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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:53 PM

whatever dude.

here comes the non-politically-correct post you've all been waiting for.

 

the only problem with this shooting at the softball practice is that the guy missed.

too bad he didn't put a few of those cock suckers in the dirt.

 

Paul Ryan can stand up on his soap box in front of the TV cameras and talk about how we're "all humans" and we're "all family" until the cows come home because he and his Republicans could give a sh/t about any of the humans or families outside of their own. spineless, lying, hypocritical, sh/t heel little worms. the GOP can talk their flowery language about togetherness and unity... unfortunately for them actions speak much louder than words. after the cameras leave and their crocodile tears dry up, they get right back to work in congress doing the only thing they care about; trying to take away health care from millions of people, oppressing minorities and immigrants and the poor, and giving a massive tax break to millionaires and billionaires. based on their own legislative agenda, Congressional republicans are disgusting.

 

traitors.

scum.

human waste.

 

it's too bad the shooter didn't have more target practice.

no sympathy.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:49 PM

whatever dude.

here comes the non-politically-correct post you've all been waiting for.

 

the only problem with this shooting at the softball practice is that the guy missed.

too bad he didn't put a few of those cock suckers in the dirt.

So what you are basically saying is that you think it is good to shoot Republicans, but you are too much of a coward to do so yourself. You're a nutjob.
 

 

Paul Ryan can stand up on his soap box in front of the TV cameras and talk about how we're "all humans" and we're "all family" until the cows come home because he and his Republicans could give a sh/t about any of the humans or families outside of their own. spineless, lying, hypocritical, sh/t heel little worms. the GOP can talk their flowery language about togetherness and unity... unfortunately for them actions speak much louder than words. after the cameras leave and their crocodile tears dry up, they get right back to work in congress doing the only thing they care about; trying to take away health care from millions of people, oppressing minorities and immigrants and the poor, and giving a massive tax break to millionaires and billionaires. based on their own legislative agenda, Congressional republicans are disgusting.

 
traitors.
scum.
human waste.
 
it's too bad the shooter didn't have more target practice.
no sympathy.

Do you see the issue with blaming Republicans for a lack of humanity and empathy in a post where you yourself are proposing Republican genocide? Not matter how bad Paul Ryan is, he is probably far better than you.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:36 PM

In other news.... The latest round in diplomatic relations between the US and the DPRK.
 

One dispute ends and another gets underway.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:24 PM


Not matter how bad Paul Ryan is, he is probably far better than you.

LOL. no, he's not. I'm a nice guy who just hates terrible people with terrible ideas. he's a spineless hypocritical opportunistic lying worm whose actions and policies result in actual damage and harm to his fellow citizens.

 


You're a nutjob.

aw, boo hoo.

the hyperbole should be obvious but the sentiment remains the same.

 

who said anything about a blanket genocide?

I'm talking about the removal of individuals whose very existence threatens the livelihood of their fellow human beings; individuals whose actions warrant high treason against the United States and its citizens. we have leaders whose daily life and daily work revolves around the physical exploitation of the poor, the oppression of minorities and immigrants, and the destruction of the economy itself by obliterating the middle class in favor of billionaire tax cuts and personal-enrichment.

 

if they (and their legislative agenda) disappeared off the face of the Earth, quality of life would actually improve for many of our citizens. also, you have no idea what the word "coward" means but nice try... :lol:

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:37 AM

The world would be a better place if Paul Ryan was dead. The world would be a better place if every Ayn Rand obsessed psychopath was dead. That's who he is. He said it in 2012. Ayn Rand is his idol. The psycho bitch responsible for the most f*cked up and anti-social "philosophy" of the 20th century. You can't trust people who glorify Ayn Rand. For those who don't know, Ayn Rand's "philosophy" is quite literally glorifying selfishness as the ultimate virtue. And apparently the vast majority of the GOP today follows that sociopathic philosophy. That's why the world would be a much better and much safer place without them.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:06 PM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 19 June 2017 - 05:33 PM.

