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#4561

Posted 3 days ago

so how's that MAGA thing going, again?

 


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Posted 3 days ago

Democrats/Liberals don't really stick up for perverts or victim blame when other people who share their views get outed tho. Republicans do.
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Posted 3 days ago Edited by Shaundi., 3 days ago.

https://www.cbsnews....-from-zimbabwe/


That's worthy of impeachment if I'll be honest.

Let's be honest, he reversed this because this ban, which is good, was out in place by Obama. Basically done out of spite.

Meanwhile on T_D: the left's latest outrage.

Unbelievable.

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Posted 3 days ago

That's worthy of impeachment if I'll be honest. Let's be honest, he reversed this because this ban, which is good, was out in plane by Obama. Basically spite.

 

Technically he can be impeached for pretty much anything, the whole 'Other high crimes and misdemeanours' provision has historically been interpreted rather liberally, even more so as the whole process from start to finish is entirely up to the discretion of Congress. I however sincerely doubt that a republican Congress is going to get to an impeachment in the House, let alone a conviction in the Senate. Mind you, only two presidents in the history of the United States have ever been successfully impeached, both of which ended up serving out their respective terms. No single President has ever been convicted in the Senate and removed from office. I highly doubt Trump will be the first. 

 

I can see only two realistic conclusions to his presidency: Either he serves out his full term and someone else is elected in 2020, which I still consider the most likely scenario by quite some margin, or whatever skeletons he is alleged to have in his closet make his position untenable and he pulls a Nixon and resigns. Can't say I see that happening anytime soon though.

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#4565

Posted 3 days ago

there is zero evidence against Trump.

A bunch of women came forward accusing him of sexual assault, but you're right, there was no evidence he would even do something like that, apart from him saying that he did.

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Posted 3 days ago

Al Franken is in the hotseat now for groping people while they sleep. It's kinda funny that the majority of people going down as perverts these days are liberals. I guess they aren't crusaders for women after all. The democratic party is disgusting.

 

That's funny, because the Republican party still wants to elect a pedophile.


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Posted 2 days ago

 

Oh wouldn't it be just great to experience a half decade-long recession while kleptocrats rob the nation's taxpayers and biggest business blind?

 
So, pretty much what has happened here too then.

 


Nyet...nyet. We are in fact on a slippery slope here in the US, but this pales in comparison to the situation in Russia. For starters, 'recession' doesn't simply mean the economy is sh*t. Its a scientific term for negative productivity growth. The US was one of the world's first nations to rebound out of the great recession. The gowth, though incremental, returned several years ago. We just have a pathetic pathological failure to route these economic gains to those who aren't already rich, which makes it seem as if we are still in recession.



As for the kleptocrats, the funds used to construct some of the most extravagant Russian dachas are quite easily tracked to stolen funds. In the US, we have a form of legalized bribery thanks in part to Citizens United. In Russia, bribery is customary. Even billionaires who refuse to kneel before corrupt officials can expect to have their assets liquidated into the pockets of Kremlin-connected crooks and thrown in jail on fabricated chrages. So yeah it's a bit of a false equivalency to compare Russian corruption with US corruption. Especially on a domestic level, the difference is clear.

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Posted 2 days ago

I can see only two realistic conclusions to his presidency: Either he serves out his full term and someone else is elected in 2020, which I still consider the most likely scenario by quite some margin, or whatever skeletons he is alleged to have in his closet make his position untenable and he pulls a Nixon and resigns. Can't say I see that happening anytime soon though.

 

 

I'm not going to accuse you of living in a bubble or anything but the most likely scenario is Trump will win in 2020. The incumbent almost always wins. People who hate Trump today will be desensitized to him by 2020. The media will fabricate countless polls lulling their own base into a false sense of security and the millions of people that make up Trump's base aren't turning on him. If all of that's surprising to you just wait until you find out that gen z is more conservative than gen y. 


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What I hope is that there will be a decent third party candidate who will surprise and win through an effective internet campaign, and the mainstream media gets sidelined. I have faith in neither the two party system, nor in the mainstream media. I think the internet has the potential to transform the political landscape.

