebrew café in Beechwood City and they also seem to control Shottler and Willis. Their cars are painted with the Jamaican flag colours (Green, black & gold).
They can be easily identified by the way they talk, dreadlocks, purple/bright colored suites, Rasta tams (hats), green Military/combat gear, Rasta colored (red yellow green black)clothes, etc.
 
Jamaican Posse Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
 
Jamaincan Posee Member Vehicle Type Examples : 
 
 
 
Spanish Lords 
 
Turf: Broker - Cerveza Heights; Bohan - South Bohan; Alogonquin - East Holland; Alderney - Alderney City
Cars: Red & Gold Cavalcade with big speakers in the back; Red & Gold Primo;
Weapons: Knife, Pistol, Uzi
 
Spanish Lords are the Puerto Rican gang. They are one and the same gang, there isn't a separate Puerto Rican gang, the Puerto Ricans are the Spanish Lords. They are based on the real life NYC gang "Latin Kings" ive read somewhere. They can often be seen wearing the Puerto Rican flag and colors with the word "Boricua" (Which basically means Puerto Rican i think)written on it. As well as this they can be seen wearing yellow & black, they will always wear either of these (so if they aren't wearing yellow or black then they'll be wearing the Puerto Rican flag colours and vice versa, sometimes both together).They sometimes wear yellow or Puerto Rican bandannas, and they sometimes wear gold chains or yellow & black beads around their necks, but these come in different colors. They could be black & blue, black & purple, black & red or just black as well as black and yellow. However there is one bead chain thats different from the others and its always black & yellow, its different from the others because the "stripes" are smaller. 
Members often have "Pitchfork" or “Crown” tattoos on their neck/head, which along with the black and yellow beads are symbols of The People & Folk Nations, specifically the People Nation. The People & Folk Nations aren't gangs, they are alliances under which gangs are aligned.
They come in three main "looks" it seems, there's the little, fat, baldy men with black tops and gold chains (they look a bit like Manny), theres the taller, fatish, dark haired and usually with a big tash who wear puffy coats and Puerto Rican colors and there's the younger, slim looking ones with yellow or white t-shirts with yellow/blue/red caps on or baseball jackets.
They have territory on all of the main islands, which makes them a big and powerful gang in Liberty City. They have a high presence in their territory, you always see high numbers of them when on their turf.
 
Spanish Lords Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
Spanish Lords Member Vehicle Examples : 
 
 
 
Angels of Death M.C 
 
Turf: Broker – Beechwood City, BOABO
Cars: Hellfury;
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Shotgun;
 
Motorcycle gang, obviously based on the Hells Angels gang. Ride around on “Harley like” bikes. Very easy to identify them, as like the Lost, they wear their name and logo on their jackets or T-shirts. They wear motorcycle/hells angels type black leather gear with red cloth, sometimes with helmets on. Usually they're either really fat with a big beard or really skinny with a helmet on there head. Often have many tattoos. They can usually be found hanging around auto repairs shops/scrapyards with loads of rusty cars about the place in both Beechwood City and in BOABO . The angels of Death use a Skull as their logo.
They currently have a feud and are rivals with The Lost Brotherhood M.C gang.
 
Angels Of Death MC Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
 
 
Angels Of Death Member Vehicle Example : 
 
 
 
Irish Mob 
Turf: Dukes - Steinway
Cars: Green Contender + mounted headlights with green caps also front grill/bumper; Black/green Oracle with modded grill, bumper and removed logos
Weapons: Knife; Baseball Bat; Pistol; Shotgun;
 
The Irish Mob can be identified as they are one on the few gangs to wear a certain color, green. Near enough all of them have something with green on them. In fact I cant remember seeing one without green on, even their cars are green. The also normally wear faded dark jeans, waistcoats green hoodys, lots of denim, etc. Headed by the McCreary family, they're normally around Steinway Beer garden, which they own.
 