I gotta agree with just about everything you said Yokel, but please forgive my splitting hairs as I point out that psychopaths and sociopaths aren't interchangeable.   In fact, the latter aren't inherently unethical people as it's often beyond their control and sociopathy actually can be contained with enough self awareness.  One could even argue that sociopaths are discriminated against in such a normalized way that their disregard for others is further encouraged.

 

 

@Euty

 

Genocide is quite a hysterical stretch.  A slave killing their master is hardly tantamount to a blanket endorsement of genocide against all of those who are subservient to that master's interests.  It's quite clear that El_Diablo was referencing a lack of sympathy for those who violently exploit the vulnerable masses who have entrusted them with the duty of defending vulnerable people from powerful interests.   The emphasis is on the powerful Republicans being unworthy of sympathy...not every mouthbreating propaganda-eating sucker who votes for these cowards.

 

While I'm not quite celebrating the attempted murder of theses guys, it's really all in the game.  Somebody shoulda told Scalise that if you love the $, then be prepared to die for it...because the streets is hungry.  Must've been crazy thinking he could just take away peoples healthcare and not have to answer for it.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:42 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 19 June 2017 - 05:45 PM.

I'm a nice guy who just hates terrible people with terrible ideas. 

A nice guy who supports political assassinations.
 

the hyperbole should be obvious but the sentiment remains the same.

Nice backpedalling calling it a hyperbole.
 

who said anything about a blanket genocide?

I'm talking about the removal of individuals whose very existence threatens the livelihood of their fellow human beings;

Paul Ryan is an elected official. He's elected in a system corrupted by corporate money, but elected nontheless. There are plenty of non violent means to improve the system and elect better people. Paul Ryan is not an existential threat to the US population. He's just a bad politician in a system corrupted by corporate money.
 

also, you have no idea what the word "coward" means but nice try...

Someone who supports political assassinations of Republicans, but is too cowardly to consider he should act on his own principles, and then just backpedals and calls it a 'hyperbole'.

 

Ayn Rand is his idol. The psycho bitch responsible for the most f*cked up and anti-social "philosophy" of the 20th century.

Ayn Rand's philosophy helped justify anti social corporate greed and societal dysfunction in the US, but the amount of harm it has done or victims it has created is not in the same realm as Marxism.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:48 PM

Ayn Rand's philosophy helped justify anti social corporate greed and societal dysfunction in the US, but the amount of harm it has done or victims it has created is not in same realm as Marxism.

Why on god's green Earth would you even mention Marxism? We're talking about why the GOP is filled with psychos. Marxism has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:53 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 19 June 2017 - 06:54 PM.

It's relevant, because I don't think you believe every Marxist or person supporting Marxist ideas should die, even though the historical evidence of destruction it has caused is far larger than by 'Objectivism'. You said 'Objectivism' is 'the most f*cked up philosophy', but when you compare it to other philosophies it is not. It's terrible, but there are philosophies that are more terrible in theory or in real life consequences.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

 


Ayn Rand's philosophy helped justify anti social corporate greed and societal dysfunction in the US, but the amount of harm it has done or victims it has created is not in the same realm as Marxism.

 

 


 

Don't be silly.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:36 PM

It's relevant, because I don't think you believe every Marxist or person supporting Marxist ideas should die, eventhough the historical evidence of destruction it has caused is far larger than by 'Objectivism'. You said 'Objectivism' is 'the most f*cked up philosophy', but when you compare it to other philosophies it is not. It's terrible, but there are philosophies that are more terrible in theory or in real life consequences.

Are Marxists in charge of the western military industrial complex and the oil industry which are the main culprits behind what's been going on in the Middle East, and by extension responsible for the rise of Islamic terrorism? Are Marxists responsible for the big government that spies on every one of its citizens? Is it responsible for political corruption in the US?

 

Objectivism is bad even on paper. Marxism isn't.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:19 PM

Ayn Rand's philosophy helped justify anti social corporate greed and societal dysfunction in the US, but the amount of harm it has done or victims it has created is not in the same realm as Marxism.

Holy tu quoque Batman!

Anyway, mightn't one argue the the majority of the tangible harms attributed to Marxist ideologies actually stem from perversions of its fundamental principles or the mere adoption or referencing of the term itself? I mean we don't ascribe to Socialism the actions of the Nazis, even though they called themselves as much.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:34 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 19 June 2017 - 08:36 PM.