 

The incumbent almost always wins.

The incumbent has an advantage, but Trump's approval has never been over 37%, and is currently lower than that. He's exceptionally unpopular. It's not impossible for him to win, as the Democrats don't have any competent candidates. But he would loose any day to a generic Democrat like Biden, John Kerry, or Al Gore. The only reason he is president in the first place is because of the exceptional impopularity of Hillary Clinton.

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I'm not going to accuse you of living in a bubble or anything but the most likely scenario is Trump will win in 2020. The incumbent almost always wins. People who hate Trump today will be desensitized to him by 2020. The media will fabricate countless polls lulling their own base into a false sense of security and the millions of people that make up Trump's base aren't turning on him. If all of that's surprising to you just wait until you find out that gen z is more conservative than gen y. 

 

I'd go as far as saying his chances of reelection are infinitely higher than any notion of impeachment. That's where it ends though. I don't see reelection as being such a foregone conclusion. It more so would have been if he had been less of an unapologetically polarising and divisive figure, and dare I say a more 'standard' Republican president. But the fact that he is so intensely divisive and not making an effort to extend as much as a finger to the other side doesn't do him any favours as far as reelection is concerned. Sure, it works for him at least partly, in that it affords him a very strong base. Flip-side however of that being that there's almost zero appeal beyond that base. Which can make things difficult.
 

If come 2019/2020 the Democrats, or indeed an independent can offer something less divisive in a more palatable package, I foresee him having a very tough run. That's assuming no kind of cataclysmic event like a stock market crash or war happens in between now and November 2020. Because if that were to be the case: all bets are off. 

 

As for Gen Z being more conservative, I've heard that thrown around a couple of times now - but every time someone asks for a source reference is made to some surveys with questionable methodology. The ultimate proof of course will be in the pudding of upcoming elections, but if you have some more academically rigorous sources for me in the meantime, I'd be happy to have a look.

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Posted 2 days ago Edited by SaveTheZombies, 2 days ago.

 

I can see only two realistic conclusions to his presidency: Either he serves out his full term and someone else is elected in 2020, which I still consider the most likely scenario by quite some margin, or whatever skeletons he is alleged to have in his closet make his position untenable and he pulls a Nixon and resigns. Can't say I see that happening anytime soon though.

 

 

I'm not going to accuse you of living in a bubble or anything but the most likely scenario is Trump will win in 2020. The incumbent almost always wins. People who hate Trump today will be desensitized to him by 2020. The media will fabricate countless polls lulling their own base into a false sense of security and the millions of people that make up Trump's base aren't turning on him. If all of that's surprising to you just wait until you find out that gen z is more conservative than gen y. 

 

People who hate Trump now will hopefully be desensitized to him by 2020 but those who are kind of indifferent to him now will be totally sick of him by 2020; imagine the Bill Clinton admin in fast forward.

I have noticed that gen z is more conservative but in a more literal sense (like Teddy Roosevelt) which is far more preferable to the current crypto fascism model of the right wing.


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Posted 2 days ago

 


 

If all of that's surprising to you just wait until you find out that gen z is more conservative than gen y. 

 

Yeah, but that's only because conservatism is for literal children.

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I can see only two realistic conclusions to his presidency: Either he serves out his full term and someone else is elected in 2020, which I still consider the most likely scenario by quite some margin, or whatever skeletons he is alleged to have in his closet make his position untenable and he pulls a Nixon and resigns. Can't say I see that happening anytime soon though.

 

wait until you find out that gen z is more conservative than gen y. 

I wouldn't be so sure about that one. As Raavi said, the only studies that have showed such a trend are known for using questionable methodology. I have the benefit of seeing what my generation is like on a day-to-day level that - until we all become voting age - no study is going to replicate in concrete evidence. It's anecdotal, sure, but politics is something my school doesn't shy away from discussing and the voices that arise are all fairly liberal. I think you'd be surprised at just how in touch with the political sphere my age group is today. We're tuned in constantly, even up here in Canada everyone has an opinion on what's going on in the US because it's no longer seen as a taboo subject to discuss with each other and adults. 

