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#2011

Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:06 PM

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#2012

Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:59 AM

Trump sends drones to strike a Masjid while people are praying and kills at least 57 people, yet the American media is silent about it and only foreign news sources discuss it.

Snoop Dogg makes a music video involving him making fun of Trump by presenting him as a clown, shooting him with a fake BANG-flag gun, and tying him with chains as he passes blunts with his friend. Suddenly, there's so much outrage in the media that even a Fox News reporter publicly claimed that Snoop Dogg should be killed by the Secret Service.

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Here's the link to the controversial news reporter: https://twitter.com/...106079005458432
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#2013

Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:04 PM

House intelligence committee public hearing, currently ongoing

https://www.c-span.o...ia-hacking

Just in, we've got confirmation from the FBI and State Department that no evidence exist that Trump Towers was ever wiretapped, and that Obama would technically not be able to do so anyway. Quelle surprise.

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Nor did the FBI or DHS ever ask GCHQ or any other foreign intelligence power to conduct surveillance on Trump, and that doing so would be expressly illegal.
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#2014

Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:36 PM

It's really great that any time had to be spent on Trump's moronic tweet, and just in time when it was discovered that Jeff Sessions lied under oath. Now when this sh*tshow is behind them, they should focus on Jeff Sessions again.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:04 PM Edited by Finite, 20 March 2017 - 04:06 PM.

Trump is Magician-In-Chief whenever a larger controversy comes to light he'll just spout some ludicrous sh*t on Twitter and the majority of attention will be moved away from whatever Trump wants ignored.
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#2016

Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:17 PM

Just been confirmed that Flynn received money ($35,000) from RT, likely violating the Foreign emoluments clause of the US constitution. He has also been alleged to have performed work on behalf of the Turkish government without reporting it.
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#2017

Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:49 PM

Just been confirmed that Flynn received money ($35,000) from RT, likely violating the Foreign emoluments clause of the US constitution. He has also been alleged to have performed work on behalf of the Turkish government without reporting it.

And he's had access to highly classified documents and government secrets for about a month. And he was the main "lock her up" guy during the campaign.

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#2018

Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:12 PM

This gets better and better.

> There's been an ongoing counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign and figures involved in it since July 2016

> Numerous figures, including Geoff Sessions, have explicitly lied on the record about their interactions with individuals linked to Putin, and to companies on which US government sanctions have been imposed.
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#2019

Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:00 PM

This simplifies how Trump keeps on rambling about made-up sh*t.

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:10 PM

Oh, give Bannon credit. He also makes up his own nonsense!
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#2021

Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:39 PM

So Putin, the man who could do anything while Obama and Clinton were in charge, favored Trump, a man described by many as unstable and prone to outbursts (as his Twitter shows). Silly. Not spying microwave silly, but still.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:49 AM Edited by Cebra, 21 March 2017 - 02:56 AM.

So Putin, the man who could do anything while Obama and Clinton were in charge, favored Trump, a man described by many as unstable and prone to outbursts (as his Twitter shows). Silly. Not spying microwave silly, but still.

Trump is the very embodiment of the term "useful idiot"; it's not all that far-fetched compared to Obama's covert microwave cameras. I'm still on the fence about the Steele dossier's credibility, but we're at the point where the evidence (even if it's currently only circumstantial) has piled far too high for anyone to deny that something big is going on. Too much deception and too many lies for it to be benign - any repudiation of a full-scale investigation at this point is willful ignorance. Seeing the Republicans during the hearing today trying to either deflect to Clinton or suggest that the real issue is the leaks was disgusting, it can only go so far until they're complicit in the cover-up. 

 

Trump will not make it four years. Exactly two months into his presidency and we're witness to more severe scandals than the previous five administrations combined. The house of cards will come crumbling down soon, the only questions are who it will take with it and how the United States will recover.

 

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#2023

Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:17 AM

This Trump stuff is getting out of hand admittedly, though one thing that is making it worse is Paul Ryan. The man is making Donald look more and more like a noble knight each day, especially after the Trump Care stuff. Have to say that Ryan freely admitting that he dreamed of cutting off medicaid since he was a frat boy in college is infinitely worse than Trump being a hotheaded tool. At least with Trump's hotheadedness it comes from a place of misguided paranoia. Ryan's comments come from a place of intentional evil.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:28 PM

Paul Ryan admitted during 2012 campaign that Ayn Rand is his idol. He denied it afterwards, but how can you trust a denial from someone who said that his idol is Ayn Rand? Her "philosophy" totally allows you to be as anti-social as you want. Only a psychopath would think of her as an idol.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:07 PM

Ryan's comments come from a place of intentional evil.

It doesn't come from a place of 'evil', but of ideology.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:59 PM

 

Ryan's comments come from a place of intentional evil.

It doesn't come from a place of 'evil', but of ideology.

 

True. but I feel that with Paul's handling of his ideological beliefs it becomes a den of evil instead of just some really out there beliefs I disagree with.


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#2027

Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:02 AM

So... kinda quiet in here. Some pretty serious news broke yesterday. "US Officials: Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians" - CNN.