Irish Mob Member Appearence & Attire Examples :
 
 
Irish Mob Member Vehicle Examples : 
 
 
 
Albanian Mob 
Turf: Bohan - Little Bay
Cars: Red Futo GT with red bucket seat on drivers side; Red Hakumai with twin exhaust and spoiler
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Shotgun; 
 
The Albanians seem like a small insignificant gang in Liberty City. They control a small out of the way part of Bohan, Little Bay, and they arent even big in that area. They're very hard to find, theres not many on the streets unlike the Russians or Spanish Lords. I don't know if its just me, but they seem to come out a lot more when its dark. The Albanians are not in Hove Beach.
They can usually be identified by their green caps with the Albanian eagle crest on it or black wooly hats. They also seem to wear the same black shoes/boots and mostly wear jeans, or blue camo bottoms black leather jackets. Some wear racing jackets similar to the one you get in that mission.
They seem to hate the Italians, they're always shouting stuff about them.
 
Albanian Mob Member Attire & Appearence Examples : 
 
 
Albanian Mob Member Vehicle Examples : 
 
 
 
North Holland Hustlers 
 
Turf: Algonquin – North Holland;
Cars: Back Modded Patriot; Black Landstalker with TVs in.
Weapons: Knife; Baseball Bat; Pistol; Uzi; 
 
The North Holland Hustlers, as the name suggests, control North Holland in Algonquin. The gang look exactly the same as M.O.B both have the same peds and they wear the same clothes. They also drive the same cars and wear the $ sign medallions. This is Dwain Forges (or Playboy X) gang and if your good friends with Dwain this is the gang from which he sends two thugs to help you.
 
Examples  : 
 
 
Italian Mafia (Cosa Nostra & Pegorinos) 
 
Turf: Algonquin - Little Italy; Alderney – Westdyke;
Cars: Black Mafia Sentinel XS; Black PMP 600 with spoiler.
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Uzi; SMG
 
The Italian Mafia or Cosa Nostra in Liberty City is an alliance of 5 mafia crime families, Messina, Pavano, Luispella, Ancelotti and Gambetti. Aswell as these 5 families theres also the Pegorino family who are not part of the Cosa Nostra, but are still a smaller Mafia outfit in Alderney, who look the same and drive the same cars. The Mafia are a powerful organization in Liberty, but their grip is slipping and other gangs are getting bigger.
They wear a number of different things including; Black suites with black tie (Classic Mafia style), light colored suites, open shirts with rolled up sleeves with vest, tracksuits (fat men), tropical shirts with trousers and open jacket, flatcaps, shades. They speak in an Italian-American accent and can be found around Drusilla's in Little Italy(Cosa Nostra) aswell as around Westdyke (Pegorinos).
 
Italian Mafia Member Attire & Appearence Examples : 
 
 
Italian Mafia Member Vehicle Examples : 
 
 
 
Chinese Triads 
 
 
Turf: Algonquin - Chinatown
Cars: Dark blue modded Feroci with gold rims, custom bumper & skirting, twin exhaust, removed logos, says JDM VIP on the back; Intruder VX with custom bumper and skirting, both cars also have a Chinese tassel hanging from the mirror.
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Uzi;
 
The Triads control Chinatown, identifying them, there seem to be three or four main types, there's big fat guys normally with an open jacket on, guys wearing black suites and theres guys who wear Chinese dragon shirts. All look Chinese/Japanese and sound it too. Members also often have dragon tattoos on the arms. They run the weapon shop in Chinatown and seem to be well armed as a result with lots of them carrying Uzi's. You can easily spot their vehicles as they have a Chinese tassel hanging from the rear-view mirror.
 
Chinese Triad Member Attire & Appearance Examples : 
 
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The Lost Brotherhood M.C 
 
Turf: Alderney – Acter;
Cars: Black Zombie with red rims;
Weapons: Knife; Pistol; Shotgun;
 
Another motorcycle gang in Liberty, The Lost Brotherhood are fierce rivals with Angels of Death. They can be found in Acter they wear motorcycle gear with their name on it aswell as their logo which is an eagle. Members often have shaved heads, bandannas, piercings, rings, goaties, sleevless jackets and they speak with redneck accents.
 
