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Posted 15 December 2016 - 02:10 AM

 

this new CPU is a big deal that could really shake up the market and drive down the price of high end CPUs. i don't really have much to say about this that has already been said, except that apparently even intel fans are excited for it. since intel has had a monopoly on the CPU market, they have only made marginal improvements on their CPUs in each generation, and now that AMD will be stronger competiton it means that intel will have to actually try.

 

my only concern is that the price was not announced. i hope the upgrade path for AM4 is good too.

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 11:39 PM

It's such a shame AMD has flat-out lied and deceived so many times in the past. I'm honestly surprised they have any fans left.

 

Does no one remember the Phenom series, the FX series, and... well everything since the Athlon?

 

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It makes me sad to type this on an Intel 6700k. Maybe if AMD would have released Zen at only their 4th or 5th delay I'd be on a shiny AM4 CPU.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:54 AM Edited by Warlord., 18 December 2016 - 03:48 AM.

Dude I was just about to post this. I haven't been this excited for a new tech release for a while. The Core 2 series was the last, but it's nothing compared to the Jordan game 6 AMD is pulling, which is nothing short of incredible. The CPU industry really needed better competition. Intel's pricing was getting insanely outrageous. Also f*ck Intel because they are dodgy as f*ck and I've stopped buying anything from them.

 

For those who haven't watched the video, AMD's upcoming Ryzen desktop CPUs (Q1 2017) running on the AM4 socket with DDR4 RAM will be outperforming the top Intel offerings at a significantly lower price. So hold off your purchases.

 

Btw, this benchmark by AMD has been replicated and found to be plausible.

 

I wouldn't worry about upgrade path, AMD has always had better upgrade paths than Intel. It's always a smooth transition. At the same time though, with how different the Ryzen chips are to the Bulldozers and Piledriver AM3+ chips, I wouldn't be surprised if an entirely new chipset is needed.

 

The only qualm I have with this is the lack of quad channel memory support. While there isn't a huge gain in performance from the jump to quad channel from dual channel, I still feel it will increase the performance advantage AMD has over Intel at launch and possibly extend its advantage for longer which would give them more time to better the next revision.

 

Also SenseMI is giving me a nerdgasm. f*cking cool as hell.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:40 PM Edited by yojc, 18 December 2016 - 08:49 PM.

I wouldn't worry about upgrade path, AMD has always had better upgrade paths than Intel. It's always a smooth transition. At the same time though, with how different the Ryzen chips are to the Bulldozers and Piledriver AM3+ chips, I wouldn't be surprised if an entirely new chipset is needed.

AM3/AM3+ and AM4 mobos and CPUs are entirely incompatible. AM4 will use all new chipset. To be honest - this is very, VERY good. AMD chipsets have barely changed from the AM2 era and I really feel like it was holding them back significantly, and forgoing the backwards compatibility is a huge leap forward. This allowed for some fundamental changes, for example IIRC a huge portion of the chipset's functionality has already been included in the CPU itself.

I wish the very best for AMD, but I will remain sceptical until Ryzen CPUs released and tested. If there's one thing that AMD taught me, it is not to trust prerelease info. I'm very curious how they will turn out. Maybe I'll finally upgrade my Xeon X3440.

In any case, I definitely do not expect AMD to outperform Intel in the high-end market. All I want are reasonably priced, power-efficient mid-range CPUs. That would be a good start.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:34 PM

i hope AMD makes it reasonably priced too. if they make their zen expensive like intel's CPUs it would be a dick move. it will also be a dumb move, because nobody would buy AMD as everyone is already on intel, and if AMD is just as expensive, what would be the point of switching? they need to get back some control of the market.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 07:58 PM

 

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Lmao. Is your 4200+ really a keychain now? I'd like to see. I still have my AMD 4200+ rig from 2006 sitting in storage.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:19 PM Edited by Fozzy Fozborne, 18 December 2016 - 09:35 PM.



 



 

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Lmao. Is your 4200+ really a keychain now? I'd like to see. I still have my AMD 4200+ rig from 2006 sitting in storage.

 

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 12:16 AM Edited by Khephera_87_GER, 21 December 2016 - 12:18 AM.

I'm pretty excited for this. I've watched a live stream video commenting this very conference. I hope the price for the Ryzen CPU (the 8 core version) is somewhere between $500-$700 (or Euro in my case), not higher. There will be 6 and 4 core versions, too. Anyone else noticed that typo "AM4 Platfrom" on the screen?^^  

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Posted A week ago Edited by Niobium, A week ago.

ryzen prices have been leaked.

 

http://www.digitaltr...-ryzen-pricing/

 

https://www.forbes.c...l/#647a24126131

 

their cheapest 8 core 16 thread CPU is $317. holy fu*king sh*t i love me some good prices.

 

this is extremely game-changing if true. imo i think it is believable.