You can always argue that whenever some utopian project turns into a disaster it is because the 'Marxist' or 'Objectivist', or whatever ideology, was corrupted. I'm more inclined to think that utopianism, and revolutionary change without a regard for tradition and history will always inevitably be corrupt.

I just thought it was relevant to point to Marxism in response to the idea that all people who are supporters of the ideas of Ayn Rand should be ousted from society, and life would inevitably improve, because 'Objectivism is the most corrupt ideology'. I'm interested why you seem to take issue with my observation that most implementations of Marxism were incredible catastrophes, but you don't really respond to those who are apologists for violence against Republicans or people with right wing ideological underpinnings. The majority in this topic don't really seem to take issue with someone saying "I think it is fantastic if someone goes out and murders a bunch of Repiblicans".


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:58 PM

 I'm more inclined to think that utopianism, and revolutionary change without a regard for tradition and history
 

Let me stop you right there.

I'm interested why you seem to take issue with my observation that most implementations of Marxism were incredible catastrophes

You don't 'implement' Marxism. It's a lens through which history, ideology, politics, class society, capital, etc. are analyzed. It's not a state of affairs to be established, nor a form of social organization, it's a collection of theories with a particular set of conclusions.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:12 PM

I know Marx is not a utopian thinker and doesn't really define what post revolutionary society should look like. But the range of philosophical errors he makes does result in monstrous societies.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:36 PM

But the range of philosophical errors he makes does result in monstrous societies.

Which errors? In what way does this result in 'monstrous societies'?

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:50 PM

It's possible to condemn something without also shedding a shred of sympathy. In other words, you don't need to be sorry for the people at the game, but you should acknowledge that randomly opening fire in a crowd of people is a heinous thing to do.  That's called having a conscience. 

 

 

Thanks sag, I agree with your point here it's important.  

 

The rest of the comment, well I believe you should have just stopped at that point, because I totally disagree.  The point I'm trying to make, and don't mean to call you out here just riffing, is with the racist, Nazi language that is used towards the opposition.  Hey, if you want to call Republicans a bunch of assholes, go ahead.  Some of them I'd call assholes myself.  It's when people go further 'those Republicans are a bunch of assholes and I don't care if they die' or 'those Republicans are a bunch of racist nazis' then we're into dehumanizing territory and I don't think we want to go down that route.  Senator Chuck Shummer is terrible, wants to increase our taxes and decrease our security.  I disagree with just about everything he has to say, but I don't want him dead, I want him voted out of office.    

 

I think the terms of racist and Nazi are thrown around so frequently against political opponents on the left, it's no surprise that this guy wanted to take matters into his own hand.  He ate it all up, the hate, the venom, everything.  When it's a constant drumbeat of hate and lies, sure enough somebody took that as a call to action.  Look at the guys Facebook postings, he was even encouraged by those in his online groups.  Heck I could copy some of them and put them up against some of the things said right here in this very forum.  And that's the scary part, so I'd rather turn down the temperature rather than raise it.  It's probably in everyones interest that that happens, and sooner rather than later.  

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:57 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 19 June 2017 - 09:57 PM.

 

But the range of philosophical errors he makes does result in monstrous societies.

Which errors? In what way does this result in 'monstrous societies'?

 

The main error is the idea that human nature is a historical, economical, and social construct, and nothing more, and that we can thus reconstruct it in any way we want, which can be used to justify horrible tyranny. And like all leftists he underestimates the significance and existence of natural differences between people, which thus makes all hierarchy arbitrary and oppressive.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:22 PM Edited by The Yokel, 19 June 2017 - 10:24 PM.

OK, back at Trump being a wannabe dictator: http://talkingpoints...house-briefings

 

Not only that, but they took questions from Pravda but not from the US news outlets. This is a continued war that Trump administration is waging against the very idea of free press in the US. For those that are still Trump supporters after everything his administration has done, you might be brain damaged. Better get your head checked and get that sorted out before you lose health insurance.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:18 AM Edited by El Diablo, 20 June 2017 - 04:14 AM.