Lost MC Member Attires and Appearance Examples : 
 
 
Lost MC Member Vehicles : 
 
( Van with same colors ) 
 
 
Korean Mob 
 
Turf: Alderney – Alderney City;
Cars: Dark Blue Modded Supercharged Presidente with black rims, spoiler and modded grill; Blue Sultan 3.5 Twin Turbo with gold rims, modded hood and spoiler; 
Weapons: Knife; Baseball Bat; Pistol; Uzi; 
 
The Korean Mob share turf in Alderney City with The Spanish Lords. They seem to be on friendly terms with them and can often been seen driving with them in the same vehicle or bike and they often talk together. They dont stand out as much because they dont wear particular colours or style. They can be identified mainly by their Korean looking face and black hair with centre parting, tracksuit tops, black trousers with chain hanging from pocket, waistcoat and hoody, red trainers.
 
Korean Mob Member Attire & Appearance Example : 
 
 
Korean Mob Member Vehicle Example : 
 
 
 
 
Summary : Well, that about sums it up. Sorry i did not take more pictures of the gang members and or their vehicle types. Rooneye had good ones uploaded but they have all since expired due to how old the links were. A lot of people do not even know there are any gangs in GTA IV since they are not crammed in your face blatantly like in San Andreas or GTA V. There are twelve official gangs in the game that are scattered all around GTA IV's map. 
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 05:27 AM

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 05:35 AM

ok.

 

 

Alrighty then... :whistle:


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:20 AM Edited by Jeansowaty, 03 February 2017 - 11:24 AM.

You made a couple of mistakes. The NHH and the M.O.B. are considered as ONE gang in the files - while the Russian Mafia is split up into two sets, the Gang and the Mafia. The African Americans (as I like to call them) hang out in Firefly Projects, North Holland and Acter. Now to the Russians, the Russian Mafia (which I personally think are members of Faustin's/Rascalov's faction) is set to drive black Schafters and Reblas and they carry knives, pistols and Micro Uzi's. These reside in Hove Beach, Firefly Island and Beachgate. The Russian Gang (which I take as Petrovic's goons) only hangs out in Hove Beach and packs heavier weapons - pistols, pump shotguns and AK-47s. Here's a corrected list of all the gangs and their respective weapons - each gang has 3 weapons.

 

Albanian Mob - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Angels of Death MC - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Lost MC - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Italian Mafia (The Commission) - Pistol, Combat Shotgun, MP5 SMG

Russian Mafia - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Russian Gang - Pistol, Pump Shotgun, AK-47

Irish Mob - Baseball Bat, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Jamaicans - Pistol, Micro Uzi, Pump Shotgun

African Americans - Baseball Bat, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Korean Mob - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Triads (known Chinese-Japanese Gang in the files) - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Puerto Ricans (Spanish Lords) - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

 

Now up to the relationships - each gang has different reactions to Niko depending on which mission you've done last. In the beginning all gangs are neutral though that can change. If a gang is neutral, they won't really mind you and will rarely attack you/give chase if you provoke a fight in their area, but they will. Hostile gangs engage more in fights than the neutral ones and unlike other peds, aiming your gun at them will make you see their health reticule. Friendly gangs will never fight you and their health is shown in blue, unlike other peds. They will also aid you in case you're being beaten up by another pedestrian/shot by a rival gangster.

 

Albanian Mob - Hostile after Bleed Out.

Angels of Death MC - Always neutral.

Lost MC - Hostile after No Way On The Subway.

Italian Mafia (The Commission) - Always neutral (not sure but that may change after the end of the game to hostile).

Russian Mafia - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

Russian Gang - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

Irish Mob - Friendly after Harbouring a Grudge.

Jamaicans - Friendly after Shadow.

African Americans - Always neutral.

Korean Mob - Hostile after Dining Out.

Triads - Always neutral.