 

"The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN."

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:24 AM

Is this related or different from AP's files on Paul Manafort working with the Russians?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:48 AM

It was hinted at during the House Intelligence Committee the other day, though no details have been released obviously because of the active investigation. I suspect it does relate to Paul Manafort, yes.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 01:20 PM

Nunes dun goofed!

http://thehill.com/h...very-disturbing


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:32 PM

It's worth considering whether what the Republicans are doing is wise.

During the House Intelligence Committee hearing, Republican Representatives kept changing the subject to be about the leaks.

Rep. Nunes' statement today also suggests an intention to distract from the Russia allegations.

But what if the Russia allegations turn out to be true? Or at least, true enough for the public to call for President Trump's resignation, and/or enough support in Congress for an impeachment process.

Republicans will claim, 'well, we didn't know!', but the response will be, why did you so little to initiate an investigation?

Yes, I am certain Republicans will distance themselves, but will it work?

Republicans are clearly betting on there not being enough in these allegations to call for Trump's resignation or any of the sort. And until then, they want to be on Trump's good side.

It's difficult to say whether opposing or fully supporting Trump is the right strategy for any Republican. Data suggests that Trump doesn't have that much control over his supporters, who in general support the health care bill far less than Clinton supporters oppose it. And his threat to Republicans to vote for the repeal or else is weak.

538 calculated that only 80 districts have a plurality of support for the bill, and only 3 districts have an outright majority of support. And even in those three, strong oppose/support is still tied.

This healthcare bill is extremely unpopular, even more unpopular than the health care bill, Hillary Clinton tried to push in 1993 and what President Obama got enacted in 2010. And looking at the trend lines, the bill seems to get more and more unpopular.

And in those two previous cases, the Democrats lost in the following midterm elections. History suggests, that Republicans would face quite a challenge in 2018.

Even to a point, where opposing the bill might be a better strategy than falling in line. That is to say, you'll have a better chance of re-election from opposing than supporting. On average.

It's not clear cut whether opposing Trump is a winning strategy, there are examples of the opposite already. But maybe those were just because it was the general election and Trump was still popular among Republicans.

If Trump's unpopularity continues to rise (already supposing President Obama's lowest point, not President Bush's, though), Republicans manage to pass this bill and/or the Russia allegations turn out to be true, Republicans can expect a bloodbath in 2018. Even in supposedly safe seats.
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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:02 PM Edited by DangerZ0neX, 23 March 2017 - 05:03 PM.

Here's a little contrast between a real president and a failing president.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:08 PM

Here's a little contrast between a real president and a failing president.

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This is easy. The former actually cares about other living beings. The latter doesn't.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:28 PM Edited by Street Mix, 23 March 2017 - 06:46 PM.

^^^I can do the same but vice versa.

 

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:50 PM Edited by The Yokel, 23 March 2017 - 05:50 PM.

Bush's ethics lawyer says that the FBI is uncovering evidence of treason among alt-right websites: http://www.independe...r-a7644966.html

 

I'm not even sure that's newsworthy. Anyone sane who dared to venture to one of those sites could tell that there's nothing really American or western about them. They've been parroting Russian agenda and insane anti-western conspiracy theories since their inception.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:16 PM

Bush's ethics lawyer says that the FBI is uncovering evidence of treason among alt-right websites: http://www.independe...r-a7644966.html

 

I'm not even sure that's newsworthy. Anyone sane who dared to venture to one of those sites could tell that there's nothing really American or western about them. They've been parroting Russian agenda and insane anti-western conspiracy theories since their inception.

True, but anything which further discredits them is always welcome. Especially when one considers how one of their ilk, Bannon, is such a key figure in Trump's Presidency. There are often subversive cabals in almost any political landscape you care to mention, but letting them influence policy should be intolerable to most right-thinking people.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:31 AM

So the health care repeal and replacement failed. Now President Trump is demanding a vote on Friday, and if the House doesn't pass it, he will move on to other things, effectively leaving the ACA in place.

If the House actually pass a bill on Friday, it will likely be dead on arrival in the Senate. So they will just pass an incredibly unpopular bill with nothing to show for it.

But any concessions that the House GOP leadership can make to the Freedom Caucus that they could not have made so far would probably scare moderate Republicans off.

In short, it looks like Obamacare is here to stay. Well, at least some of it.
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#2038

Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:45 AM

In other news that has gone slightly under the radar due to all this AHCA hubbub: Slimy republicans have voted to repeal and eliminate rules put in place by the FCC that protected consumers from having their browsing details including but not limited to location history, finances and browsing history sold to third parties without their explicit consent. if it passes the House as well, effectively US ISPs will have the 'freedom' to sell consumers' information as they wish.

 

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:59 AM

Yeah, but Americans care about freedom, not privacy.
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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:51 PM

Yeah, but Americans care about freedom, not privacy.


Do we really even care about freedom? Or are you talking about gratis?

Americans just like to be free to do what they tell us to. We wouldn't know tyranny if it shot us during a traffic stop.




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