A nice guy who supports political assassinations.

conceptually speaking; yes.
 

Nice backpedalling calling it a hyperbole.

:lol: it's not backpedaling, bro
it's business as usual.

you pretend as though you haven't been reading my posts for f/cking years now.
my attitude, my sense of humor, my jabbing and poking, my provocative and sarcastic opinions. none of these things are new. stop pretending to be so shocked just so you can stoop to the level of defending traitorous douchebags whose legislation is responsible for untold harm.
 

Paul Ryan is not an existential threat to the US population. He's just a bad politician in a system corrupted by corporate money.

you sound like a child.
 
the policy beliefs that Paul Ryan espouses and wishes to pass into law would cause physical and financial harm to both citizens and country. stop apologizing for this piece of human excrement. I bet the next thing you want to tell me is how nice of a guy Mitch McConnell is once you get to know him. f/ck them and f/ck you for pretending like they're not consciously corrupt and divisive and callous autocrats. this isn't the case of well-meaning dudes caught up in a sh/tty system. they're legalized criminals who indulge in and exploit the system to their maximum personal advantage at the direct expense of those beneath them.
 
grow up.
 

Someone who supports political assassinations of Republicans, but is too cowardly to consider he should act on his own principles, and then just backpedals and calls it a 'hyperbole'.

you're such a bush league debater...
 
you have no f/cking idea what the word cowardly means.
this isn't backpedaling. it's calling a spade a spade.
 
cowardly is the way the GOP keeps us engaged in endless wars that the public doesn't support and doesn't want to be a part of, while they and their own families never serve in the military themselves. cowardly is how the GOP gets up on their soap box every day and brags about how much they love the common working man while simultaneously dismantling the consumer and financial protections that help to sustain and grow the middle class, showering poor people with false hopes and empty promises while showering corporations and the rich with tax breaks and economic favors. cowardly is how the GOP claims to stand up for family values and liberty and American exceptionalism while completely ignoring the racist, fascist, misogynistic, and dictatorial rhetoric and actions of the man they JUST elected president.
 
I could go on...

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:35 AM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 20 June 2017 - 03:38 AM.

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies.  Reaganomics, Milton Friedman, and Ayn Rand have done more harm to this nation than any terrorist could ever dream.  Even after their deaths, they're ideology remains as a cancer on the US political system.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:03 AM Edited by Chiari, 20 June 2017 - 04:53 AM.

Reaganomics

 

Resolved the crisis caused by Jimmy Carter, who was a left-wing president that was so awful that he won 6 out of 50 states against Reagan's 44. 

 

 

Ayn Rand 

 

Is only ever brought up by liberals, which leads me to believe that she has just about zero influence.

 

 

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies...  [3 conservatives] have done more harm to this nation than any terrorist could ever dream.  Even after their deaths, they're ideology remains as a cancer on the US political system.

 

Lol, you're like one step away from telling us that Reagan made AIDS and crack cocaine. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 06:17 AM Edited by Melchior, 20 June 2017 - 06:18 AM.

 

 

But the range of philosophical errors he makes does result in monstrous societies.

Which errors? In what way does this result in 'monstrous societies'?

 

 And like all leftists he underestimates the significance and existence of natural differences between people, which thus makes all hierarchy arbitrary and oppressive.

 

You seem to actually believe that the rich are superior to us. Well in reality, it takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their incompetence. At this point you have to be out of your mind and flirting with extinction as an inevitability not to advocate the disbanding of the state and corporations.  

 

 

 

But the range of philosophical errors he makes does result in monstrous societies.

It's hard to take seriously people who support Capitalism but fervently oppose the only Capitalist system in history to actually guarantee people housing and employment.

 

I know, I know, it's human nature for 1% of society to seize control of all resources and ration them back to us based on our perceived usefulness to them. 

 

 

 

You can always argue that whenever some utopian project turns into a disaster it is because the 'Marxist' or 'Objectivist', or whatever ideology, was corrupted. I'm more inclined to think that utopianism, and revolutionary change without a regard for tradition and history will always inevitably be corrupt.