Puerto Ricans (Spanish Lords) - Always neutral.

 

I hope that I helped :) the gang relations are different in EFLC and the Russian Gang gets replaced by the Uptown Riders in TLAD, but their guns stay.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:02 PM Edited by Official General, 04 February 2017 - 12:17 AM.

You forgot the Northwood Dominican Drug gang. They are in TBOGT. No IV gang list is complete without them.

You love of the subject of gangs is not reflected in your real life knowledge of them either. To say "at least gangs are not crammed in your face" in IV as they are in San Andreas and GTA V shows you failed to recognise the very good, hard work Rockstar put into making the gang scenes in the HD era of GTA very realistic and on point.

Gangs are "crammed" in your face in SA and V simply because their real life counterparts in Los Angeles are generally very visible and in your face. The Black and Hispanic gangs in LA like the Bloods, Crips, Surenos, MS13, etc - they all wear gang colours, sport lots of distinguishing tattoos, and very often openly brandish guns/weapons. For some reason, street gangs in LA have much more control and authority over their territories (even more than the police) than in NYC and other main American cities. That's why the gangs in SA and V are depicted in such an " in your face " manner. In real life New York City, they are plenty of street gangs like in LA, but they generally blend into the general local populations of where they reside, and due to NYC's extremely strict civilian gun ownership laws, they are very discreet about carrying guns - hence why the gangs in IV are much less conspicuous and not so in your face.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 02:38 PM Edited by Jeansowaty, 04 February 2017 - 02:39 PM.

Oh yeah, the ND3 is quite a unique gang. They are not set to be a gang itself in the files, rather, they're considered to be part of the Spanish Lords in the peds.ide, that's the reason why they never fight. They're also put under regular peds in various afro-american/latino populated areas, that's what makes them so abundant all over LC and Alderney. Due to not being set as a proper gang but rather as pedestrians that are assigned as Spanish Lords, they don't have any specific cars. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they carry different weapons from the Puerto Ricans? i.e. Knives, Pistols and Uzi's?

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 08:37 PM Edited by Official General, 06 February 2017 - 11:55 AM.

Oh yeah, the ND3 is quite a unique gang. They are not set to be a gang itself in the files, rather, they're considered to be part of the Spanish Lords in the peds.ide, that's the reason why they never fight. They're also put under regular peds in various afro-american/latino populated areas, that's what makes them so abundant all over LC and Alderney. Due to not being set as a proper gang but rather as pedestrians that are assigned as Spanish Lords, they don't have any specific cars. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they carry different weapons from the Puerto Ricans? i.e. Knives, Pistols and Uzi's?

 
The ND3 are not part of the Spanish Lords, they are their own gang, but they do share the same script code as Spanish Lords, that's why they never fight with each other and are always seen together in the same neighbourhoods. I'm guessing this is due to the fact that both gangs both belong to the Hispanic ethnicity. You're right, they don't have special gang cars, they can be seen driving any kind of car.
 
Yep indeed. The ND3 carry 9mm pistols, Uzis and knifes, just like the Spanish Lords. They are also very often armed with guns rather than knives, and they are highly unlikely to run away from a confrontation, unlike the Spanish Lords, who sometimes run away from fights quite frequently.
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Posted 04 February 2017 - 08:39 PM Edited by Jeansowaty, 04 February 2017 - 08:39 PM.

Yeah, them sharing code with the SL was what I meant with "being part of the SL" :p Also notice, what the ND3 are supposed to be in "A Long Way To Fall" are just the Puerto Ricans.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 11:26 AM

In tLaD, TBOGT.
TLMC & AOD drive a number of bikes, which are not present in gta IV.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:55 PM Edited by yeahmantiptap, 05 February 2017 - 03:55 PM.

Nice topic

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 08:57 PM Edited by Official General, 12 February 2017 - 09:02 PM.

Yeah, them sharing code with the SL was what I meant with "being part of the SL" :p Also notice, what the ND3 are supposed to be in "A Long Way To Fall" are just the Puerto Ricans.