 

For an anecdote, I have a group of six or so friends that I hang out with on a daily basis at school. Of them, two are enrolled in the army cadets. I think it's fair to say that those participating in military youth programs are going to lean more conservative - one of them has American parents, is gung-ho Second Amendment, and proudly supports Trump. The other is Canadian, has a military father, but absolutely despises Trump (which he doesn't admit when around other cadets). We all - including the other four who don't like Trump either - discuss politics often. It's easy to toss aside our opinions as not being fully formed yet at our age, but if we're going to discuss Gen Z's political leanings then you have to give us the benefit of the doubt that we're fully informed on the issues. We don't trust the media. We don't trust the government. I think we're going to grow up even more so than Millennials being able to aggregate information and come to our own conclusions because we are the first generation to really truly grow up with the internet at our fingertips, which means we are fully exposed to the previous generations' weaknesses. Other than the cadets, the rest of us were willing to give Trump a chance. Out of all of us I disliked him the most from the beginning, but I was still hoping he'd turn out for the better. Actual political discussions has now devolved to laughing about his newest gaffe or his base's response to it, because there's nothing else to do at this point. It's hysterical. 

 

Now, for the not-so-anecdotal. In the last year of high school in Quebec our history course is replaced with one about the contemporary world. At my school there is only one teacher teaching exactly 260 kids in rotation, and at the beginning of each year he likes to get an idea of the class' political leanings to compare how they change over time. We filled out a questionnaire as well as doing one online (it's actually the same one posted here), and later got the results. It's obviously not a foolproof method of evaluation, but it's something. I was going to share the results here back when we first got them, but I think they're even more relevant to this discussion.

 

- When offered the choice between generally identifying as liberal or conservative, 192 (74%) chose liberal and 68 (26%) chose conservative.

    - If liberal, he asked if we identified as leftist, socialist, or communist. It broke down as 97 (51%), 51 (27%), 44 (23%) respectively.

    - He didn't ask how we broke down conservatism lol

- When asked if we supported Justin Trudeau, 149 (57%) said yes and 111 (42%) said no.

- When asked if we supported Trump, 36 (14%) said yes and 224 (86%) said no.

- When asked if we were socially liberal or conservative, 209 (80%) said liberal and 51 (20%) said conservative.

- When asked if we were economically liberal or conservative, 101 (39%) said liberal and 159 (61%) said conservative.

 

From that he said he thinks we'll end up being social liberals and fiscal conservatives. Simple as that. I think quite a few of us were effected by the Great Recession and saw how our parents lost our jobs, some of us lost our houses, and having history to look back on we might closer identify with a fiscally conservative government. Not too many of us have a problem with LGBT rights etc. 

 

- From the compass test he boiled the results down to 216 (83%) ending up on the left side of the spectrum and 44 (17%) on the right. So apparently we like to misidentify ourselves.

    - Of the leftists, 170 (79%) lean libertarian with the rest, 46 (21%) authoritarian.

    - Of the rightists, 27 (61%) lean libertarian and 17 (39%) authoritarian.

 

There was more, but that's the gist of it. With this in mind I have a feeling that a good chunk of Gen Z Americans will end up voting libertarian if my school is any indicator. Anyway, I got off track here, but I thought this would be interesting to share.


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Posted A day ago Edited by The Yokel, A day ago.

Remember that right-wing conspiracy theory about the DNC and sex slaves or the like? Turns out, what some Republicans actually do isn't that far from that. No conspiracy necessary, the guy even pleaded guilty on child sex trafficking count. In exchange, the prosecution dropped three child pornography counts: http://newsok.com/sh...article/5572707

 

But hey, did you see how Al Franken pretended to grope a woman in that one photo? Disgusting!


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Posted A day ago

https://www.npr.org/...in-south-dakota

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Posted 15 hours ago

I'm rather curious what the U.S policy towards Zimbabwe is going to be since the coup to remove Mugabe from power.





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