If only the Russian people understood human nature they wouldn't have had a dictatorship imposed on them! I always chuckle when people think they can consider and then dismiss the Russian Revolution. You don't seem to understand what a social revolution is: you wouldn't say "well, here's where the 1960s went wrong" and then give some single sentence platitude. 

 

You actually don't have to stroke your beard to work out how Russia went from direct democracy to Party dictatorship. The Bolsheviks seized power and built the system that was outlined in their f*cking pamphlets. They had been advocating dictatorship since 1905, it's what separated them from the Mensheviks. 

 

 

 

 Paul Ryan is not an existential threat to the US population.

Umm, yes he is?

 

 

 

Ayn Rand's philosophy helped justify anti social corporate greed and societal dysfunction in the US, but the amount of harm it has done or victims it has created is not in the same realm as Marxism.

Right except grouping political factions together based on their names is just silly game playing. If everything the Soviet state did was Marxism, everything Western states do is liberalism and I could then pull out the scoreboard and say Marxism in terms of victims and harm done is not in the same league as liberalism, while anarchism shines as the cleanest ideology, responsible for only a few hundred thousand deaths. 

 

 

Reaganomics

 

Resolved the crisis caused by Jimmy Carter, who was a left-wing president that was so awful that he won 6 out of 50 states against Reagan's 44. 

Actually his policies are widely discredited and held responsible for the financial crisis.

 

 

 

Is only ever brought up by liberals, which leads me to believe that she has just about zero influence.

She's actually the central figure in your own intellectual tradition, but okay. 

 

Lol, you're like one step away from telling us that Reagan made AIDS and crack cocaine. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Neoliberalism

 

Again uncontroversiallly responsible for the financial crisis and the degradation of social services more generally.  He also did bungle the AIDs and crack cocaine crises, we don't have to pretend he created them to acknowledge the damage he called. Also, I'm pretty sure those aren't serious conspiracy theories, rather they're running jokes in hip hop music. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:17 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 20 June 2017 - 05:36 PM.

my sense of humor,

I wish more Republicans got shot and killed because I don't like their policies. Isn't that a funny joke?

You're not funny.

 

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies.

I don't doubt certain economic policy has made the problem much worse. But you could also grasp that all Western and Northern European countries with social democratic economic policies increasingly have hoods. So hoods aren't just created by economic policy. And the idea that only Republican and not Democrat economic policy has made the situation worse is definitely dubious.

 

You seem to actually believe that the rich are superior to us. Well in reality, it takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their incompetence. At this point you have to be out of your mind and flirting with extinction as an inevitability not to advocate the disbanding of the state and corporations.  

It also takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their competence, if you just look at the quality of life that has been created around you. It also takes a serious dose of cognitive dissonance to condemn capitalism and at the same time use modern technology.

IQ is one of the best predictors of future earnings. Income equality has gotten grotesque and out of hand, but the natural differences between people matter.
 

It's hard to take seriously people who support Capitalism but fervently oppose the only Capitalist system in history to actually guarantee people housing and employment.

I have no idea what you are even talking about.
 

I know, I know, it's human nature for 1% of society to seize control of all resources and ration them back to us based on our perceived usefulness to them. 

I never said that obviously. But a large reason we have lost control over the worlds rich is due to globalization. You can try to tax them, but they'll just move their wealth elsewhere.

 

Right except grouping political factions together based on their names is just silly game playing. If everything the Soviet state did was Marxism, everything Western states do is liberalism and I could then pull out the scoreboard and say Marxism in terms of victims and harm done is not in the same league as liberalism, while anarchism shines as the cleanest ideology, responsible for only a few hundred thousand deaths.

Let's just disregard foreign policy and focus on how many of their own citizens were killed. Liberal states are able to do more harm in terms of foreign policy because they are wealthier and more advanced. But historically they clearly don't murder and throw into poverty their own citizens like Marxism inspired states have done. At least not as consistently.

Anarchism has a very low amount of casualties because it is incompatible with modern advanced society and therefore never gets implemented or exists for longer periods. I could imagine a hypothetical political philosophy right now that was completely incoherent and clearly it would be the best with having caused zero deaths.
 