 

You're kinda right, except the guys in "A Long Way To Fall" are not confirmed Puerto Ricans like most of the Spanish Lords. They use generic Hispanic ped models for the ND3 guys in that mission, well in the cutscenes anyway.

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 01:50 AM

What about the skinheads that hang around the subway in Middle Park & the Northwood projects?

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 09:47 AM

What about the skinheads that hang around the subway in Middle Park & the Northwood projects?


They are not a gang as far as I know and they don't carry weapons either. I think the are just street punks that like to act a bit tough.

However there are a bunch of white, biker-looking guys (but not seen riding motorcycles) found only in Acter and Berchem in Alderney, and they wear a T-shirt saying "Gunthugs". Even more intriguing is that they are often armed with pistols and shotguns, so they definitely must be a gang of some kind. They will shoot at anyone who fires a gun near them too. But they are not very obvious and they don't have any gang vehicles.

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 11:20 AM

They're part of the Lost MC, OG. One of the Lost MC models bears this logo on his shirt. Not a different gang but perhaps a BETA name of the Lost or a small-time club in a deep alliance with them. The Bikers in IV are rushed though, a prime example is that their peds are all have the "gbik" prefix and that the wrong models appear on Most Wanted missions (such as, Simon Nashly is a Lost MC dude while his goons are AOD members).

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 10:48 PM

In tLaD, TBOGT.
TLMC & AOD drive a number of bikes, which are not present in gta IV.

Why do you always write "tLaD" ? Its The Lost and Damned and you're putting it like "the Lost and Damned" and it looks totally ridiculous.First letter in a sentence is always a capital one

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 03:24 AM

In tLaD, TBOGT.
TLMC & AOD drive a number of bikes, which are not present in gta IV.

Why do you always write "tLaD" ? Its The Lost and Damned and you're putting it like "the Lost and Damned" and it looks totally ridiculous.First letter in a sentence is always a capital one
Not here though.
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Posted 12 February 2017 - 05:19 AM

Russian Mafia - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

Russian Gang - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

I think the Russian Mob is actually just meant to be one generic representation of both sides, seeing as they don't have any kind of faction based dialogue ("Dmitri Rascalov sends his regards!" or something like that). Sort of like how instead of having unique Gambetti mobsters alongside Pegorino mobsters, etc R* just made a big pool of ordinary Mobster models.

 

Actually, if you pay attention to the Ruskies in Free Roam before that mission, you'll notice that none of them use the Uzi or AK-47 until after you've completed it (or it might be after Roman's Sorrow, it's a little hard to tell since you barely get any time to go check). So I think it's more likely that the gang is specifically setup to not use those weapons until after the mission to make the early stages of the game less difficult, I mean, imagine how annoying it'd be to get blasted by a Kalash during your first free-roam shootout?


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Posted 12 February 2017 - 04:38 PM

Yes, I've noticed it as well, but believe me, the files show that there are TWO Russian factions. During missions, both of them appear as just the "Russians" but in Hove Beach if you provoke a fight, the two gangs will often shoot at each other.


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Posted 12 February 2017 - 06:43 PM Edited by B Dawg, 12 February 2017 - 06:48 PM.

They're part of the Lost MC, OG. One of the Lost MC models bears this logo on his shirt. Not a different gang but perhaps a BETA name of the Lost or a small-time club in a deep alliance with them. The Bikers in IV are rushed though, a prime example is that their peds are all have the "gbik" prefix and that the wrong models appear on Most Wanted missions (such as, Simon Nashly is a Lost MC dude while his goons are AOD members).

Not only that, but one of the peds labeled as Lost member by file name (gbik_02_lo_02) is textured as an Angel Of Death (is also part of the Angels Of Death group) but has Lost MC voice lines (Comfort Injured Gang Member line: It's okay brother, you'll always be in The Lost)

 

In Multiplayer Mafiya Work, one of the objectives is killing a bunch of biker gang members (Lost and Angels) that seem to be hanging out together.