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Posted A week ago

And in meanwhile Intel or leaks claimed to improve the Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake 8000 series by 15%. Kinda more than the lame 5-7% each year.

We need competition and competition is good for us.

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Posted A week ago Edited by Niobium, A week ago.

And in meanwhile Intel or leaks claimed to improve the Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake 8000 series by 15%. Kinda more than the lame 5-7% each year.
We need competition and competition is good for us.


i saw this video where the i5 7400 had the exact same performance as the i5 6500.

https://youtu.be/ZHkXqZU4QPw?t=27s

i am a bit skeptical about the source of the video, but let's assume it is true. since the i5 7400 and the i5 6500 are the almost same price (at least in Canada and the states), and their performance is the same, i don't believe intel improved kaby lake over skylake (other than adding technologies i don't care about as a gamer).

besides, there are ways of overclocking a non k skylake cpu, but not a non k kaby lake. so as a gamer, i think skylake is the better option and they made kaby lake worse

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Posted A week ago

Kaby Lake CPUs were never intended to be substantially different from Skylake CPUs, so the negligible difference in performance was to be expected. It's the same story as with Haswell and Devil's Canyon. Coffee Lake will be reworked more heavily.
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Posted A week ago

am4 mobo prices leaked

http://wccftech.com/...-prices-leaked/
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Posted 23 hours ago

http://www.anandtech...-sale-march-2nd

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Posted 20 hours ago

If Ryzen does as well as it's predicted with the 1800X coming in marginally (2/3%?) better performance wise than a 6900k at a lower TDP/higher IPC and half the price to the point you could do a full AM4 1800X/16GB DDR4/mobo build for the price of one 6900k Intel are either going to have to slash their prices to compete but I can't see them price matching (maybe $700 or so for the 6900k) or somehow release a new chip quickly that competes - they're toting the 15% performance increase for Coffee Lake but iirc they said that too for Kaby even though that seemingly ended up being higher stock clocks, 10-bit HEVC decoding and some other stuff I can't recall. Either way it'll be nice to have some competition in the desktop market even if I don't plan on upgrading any time soon :p


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Posted 15 hours ago

I'm pretty hesitant about Ryzen doing anything like as well as they say. Similar claims git banded about with Bulldozer and Piledriver and they turned out to be bollocks.
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Posted 9 hours ago

True but the initial reports and leaked benchmarks seem to be lining up, personally I'd like to see actual real world application comparisons used instead of stuff like Cinebench which imo can differ wildly between runs.

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Posted 6 hours ago Edited by SilverRST, 6 hours ago.

If all gets true and no false promises, then I hope Intlel will get REKT! REAL HARD!

I wonder, what if all the benches turns to be true and Intlel loses marketshare, will they decrease their prices?

If Intlel actually decrease their prices, customers will then suspects they have been ripping us off all along.


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Posted 6 hours ago

I'm waiting to see the real world tests. Benchmarks are all well and good but we don't play benchmarks or photoedit with benchmarks. We need side by side comparisons with real world applications. I don't think I've owned an AMD driven computer since 2004/5 in truth.

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Posted 5 hours ago Edited by HaRdSTyLe_83, 5 hours ago.

If all gets true and no false promises, then I hope Intlel will get REKT! REAL HARD!

I wonder, what if all the benches turns to be true and Intlel loses marketshare, will they decrease their prices?

If Intlel actually decrease their prices, customers will then suspects they have been ripping us off all along.

 

does anyone have any doubts that prices are dictated by demand and not by quality of the product?

until now intel didnt had competition for that market. so they inflated the price of the product. I never bought AMD Cpu's or Gpu's not bcuz the product is better or worse but bcuz they always come to late, hope they fix that.

as a Gamer only, i would still probably go with the i7-7700k instead of any of those just so i wouldnt need to switch the mobo, but my i5-6600k will still keep up with games so ill skip this new cpu's :)


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Posted 5 hours ago

 

If all gets true and no false promises, then I hope Intlel will get REKT! REAL HARD!

I wonder, what if all the benches turns to be true and Intlel loses marketshare, will they decrease their prices?

If Intlel actually decrease their prices, customers will then suspects they have been ripping us off all along.

 

does anyone have any doubts that prices are dictated by demand and not by quality of the product?

until now intel didnt had competition for that market. so they inflated the price of the product. I never bought AMD Cpu's or Gpu's not bcuz the product is better or worse but bcuz they always come to late, hope they fix that.

as a Gamer only, i would still probably go with the i7-7700k instead of any of those just so i wouldnt need to switch the mobo, but my i5-6600k will still keep up with games so ill skip this new cpu's :)

 

We don't know for sure. It took/takes AMD way too long to come up with new CPUs/GPUs that are actually as better or better than Intel.

Customers have lost trust in AMD and if AMD priced their products higher, people will still go for Intel. AMD have to do a lot to retrieve trust in them.





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