If only the Russian people understood human nature they wouldn't have had a dictatorship imposed on them! I always chuckle when people think they can consider and then dismiss the Russian Revolution. You don't seem to understand what a social revolution is: you wouldn't say "well, here's where the 1960s went wrong" and then give some single sentence platitude. 

We can learn from history, and we can learn whether a certain ideology is corrupt. Doing so is a good idea.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:52 PM Edited by Spaghetti Cat, 20 June 2017 - 11:52 PM.

What happened to the previous comment?  Was it deleted for some reason?  

 

 

Anywho...some interesting movement on the unmasking front:  

 

 

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

 

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library.  You may send your request to the Obama Library.  However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

 

http://www.judicialw...-obama-library/

 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:23 AM

It also takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their competence

Criminals can also be extremely competent at what they do.

 

 if you just look at the quality of life that has been created around you. 

Ah. I should be thankful for the rich overlords for improving my situation and giving me some alms! Lord knows we have it better than those in feudal times.

 

It also takes a serious dose of cognitive dissonance to condemn capitalism and at the same time use modern technology.

Right, because there can be no progress without capitalism? You do know capitalism is a fairly new invention, right? And a lot of research done isn't done because of capitalism; but in spite of it.

 

IQ is one of the best predictors of future earnings. Income equality has gotten grotesque and out of hand, but the natural differences between people matter.

https://www.forbes.c...s/#1f2ce30d3604

 

I never said that obviously. But a large reason we have lost control over the worlds rich is due to globalization. You can try to tax them, but they'll just move their wealth elsewhere.

Ah, yes, globalization, the very recent phenomenon. What do you say then of the fact that the rich have controlled lands and resources since... wealth has been invented? Since someone decided divine right give them power over everyone else?

 

But historically they clearly don't murder and throw into poverty their own citizens like Marxism inspired states have done. 

But they do. And they sometimes do worse, like jailing more people based on the color of their skin. Or being much harsher to people based on the color of their skin. Cuba accepted homosexuals far before most western capitalist nations. And Fidel apologized for the treatment given to homosexuals before it was allowed. Something that no capitalist government has ever done ever. Let alone acknowledge that such things even took place.

 

Anarchism has a very low amount of casualties because it is incompatible with modern advanced society and therefore never gets implemented or exists for longer periods. 

Freetown Christiania has existed since the 70s. So has Marinaleda. Everywhere else that was beginning to be a success was eventually stomped down by the status quo. Clearly if such a system was fated to fail, as you preach, they may as well just have left them to self-destruct.

 

 

And the idea that only Republican and not Democrat economic policy has made the situation worse is definitely dubious.

An idea that I don't think anyone here is putting forward?

 

Anyway, this topic is about US Politics Discussion. We have a topic on anarchism and stuff for discussing these things. So it may be convenient to move this discussion over there.

 

 

Anywho...some interesting movement on the unmasking front:  

 

So, what's your point? That Obama did it? That Obama is hiding everything?


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:27 AM

 

my sense of humor,

I wish more Republicans got shot and killed because I don't like their policies. Isn't that a funny joke?

You're not funny.

 

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies.

I don't doubt certain economic policy has made the problem much worse. But you could also grasp that all Western and Northern European countries with social democratic economic policies increasingly have hoods. So hoods aren't just created by economic policy. And the idea that only Republican and not Democrat economic policy has made the situation worse is definitely dubious.

 

You seem to actually believe that the rich are superior to us. Well in reality, it takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their incompetence. At this point you have to be out of your mind and flirting with extinction as an inevitability not to advocate the disbanding of the state and corporations.  

It also takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their competence, if you just look at the quality of life that has been created around you.

It's almost like human technology gets more complex over time or something like that. 

 

 

 

It also takes a serious dose of cognitive dissonance to condemn capitalism and at the same time use modern technology.

There is absolutely no contradiction between participating in society and demanding change in society. 

 

 

 

IQ is one of the best predictors of future earnings. Income equality has gotten grotesque and out of hand, but the natural differences between people matter.