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 07:54 PM

Interesting, I've never played on MP so that confirms what I said. I think that the "lo" and "hi" in their names refer to their ranks in the gangs, with "lo" being low-ranking, while "hi" stands for high-ranking. What do you think?

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 08:28 PM Edited by B Dawg, 12 February 2017 - 08:31 PM.

Hmm, that does make more sense now after looking into pedgrp.dat

 

A lot of gangs have their own Hi's and Lo's, some only have Lo's.

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 03:53 AM Edited by GTAIVOldSchooler, 02 July 2017 - 03:56 AM.

You made a couple of mistakes. The NHH and the M.O.B. are considered as ONE gang in the files - while the Russian Mafia is split up into two sets, the Gang and the Mafia. The African Americans (as I like to call them) hang out in Firefly Projects, North Holland and Acter. Now to the Russians, the Russian Mafia (which I personally think are members of Faustin's/Rascalov's faction) is set to drive black Schafters and Reblas and they carry knives, pistols and Micro Uzi's. These reside in Hove Beach, Firefly Island and Beachgate. The Russian Gang (which I take as Petrovic's goons) only hangs out in Hove Beach and packs heavier weapons - pistols, pump shotguns and AK-47s. Here's a corrected list of all the gangs and their respective weapons - each gang has 3 weapons.

 

Albanian Mob - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Angels of Death MC - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Lost MC - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Italian Mafia (The Commission) - Pistol, Combat Shotgun, MP5 SMG

Russian Mafia - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Russian Gang - Pistol, Pump Shotgun, AK-47

Irish Mob - Baseball Bat, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Jamaicans - Pistol, Micro Uzi, Pump Shotgun

African Americans - Baseball Bat, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Korean Mob - Knife, Pistol, Pump Shotgun

Triads (known Chinese-Japanese Gang in the files) - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

Puerto Ricans (Spanish Lords) - Knife, Pistol, Micro Uzi

 

Now up to the relationships - each gang has different reactions to Niko depending on which mission you've done last. In the beginning all gangs are neutral though that can change. If a gang is neutral, they won't really mind you and will rarely attack you/give chase if you provoke a fight in their area, but they will. Hostile gangs engage more in fights than the neutral ones and unlike other peds, aiming your gun at them will make you see their health reticule. Friendly gangs will never fight you and their health is shown in blue, unlike other peds. They will also aid you in case you're being beaten up by another pedestrian/shot by a rival gangster.

 

Albanian Mob - Hostile after Bleed Out.

Angels of Death MC - Always neutral.

Lost MC - Hostile after No Way On The Subway.

Italian Mafia (The Commission) - Always neutral (not sure but that may change after the end of the game to hostile).

Russian Mafia - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

Russian Gang - Hostile after Russian Revolution.

Irish Mob - Friendly after Harbouring a Grudge.

Jamaicans - Friendly after Shadow.

African Americans - Always neutral.

Korean Mob - Hostile after Dining Out.

Triads - Always neutral.

Puerto Ricans (Spanish Lords) - Always neutral.

 

I hope that I helped :) the gang relations are different in EFLC and the Russian Gang gets replaced by the Uptown Riders in TLAD, but their guns stay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Glad you pointed this out bud!, i did not have either expansion so i could not explore those options and interactions between the gangs and Niko Himself. I am still playing LCPDFR to this day ( Waiting on my new Rig so i can get going on GTA V LSPDFR ). Love IV and love the mods. I Hope you guys continue playing and enjoying the title and keep finding out little bits of information and who knows, maybe a never before discovered Easter egg. I played V a lot and beat it on my friends 360, and dabbled in GTA online to lvl 50ish. I honestly did not like the short story length and the three characters was too much. Too little story for all of them. GTA IV was so much longer story wise, and much more dark and realistic. I still think GTA IV is superior to V in most of not all ways aside from graphics and maybe a couple other minor things. This video sums it up rather well, and i feel like even when i get V i will still play IV more often lol.

 

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