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#1

Posted 19 April 2016 - 12:28 AM

Would anyone mind the next protagonist being a racist? Just curious.


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:28 AM Edited by Midnight Hitman, 19 April 2016 - 02:29 AM.

F*ck no, i know criminals are not a nice kind, but a protag throwing racial slurs and treating people according to his religion/color skin would make him a iredemable c*nt to me, just not something i can condone or enjoy, even in a videogame.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:54 AM

Well, I am all for it if it's well written.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:56 AM

We all know Rockstar would never do this.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:57 AM

Well, I am all for it if it's well written.

Yeah.

If he/she's just an asshole that throws racial slurs, or is just disgustingly racist, it will be hard to relate, or even care about him/her.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 03:17 AM Edited by Lethal-lock, 19 April 2016 - 03:19 AM.

I don't like the idea of characters being hamstrung by political correctness but making a characters key identifier racism would be ridiculous, it would attract as much bad publicity as a mission to go and rape as many prostitutes as you can in 10 mins. 

 

We need to be able to relate to the character we're playing, the idea itself and this thread are both in poor taste i think. 

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 03:21 AM

I can't imagine how a racist protagonist would be beneficial in any way. 

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 03:41 AM

A racist protag might be an asshole, but atleast you would know from the start that he/she wants to be your asshole.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 03:57 AM

welp we can expect more of these pointless threads. Not surprised gta next gets so little attention

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 04:51 AM Edited by Fallcreek, 20 April 2016 - 01:50 AM.

American History X was kind of like that, but he did a turn around in the end. It could work, given if the writing's good.

 

(It's kind of a generic answer, but that's how it usually goes. If the writing's good, it'll probably work.)

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 05:00 AM

I am not really excited for that idea, I strongly disagree with racism so playing an charachter that would scream racist crap at people wouldn't be good for my Grand Theft Auto experience.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 05:02 AM

As stated countless times before, I'm not all in for the idea. I'm sorry but having a racist protagonist would just break my enjoyment of the Grand Theft Auto series. Not to mention the all the contrevorsy this would cause if such a Grand Theft Auto game were to actually release.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 05:51 AM

A racist protag might be an asshole, but atleast you would know from the start that he/she wants to be your asshole.

 

Jock Cranley for protagonist? ;)


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 06:01 AM

Just do what Trevor did again. It always cracks me up when he makes fun of the British and Chinese characters by talking like them. 

 

 

Racist seems like a trait an Antagonist would have, not a Protagonist. 


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 06:17 AM

Why would u ever want a racist character
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 06:32 AM Edited by - Ballistics -, 19 April 2016 - 06:39 AM.

I don't mind a female protagonist or even a homosexual protag, but I will not like a racist protag who marginalises the typical races and social groups who get bullied way too much, such as African-Americans, Hispanics and even some Caucasian people.

Plus, if it is set in the present era, being racist will make no sense considering that most of the country and all HEDC (Highly Economically Developed Countries) aren't dominated by racists like they were before.

GTFO with that idea.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 07:52 AM

Being racist will make no sense considering that most of the country and all HEDC (Highly Economically Developed Countries) aren't dominated by racists like they were before.

Yeah, or we're getting some white trailer trash as protagonist, which I would not look forward to.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 09:36 AM Edited by Mister Pink, 19 April 2016 - 09:45 AM.

If the racism isn't just for shock value and it's an pertinent value of the character and story, then why not? I've watched films with racists in it, doesn't make the writers racist, doesn't promote racism as most people with half a brain-cell can figure out the context. 

 

If you are going to make fiction and tell a story, I think this should be OK. It's Art, not propaganda. 

 

Having said that, it might be harder to relate to character but maybe not!? Maybe we can see a real insight as to why the character is racist and possibly empathize with him. We might even get an "Ah..." moment when it comes clear why he is racist. 

 

But I doubt Rockstar will start developing a character that starts with him being racist. It will depend on him where he was born, what his parents and peers were like, his education etc then the story and during the story and writing process it may make sense that he or she is racist. Will it mean the character is going to be shouting racial slurs every 5 minutes? Probably not. Might it be subtly suggested he has a racist leanings, yes, possibly. It could even be suggested by a non-playable character in a cut-scene but we may not witness our protag actually take part in any racist incidents. There maybe a suggestion he's racist by what we find on the protags computer etc. 

 

There are many subtle ways of suggesting the character is racist without forcing the player to take part or push the character that way. 

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 09:40 AM

"It's fine as long as he kills all people equally" the thread

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:09 AM

I think it would be a terrible idea. It's needlessly offensive and there are much better traits to apply to a character if you want to provide depth and intrigue. There's only negative consequences from going down this path, so it would be wise to avoid an idea like this all together. It's a very asinine suggestion.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:14 AM

Protag, Antag, I dont think racism works in any part of the game. It may feel sweet to kill an Antagonist if they are racist, and you are a member of an opposing race. But either way, the game will cop flack for featuring the touchy subject in the game.


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:15 AM

I think it would be a terrible idea. It's needlessly offensive and there are much better traits to apply to a character if you want to provide depth and intrigue. There's only negative consequences from going down this path, so it would be wise to avoid an idea like this all together. It's a very asinine suggestion.