So you are saying that the rich are more intelligent than us? Crazy! The rich are very, very stupid, which you would know if you interacted with them. The bourgeoisie are not an abstraction they are very real, very useless people. 

 

 

 

I have no idea what you are even talking about.

The Soviet Union, obviously. 

 

 

 

I never said that obviously.

You have repeatedly claimed that Capitalism is 'human nature.' 

 

 

 

Let's just disregard foreign policy and focus on how many of their own citizens were killed.

Well yeah, if you just arbitrary exclude the territories where all of their crimes were committed they do look p squeaky clean. 

 

 

 

. But historically they clearly don't murder and throw into poverty their own citizens like Marxism inspired states have done.

Poverty? Maybe you should actually read a few pages about conditions in the USSR before spouting off about it. I appreciate that Peterson read one book one time by a guy who went through the Gulag system and now 'knows the truth about socialism' but it doesn't give me pause. 

 

Anarchism has a very low amount of casualties because it is incompatible with modern advanced society and therefore never gets implemented or exists for longer periods.

 

Actually any social theorist worth their salt supports some kind of transition to direct democracy. In fact it's the most banal solution to externalities. You'd be hard pressed to find any credible critiques. This is just VSP dogma. 

 

I could imagine a hypothetical political philosophy right now that was completely incoherent and clearly it would be the best with having caused zero deaths.

 

Well yeah that's my point. When 1/4 of the states on Earth consider themselves 'Marxist' you aren't going to learn much about Marxism by looking at them. 

 

We can learn from history, and we can learn whether a certain ideology is corrupt. Doing so is a good idea.

 


 

Yeah except you can't do that. Millions of Russians didn't decide in unison to experiment with Marxism: their state collapsed and they drew on a broad range of ideologies to build new institutions. Again, you don't know what a social revolution is. 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:48 AM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 21 June 2017 - 05:01 AM.

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies.

I don't doubt certain economic policy has made the problem much worse. But you could also grasp that all Western and Northern European countries with social democratic economic policies increasingly have hoods. So hoods aren't just created by economic policy. And the idea that only Republican and not Democrat economic policy has made the situation worse is definitely dubious.


f*ck Democrats. I never mentioned them. Not only is this a straw man, but whether or not Republican policies more strongly correlate with social stratification and the deterioration of once-working class inner city neighborhoods is not a matter of debate...in well-informed circles at least.

Come to think of it, you doubled down on the straw man by suggesting that I denied the existence of hoods in socially democratic states. All states have hoods. That should go without saying. But thanks for bringing it up because it further proves my point that the overall laissez faire attitude towards poverty consciously worsens the long term productivity growth and standard of living problems that it claims to address. I mean which hood would you rather live in?...one in New Orleans or Copenhagen?...Detroit or Stockholm?

These market-worshiping slack-jawed motherf*ckers want to violate free market principles with "too big to fail" corporate welfare, but then impose the market fundamentalist principles/cult on desperate people who can't afford healthcare. Well which is it? 

 

Ayn Rand

 
Is only ever brought up by liberals, which leads me to believe that she has just about zero influence.
 
 

It's also quite cowardly how these Republican worshipers of the "supply-side" economics/market fundamentalist cult wouldn't spend a second in the hoods created by these terrible self-serving policies...  [3 conservatives] have done more harm to this nation than any terrorist could ever dream.  Even after their deaths, they're ideology remains as a cancer on the US political system.

 
Lol, you're like one step away from telling us that Reagan made AIDS and crack cocaine.

 
 
And your tongue is approximately one inch away from Reagan's rectum.
 
This is even ditzy by the standards of your typical posts.  I really get a kick outta some of the sh*t you post on here.  Please.  Keep it up.  At least you have the balls to muster together a defense of these so-called conservative sh*t principles.  You know just enough to get it thoroughly wrong.  But speaking of cocaine...Are you aware of the consequences of the drug war, specifically how it's contributed to urban decay and expanded an already widespread public health crisis?  Or are you just one of those philistines who thinks we can simply kill our way out of a mass addiction crisis and the economic incentives of the illicit drug market as if this is some Mel Gibson action movie?  That worked just great back in the other prohibition now didn't it?
 