 

Can you tell me more on how it's offensive when there's nothing created yet? Offence is taken and not given. I don't think you really thought it through yet on how it could work. Do you think American History X should not have been made because the protagonist is racist? Why can our protag be a murderer and but it's wrong if he's racist? I'd just like to know why the double standards?

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:24 AM Edited by ikaR3CON, 19 April 2016 - 10:25 AM.

I think it would be a terrible idea. It's needlessly offensive and there are much better traits to apply to a character if you want to provide depth and intrigue. There's only negative consequences from going down this path, so it would be wise to avoid an idea like this all together. It's a very asinine suggestion.

 
Can you tell me more on how it's offensive when there's nothing created yet? Offence is taken and not given. I don't think you really thought it through yet on how it could work. Do you think American History X should not have been made because the protagonist is racist? Why can our protag be a murderer and but it's wrong if he's racist? I'd just like to know why the double standards?
Sigh. Racism in and of itself is offensive. If you or I are within the racial group that isn't being targeted than horray for us. But if that's not the case then obviously we would be offended.

It's not about how a racist protagonist can be portrayed in media. It's that Grand Theft Auto doesn't need to travel down this road in the first place. So I vote to avoid it if possible.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:28 AM Edited by Mister Pink, 19 April 2016 - 10:33 AM.

A depiction of racism is not necessarily "offensive." If it's a character study of discussion of racism in university, does that make it offensive? It's all about context. 

 

As mentioned above, if it's pertinent to the character and story isn't it relevant, instead of burying your head in the sand?

 

Doesn't it all depend on the context? Of course it's how a racist can be portrayed in the media. Why isn't it? If he's racist against my race do you think I should be automatically offended? This art and fiction. What if it's an intriguing story and I get see some real insight in to the human condition, where I can understand the racism?

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:33 AM

...Maybe we can see a real insight as to why the character is racist and possibly empathize with him. We might even get an "Ah..." moment when it comes clear why he is racist...

He grew up in a racist enviroment and he absorbed that crap since kid, he lives his adult being casually racist when one day all of his beliefs get shaken when he befriends an opposing race member and he outgrows his hatred, he lives happily ever after commiting petty crimes for the rest of his life, boom!

There you go, no need to go American History X, this is not the game to tell this kind of story.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:35 AM Edited by ikaR3CON, 19 April 2016 - 10:35 AM.

@MisterPink You have your opinion. I have mine.

There are millions of stories to tell. There are so many potentential intricacies to the plot and character arcs that can be implemented. I do not share the need or desire for racism to be a factor in the next one.

I'm not going to repeat myself, so you'll just have to accept that.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:50 AM

@Midnight Hitman: I never said we need a American History X story in GTA. I used it as a point that just because there's in issue in reality it doesn't mean that we it can't be tackled in a sensible and/or "tasteful" way. Like I said, it can be implied our protag is racist, in a subtle way, it doesn't have to be the main focal point or driving force behind the character or his motives. However, it's often used in film where a poster on the wall or a book on the shelf can suggest something that's character building. And thanks for assuming the story in such a cliched way and concluding it for me in such a condescending way. 

 

@Ika: There are millions of stories to tell, just don't tackle any issues that will offend you, not matter what their context. Heck, why even play as John Marston or any GTA character. They're all murderers and thiefs and that offends me. ;)

 

I wont try convince anyone any more to keep an open mind in story telling. 


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 11:21 AM Edited by Midnight Hitman, 19 April 2016 - 11:26 AM.

@Ika: There are millions of stories to tell, just don't tackle any issues that will offend you, not matter what their context. Heck, why even play as John Marston or any GTA character. They're all murderers and thiefs and that offends me. ;)

Violence is a central part of the criminal lifestyle and the game, meanwhile being racist is just a disgusting trait in hateful people, one that could be (and was) easily avoided in gta story.
I know violence gets trivialized in media but rape, racism and other stuff don't, there's some double standard but who cares?
Also, if we got a racist character, it would ostracize the fanbase, sure it would probably get comeuppance at some point, but for many people (including myself) wouldn't be enjoyable to play as a racist, in fact, it would be detrimental to the character, protagonists need to have reedeming qualities in order to be likeable, if not, you are not gonna enjoy the game and that's just about the worst thing it can happen.
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Posted 19 April 2016 - 11:56 AM

If people are going to wet their knickers over a character being referred to as bisexual without any actual display of said bisexuality, I should think this would be too much for them. 


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 12:06 PM

I wouldn't mind playing as a racist...but race is still a line Rockstar's afraid to cross. In GTA we can shoot women right in the face, hack people up with machetes and chainsaws, rob people, engage in pornographic embraces with prostitutes, but race is somehow not okay? Trevor Phillips will forever be worse than someone who doesn't like someone else because of race and/or culture...and to be honest, due to his other undesirable qualities, it would of made sense for him to be a racist too. It'd be neat to play a story similar to American History X where our racist tries to reform himself after some life altering event. Open your minds a bit. 

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