When you defund public resources in the already-struggling communities, and then proceed to ignore all competent policy approaches to managing drug addiction, the most lucrative market left is the illicit drug market.  This is basic stuff as far as econ goes.  You can deny the impact all you want.  But if so, you gotta be stuck on stupid to praise the market in one sentence and contradict it's mechanics in the next.  The drug war was just a backhanded method of criminalizing poverty, and thus hiding the problem in some prison where folks can't see it...kinda like slavery. The neighborhoods you "cleaned up" by incarcerating illicit market participants continue to decay...kicking the can the down the road for the next administration to grapple with.  Thank you Dr. Reagan.
 
 
Ya know, I really never understood why our adversaries are so intent on bending over backwards to evade authorities and plan attacks on our soil.  If you really wanna destroy the US, support the GOP.  It's an easy lesson really, the Kremlin gets it.
 
 

You seem to actually believe that the rich are superior to us. Well in reality, it takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their incompetence. At this point you have to be out of your mind and flirting with extinction as an inevitability not to advocate the disbanding of the state and corporations.

It also takes a serious dose of ideology to deny their competence, if you just look at the quality of life that has been created around you. It also takes a serious dose of cognitive dissonance to condemn capitalism and at the same time use modern technology.

IQ is one of the best predictors of future earnings. Income equality has gotten grotesque and out of hand, but the natural differences between people matter.

 
This is a bunch of crap actually.  Probably even bordering on eugenics.  The rich and powerful today are more or less a carbon copy of the rich and powerful a generation earlier.  Sure there's still some trace of socioeconomic mobility available to those willing to work their lives away...it's called the middle class, fighting for a shrinking pool of increasingly artificial/tentative financial security.  But it's still largely a function of what you are born with.  Citing natural differences here is like winning a 100m dash after starting from the 90th meter and claiming 'natural talent'.

 

my sense of humor,

I wish more Republicans got shot and killed because I don't like their policies. Isn't that a funny joke?

You're not funny.

 
Why should we have sympathy for those who lack sympathy for us?  It's generous beyond reason and also quite degrading.  Wallow in your own subservience.  No need to cry over spilled Republicans.  As long as you don't waste energy hating the guy, I really don't see the problem with shrugging this Scalise thing off.
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#2909

Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:12 AM

What happened to the previous comment?  Was it deleted for some reason?

I removed it as it was a single sentence and a hyperlink and didn't even come close to being a worthwhile For&D post. If Rheus wants to repost it with some actual discussion or even some quired text from the article he's welcome to, but he was lucky he didn't get reprimanded for it too as I've warned him numerous times about noncontributing posts.
 

Anywho...some interesting movement on the unmasking front:  

Can you explain to me how that's interesting? Sounds extremely mundane to me. The NSC can't disclose communications because it's not in their purview to do so, and there's a protection from FOI disclosures for five years. I'm not seeing anything interesting here.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:41 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 21 June 2017 - 07:55 PM.

f*ck Democrats. I never mentioned them. Not only is this a straw man, but whether or not Republican policies more strongly correlate with social stratification and the deterioration of once-working class inner city neighborhoods is not a matter of debate...in well-informed circles at least.

If you would want to make that point in a historical context then it is definitely not self evidently obvious. It's probably incredibly complex actually.
 

 I mean which hood would you rather live in?...one in New Orleans or Copenhagen?...Detroit or Stockholm?

How about Paris? I'm not sure. But probably US ghettos have far worse murder rates due to the prevalence of shootings. Probably US ghettos are far worse.
 

Citing natural differences here is like winning a 100m dash after starting from the 90th meter and claiming 'natural talent'.

Sure, aristocracy is a bigger factor than meritocracy when it comes to income and wealth inequality, but I'm not denying that. But they are both factors.
 

Why should we have sympathy for those who lack sympathy for us? 

I'm not asking for 'sympathy' for them. I'm asking to stop approving of political violence. If someone would post here that he wished someone was a well trained enough shooter to shoot up Michelle Obama everyone including you would throw a hissy fit and start crying.





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